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[TemporalLich]

yeah I was trying to see if NKA generates any more useful info and pisskop's assessment that the Night 1 deaths are hard to NKA is correct but I still think Psyche would shoot Doctor Drew.

and then I see that Psyche got red checked

oh well, can't argue with a red check

VOTE: Psyche

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VOTE: JacksonVirgo

This is like a get of jail free card for me. Jackson's lying. It'll be proven when I flip. Make sure you get a full claim before I go so he can't pretend he has an out when it's too late.

psyche is caught scum

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and I thought me saying that Psyche would likely shoot Doctor Drew was a more out there hypothesis

Psyche's reaction to JV's guilty is not a town one, and not one that implies Psyche and JV are co-aligned wither

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and I thought me saying that Psyche would likely shoot Doctor Drew was a more out there hypothesis

Psyche's reaction to JV's guilty is not a town one, and not one that implies Psyche and JV are co-aligned wither

well no, what exactly is a 'town' reaction to a fakeclaim anyway?

you're implying JV's guilty is a fakeclaim when it is very unlikely to be a fakeclaim

but trying to steer the game into a thunderdome is not a towny strategy.

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I'd think a townie would deflect or inquire about the guilty, but I am leaning toward more deflecting the guilty

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yeah I've always thought Psyche was scum and would say that Psyche would make sense as an investigation

pedit: I'm assuming Cop based on your confidence

[TemporalLich]

Oh, I got a guilty on Psyche btw

this is so casual and so resolute I'd say this is 200% a hard guilty (e.g. Cop)

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it's much better to have only the Town think JV is a Cop instead of everyone

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yeah, I do not want JV claiming before Psyche does

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yes, even if JV is a Thaumaturge

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yeah I can move off Psyche as well

VOTE: Hu Tao

only because the guilty turned out to be a soft guilty that is also trivial to fakeclaim out of

[TemporalLich]

I still think Hu Tao is the better wagon today

Loyal Fruit Vendor is both easy to confound and reliant on the target to instantly claim fruit. Also, Complex Vigilante is not a plausible fakeclaim and eliminating Hu Tao kind of confirms Psyche's claim anyway.

[TemporalLich]

I still think Hu Tao is the better wagon today

Loyal Fruit Vendor is both easy to confound and reliant on the target to instantly claim fruit. Also, Complex Vigilante is not a plausible fakeclaim and eliminating Hu Tao kind of confirms Psyche's claim anyway.

Complex Vig is an easy ass fake claim, whatre you on

I think they're both scum and partners lol

Even if you're actually a scum role cop and somehow manage to investigate a power role on Night 1, you would be better off actually trueclaiming role cop in that scenario.

Complex Vigilante results in unstable kills per night, as it is a vigilante that is not guaranteed.

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Like I am not opposed to them being town, but it is not Occam's Razor.

okay let me try to see which scenario makes the most sense:

JV loyal fruit vendor claim is true, Psyche complex vigilante claim is true (which means Psyche is town as Vigilante is only Normal for town): JV would have been roleblocked or Psyche would have been rolestopped
JV loyal fruit vendor claim is false, Psyche complex vigilante claim is true: JV would need to be setting up Psyche as LHF. This is very WIFOMy so this doesn't make much sense.
JV loyal fruit vendor claim is true, Psyche complex vigilante claim is false: Psyche wants BBmolla to be seen as Vanilla and thinks the setup is SKattic. Given the two kills on Night 1, I doubt this setup is SKattic.
JV loyal fruit vendor claim is false, Psyche complex vigilante claim is false: JV and Psyche are somehow co-aligned scum against all reason.

All in all, JV is actually a loyal fruit vendor.

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im vigging BBM

yeah you did crumb in a not very subtle way lol

which pushes me toward the "both claims are true" quantum state

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jailkeep wouldnt have stopped the fruit

and a roleblocker also wouldn't stop fruit?!

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doctor drew flipped town roleblocker

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so you're seeing the issue with town Psyche now, right

you can cause a fruit vendor action to fail with a roleblocker, so I'm not seeing your point

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I am not inclined to think Doctor Drew specifically would roleblock JV however.

but you can roleblock a fruit vendor at least in theory.

