Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

[curiouskarmadog]

just back into town...will read and comment tomorrow

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Woah, Page 1 quickly begins the bandwagon train…nothing like a newbie to rock the boat.
Yay, haven’t played with an active BM in awhile.
Page 2, lost among the fluff between BM and Seraphim. IF Bm does anything, he does get conversation started.
Page 3-4 arguing over game theory. Jesus Christ..stop with the post pyramids.
Caught up…

Hoopla, no lynches are bad (at this point)…this is a newbie tell, nothing more.

Vote Sir Tornado,

I understand newbies attacking newbies for newbie tell, but you should know better…and even though you are not currently voting Hoopla, you jumped on that because…?

Why did you feel like Hoopla was scummy and deserving of your vote?

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I understand newbies attacking newbies for newbie tell, but you should know better…and even though you are not currently voting Hoopla, you jumped on that because…?

Because of the no lynch vote.

and you know he is a newbie right?

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ok had two games that were on top of deadlines...will update this one next (posting this is two games)....

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and you know he is a newbie right?

Yep. You would realize that I ended up unvoting him and concluding that he is not scummy on page 4.

What is your point? You should have known that when you voted him when his wagon was hot. I assume it wasnt a joke vote because you would have said it by now.

I understand newbies attacking newbies for newbie tell, but you should know better…and even though you are not currently voting Hoopla, you jumped on that because…?

I realize I'm a newbie, but I didn't join in this game just so I can play the newbie card, so you don't need to keep dealing it to me. I think I can handle the pressure and the dynamics of the game.

umm, It is called scum hunting, maybe if you had some experience you would know that. It wasnt a defense of you, I felt his vote reasoning was suspect.

Vote: Hoopla

for his No Lynch vote, and defense of it.

Read through page 1.

unvote, vote Sensfan,

same question that went to SIr Tornado..but doubled for you because you are doing it after only reading page one. This looks like someone who is trying to look like they are participating but not really doing anything.

also explain to me why voting after reading only page or 1 or page 3, when the rest of the group is on page 7 is pro-town.

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BM, you feel wide nets are town?...I always thought wide nets were scummy..leaves people open to manuver their vote without too much crap from anyone....I dont really feel like Sens is casting a wide net though. two votes is hardly a wide net in a 22 person game

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hey Sensfan...address my vote and question to you...or do you just want to pretend that it doesnt exist.

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confirm vote sensfan

I hope you realize I haven't even finished reading the thread yet...

you address BM's post After my vote and question of you...you address my request for you acknowledge my vote and questions..but you refuse to answer my questions which have nothing to do with a reread...

first scum found.

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confirm vote sensfan

I hope you realize I haven't even finished reading the thread yet...

you address BM's post After my vote and question of you...you address my request for you acknowledge my vote and questions..but you refuse to answer my questions which have nothing to do with a reread...

first scum found.

I have not read the thread. I have not read your vote of me. I have been reading the new posts.

you read and commented on BM post that was on the same page...

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I have exactly 9 posts in this game so far..it is only 8 pages to this game..why are you asking me this question and stalling? you can easily find it. it is my post 4.

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bullshit, you posted on page 7 and referenced a post from BM on the top of page 8.

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single scummiest thing someone can do in their first post.

but you are not on page 1..you were on page 7..so please explain how that was a good idea without reading the game?

also, is voting NL in your first post a common scum tell?

if so, why the fuck would scum do it?...why the fuck would town do it?

it was a newbie mistake...so again, explain to me how that is a good vote?

and maybe you should stop reading new posts and get caught up.

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getting funnier..

good with my vote.

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trust me, you rather have this than us butting heads...which will also probably happen this game.

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getting slammed right now at work..hoping to get to this thread in the next 1-2 days...only have time for a line or two...

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see sig (posting in 3 games)

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this game is next in line to update...time is short...I am trying though.

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Gone from the 25th until the 30th for the holidays...replace me if you got to...have 3 games that need serious updating..will try to hit them up tomorrow (25th) before I leave.

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unvote

before I head out of town

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back in town, will be rereading soon

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ok, I am officially caught up...that was quit a read for I was about 10 pages or so back.

