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According to the wiki, a Weak Doctor dies if he protects scum. Thus, there is a minimum of two killing elements present...
Anyway,Vote: forbiddanlight. I believe that at this point the case against her is extremely clear.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Just in my experience, setups have about four times as many total players as Mafia (or anti-Town people in general), I think.Juls 36 wrote:How many mafia would we typically have in a game this size?
1 Mafia -> 4 Players (usually 5)
2 -> 8 (usually 9, like in newbie games)
3 -> 12 (typical Mini)
4 -> 16 (where we're at now)
5 -> 20 (19 is where we started)
I make no promises on whether this is actually relevant, but my guess is that there are a total of five bad people to take out - four now that one of the Goons is gone.
How do you know that the Docs don'tScheherazade 40 wrote:Mostly it was to point out to any doctors who may have defended one of the deceased that they might not be entirely sane. It doesn't require that they role-claim, just that they consider the possibility that they're insane before they go about protecting town.alreadyknow about their sanity (or whatever you call their variants)? And how would they know who the Townies are in the first place?
And for the life of me, I can't remember what your username is from OTH. Wasn't it the woman who came up with the 1001 Arabian Nights?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Speculating about the setup doesn't seem like it would be a worthwhile move right now simply from the lack of information. We can draw a few likely conclusions from Night 0, but grasping for possibilities without any evidence to substantiate one notion over the other is the definition of Junk Science.
@Juls: I don't think Scheherazade's comment means much. Normally the scum is the group doing the killing, after all - seeing one of the Bad Guys get killed out of the blue is unusual.
Welcome to Day 1. If you're "convinced" that someone is scum on Page 2 and you're not a Cop, there is something seriously wrong. Moreover, a vote is evidence that you're willing to step out and stake your reputation on someone being scum; that the votee is the person you'd like to see lynched most at the moment (generally synonymous with "most suspicious"). If you believe in what you're saying, take a stand and don't be afraid to be wrong.Juls 72 wrote:Also, I am not convinced that Sche is scum yet. I believe the point of FoS is that you think that something they said is suspicious but aren't completely convinced of their scumminess yet. Is that not correct?
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@TAX: Why "another" random vote? And why not place it on the person you find suspicious? Not that I mind a vote on me, but your motives are sketchy.
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I'm guessing that doesn't take long~Caboose 89 wrote:On the other forum where I play mafia, we usually don't have a random voting stage, but a "talk about the set-up" stage where we try to guess the setup until someone says something scummy and we go from there.
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*ka-ching*Juls 87 wrote:Clearly people don't like the use of FoS.
FoS is basically getting up on a high horse and sayingI formally accuse you of suspicious activity usingwhen that should already be apparent from your reason for your FoSing in the first place. In other words, it's overrated, pretentious, and only good for being parodied (i.e. Middle Finger of Suspicion).boldtext!
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Jazzmyn, welcome to the game. Is there anything you'd like to say about what's going on?
DoomCow, same. Any stance you want to take on the general mess going on right now?
TAX, you've still got a question to answer when you get back - this is a reminder.
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Caboose- Based on Post 81, who is scummiest (or most deserving of a vote, if they are not the same for some reason)?
Der Hammer-
Isn't this aDer Hammer 65 wrote:have I missed something or is their a reason why insane doctor has even been mentioned yet
Vote:Percynon sequitur?
ZazieR, you ARE in this game, right? If you are not watching this topic, then consider this a psychic poke to get you going
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I think he was mocking you calling him his SECOND suspect.strife 106 wrote:And now that you 'caught' me, I'm now your FOURTH suspect?
Anyway, why did you choose that username?
Juls, how do you pronounce your username? The way I'm doing it, I'm getting flashbacks of Wayside School.
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All right, let me clarify. Your motives are--TAX wrote:
I really don't find too many people too suspicious. I do see some that if they do something suspicious again, I will vote for them.@TAX: Why "another" random vote? And why not place it on the person you find suspicious? Not that I mind a vote on me, but your motives are sketchy.
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--THIS sketchy.
You don't find "too many" people too suspicious, so you put out another random vote - for what reason; how would that change anything? Meanwhile, you see "some" people you would vote "if they do something suspicious again". Telling us who they are would be nice.
It's okay to be unsure of how to proceed, as people will likely ask you questions if you say so. But it's never okay to put out a façade of activity.
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@Caboose: 81 is the new 89. Didn't you read that in the wiki?
"Based on your last post", in other words.
In light of this, who is then scummiest?Caboose 89 wrote:My point was just that the fact that you're newer to the site makes the argument of role fishing a little weaker to me, because you're exactly how I was when I came to this site (and I wasn't scum in my first game, either).
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@Juls: Ah, I was right. I hope I'm not the only person who knows who Mrs. Jewls is, though <.<;-
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Juls wins 13 Community Service Points. I tried to analyze the Scheherazade vs. Percy mudfest, and gave up somewhere around Page 4. Ultimately I don't think what Scheherazade was doing was necessarily scummy - not pro-Town, but on the condition that S stopped trying to make conspiracies from nothing when I brought it up, not scummy IMO. So unless someone can condense the walls of text accusing S of being worse than advertised into something MUCH more compact, frankly I don't think much of value would be lost in not bothering with them in the first place.
Scheherazade. I can't tell since there hasn't been a vote count in a while, but I don't think you're voting for anyone. Who are you suspicious of?
Der Hammer. Would you care to contribute to the game? It would be a great way to divert your wagon elsewhere - much better than what you've done so far.
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^^^Vi 107.5, Rabbit Radio~ wrote:Jazzmyn, welcome to the game. Is there anything you'd like to say about what's going on?
DoomCow, same. Any stance you want to take on the general mess going on right now?
TAX,you've still got a question to answer when you get back - this is a reminder.same. Any stance you want to take on the general mess going on right now?