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How does Drew targeting Psyche cause JV's action to fail?

You're wrong on that one.

RoleSTOPPER targeting Psyche would have.

Drew targeting Psyche would not roleblock JV but would roleblock Psyche which would mean that BBmolla could still be a power role

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I am not inclined to think Doctor Drew specifically would roleblock JV however.

but you can roleblock a fruit vendor at least in theory.

DOCTOR DREW CRUMBED HE WOULD BE TARGETING ME OR PSYCHE

what crumb?

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VOTE: Psyche

yeah I think Psyche is just scum who thought BBmolla was vanilla with that strange fakeclaim

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okay I get it now

Psyche is probably scum based on that guilty and the idea of JV being roleblocked not being plausible

and even if there exist scum rolestoppers, why not just rolestop your teammates? Maybe this applies to scum alien as well but idk

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for both psyche and JV claims to be true the fruit would have need to have been blocked or protected from

this is increasingly seeming like an outlandish scenario as Flavor Leaf gives more and more reasoning

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any town rolestoppers should claim now

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otherwise, Psyche's complex vigilante claim is an implausible fakeclaim, especially considering the claim was in two posts

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I will point out that Psyche was acting like caught scum when the guilty was assumed to a hard guilty so...

Psyche also has a scum mindset

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VOTE: Psyche

yeah I think Psyche is just scum who thought BBmolla was vanilla with that strange fakeclaim

Did you seriously misunderstand roleblocker and rolestopper and that's why you voted me? Trying to find the scum who voted me over confirmed scum

No, I was thinking both a roleblocker and a rolestopper could block fruit being sent, though a roleblocker would need to target JV and a rolestopper would need to target Psyche

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so like again

if the simplest possible explanation

now

is that i didnt get fruit because i'm scum, what is the simplest possible explanation when i flip and i don't? bc that's what's gonna happen. seems like you're willing to give JV a pass even then.

simplest possible explanation assuming you are town is that the fruit was blocked.

either through town rolestopper or a roleblocker of any alignment

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I think hu tao self-hammered

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hmm i did not clock that hu tao's wagon was still so significant

i guess self-hammering is a decision

i don't know

I was skimming the thread to make sure I didn't lolhammer

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hmm yeah I think I'll be okay voting Hu Tao as well

VOTE: Hu Tao

E-1

according to CSF's unofficial votecount

[TemporalLich]

vengeful is normal for town only

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VOTE: Psyche

I'm fine with either a Hu Tao or Psyche elimination today

pedit: lol nice pocket

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has there been any claims over night? I see stuff about vig and bp

JV claimed JoaT with a loyal fruit vendor ability and psyche claimed complex vigilante (in two separate posts)

Psyche didn't get a fruit and it is not likely that the fruit was blocked, so Psyche is probably scum

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I am pretty sure Hu Tao will be a good lim on Day 3 regardless of your flip

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Somebody tell me, is a loyal check comparable to a cop? because Im pretty sure this is

a loyal check is equivalent to a cop that can't tell the difference from a No Result and a guilty.

a loyal check is a soft guilty

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I'm already on the Psyche wagon but Psyche is at E-2 right now

feeling like Psyche is still a good wagon

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Hu Tao was TOWN?!

what in the universe

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that being said, BBmolla is a confirmed fakeclaimer as Psyche really was a complex vigilante

VOTE: BBmolla

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that being said, BBmolla is a confirmed fakeclaimer as Psyche really was a complex vigilante

VOTE: BBmolla

They already claimed vanilla hun

oh I was going off of BBmolla's two contradictory joke claims >_>

[TemporalLich]

Oh

just read the claim

yeah I'm vanilla

UNVOTE:

actually yeah BBmolla true claimed

UNVOTE: BBmolla

[TemporalLich]

but yeah there is very likely a scum roleblocker

so that means JV is still likely town

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More CSF votes. Ignore the noise

gonna quote this as Hu Tao flipping town does indicate CSF possibly being scum

though since this was claimed as a vigilante kill, take that with a grain of salt

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VOTE: Random Nurse

for lack of mech, Random Nurse has been really scummy last day phase

[TemporalLich]

@Psyche - shoot RN or Shrek.

also another post worth quoting

Random Nurse is probably scum this game

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@Psyche - shoot RN or Shrek.

also another post worth quoting

Random Nurse is probably scum this game

Based on what exactly?