I am not sure exactly what the case on tubby is, I see some questionable actions, but I dont see anyone putting forth a firm case...just pressure. I dont see that he is being "aggressively defensive" and think that is a bullshit reason to attack anyone. People get angry they get defensive. Townie thinks that their wagon is being lead by scum, they get "defensive"...Scum thinks that they are getting to heat and instead of attacking, get "defensive"...it is a null tell at best. What I think is a better scum tell are those you jump on a wagon based on someone being overly defensive......


I felt like OMGL actually had some points against Sir T, but once people came out and said they didnt like his case

I felt that OMGL had some merit in his case against Sir T...but when he case didnt get traction...he abandons it and jumps back on tubby....why is voting who you think is scum, unproductive? Is your vote on tubby anymore productive?

Sens and Nat, explain the vote on Tubby.

is there anything I missed that I need to address?

vote pending.

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quit=quite..hate proofreading.

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do you still feel that tubby is being aggressively defensive?...

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well, that question wasnt for you...but I can understand the mistake...

but since you take this time to chime in...is that what your vote is based on? and can you please explain how he is being aggressively defensive?

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updating this game tomorrow

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been prodded, will post when I have time...

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Going back to about page 25 to update thoroughly.
I remember that at the end of my read (page 25) I felt like anyone attacking tubby based on being aggressively defensive was sticking out as scum. I was planning to vote Xly, but got called away from the game. Now need to read…typing as reading.

do you still feel that tubby is being aggressively defensive?...

Yes.

My question to you would have been so? Lets say for the sake of argument he was being “aggressively denfensive”. Explain to me why that is scummy.

Not much on 26 IMO

Page 27, everyone is now starting to come out about how against the tubby wagon they are (Xyl, Shanba)…what does that mean? Who knows. Something to note though.

I agree tubby shouldn’t be lynched…(now do I fall in that category to note?)

(681) hoopla lurker hunts (votes hammer)
(682)Xyl follows
(684) is not moving is vote from OGML, but doesn’t like the hammer either (hate this post)

Another gut read conversation involving vollkan. Man, you are going to have to get over that vollkan..people do it. Day 1 A LOT of people do it.

(692) long posts, end with a hammer vote.

Not sure why hammer is getting heat but not Sir T?

Claus is in the game..I like him…good people.

Hammer claims miller (702)votes self (sort of)

(704) seraphim as no problem jumping on wagon.
(707) Xyl votes hammer again.
(709) so does Nat.

Like claus’ (710) post.

Vollkan/XLY theory discussion about millers.

(727) hammer unvotes self, but does vote anyone else…hmmm.

So can I get some support for a Sir T wagon yet or what?

Yes
Shanba and Nat have no problem instantly jumping on the wagon…hoopla too

Well, I would have, but I don’t like the quality of the people (nat and Hoopla) on that wagon…

Think instead of jumping on yet another lurker hunting wagon…I will join a wagon of someone that is actually scummy AND lurkerish..

Vote Seraphim

OGML and Shanba…your thoughts on Sera?

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I'm still waiting on an explanation from ckd as to how SensFan's voting while he caught up was scummy. This is a really big point of contention for me.

This is all moot at this point (for now)...but, it wasnt just that(and it was stated VERY clearing so I am not sure why you are over looking that). I didnt like the vote in general (for the same reason's Sir T voted Hoopla). What I found scummy about Sensfan, a lot had happened since Page 1, knowing that, why vote? It was reckless. why not read THEN vote? I felt like he was trying to look like he was doing something (voting after the end of every page of his read) without really doing anything. I found the vote on hoopla conveinent because he was getting heat at the time. i also didnt like the way he ignored my questions. But during his "reread", he was still posting in thread (obviously reading the current page at the time)....the whole thing seemed (and now looking over it again seems) scummy to me.

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you know..I take that back..it is not moot..

just reading over that again, sends off alarms. I like my vote where it is, but Sens...your current thoughts on tubby, you still think he is the lynch?..why? Your thoughts on the miller claim?...and since you and Sir T shared I like mind early in the game...your thoughts on his wagon now?