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So... al4xz is being evasive by not answering questions that were not asked?Scheherazade 142 wrote:I understand that he wouldn't want to say "I vote Juls to put pressure on her" when he cast the vote. But why put pressure on Juls, of all people? He must have had a reason for choosing her. So I think he was being unnecessarily evasive.
In any event, since you've asked the question now and it has been answered, does that change anything?
While I see that ribwich has voted a few people so far, considering the timing of his early changes and the reasons associated with them I disagree that ribwich has been tossing his vote around. This is coming from someone who leisurely spams early on, though, so take it for what it's worth. However, I will ask this--
@ribwich: Why do you suspect Der Hammer more than Scheherazade?
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al4xz, aside from S and P, is there anyone you find scummy?
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I don't like doing this sometimes, but...
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Your stance? No, it's not logical.al4xz wrote:
I'm not sure how that's really logical...strife220 wrote:
Using the G-word at this point in the game makes me much more suspicious of al4xzal4xz wrote:
Yes and no. It depends on what other knowledge I have. If I know the possibility of a Mafia GF exists, I will not rule that out, despite the unlikelyhood of the situation. If I know there is possibly a GF, and Schez is cleared by a confirmed Cop, then I will trust Percy to a higher extent than that of right now.ribwich wrote:al4xz, I just want to make sure I understand your reasoning. Are you suspicious of Percy because you believe the distancing between him and Schez is artificial? If yes, does this mean you would no longer be suspicious of Percy if Schez was confirmed to be town?
I already told Scheherazade not to make wild guesses about the setup, and here you are creating your own conspiracy theoryright down to calling out Scheherazade as the zetta Godfather.
I think it should be pretty obvious that it is *possible* for there to be a Godfather in the setup if there are less-standard roles like Weak Doctor. Is there actually a Godfather? Iunno; how do you propose we find out?
So wrong on a couple of different levels.
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@Jazzmyn. 'Care to provide more than a high-level description of what we already know?
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@al4xz: You misunderstand. You called out S as the Godfather, which is basically impossible to prove (without a lynch on either a Godfather or Scheherazade) and hideously biased.
It was a rhetorical question - youGerrendus 167 wrote:Within the same post Vi brings up that she had previously warned someone away from rolefishing and the setup and then asks as to how al4xz proposes we find out if there is a godfather?can'tfind out if there's a Godfather until you lynch it. That's the point.
Not helping your standing IMO.al4xz 169 wrote:I think you basically made the case for me, so you can have some popcorn. *hands the bag over*-
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ROLEFISHING ROLEFISHING OMGOBVSCUMRAWRal4xz wrote:
No, I called S out as a possible GodfatherVi wrote:@al4xz: You misunderstand. You called out S as the Godfather, which is basically impossible to prove (without a lynch on either a Godfather or Scheherazade) and hideously biased.in that situation. In no way does it reflect this game so far unless we reach a point akin to that one. And even if one Godfather was lynched, there can always be two - one for each team...why the fuck am I saying this? YOu'll call it out as rolefishing again, even though it's only Mafia-related roles and a cop, which is a normal role anyhow.weeEEEEEEEEEOOOOOooooo
...kidding. Besides, "rolefishing" is someone else's buzzword; mine is "baseless hypotheticals" or something to that extent.
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...Let's try this again from the beginning, for clarity's sake. Could you fully answer the question, but in different words?ribwich 151 wrote:Are you suspicious of Percy because you believe the distancing between him and Schez is artificial? If yes, does this mean you would no longer be suspicious of Percy if Schez was confirmed to be town?-
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...probably. :vTAX 188 wrote:Vi, I do find in kinda scummy that al4xz is talking about the set up, but I think you might be over reacting a little to it.
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(Maybe if you made yourself something other than an easy lynch...)Der Hammer 189 wrote:It wouldnt surprise me to see the three town, and you mafia knowing that we are the targets for a quick easy lynch.
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I'll play along with strife--
Der Hammer: Is uselessness scummy? 'Not sure. Is policy lynching people who are quite unlikely to help the Town good on first days in huge games? Much more likely. I'll give him one post to give me a good reason not to vote him before it happens.
Scheherazade: Do I really have to read all that? I would much rather Scheherazade try attacking rather than defending. Voting would be a good start. I'm not thrilled with this as an excuse--
al4xz: I really don't see this going anywhere. The major reason I'm not unvoting is personal policy to keep votes on people D1 :vScheherazade 186 wrote:You can accuse me of giving responsibility for content to other people, but, as you can see, I'm having trouble communicating with this group as a whole.-
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Slayer's Gambit, one of my favorite devices. (Unfortunately, nobody seems to notice when I vote people who aren't playing...)
Unlike Juls, I think the answers sync well enough, but I take issue with this--
So it's scummy to vote for people who place scummy votes on you? IMO OMGUS is about as laughable as FoS as a catch-all.al4xz 196 wrote:I decide to join in but with a no reasoning vote so that I would appear scummy. In this way, if Juls was a scum, she might attempted to direct attention to me since I voted w/o reasoning behind it in that post.
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------Vi 193 wrote:Scheherazade: Do I really have to read all that? I would much rather Scheherazade try attacking rather than defending. Voting would be a good start. I'm not thrilled with this as an excuse--Scheherazade 186 wrote:You can accuse me of giving responsibility for content to other people, but, as you can see, I'm having trouble communicating with this group as a whole.
I know what Slayer's Gambit is meant to do. But you were just looking to get "a general reaction" out of Juls? That's... kind of weak :val4xz 199 wrote:I'll start with the first paragraph. No, that's not what I'm tyring to convey. I'm trying to get some kind of reaction so I can get a read out of it. Does it matter how I word it? Never mind, don't answer that, that's a dumass question. =.=
Actually, Vi, I was just looking for a general reaction to get a read.