Your interaction with JV is clearly SvT and seems like trying to control the town

[TemporalLich]

For one, this reads as an attempt to twist my words, so assuming you are Scum you had better watch yourself carefully.

I made it abundantly clear WHY I mentioned having the rest of Town discuss, coordinate, and agree on who to use JV's claimed Vig-shot on. Instead, he made the choice himself and guess what—he hit a Townie.

AND THE REASON I wanted there to be discussion on who to NK is to see which players say what and why, and who they're adamant about not hitting.

But NO, we weren't smart about working together on this action and now Town suffers for it. So don't come to me and try to twist my words and say I'm Scummy because I wanted ALL of Town to discuss and work on WHO should have been that Vig target.

Got it?

You continuing the same type of interaction with me is basically scumclaiming

[TemporalLich]

Shot the counterwagon because Psyche ended up Town. If he wasn't like I expected, would have shot TL

I feel like this is town reasoning tbh

[TemporalLich]

The

hell

it is.

The more you keep trying to shade me the more I'm beginning to think you're Scum trying to get rid of the BP. You have said NOTHING if substance nor have you provided ANY actual reasoning for your statements. If you actually BELIEVED what you said you'd be able to explain yourself

instantly

.

Notice that Random Nurse said there is a Bulletproof player.

I have no idea how you know without a shadow of a doubt there is a Bulletproof player as opposed to a Roleblocker, unless you are scum or you are claiming informed

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i have no idea if ms bp learns if theyre shot at

they do not learn if they are shot at

[TemporalLich]

Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.

Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).

Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.

oh, here is the claim

I'm still gonna say RN is scum considering this is multiball and the JV and RN interaction doesn't seem TvT to me

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RN is not town

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I am ungated BP.

Both Scum teams have no choice but to get me eliminated during the Day because they cannot touch me at Night.

and we have confirmation that RN fakeclaimed

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ok nvm this could be TvT if you both are just really confbiased on a few details

assume I'm not at least for the sake of argument

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NKA points to Random Nurse being scum

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that's my scumcase, Flavor Leaf is a very safe nightkill but I think that could indicate Random Nurse being scum

all that stuff about interactions is Day 1 type fluff anyway compared to the mech that is NKA

[TemporalLich]

NKA points to Random Nurse being scum

HOW? WHY?

@Psyche - shoot RN or Shrek.

flavor leaf thinks either you or Shrek is scum

[TemporalLich]

davesaz and CSF seem PoE worth to me right now

gonna need to create a lead rist before the day ends

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I think STD may be a better option to pressure.

He lurks the most when Scum, but he sure was quick to come in and vote last wagon.

It reads to me that he's monitoring the game but way far out in the background, and frankly, I'm not comfortable with that.

this is worth checking out if RN flips town somehow

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Day 3 lead rist, formed by ISO skims:

[Town]

JacksonVirgo - The new flavor leaf, the interaction with Random Nurse is very SvT so JV is currently a strong townread unles RN flips scum
Aisa - Actually very towny from the ISO skim for this lead rist
camelCasedSnivy - my gut says snivy's votes say snivy is town
furtiveglance - seemingly cleared by NKA?
pisskop - I think pisskop is town
BBmolla - Maybe town I guess, confirmed vanilla
Save The Dragons - towny vibes, not much else
ZZZX - Lurker, so can't sort
Naerys - Nullread right now
shaddowez - very slight scum read right now
Shrek - Very good at blending in in a scummy way
the worst - can't really place in this lead rist through an ISO skim, but I think the worst is slightly scummy based on the Klazam flip
bob3141 - Safe PoE
davesaz - Safe PoE
Cat Scratch Fever - Implicated by VCA seemingly
Random Nurse - Implicated by NKA, very scummy, somehow genuine emotion

[Scum]

My PoE would be this: the worst, bob3141, davesaz, Cat Scratch Fever, Random Nurse

[TemporalLich]

RN is not town

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Why does the RN - JV interaction read as SvT to you

The push in that interaction feels fake

oh and posts like 3692 show a scum mindset

the RN - JV interaction pretty much clears JV actually

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btw i wouldnt call molla confirmed vanilla, bcz there is still chance of this slot being goon

goon is vanilla

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RN is not town

How can you be certain?

