Open 104 - The New C9 - Game Over

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Hey guys!

Randomly going to

Vote: ZazieR

...wut's goin on in hear OMFG 28 PAGES!!!

Well...


...let's get to lynchin' scum, then!

Unvote

Vote: omg

DO NOT VOTE FOR YOURSELF YOU BIG WEENER

There is a literal morass of self-aggrandizing newbies in this game. It gives me a headache (payback for when I was a self-aggrandizing newbie, I'm sure). I'm just going to pick up the game from here and pretend I've been along for the ride all along.

Note: I use ad hominem on occasion because I think it's funny. Don't take it personally, and feel free to throw it right back my way so long as you continue to provide answers and questions for me/the town while doing so. If your posts consist ONLY of insults, I will ignore them, buttsniffers.

I hope this is a hammer on omg. If not, someone hammer.

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Our personal motto: Longer days help the town.

That is true, my patience is just very thin sometimes so I'll have to keep that in check.

Not always. Sometimes they turn players off to participation, leading to a dead game.

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I like the Wall-E [wagon] enough to hammer.

Why? And why say this?

This sounds more like some sort of Buddhist koan than an actual recounting of things that happened.

translation of TCS thus far this game:

lurk lurk - post some fluff - lurk lurk - vote for an easy wagon - lurk lurk - post more fluff.

Still very happy with my vote.


Scott:

I think I understand your POV here, but for the good of everyone playing, can you stop with the frequent oh so not very subtle digs at MS please.

thanks.

Tall in stature is the man who can ignore the shortcomings of others.

you call this game serious? i just checked out another ww site. they play days that are 1 year long. nights are 1 month. they say anything less than 10 month days is hurting the village.

Im used to games where 1 ingame day equals 1 rl day, and even that feels a bit slow to me

Anyways, wall-e sounds very scummy to me, so.. Lurking all the time and then comming up with such a scummy post.

unvote
vote: wall-e

Where have I lurked? If you check ANY game I've EVER played, you'd know I'm ALWAYS the #1 poster in EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Try again.

Note: I use ad hominem on occasion because I think it's funny. Don't take it personally, and feel free to throw it right back my way so long as you continue to provide answers and questions for

me/the town

while doing so. /quote]
soft village claim
geez, so many claimers this game huh?

What?


I...


What?

Aww... I think the wittle wobot huwt their feewings...

You're on my "not helpful" list, just so you know, Scrut.

I feel like I'm in another country in this thread.

What is villagery? What is a pogger?

And yes, there are a lot of "newbs" in this game, though I meant it in the cultural unfamiliarity sense, not the doesn't-know-his-anus-from-his-ear sense. It's an unfortunate fact that what is a scumtell (a word I absolutely abhor) in one group will be a town tell in another.

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All that said, I dislike how you guys are all so bewildered that you'll jump on a player who's made ONE post above those who have made SEVERAL posts. Slow to lynch, quick to ask questions, not the other way around, please.

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Vote: Wall-E

You see this? Hewitt has voted and failed to state a reason. Don't do this around me or I start sniffing at your doorstep.

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Wake me up when there's a decent case on somebody.

zzz *snort* what? oh yeah... zzz

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...and after some initial digging, you are clearly in over your head in this game, so I'm not too bothered by your lack of reasoning. Still, someone might care, so I'm going to put a question to you:

Why am I scummy?

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If you want a reason here you go, my vote is currently on you because I'm tired of certainly people talking around with a superiority complex in this game. To me, that's scummy as hell, and as I find you the most arrogant, I find you the most anti-town.

Also, my vote was on matrix but I wasn't quite satisfied with laying my vote there because I don't think he's scummy anymore.

Arrogance != scummy. The sooner you discover this, the better a player you'll be. Did you see what I did there?

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All that said, I dislike how you guys are all so bewildered that you'll jump on a player who's made ONE post above those who have made SEVERAL posts. Slow to lynch, quick to ask questions, not the other way around, please.

the post you made was horrible.

What post?

it doesnt make anybody bewildered.

What?

while youre here, how do you feel about what i said about fonz?

What did you say?

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Follow up, since I think I know which post you mean: What about it was horrible?

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Why do I like players to give reasons when they vote?

I... I've never been asked that before. It's sorta like being asked why water is wet.

With nothing else to go on but bolded names this game would be nigh-impossible. It therefore behooves the town for the players to have policies which tend to pressure other players into providing information. Any information provided by scum is a lie, and it is by looking for said lies we find them.

LET'S STOP TALKING META AND START DISCUSSING WHY I'M SCUMMY PLEASE!

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acceptable lynches:

Hitch

The Central Scrutinizer

Wall-E unless he shows me this prolific posting he was talking about.