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And how is your reasonably solid case or pressure voting coming? Playstyle or no, you shouldn't spend the entire game playing hedgehog.Scheherazade 210 wrote:I'm hesitating on placing a vote partly because that's my style, to wait until I have a reasonably solid case or until my vote will pressure a player into a defence,
Don't look now, but I don't think you're going to be cleared for a while. I think I just got done expressing my opinion of OMGUS, anyway.Scheherazade 210 wrote:and partly because most of the people who actively post here have voted for me. I wanted to wait until I was cleared so that any case I brought could avoid the automatic "OMGUS" shoot down.
Nyeh, not really. I want you to post more stuff that ISN'T related to the giant clusterfrick that you've been tangled up in. And to that end, my patience is waning quickly.Scheherazade 210 wrote:I thought the real point of her post was to encourage me to change my play style.-
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I admit I forgot the deadline too...
Call me a newb, but a claim specifically? If we get, say, a Doc claim at deadline, wouldn't that be a bad thingstrife 229 wrote:We need to force someone to claim before deadline hits so we can let that influence our decision.andcause a quicklynch of someone else?
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The primary method of catching scum without relying on a role-given ability is to analyze wagons and votes. D1 features a small sample size, so it's pretty unlikely that you can use vote analysis effectively. However, it would still be beneficial to lynch someone, because it provides a serious wagon to look at and criticize later. No Lynch, the equivalent of not knowing who to vote for, keeps someone alive longer but also keeps the Town in the dark for a D2 that will look very similar to D1. Why? Because there are still no wagons that actually went to completion; there is still nobody who can take responsibility for a lynch.
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Scheherazade. Don't post here again without a vote for someone and a half-decent reason to back it up. ZazieR has requested this, I've requested it a few times, strife has pointed it out, etc. I don't care about your playstyle; make a decision.
Percy. All of your posts today have been against Scheherazade exclusively. 'Care to change the subject for a post or two?
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Right. BTW, the exception to this is when it is known that a very significant number of the people alive have investigative roles (Dethy, for instance).al4xz 235 wrote:Alright, so now I see why you guys wish to lynch someone no matter what. We need the information, so at least SOMEONE has to die. Correct?
How you choose who you vote for - and everyoneshouldbe voting at deadline, if not throughout D1 - is up to you, but remember that you will assume responsibility for your decision no matter what.
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Awesome, a choice between useless and more useless. I don't have enough information on Der Hammer to be convinced he is scum, but at the rate he's going all he's going to do is drag us down. I am more willing to say that Scheherazade is Town and bad at arguing than to say that Der Hammer is a contributory Townie.
I'm still waiting for Scheherazade to actually vote, scumhunt, etc. like everyone wants him to, but the minimal amount he has done up to this point is enough to put him ahead of Der Hammer.
Unvote: al4xz(L-2)
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No, it hasn't been clear, because almost all of your posts have been defensive. Posts 15 and 21 are the only ones where you've actually acted on your own suspicions and asked questions. And you've only barely mentioned Der Hammer once before now, in passing.Scheherazade 266 wrote:@Vi: Why has my not casting a vote upset you?
I thought it's been pretty clear who I've suspected over the course of the game. I asked questions when I needed to. Some have been answered and some haven't. I think Jazzmyn's pretty scummy and I stand behind that. I've suspected Der Hammer's play, which seems wilfully unproductive. I suspected al4xz and ribwich, but al4xz's responses made me reconsider and my reread of ribwich changed my mind.
Why do you want me to go ahead and vote? To hurry the lynch? To give you something to read? What is it?
Your sarcastic questions at the end make me want to post SHUT UP in really large letters. I'll give you reasons. You think Jazzmyn's scummy? Really? I don't believe it, because you're notVOTINGto stake your bloodyREPUTATIONon it. Clearly you don'treallybelieve Jazzmyn is scummy or even the best choice IYO for a lynch, because you're not willing to put her one - single - stepout of 9to the noose.Take a stand in what you believe in,instead of wallflowering until it's convenient to vote.
Incidentally, Jazzmyn made a decent-sized post since you last expressed suspicion of her. 'Thoughts on it?
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Forgive me for hopping on a soapbox at a time like this, but the point of voting for someone is to declare that you want them lynched more than anyone else at the time. Votes cause lynches, simply put.
So with that in mind... al4xz, why is it so bad that Der Hammer was der-hammered?
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Posting before prod.
I will not be here tomorrow, but should have a reread done sometime on Sunday. As far as today goes, I would like for al4xz to post again before I begin discussing the end of the day.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Right...
First, the lurker list. I started by trying to remember what they had done in this game, and failing.
*Juls
*iamausername
*Caboose
*DoomCow
*TAX
So rereading their posts...
Juls: Until Der Hammer came up being himself at the end of the Day, Juls seemed to mostly coast by. Puta Puta, you're replacing Juls. Based on your first post in this game, I'm not interested in that continuing.
iamausername: You voted for Der Hammer early yesterday, but disappeared for a while. What's your opinion of the Der Hammer wagon?
Caboose: Why did it take you so long to vote Scheherazade yesterday?
**In fact, a general question toward everyone who was on the Scheherazade wagon - do you still find him suspicious?
DoomCow: You're barely skimming by activity-wise, and your content is disappointing at best. I'm looking forward to content in general.
TAX: You are not scumhunting. At all. Please rectify this situation immediately.
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About al4xz and Gerrendus...
al4xz, yesterday you said that if Scheherazade was confirmed Town, you would not be suspicious of Percy. Does it work the other way around, since Percy is gone?
I'm actually very interested in hearing your opinion on Scheherazade right now, considering your last three votes yesterday.
A quick opinion on Mafia theory, though--I wouldn't hold the pre-claim hammer against you personally. Claims are meant to be last-ditch defenses, not obligatory rights. Considering Der Hammer was in quite a bit of trouble before he was placed at exactly L-1, didn't seem interested in helping the Town, andhad already claimed Vanilla; I don't think it's an Unforgivable Sin that the claim didn't happen. Meanwhile, if Der Hammer claimed a non-VT role, would you believe him? Would it have been enough to stop your vote?