See 4211 for reasoning, and add in the Flavor Leaf nightkill feeling like it is likely to come from RN

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that it doesn't matter

Might be right in that. I want to focus on StD, dave and molla anyway

those are good players to push imo

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VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

This slot really needs pushing, and I'm also fine with a CSF lim today

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random nurse is backup flavor leaf this is truly a sight to see

backup can backup roles from cross-aligned players so yeah

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VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

This slot really needs pushing, and I'm also fine with a CSF lim today

How does VCA implicate me?

Spoiler:

Day 3 lead rist, formed by ISO skims:

[Town]

JacksonVirgo - The new flavor leaf, the interaction with Random Nurse is very SvT so JV is currently a strong townread unles RN flips scum
Aisa - Actually very towny from the ISO skim for this lead rist
camelCasedSnivy - my gut says snivy's votes say snivy is town
furtiveglance - seemingly cleared by NKA?
pisskop - I think pisskop is town
BBmolla - Maybe town I guess, confirmed vanilla
Save The Dragons - towny vibes, not much else
ZZZX - Lurker, so can't sort
Naerys - Nullread right now
shaddowez - very slight scum read right now
Shrek - Very good at blending in in a scummy way
the worst - can't really place in this lead rist through an ISO skim, but I think the worst is slightly scummy based on the Klazam flip
bob3141 - Safe PoE
davesaz - Safe PoE
Cat Scratch Fever - Implicated by VCA seemingly
Random Nurse - Implicated by NKA, very scummy, somehow genuine emotion

[Scum]

My PoE would be this: the worst, bob3141, davesaz, Cat Scratch Fever, Random Nurse

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your votes feel like they are scum motivated

that's just my thoughts, you've only really voted inactive players and hu tao (and Save The Dragons this day phase)

[TemporalLich]

yeah I agree

I agree with consensus that you're more likely to be scum than town however

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any reason for the Save The Dragons wagon?

Save The Dragons seems like a lurker to me

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eh I don't really like Save The Dragons' posts this phase so I'm willing to join the wagon

but Save The Dragons kinda needs more posts and content for me to give a read that isn't just "Save The Dragons is a lurker"

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CSF is a better wagon imo

that being said, I really want to see Save The Dragons post however

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yes i am also a town roleblocker

RN n1
Hu tao n2

I say we either eliminate Random Nurse or Save The Dragons today, with a strong preference for Random Nurse (I'm thinking RN might be a blocked kill?)

VOTE: Random Nurse

[TemporalLich]

yeah I say we eliminate Random Nurse today given the roleblocker claim

roleblocker is actually capable of giving guilties

[TemporalLich]

I'm not really sure if RN could have been roleblocked actually

bulletproof is a passive role, and there were two kills N1 and N2, and one of the N2 kills was claimed by JV

I still think RN is scum, but I will move my vote back to a sensible wagon

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[TemporalLich]

a second town roleblocker is a pretty implausible claim, but this is a

23

player setup

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a second town roleblocker is a pretty implausible claim, but this is a

23

player setup

In my 50-player Normal game I don't recall making any duplicate Town PRs.

just know that if Save The Dragons is trueclaiming the action submission claim makes you look like scum

[TemporalLich]

Save The Dragons claimed to have roleblocked you on Night 1

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okay gonna have to vote Save The Dragons then

that is actually a very good catch

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[TemporalLich]

Save The Dragons claimed to have roleblocked you on Night 1

AND?

if Save The Dragons flips town for some reason, you are scum

that being said I'd think you are scum regardless, but a Save The Dragons town flip means you are scum based on mech

[TemporalLich]

I already gave reasons

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I think they'd be pretty stupid to claim a blocking role as a wolf

considering a town roleblocker flip...

I agree with this sentiment

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[TemporalLich]

All I know is that they claimed a roleblocker of sorts, did they claim they were gated at all?