You've been here since June and don't know how to check other posts by players?

Look in my profile, you should see a button that says "Check all posts by this user." Click one of the games I'm posting in and then check how many posts I made in the game by filtering the thread by my posts only, an option at the bottom of every thread on mafiascum.

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What is an "FPS?"

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What does "fancy play syndrome" refer to?

Don't vote without stating your reason. It's how we catch scum.

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What does "fancy play syndrome" refer to?

Don't vote without stating your reason. It's how we catch scum.

Read my posts.

You came into the thread and made some scummy posts. Then you said you are always the #1 poster in your games and have hardly posted since then. I said I would give you a pass if you were going to be posting a lot, but you haven't. I'm not completely convinced that you're scum and I'd rather lynch scrutinizer, but as of now, I'd rather lynch you than OMG or matrix.

Ah, so this is the first time I've heard someone from bizarro world state actual reasons (albiet bad ones, as I will demonstrate) for their vote. Congratulations.

1) Name the scummy posts and why they are scummy.
2) I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on my post count.
3) Just to be clear then, you are NOT voting for the person you most strongly suspect of being a wolf?

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Sun Tzu: What if everyone was doing what you are doing? Nobody would be voting for their true #1 suspect. If you think you are right about Hewitt, you should vote for him, because A) it will net you cred with the town if you DO turn out to have been right all along and B) that way the voting record is accurate to suspicions of the townies.

Do you disagree? If so, why? If not, why not?

To everyone else voting for me: Please state a reason for your vote.

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I'm not going to presume to be able to read this game nearly as accurately as some others I've read, mainly because of the cultural crossover: What is a scumtell here isn't necessarily one for the eight "others," and vice-versa. Suffice to say, I will simply be looking for logical inconsistency and ignoring most of the standard scumtells when it comes to those eight.

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omgus from omg noted. Happy with my vote.

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As I have stated already, I'm treating page 23 as page 1. Nobody's fault (with the possible exception of the mod's) that I didn't know the game had started until then, but if you want to lynch me for not caring to read 23 pages of eight people from another site bash ms, that's your perogative. My vote for ZazieR was semi-random-stage, I actually based it entirely on ONE post he made around page 10, but I'm not even going to bother digging it up, as it's nearly insignificant to the things omg has done.

That said, your case against me is that I'm not reading the thread. I have copped to not reading every post. What more is there to say? I guess you can do what you will, but my shining moments always come in the late game, so if you think I'm scum for being lazy, it's your game to help lose.

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SC: I remember you saying that too. Can you clarify? What case do you see?

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SC: I remember you saying that too. Can you clarify? What case do you see?

It's mostly the question-dodging that I think is hurting you the most.

What question(s)?

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everybody should note that walle is proving over and over again that he isnt reading the thread closely, if at all.
some examples:
1. his vote for zazier
2. claims Hewitt is suns #1 suspect
3. claims nobody other than sun had given reasons for their votes on him.
4. hasnt answered questions posed to him in the thread

now, this might not be extremely damning by mser standards, but it should be.
he is posting without knowledge of the thread content and this can not be considered "good for the village" which apparently is a big mser suspicion trigger.

he is pressuring others to give their reasoning for their votes, which is fine. its the way it should be, BUT, at the same time, he is voting for omg as a matter of policy. a weak reason at best from the guy who is shitting on other peoples reasoning.
he says he will prove suns reasoning to be bad, but hasnt even attempted to as of yet.

his "I'm not going to presume to be able to read this game nearly as accurately as some others I've read" reaks of scum making excuses in advance has to why he isnt finding scum. this will be even more scummier if walle is usually regarded as a fine scumhunter.

and just now, says hes "happy with" his omg vote because omg accused him of sucking. omgus is a show of arrogance, correct? so walle, the guy who in this thread said "Arrogance != scummy. The sooner you discover this, the better a player you'll be. ", is voting for omg because omg voted for himself, and is now happy about it because omg is arrogant.
does anybody else see the contradiction?

why is walle not lynched already?
wtf are we waiting for?

SC: While I see no specific questions here (aside from the rhetorical ones) I will address this post, since you seem to prefer if I do.

everybody should note that walle is proving over and over again that he isnt reading the thread closely, if at all.
some examples:
1. his vote for zazier

How does my random vote prove I have not read the thread? I've already said once that I even had a small reason for the vote. Can you specify?

2. claims Hewitt is suns #1 suspect

No, I interpreted something one way, then found out the player himself has a different policy.

3. claims nobody other than sun had given reasons for their votes on him.

I claim nothing of the kind. Quote me please.

4. hasnt answered questions posed to him in the thread

Name one.