The only real loss IMO would have been from hitting a Cop before displaying N0 results, and once again I'd expect he'd have done that noticeably sooner under the circumstances. As far as Der Hammer's opinions went, I'll note that just because someone is confirmed Town doesn't mean they're right; to demonstrate the point I'll point to how Der Hammer suspected strife.
Gerrendus: And how is Scheherazade? You flipped to Der Hammer Der Hammer, but even then you noted that you thought Scheherazade was scummier. IMO, you should always pick the person you find scummier (if you can make the decision) over a policy lynch.
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Scheherazade: I'm --still-- waiting for you to place a vote. Yesterday, you were leaning against Jazzmyn; is this still accurate?
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So you were lurking...?iamausername 333 wrote:I might not have been posting a lot, but I was following closely enough to move my vote if I felt there was a need. Since I didn't move my vote, clearly I didn't have a problem with the wagon.
I think you "got" my question since you gave an okay answer to it, and you were asked it because you were in the list of people from a few posts ago - plus I don't have a read on you. It seemed odd that you voted Scheherazade in the midst of a prolonged dialogue, since I didn't clarify.Caboose 343 wrote:I don't get your question or why you're asking it. I usually like to see people's responses to my points on them before I vote them.
Better question: What's your opinion of the DH wagon?
There are still several leads out, and I'm still not sure which one to follow with a vote (thought al4xz is about to be the subject of a reread). Not helping things is the silence from Scheherazade's corner.
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...uh... How's it going? The lurking, I mean. ^^;iamausername 351 wrote:
Oh, most definitely.Vi wrote:
So you were lurking...?iamausername 333 wrote:I might not have been posting a lot, but I was following closely enough to move my vote if I felt there was a need. Since I didn't move my vote, clearly I didn't have a problem with the wagon.
(How am I supposed to respond to that!?)
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:janetweiss:Puta Puta 354 wrote:"O conspiracy!
Sham'st thou to show thy dangerous brow by night,
When evils are most free?"
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DoomCow: Waiting, etc.
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I'm not sure I like what you're doing here, between the dealing in generalities to the use of the mistake to paint yourself Town.al4xz 355 wrote:The scum always think about their vote before they make it so that they can't be pushed around about it. The townshouldalways think about their vote before they make it, but sometimes they don't think too closely enough.
(Actually, I'm quite sure I don't like what you're doing there.)
?al4xz 355 wrote:I'd like an answer to that question[why nobody started by voting for Scheherazade]as well, though I suspect I know the answer.
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The flip-unflip-reflip back and forth at the end of yesterday really bites IMO, especially considering Posts 228 and 271 seem to contradict. I'm still not pleased with the argument temporarily immortalized in ribwich's sig. The Slayer's Gambit and the ensuing griping made up a sizeable part of your activity yesterday, though to all appearances it wouldn't have had any effect on your opinions IYO. And unless I'm not seeing something (it's getting late), you haven't mentioned any suspicions for today either... Where's the scumhunting?
I have no idea what this quote means ;>.>al4xz 194 wrote:So, I guess all I can do is sit here and twiddle my thumbs and go, "OMGHDUNLYNCHMEIAMTOWN!" when someone tries to vote for me. =.=
I think my choice of action is clear, at least for now.Vote: al4xz(L-3)
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Posting before prod.
I just got back in, and with seven games to deal with I'll need a little time to reread things and make decisions.
Two quick answers before I go off to check all the other weekend walls I missed--
@iamausername: I'm cool with that. What are you doing with all the free time you have, since you're not spending it posting?
@al4xz: Er, :janetweiss: can be interpreted a bunch of different ways, at least one of which I hadn't thought of <.<
I was referring to the stupid look she gives Dr. Frank N. Furter as he says "I see you shiver with antici-------------"
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@Puta Puta: Seriously. Contribute.
@DoomCow: *continues watching*
HERE SPEECHING AMERICANZazieR 376 wrote:My English grammar better ?!
If I hadn't read about it earlier, I wouldn't have guessed English wasn't your primary language, tbqh.
I still like my vote. The nice-guy treatment is, well, nice, but it seems like you're admitting to what's going wrong. Meanwhile, you're still not scumhunting, which I learned the hard way is a solid scumtell (yes oh yes I like single-handedly losing games for Town by overlooking obvious things).
Having looked at Jazzmyn vs. Scheherazade (all the while lamenting that there is no Dramamine on hand), I will for the moment lean toward Scheherazade's side. However, I do not think either of them are the best lynch considering al4xz.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Nya, I'm horrible at GH/RB. I'm glad I can save face by playing a clarinet well ;>.>iamausername 384 wrote:
Been playing a lot of Guitar Hero lately. \m/Vi wrote:@iamausername: I'm cool with that. What are you doing with all the free time you have, since you're not spending it posting?
al4xz is at L-2. He should probably claim.
Also, what kind of emote is \m/?
I'm told that claims are supposed to be last-resortish defenses. Should al4xz claim when he's still just at L-2? (To answer the obvious following question, I'm fairly confident there will be no "accidental" "hammers" this time around~)
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oiciamausername 386 wrote:It's the devil-horns hand sign thing. The slashes are the index and pinky fingers, the m is the middle and ring fingers.
RAWK. \m/
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Hi Percy. *personality shift* Your logic is horrible.
First, and not just @you. Unless you happen to be psychic, NK analysis isalwaysWIFOM, and much more often than not nobody correctly guesses why people are killed (as revealed after the game). To that end, I think DoomCow, Gerrendus, and you are all fishing for reasons to hate Scheherazade.
Second. Simply put, it looks like your case on al4xz only exists to give you a springboard to hate Scheherazade more.