I'm assuming save the dragons is a pure roleblocker

[TemporalLich]

who's been handling this gamestate weirdly because I feel like we've got a better chance by yeeting them than continuing to chain ostensibly tenuous tpr claims

I have because idk what I am doing lol

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who's been handling this gamestate weirdly because I feel like we've got a better chance by yeeting them than continuing to chain ostensibly tenuous tpr claims

I have because idk what I am doing lol

in what way have you handled it weirdly

yeah I've been trying to chase threads of mech to not have to resort to playing this like Day 1

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who's been handling this gamestate weirdly because I feel like we've got a better chance by yeeting them than continuing to chain ostensibly tenuous tpr claims

RN + they're a full ungated BP claim who's perspective is and keeps being inconsistent with what it should be both because of the gamestate and also him as a player

nah RN has been handling this gamestate totally normally... it's just that I think RN is scum

[TemporalLich]

the gated BP claim gambit is still a strange gambit however

pedit: RN feels like the player to push players for the sake of pushing, and that claim gambit only enhances RN's pushes

[TemporalLich]

RN's claim of pure bulletproof is unresolable

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like I said, RN's claim is unresolable

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probably even less resolable than Save The Dragons' roleblocker claim

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CSF's recent posts have been towny but I don't want to townread CSF because then I'd have to vote the unresolable PR claims

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idk maybe you need to handle the gamestate more strangely

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it came out of somewhere it's just that somewhere is my mind which is a mess

this is not an explanation and I expect there to not be one

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CSF's recent posts have been towny but I don't want to townread CSF because then I'd have to vote the unresolable PR claims

Bro this post I think made my brain cells die. If a PR claim is unresolvable, why is that bad to vote? Why is voting someone ur starting to think is Town bad to vote an unresolvable PR claim.

don't you still have a gunsmith check

you can resol the bulletproof claim

[TemporalLich]

Who said I had a gunsmith check?

oh I thought one of your joat roles was gunsmith for some reason

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vig is a town role tho

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how much did u reconsider the psyche wagon yesterday?

I reconsidered once as that was when FL asked me if I could move off, but felt wrong so went back

yeah JV probably is town this game at least based on mindset

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is king furtive still obviously town?

furtiveglance is cleared by NKA

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is king furtive still obviously town?

furtiveglance is cleared by NKA

withering glare

is king furtive still obvtown by play

no, furtive is a nullread by play

[TemporalLich]

my thoughts on davesaz is that they are scum based on play (consensus reads and blending in in a scummy way) alone, I don't have any mech that says davesaz is scum or town

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I wonder if I can trap JV again.

If I get hard/soft confirmed by Cop/GS I basically become an unstoppable wrecking-ball.

what I can say is that RN's play is scummy as heck

it's just that the unresolable BP claim is making an RN lim look very risky

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my thoughts on davesaz is that they are scum based on play (consensus reads and blending in in a scummy way) alone, I don't have any mech that says davesaz is scum or town

i know this might not be exciting, but

you're voting someone in my towncore and if you voted dave then most of my towncore would be pioneering the same wagon and that would make me feel all warm and fuzzy

explain how CSF is in your towncore with at least negative two words

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First of all, it's "unresolvable."

Secondly, I am not Ascetic. MEANING, I am NOT immune to any and all investigative Night actions.

do you think it is possible for your BP claim to be resoled without an investigative role?

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ʜdt ƨi tƨυį

i guess it is true that CSF's mindset is up quark flavored and that up quarks are town-aligned

VOTE: davesaz for lack of a better vote

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First of all, it's "unresolvable."

Secondly, I am not Ascetic. MEANING, I am NOT immune to any and all investigative Night actions.

do you think it is possible for your BP claim to be resoled without an investigative role?

How do you reckon that'd be possible?

I don't think it is possible, which is why your claim is unresolable

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the six minutes i've thinking about this game all week have told me that this pool of players is optimal to vote in-

davesaz
bob3141
Enchant
shaddowez

so basically all okay votes if this were Day 1 and mech was not a factor

[TemporalLich]

i could ask why RN is not in that list

[TemporalLich]

RN has an unresolvable BP claim and is probably scummy and the JV and RN interaction is SvT

[TemporalLich]

RN has an unresolvable BP claim

and is

probably scummy

and the

JV and RN interaction is SvT

teal = my brain gets this wall of white noise every time i try to care about the claim i'm really sorry it's just not very interesting

purple = why do you scumread him?

green = why do you think it's svt?