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it wasnt just that(and it was stated VERY clearing so I am not sure why you are over looking that)

Yes it was. You might have added further justification later, but you originally voted for Sens based entirely on this. That is the part I have a problem with.

I disagree I feel I gave pretty good explanation for my vote from page 7.

Why not vote? Nobody was remotely close to a lynch at that time, so how, exactly, was it reckless?

Really? If he hadn’t read think he claims there could be a ton of stuff that happened that would make this vote reckless. How did he know we weren’t close to lynching anyone? You and I did because we had read. Why didn’t he care? I called bullshit on the fact that he hadn’t read. By voting and not stating he hadn’t read, he doesn’t take any responsibility for his vote….just didn’t like it.

If he had instead just pointed out his suspicions from the first few pages, without voting based on them, would you still be saying this?

That depends. I didnt like his vote on Hoopla. I dont know what I would have done at the time, but I will say probably not. I probably would have kept my vote on Sir T and just asked Sens to answer the same question that Sir T did. What really got me going at the time was that Sens initial defense of his vote was….”I haven’t read”…well then why fucking vote?

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I don’t know where I stand on the Miller claim. I have only been in one game where someone claimed Miller 1 (within in the first 2 pages). He was vigged and he was indeed a miller. I think I would rather vote someone I feel is scummy then a claimed miller…but I don’t know at what point you press the issue. I can not think of game that scum claimed Miller. I am sure it happens…I can see why scum would do that Day 1 (or after a cop investigation).

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probably going to be away this week.

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I like my vote where it is. Der Hammer's lack of actual content until he was attacked leads me to believe he is active-lurking. His miller claim smells. I'd be a lot less willing to lynch him if his miller claim had come closer to the beginning of the game rather than when he was attacked. Instead, it only comes when he is attacked. Therefore, I like my vote.

curious Seraphim, if you compare your content versus Der Hammer's, who do you think has more content and game discussion...please explain why.

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Sir T, if you are battling despression, then this game isnt for you....sorry.

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will be posting on Monday

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Ok game only progress 2 pages since my last check in..

Sir T, if you are battling despression, then this game isnt for you....sorry.

Mod, Please replace me.

Shouldn't I play until I get replaced?

Sure, but the way I have seen some people personal attack others in this “game”…I don’t think it is for you. I am not talking about just this game, I am talking about the whole site. Sorry for your issues.

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Can we not talk about what the mafia or claim vig would or wouldn’t want to kill tonight?

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Serph (867)posts but completely ignores my questions of him, my vote is in the right place. So your vote was just bullshit.

Can we please hang him now?

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ha, just noted my title....its so me.

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yep, fine with my vote...he refuses to answer my questions....in that forthcoming post, there shoul dbe answers...I doubt it though

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I have never been in a game with Xyzzy that he wasnt replaced...why does he bother joining games?

will be updating this game tomorrow.

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Updating form page 38, typing as reading.

yep, fine with my vote...he refuses to answer my questions....in that forthcoming post, there shoul dbe answers...I doubt it though

Alright, answer my question: WHAT ARE YOUR QUESTIONS, CKD? IF you want them answered that badly, you should be able to rewrite them for me. Though I may unintentionally answer them in the following post.

It is not like the posts are that hard to find…if you really wanted to answer them, you would have done so by now, but I will play along with your little game.

I like my vote where it is. Der Hammer's lack of actual content until he was attacked leads me to believe he is active-lurking. His miller claim smells. I'd be a lot less willing to lynch him if his miller claim had come closer to the beginning of the game rather than when he was attacked. Instead, it only comes when he is attacked. Therefore, I like my vote.

curious Seraphim, if you compare your content versus Der Hammer's, who do you think has more content and game discussion...please explain why.

Something about Hoopla’s posts (interaction with Sir T) is coming up scummy to me. Too much talk about theory to back his motivations. I just am not liking it.

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Feeling better about Sir T after the past couple of pages.

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Bleh, Sir T still needs to die, but I´ve got to start being realistic with how this day is going to end.

Unvote, Vote: Seraphim

please address Sir T OMGL...and explain why he needs to die and why you have not addressed him thus far?

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will update later.

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I still think Seraphim is guilty....

ugh,,,going to reread.