Aside from the voteflipping at the end of D1, I don't immediately remember anything like this. Elaborate.Percy 388 wrote:Overall, I think that al4xz is making a lot of 'mistakes' and 'bad plays' that seem to benefit the scum,and happen to protect Scheherazade at the same time.
Third.Percy 388 wrote:but the point is this - I don't think anyone could be so squeaky clean as to givePercyabsolutely no grounds to push harder. I feel like he's just randomly picked someone and is determined to findherhim guilty. Frankly, he's wasting our time with this over-examination, and no-one is convinced.Tu quoquemakes for easy justifying edits.
I'm not about to argue that Scheherazade is squeaky or anything, but it's pretty obvious that you have major confirmation bias. Or you can overturn that opinion by answering this - What can Scheherazade do to make himself look better IYO?
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Such as? Are you going to pressure them?Scheherazade 399 wrote:2. I don't want to end the day before the town has had a look at more players. I feel that some players have posted enough to give me a comfortable indication of their alignments either way.
This post (399) is pretty perceivable as diversion. Suddenly I'm a bit more interested in this Sche/al4xz pairing.
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Not scum-hunting - Perhaps. I would like to hear Jazzmyn talk about the other players a bit.I think Jazzmyn's scummy for not scum-hunting, voting on emotion, allowing someone she didn't suspect to be lynched, agreeing often with others but not adding much content, and avoiding questioning.
Voting on emotion - I hope you're not talking about that random vote on ribwich, because that's all that applies.
Allowing someone she didn't suspect to be lynched - 'Looks pretty false to me. Jazzmyn was voting for YOU D1, as were something like six other people. You could apply that argument to everyone not voting or voting for you.
Agreement without content - You could say something more along the lines of Jazzmyn only targeting people who are already being talked about. But I'll wait one more post before deciding here.
Avoiding questioning - Again, I'll wait one more post before deciding here.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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...I hope to all that is holy that you have a good reason for this and you're just toying with us. You've got one post.Puta Puta 404 wrote:It's time for an al4xz claim.Vote:al4xzEverything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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I would argue that Puta Puta is not right, but about something different.iamausername 413 wrote:Puta Puta is not wrong. It is time for an al4xz claim.
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I know I don't like question marks personally, but--
You missed what I was waiting for in the first place.Vi ### wrote:Not scum-hunting - Perhaps.I would like to hear Jazzmyn talk about the other players a bit.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Posting before prod. I've been falling behind in my games recently, sorry...
I've been trying to think of possible pro-Town motivations for what Puta Puta is doing. I can't think of any. I'm trying to see how al4xz could be scummier than Puta Puta at this point. About the only thing I can think of is that al4xz played like he knew what he was doing, whereas P. P. seems to be acting scummily for the sake of it - if that can even be a point against al4xz. Now I'm trying to see how Der Hammer could have been scummier than Puta Puta at this point. Der Hammer was incompetent, true, but he was at least trying to help. Last, I think I see a dynamic between al4xz and Juls in the Slayer's Gambit incident earlier on.
Thus I'm not really sure why Puta Putashouldn'tbe lynched, frankly.
Unvote: al4xz(L-3)
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In light of the deadline (this Saturday), is this still your opinion?Scheherazade 424 wrote:Yup, it is a diversion. I don't like the town swinging from lynch to lynch as if they're monkey bars. I'd prefer to sort everybody out a bit before we charge towards another lynch. If that means admitting that I don't want to see someone scummy lynched before TAX (now Percy), DoomCow, iamausername and PutaPuta post more and are scrutinized, then I'll say it.
Post 179, correct?Scheherazade 424 wrote:No, her vote post on day one says "I don't like his attitude" not "I think he's scummy for X, Y and Z." In fact, the original infraction considered scummy by others on the wagon she said didn't look particularly scummy to her.
That vote was *influenced* by emotion, but I think it would be incorrect to say that's entirely why you were voted.
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Apologies for not being here enough. I've signed up for too many games, and I'm falling behind in most/all of them.
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Um, I mentioned him up until my al4xz vote, lumping him with DoomCow as someone who very much needed to show up and put their stance on the table (141). But considering that my vote on TAX was for pressure but only mild suspicion, I didn't give it much weight. I tried to pursue him, but the conversation that followed felt pointless and I dropped it.armlx 478 wrote:Vi's abandoning of mention of TAX after the vote is noted. Especially given the extent of asking about other players.
Talking of DoomCow, where IS he, anyway?
Yes, I was late on the Der Hammer wagon. I didn't realize the deadline was looming, and made a decision on which wagon to endorse the same RL day someone mentioned it.armlx 478 wrote:Vi makes a comment about standing up for points on page 11. Ironic. Then late on the DH wagon too.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean about the "ironic" comment.
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I am not a Mason with Puta Puta. Nor am I really willing to believe the Mason claim in the first place given--
Incidentally, I believe Puta Puta is or will shortly be lynched by deadline rules (at least half the required number of people is voting for him).Puta Puta 459 wrote:lol i'm warning you all you don't want me dead.
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The body count in this game is massive o.0 Sorry for being slow to return; two other games have me... involved, so to speak.
I think between the Puta Puta scumflip and the three Townflips, everyone got proven wrong about someone. The question of the day is thus who got foiled more than embarrassed...
I'll play PbPA.
Vi~ Miaow~
iamausername~ If it hasn't yet been made obvious, you are ringing up as Weird to me just as far as your gameplay has gone. You jumped on Der Hammer early and faded out, went for al4xz early on and then made a late jump onto Puta Puta (how about I shorten that to Gimbo from now on) after initially agreeing with him and trying to continue with the al4xz lynch. That last part is what solidifies my suspicion. I like your contribution today though.
Tom Mason~ Did not vote for either Scheherazade or Der Hammer D1 because he was catching up, which is a positive point IMO. Pushes forward with al4xz for agreeable reasons. The jump to Gimbo was somewhat on the resigned side, but I don't think I could label it scummy. Erratically signs his name to some of his posts, but not all of them (obvscumtell).