1. the BP claim is pretty much NAI as this is a large multiball and it is still not known if the game is SKattic or not

2. RN's pushes feel like they are for the sake of pushing and setting up easy lims.

3. That interaction doesn't have the fierceness of a TvT interaction nor the performance of an SvS interaction

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VOTE: Save The Dragons

Scummy reactions

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Apparently I'm supposed to believe a claimed BP if town is some PR, I'm shadowy, and I never sused RN d1 (spoiler: I did.)

Dave's attack on me blows serious chunks

yeah I'm feeling this is a scum reaction

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You don't need to disclose that game is multiball actually, it was done to not piss off everyone with "wait this is multiball what the fuck!!!!!!!!!!"

on a different note, I ran a large normal that was known to not be multiball

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WIM = want it more, which Save The Dragons is only claiming to have to stall a hammer

basically mafia buzzword version of tryhardiness afaik

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name one point in this game where I had WIM

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this would be a post deflecting that argument but I have lack of effort

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my post day 1 reads are based on mech like NKA or associatives, though reads near the middle are based on Day 1 level stuff

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If STD flips Scum, eliminate FG.

if save the dragons flips town, eliminate RN

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If STD flips Scum, eliminate FG.

if save the dragons flips town, eliminate RN

You

do

realize that FG keeps directing people off STD's wagon like they don't want STD to be eliminated, right?

that is the point you're trying to make and I agree

that is an associative and makes me feel confident in a save the dragons elim today

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if save the dragons ends up being a mislim, RN's scum equity will be so low it is impossible to think that RN is town based on probability

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I'm not sure what town motivation there is to intentionally stall out the Save The Dragons wagon by moving a vote from that wagon to the davesaz counterwagon

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so furtiveglance is scum if Save The Dragons flips scum

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fwiw, Save The Dragons' reaction to being at E-1 is NAI, and towny if I were forced to pick from {towny, scummy}

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VOTE: davesaz

Save the Dragons!

CSF tomorrow.

We should lim Save The Dragons because of this associative, full stop

[TemporalLich]

oh

davesaz is a fine wagon... if this were Day 1

do you prefer voting out a scummy claim and associative, or just scummy dayplay?

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I don't think there is a town motivation behind jumping to me, but my thoughts are colored by knowing I'm town.

I'd like to know what motivation you think is behind your counterwagon

I'm thinking the counterwagon makes Save The Dragons scummy, but considering this is multiball you are also scummy

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does anyone have a mech case on davesaz?

Day 3 is kind of stalling out due to lack of information being gained despite posts being made

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but neither NKA nor VCA say davesaz is scum

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because mech information is the only way I can confidently form actual reads of substance based on thoughts rather than emotion

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I think seeking a mechanical case in a large normal game with few night result claims is more likely to trend away from catching mafia

refer you to town's decision to lim Psyche d2 despite the fact they were town who may have been conformable, based on a tenuous night action claim

like, for what purpose are you pretending that mech information is a good idea here?

calling that claim tenuous is like calling a galaxy normal sized

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does anyone have a mech case on davesaz?

What mech

I want to know so I have an excuse to hop off the Save The Dragons wagon

[TemporalLich]

both roleblockers claimed to not have targeted JacksonVirgo on night 1

Save The Dragon's claim is tenuous but Save The Dragons has low scum equity and an associative. The towniness of the strange Roleblocker claim after a Roleblocker flip is countered by Save The Dragons' lack of scum equity and associative.

JacksonVirgo is the backup Flavor Leaf... I still think it is too early to be looking for deepwolves imo

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but yeah, eliminating JacksonVirgo would be eliminating a strong town voice for no reason other than setup speculation

pedit: doctor drew crumbed a roleblock on BBmolla

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do you believe that this setup only has two blocking roles?