DoomCow~ I'm torn between calling you useless or anti-Town... or both. I notice you were on the two big wagons very late, and while I would be more understanding if you said you were not around for the Gimbo fiasco you've already said that you were there, but didn't want to hammer (or more plainly, you were lurking). I have a meta on you (ongoing game), but it's not helping much. I don't see the hindsight on Juls as incredibly enlightening, personally.
Jazzmyn~ As far as factuality goes, I think Scheherazade was a bit on the losing end in arguing with you. As far as attitude goes, I think otherwise. You did not wish to vote Gimbo for his meta in another game, it seems... which is almost a null-tell, except--
THIS needs explaining.Jazzmyn 452 wrote:I realize that it might just be his way of trying to establish a mechanism for avoiding being lynchedwhen he, of course, but for what it's worth, there it is.[Puta Puta]is scum in other games
Another quote that jumps out at me--
There's a glaringly obvious problem with this statement. If you need a hint, look at posts 179 and 183.Jazzmyn 437 wrote:If I were scum, I would have voted for DerHammer somewhere around the middle of the pack and been quite happy with a town lynch, any town lynch.
ribwich~ Is immediately barred from suspicion because he hasmein his sig~
But seriously. At least as of now, I don't think I have anything either way on you. Leaning townside because you seemed rather reasonable about al4xz.
Gerrendus~ I think you already have some idea of what I've to say here. You hammered Der Hammer as a policy lynch while constantly saying you believed Scheherazade was scum. You voted Scheherazade 429 on grounds of not being succinct (?!), and in 434 seem to insinuate that the thrust of your argument is the succinctness point (!?!); while in that same post hitting Scheherazade about diverting from the lynch of someone he implies deserves a lynch. This in itself is odd, because you said that you couldn't find where Scheherazade expressed suspicion of al4xz "in the mountains of posts", but we had to ask you where you ever mentioned al4xz; and reading them you don't express any strong suspicion of him at all. And at the end, you seem to argue against (or at least excuse) the Gimbo lynch. Yep, #1 suspect.
Caboose~ As I've mentioned before, the timing of your Scheherazade vote strikes me - it seems to come after a weak point. Other than that, the only thing that strikes me is that you don't seem to have said as much as the other players (barring teh cow of doom).
ZazieR~ Another player where the lengths of time between posts bother me. On the surface, though, I don't see a lot to comment on. I'm willing to believe that you have a meta on Gimbo, but trying to call himconfirmedmakes me wonder.
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I see Gerrendus is quickly gaining a wagon, of which I approve right now. But I'd like to hear him respond to me before I decide whether to join it.
Everyone who has not laid out suspect(s) for today yet should, frankly. Still to go: DoomCow, Cabüse, ribwich, Jazzmyn, Gerrendus (sorta), and ZazieR.
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Do you... even care why people vote for others?Gerrendus 492 wrote:I didn't address Puta Puta's L-1 Vote (Here I mean his placing al4xz at L-1) because it didn't seem necessary. Everyone was aware that al4xz was at L-1, and no one was willing to vote for him until we could hear from him.
I see your defense of this later, but I don't buy it. Only paying attention to large wagons seems like a scum mindset.
I thought you said that Gimbo could have been a sympathetic? Doesn't that counter the Mason claim? See also DoomCow's question.Gerrendus 492 wrote:I made the statement merely that we had needed to be careful. Although I doubted it, I was willing to give his mason claim the benefit of the doubt and not hammer until his alleged mason partner had time to claim as such. Had I pushed further for a lynch (which at the point he was: L-1, all I could do was vote and then hammer) I would have been denying that benefit of the doubt.
It's absolutely WIFOM. Do you have any other suspects?Gerrendus 492 wrote:Jazz was on the defensive from sche all yesterday, and had pushed for his death the previous two days. Granted I also did but she was his main target. It's possible she felt threatened, though as has been previously stated analysis based on night actions quickly and easily falls into the realm of WIFOM.
In the immortal words of JDodge--WIMPGerrendus 501 wrote:it seemed more likely that Puta was a symp than a full partner, still a necesary lynch but an observation to be made. I also wasn't about to make the same mistake and be hammered for being the person to hammer twice in a row, I had checked vote counts etc this time in reaction to my mistake the previous day.
You just said that Gimbo was a necessary lynch. Your reason for not hammering sounds like self-preservation; I at least would have been much more understanding if you had clarified that you were NOT accidentally hammering and thought you had hit scum/a necessary lynch this time (both of these would be improvements over D1).
Why? Masons aren't that big a deal tbqh, and if it were true the other Mason would have had good reason to claim ASAP - if they were even confirmed at all. If they weren't confirmed, then the claim is essentially worthless.DoomCow 491 wrote:As for me not voting Puta Puta, by the time I read her posts, she was already at L-1.I wasn't willing to hammer after the claim.
You should probably be glad for it; a bunch of my games have wound up being modless train wrecks. (Praise be to Incog-Co-Mod!)iamausername 490 wrote:Why aren't you in more of my games, Vi?
But hay, after this game we can IC together or something.
Again, NK WIFOM. I wouldn't accept this as an argument against Gerrendus.Tom Mason 495 wrote:And after Night Two, coincidentally two people he put in his targets were eliminated.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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You don't use a signature (that is, a text block like what we have here) with your e-mails? It just seems easier.Tom Mason 506 wrote:
Heh. Can you tell I write e-mails and memos all day long at work?Vi wrote:Tom Mason~ Erratically signs his name to some of his posts, but not all of them (obvscumtell).
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Oh, I can only imagine the hate mail that must come in~Tom Mason 508 wrote:I work for a university on-campus student housing department.
*has never been very friendly with Housing/Residence Life*
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:viamausername 511 wrote:I'm confused as to what you find so problematic in this quote, Vi.
The reference to other games looks like a slip saying either:Jazzmyn 452 wrote:I realize that it might just be his way of trying to establish a mechanism for avoiding being lynchedwhen he [Puta Puta] is scum in other games, of course, but for what it's worth, there it is.
*It doesn't apply to this game (paraphrase: for it to work when Gimbo is scum, he has to do it in games when he's Townie like this one)
*It does apply to this game, but obviously isn't working as a defense job this time.
Either way, it seems to hint at foreknowledge of Puta Puta's alignment. Jazzmyn has some explaining to do when she gets back.
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Two Newbies and a Mini Normal; I guess if any games are going to crash it would be those. @mod: Is this accurate?iamausername 511 wrote:The Mafia gods are punishing you joining the wrong games (the right games are the games that I am in. Obviously.) I just looked at your records, and I am astonished by how many abandoned games you've managed to be in, I really didn't think they were very common at all on this site.
iamausername 511 wrote:Hell yes. Let's teach some noobs to throw their vote around with reckless abandon and never, ever FoS.
Should we request a mod?
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Caboose 512 wrote:Hmmm... Seems like I have a few postzillas to read.Up from the depths/Thirty stories high
Breathing fire/Its head in the sky
Postzilla!
Postzilla!
Postzilla!
And Postzoooookiiiiiiiiie!
IMO you're one of the dark horses in this game (with ZazieR), so I'm looking forward to seeing your stances.
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Have some context.Caboose 516 wrote:Oh, and one more thing.
Vi, I think your avatar is the strangest thing I've ever seen.
:v is an all-purpose emote.Caboose 515 wrote:What's this mean?
It means what you think it means.
This is my first Large game, and certainly the first one where multiple people die each night. I was surprised to see that we were down to less than half our original cast on D3 after starting with 19 people.Caboose 515 wrote:And the point of this sentence was...
Terrible grammar? It's not that bad. Also, it's against my interpretation of Buddhism for me to be able to grant you Nirvana.Caboose 515 wrote:Besides the terrible grammar , this sentence doesn't really have an obvious point to me, either. Please enlighten me, Vi.
However, here's an explanation. Each of the people who died flipped something counter to what at least one of the living players expected (barring Percy II, who had armlx going against him for what it's worth). Thus, if there's any time to snag scum red-handed, it's now.
'Still waiting for the rest of what you have to say, although I hope it's more substantial than what I answered here.
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Apparently I do, since you still haven't given your suspicions outside of a narrow look at iamausername.Caboose 520 wrote:You don't have to browbeat me, Vi.
Given the large number of kills and the high numbers of vanillas/Milleresques that have flipped, it would be better to wait until tomorrow. Outing power roles now would be similar to sending the scum a hit list with a love note.iamausername 521 wrote:I'm thinking about the numbers (6:2:1 definitely seems most likely) and wondering if today is the day for massclaim. If it's not, I think tomorrow certainly will be. What does everyone else think?
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Stalling at the deadline -is- effectively arguing against the lynch. Further... how would you know he was innocent? As I said, Masons are not worth very much and can't really be confirmed until a partner shows up... and one dies. Unless there's something I'm missing; I've never played with confirmed Masons before but that's how I see the logic.Gerrendus 522 wrote:Please, show me where I argued against the PP lynch, as I have previously stated I was willing to allow time for the possibility of him turning up innocent.
Doubtful. Understand that the obvious question wasGerrendus 522 wrote:Had PP turned up innocent and as a Mason I would undoubtedly be facing the same charge for "hammering without allowing them to comment" as I have been facing for my screw up on day one.why Gimbo wouldn't tell who his partner was. That's information he COULD have given, but chose not to. Moreover, even if he did turn up Mason, that would mean there would be someone who could claim to be his Mason partner the next day, and thus confirmed... or counterclaimed. No, there was good reason to hammer.
I notice the stuff about voting Scheherazade has gone unanswered.~
All right, I can see where you said an abridged version of this. Unfortunately, without seeing the full version I could not have gotten what you just said from (paraphrasing 398) "btw al4xz is at L-2, he should talk now".Gerrendus 522 wrote:I was not overly suspcious of al4xz as I have said before. However, he had gained enough support to be at L-1, (all but 1 well reasoned votes), and so I was prepared to admit that I had overlooked something and I wanted to hear from him.
Then either your playstyle is naff or your alignment is. You can look at people who are attracting attention and ask them questions OTHER than those that have already been asked. Saying that you only feel the need to comment on larger wagons sounds like a good way to cap lynches while not actually dealing much with them until it's convenient (as you can bicker with Scheherazade in the meantime).Gerrendus 522 wrote:Yes I do care why people vote for others. I consider the arguments made by everyone, rather than simply parroting the questions others have already parroted (honestly by now I feel like I'm answering the same questions 5 times). I am aware of the smaller wagons but I only feel the need to comment on the larger wagons.
And I've already noted why the outcome should have been the same.Gerrendus 522 wrote:I said it was a possibility, by no means concrete, and read my earlier defense (within this post) regarding the mason claim.
"DoomCow's question" was the one that I asked DoomCow in the post you quoted from me; sorry for not being clear.
>_>Gerrendus 522 wrote:I will need to do a reread when I have time, as it is most of my time has been consumed by defending myself from the same accusation put forth in a number of different ways.
There might be a more efficient way to answer similar questions than answering each iteration of them. As it is,anything(OTH reads and such) is better than nothing.
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That looks like it makes sense. 'Coulda been worded better, but it's not as bad as it first seemed.Jazzmyn 527 wrote:I was saying that although I knew him to be a grossly anti-town townie in that game, I could see the possibility that he played that way in that game in order to set himself up for a pass in other games in which he is scum (that is, in games other than the one in which he was a grossly anti-town townie who self-hammered)
'Not sure how this changes anything.Jazzmyn 527 wrote:But, it ignores the most important point, which is that if I was scum, I would have been happy with any town lynch at all,
Jazzmyn 527 wrote:and it ignores the glaringly obvious point that, if I was scum, I would most certainly not have pointed out where I would vote on any given bandwagon, especially if I had, in fact, voted for someone in roughly the same area of a given bandwagon.OrWOULDyou?