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I'd only think furtiveglance is scum if there is a Save The Dragons scum flip

davesaz is probably scum from the other scum team regardless because this game is multicube

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an associative is worth nothing if one of the players involved flips town

I'm still confrused about Save The Dragons' claim tho

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VOTE: Dave

vote camel and we can all have roast camel for dinner

camelCasedSnivy is a grassType from pokeMon

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also I am curious to see how cCS's "wagonomics" (I'm assuming this refers to VCA?) is bad

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if that is the case then my D2 "wagonomics" are scummy

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cCS is a nullread by dayplay and a townread by VCA

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I honestly don't see how dave is getting townier (I still scumread dave)

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Snivy feels the same from other town games I've seen him in. Is there more to this besides "he was on both Hu Tao and STD wagons"?

no that's pretty much my reason for townreading cCS

cCS's votes show a town progression according to an ISO skim

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yeah bob is still in my PoE

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gob seems town to me for the same reasons I townread Shrek

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Actually, say something specific about gob, that's all recent.

gob is very good at blending in and going with the flow, and keeping background towny vibes

that's my townread, and if that sounds like a weak townread you'd be right

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Actually, say something specific about gob, that's all recent.

gob is very good at blending in and going with the flow, and keeping background towny vibes

that's my townread, and if that sounds like a weak townread you'd be right

"gob lurks but this time its towny"

you're 200% correct

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People should look at enchant, gob, the worst, and ccs

this post is why I cannot scumread gob

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why in the heck are people voting gob

gob is town

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5337 is a scummy reaction to pressure and I still say that gob is town

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savior is not normal and gob is town

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also gob has zero associatives and zero reads

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wagoning gob has quite literally negative utility for town

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but yeah I'm reconsidering my Aisa townread for hopping on to a wagon that isn't even a policy wagon

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Yea this is weird

can't you see that your own wagon sucks to the point literally 200% of the people on it are scum

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only because the wagon on you is not a good wagon

they're otherwise townreads but VCA says they're scummy so they're scummy

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that being said, I'd be okay with hopping on the davesaz wagon if only to end the day before the town gets more fractured

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I'd still want to end the day with a Save The Dragons or davesaz lim

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we have less than 48 hours of time left, so we really need to consolidate, and no I'm not voting gob I'd like to not end the day with a mislim that gives zero info and 200% confusion

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Also I'm gonna be frank, my motivation has kinda died pretty substantially for this game so let's hope that picks up soon

alright, I feel that way as well

anyway, which out of {Save The Dragons, davesaz, Cat Scratch Fever} is the best lim according to you?

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those are the three lims I'm willing to hop on

I doubt a gob lim will be productive even if gob flips scum

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Who did gob replace

Shrek

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why are you trying to push a mislim?

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bbmolla, what is your reasoning behind voting gob?

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why are you trying to push a mislim?

How do u know its a mislim? You cant know that

I'm like 40% confident it is a mislim due to the wagon seemingly being on bad foundations

gob just seems like a towny lurker that is also scummy but I can't scumread because of the wagon having bad VCA to me imo

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you should probably just kill me so that the players with their heads in their butts can realize scum lead them onto a bad wagon

VOTE: davesaz

Save The Dragons might be town maybe

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I’d be fine with a bob lim today as well

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not really but cCS seems willing to push at least

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Intent to hammer

just so that no one can argue about Save The Dragons not being in the tent

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Slow down everyone. There is still stuff that can be discussed.

no there clearly isn't unless you're gob who is gamesolving when there is time pressure

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i mean yall can try a pivot on me, i guess

this post suggests that such a pivot would be a bad idea as it would in the best case scenario lead to a mislim and in a worst case scenario fracture the town and lead to a deadline no lim

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Slow down everyone. There is still stuff that can be discussed.

no there clearly isn't unless you're gob who is gamesolving when there is time pressure

What are you talking about? We're discussing stuff rn. Why do you want day to end early?

do you not know the concept of time pressure?

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we have less than 36 hours before the deadline, we need to consolidate ASAP

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I'm voting davesaz and would be willing to hammer Save The Dragons, but Save The Dragons is currently at E-2 because gob is still trying to gamesolve despite time pressure

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that being said, anyone still voting gob at end of day should be suspected

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we have less than 36 hours before the deadline, we need to consolidate ASAP

Okay that I can understand, you could have just said that instead of being snippy.