It's quite plausible for you to have said it without anyone (yourself included) remembering or checking when you voted, and saying it's something you wouldn't have done it as scum is just casting WIFOM on it.
I'm going to have to debate the truth of this statement *shot repeatedly*Jazzmyn 527 wrote:I was born at night, yes, but it wasn'tlastnight.
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Where is ZazieR? Where is... everyone, actually? If OGML is still up to his two-week deadlines, we've only got five-ish days left.
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OhGodMyMorning. I'm a little disappointed with how I did on one part, but at least I don't have to take the GREs again.
I'm neither wild nor crazy about setup theory, but there's a difference between "high chance of scum hitting power roles" and "100% chance of scum hitting power roles". I guess I can understand your point of view though, at least with info roles, but I still don't like the idea of a massclaim in light of the killing-spree nights we're having.iamausername 532 wrote:OTH, with the large number of VTs/GDs down, there's a high chance of scum hitting power roles tonight even without them having claimed, since for balance reasons, there's got to be a high ratio of power to non-power amongst the remaining townies (Or less scum than I thought, I guess). And if they're going to die anyway, it would be better if they shared any info they've got before doing so.
The lack of talk (and votes) ITT is really getting depressing...Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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And what of iamausername? You mentioned him more than DoomCow in your post
I find this thread's lack of ZazieR disturbing. Not to mention up to half of the other players.
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...Sadly, looking through Puta Puta's posts outside this game I think we actually came out ahead with him replacing late, posting seldom and dying quickly - especially as Mafia. So I agree with the above post that an excuse could be made for people who knew his meta.
With that said, I'm not sure if it changes the circumstances of pressing the al4xz lynch at that time, considering I knowIwouldn't place a serious hammer vote on someone after that kind of L-1 vote.
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*I dislike DoomCow's jump on the wagon; placing someone at L-1 with incomplete information and promising to reread at/after the stated deadline are two red flags I really hate to see.
*Gerrendus likely will not claim for a while given that he said he's out of town.
*ZazieR needs to exist ITT, thus I advocate the deadline extension.
Caboose 535 wrote:As bad as this looks on Gerrendus, DoomCow wasn't there at all, unless I missed a post of his in there (and since I have a sinus headache right now, that's a possibility), which makes him just as, or maybe even more suspicious than Gerrendus (unless DC was V/LA at the time, which could be true).
Not V/LA; lurking.DoomCow 491 wrote:As for me not voting Puta Puta, by the time I read her posts, she was already at L-1. I wasn't willing to hammer after the claim.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Tom Mason brings up a decent analogy, especially since I have a meta on DoomCow suggesting that this is par for the course.
I think there are valid reasons for lynching Gerrendus AND DoomCow, tbqh. 276 forces me to question Gerrendus's motives considering he hammers the utility lynch Der Hammer immediately afterward (why lynch someone else who's equally useless but not as scummy IYO as the person you're looking at?). In addition, Post 45 seems like a petty attempt to push suspicion onto Scheherazade at the very beginning.
Something else I re-found--DoomCow 377 wrote:Scheherezade: I voted him yesterday, and the reread made me happy with that. Especially now that Percy died tonight, who had some strong posts against him (97 and 132 especially)
NK WIFOM is bad, but Gerrendus is using Scheherazade's reputation as a poor debater to try pushing it as worth considering!Gerrendus 387 wrote:Now see, this is something that I feel should bear more discussion. By itself it is not much as most smart mafia do not aim for the person they argued with during the day because that line is pretty easy to connect, however combined with the number of fallacies in Sheh's posts yesterday...I'm not sure if that totally clears him. Though I would like to hear some other opinions on this matter as I feel it does bear further investigation. Perhaps we should be asking ourselves: 1)Would Sheh have killed percy due to his disagreement with him during the day, or 2)Is it more likely there is someone who would benefit in having percy killed by using taht as an argument to have sheh lynched?
This is DoomCow's premier analysis post.DoomCow 377 wrote:Al4xz: some strange vote hopping at the end of the day and his mentioning of a possible GF are both sending me bad vibes.
Juls did some strange things in the early day, and added some minor confusion near the end. But she asked to be replaced, so I'm not sure of her motives.
Finally I'd like to mention Gerrendus who did some minor semi-scummy things, and got the lynching vote.
al4xz did "strange vote hopping", but Gerrendus did "some minor semi-scummy things"; while al4xz did change his vote more at the end the difference in scale is noted (plus we never found out what those "semi-scummy things" were; I'm assuming it refers to Gerrendus's last-minute vote hop alongside al4xz). We've already asked about Juls, and it turned out to be mostly gut and turned to mush by the replacement. And I sense from the second post that the direction he chose to place his vote toward was somewhat arbitrary. (Note that while Gimbo put the L-1 vote on al4xz, DoomCow placed the L-2 vote.) The entire analysis is heavy on vagueness; I'd like to see clarification on Gerrendus's "semi-scummy things", at least.DoomCow 382 wrote:There, finished. Events of this day have made me more suspicious of both Al4xa and Scheh, but I didn't like the vote hopping and the way Al4xz tried to talk himself out of it, that weighs the most, so that's where I'm voting for now. Still seeing Scheh as a good second though...
vote: Al4xz
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Just every time I die or finish a game... which now that you mention it kind of IS every week these days. (Expect it to change again within 24 hours <.<; )Huntress 557 wrote:Hello again Vi! You seem to have a new avatar every week
On a serious note, I think OhGodMyMajora'sMask just started the 72-hour deadline timer, so come back as soon as you can >.>Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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