Is there really no room to shift the vote onto someone else with 36 hours left?

I'm currently on davesaz and am intending to hammer Save The Dragons

I'm not convinced any other wagon is both unlikely to be a mislim and likely to be hammered

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out of the other two wagons, cCS is likely to be a mislim and Naerys is unlikely to be hammered

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Intent to hammer

(again)

mostly want to see if Save The Dragons or gob has anything else to say

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I'm not gonna power this until lategame if I'm still alive. Every time I log in there's 5-20 pages of absolute drivel and nobody ever changes their mind about anything. When I try to be persuasive I'm ignored because everyone's already made up their mind. Like this isn't a game of mafia it's a game of "lim random people for tenuous poorly-substantiated reasons and hope for the best". I'm not gonna argue with 20 people who have their heads in the clouds. If I'm still around to argue with 10 you'll get enough me for a lifetime but this is painful.

"Lurking" is a pretty piss-poor categorisation every time I'm here I'm producing content and trying to break the status quo.

Idk why I'm trying as hard as I am honestly

fair enough

your mindset is town

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VOTE: Save The Dragons

might as well hammer now

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someone please hammer Save The Dragons as I got baited into E-1ing Save The Dragons when I was wanting to hammer Save The Dragons

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we have less than 18 hours left on the clock, and I think pisskop is scum for the fake E-1 vote

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so furtiveglance is scum if Save The Dragons flips scum

furtiveglance is town

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if save the dragons ends up being a mislim, RN's scum equity will be so low it is impossible to think that RN is town based on probability

VOTE: Random Nurse

pure mech as of now, might look into the town flips later

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maybe NKA actually clears RN somewhat?

there were two NKs, so this means scum probably think RN is actually bulletproof

UNVOTE:

we really need to NOT mislim today

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considering Save The Dragons was a mislim, that VCA actually implicates RN

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Actually kinda wanna go here
VOTE: Naerys

naerys vote might be compelling today

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VOTE: Naerys

also willing to vote davesaz, but Naerys is the common scumread among both nightkills

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I'll also say bob's posting this phase makes me townread bob

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Lich, are you a headless chicken or scum?

no

and that reaction says you're scum

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you'd nightkill either one and use this crappy defense to attempt to "defuse" my argument

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but if I had to choose, I'd need to flip a coin

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Youre saying she's scum no matter who she killed.

Do you not see the problem here?

no I don't, both are safe nightkills so it's not like Naerys chose a spicy nightkill

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I would't let Naerys dictate mafia kills if i was mafia teammate that's for sure.

Traitor

I'm pretty sure enchant is actually town-aligned but that is a thing you could say

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Besides starting at your conclusion, youre saying that the NKA of both kills supports her being scum.

She cant be on both teams. At least one of those kills could not have been made by a terrified naerys who chose 2 highly townread players.

the fact that both of those nightkills are safe nightkills means that the other nightkill could easily be made by anyone

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actually we have to be at least "pretty sure" as we need to not mislim today

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if the game has 4 of each scumteam, we're pretty much in MeLo

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Okay. Lets try this: do you think it was more likely JV was killed over his role or because he was townread or because of his reads or because his death would frame people or because its a low info kill or because they used random.org to roll it or because scum were trying to crosskill or because he was a leader or because he was active or because they didnt have a better idea or because of how it frames VCA or because people are afraid of his lategame play?

let's say JV's deepwolf chance was high and his claim was very scary (JoAT with FV and vigilante and unclaimed abilities)

it's slightly more likely Naerys shot Aisa instead, but Aisa is a safe nightkill due to being a consensus townread

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I can ask the same thing about Aisa too. Youre completely missing why NKA is a tool and not a starting point

NKA is a starting point because it's mech and can be used to generate reads of high or absolute confidence, while dayplay cannot generate those reads

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Imho JV was killed bcz his death would frame ppl.

*Me completely out of loop cuz of Aisa kill*
*Lich screams: Naerys killed Aisa!!*
#HighLevelLogic

someone tell me how this reaction indicates Naerys could be town as I am not seeing it

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Its heavy sarcasm.

and that is partially why that reaction isn't town