As to "accusing OMG of sucking..." ...OMGUS is defined in the wiki. Read it.

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How does my random vote prove I have not read the thread? I've already said once that I even had a small reason for the vote. Can you specify?

I subbed in for zazieR before you voted.

Does this somehow negate my random vote?

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I'm thinking scott is a townie, and a good scum hunter imo.

People should now converge on either WallE, Matrix or myself.

caboose, mada, atakdog,oEJo, StrangerCoug, Wall-E, this means you.

Clearly an attempt to garner town points here. It's in the vein of atakdog's post about how helpful I'm being in "bridging the gap." It looks like opportunistic buddying to me.

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That criticism is something that I myself pointed out in my first post in the thread.

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The fact that OMG is a vanilla townie gives us information.

Who was on his wagon?

This post smells bad.

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What does YMMV mean?

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By having strong consolidated wagons, we force the scum to pick between them, not leave their vote stranded on someone that was never gonna fly, and in so doing give us their votes to analyse down the line.

Hitch, have you read any of the no-time-limit, majority lynch only POG games? My impression therefrom, which comports with my theoretical view, is that bandwagon consolidation is not really important in this format -- everyone has to make an obvious, visible choice as majority approaches. In fact, it may be beneficial to avoid prematures consolidation, as more data will be available down the road if more wagons gain and lose life.

I <3 this post. +10 town points.

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[side note]

I'm quickly becoming convinced that if we combined the terminology of these two communities into a new mafia language we could simplify this game to a series of acronyms and emoticons devoid of any actual recognizable English.

Which, imo, would rock forever. \m/

But then I'm a huge sci-fi nerd.

[/side note]

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Why is he a viable wagon?

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WELL NOW THAT MY WAGON IS DYING I GUESS I CAN LURK FOR 29 MORE PAGES RIGHT?!?!!!11oneone

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I don't really like the idea of voting CS on the grounds of that one smelly post. Does anyone have a case on him that isn't based on the stinky?

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CS: Why do you think people are hating on your post? Do you think it's justified? Have you ever voted for someone for fluff posting like you did (and seem to do often)?

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I'm not really scared of what the preacher says at his pulpit.

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1. his vote for zazier
How does my random vote prove I have not read the thread? I've already said once that I even had a small reason for the vote. Can you specify?

As stated, zazier wasn’t in the game when you voted. That’s absolute proof. Anything else would be gravy.

And I have addressed this. There's nothing more to say about it. During my read, Zazie struck me as scummy. I needed a random vote, so I voted Zazie. Fair?

2. claims Hewitt is suns #1 suspect
No, I interpreted something one way, then found out the player himself has a different policy.

No,

Sun said if he could choose the lynch, he would choose hitch.

You replied “Sun Tzu: What if everyone was doing what you are doing? Nobody would be voting for their true #1 suspect. If you think you are right about Hewitt, you should vote for him, because A) it will net you cred with the town if you DO turn out to have been right all along and B) that way the voting record is accurate to suspicions of the townies.”

This shows that you are not paying attention to the thread (gravy), and it has to be assumed therefor that you are making stuff up to try and sound like youre participating.

Read that again. Slowly. Tell me if you can see how I interpreted "I would prefer to lynch hitch of anyone" and "I am voting for not-hitch" to = "I am not voting for my #1 scumspect.

3. [Wall-E] claims nobody other than sun had given reasons for their votes on him.

I claim nothing of the kind. Quote me [saying nobody has given their reasons] please.

Ok:

You came into the thread and made some scummy posts. Then you said you are always the #1 poster in your games and have hardly posted since then. I said I would give you a pass if you were going to be posting a lot, but you haven't. I'm not completely convinced that you're scum and I'd rather lynch scrutinizer, but as of now, I'd rather lynch you than OMG or matrix.

Ah, so this is the first time I've heard someone from bizarro world state actual reasons (albiet bad ones, as I will demonstrate) for their vote

. Congratulations.

this is more gravy

I've decided you must be posting drunk.

4. hasnt answered questions posed to him in the thread

Name one.

I asked if you were reading the thread, I asked if you were anti-joke vote. That’s two just from me. more gravy

You can't be serious.

I am reading the thread now. Read my first post in the game for the rest of this answer. As to joke-voting... what the hell does that have to do with anything? If I'm pro joke-voting, what is that, a scum tell? Humor is a great tool for scumhunting when used properly. These questions are irrelevant, yet I still answered them. Your reasons for voting for me boil down to essentially twisting my words and fabricating responses I've made into alternate contexts.

Anything else?

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SH likes hearing himself talk almost as much as I do. This could get sticky.

Let's make it worse, shall we?

atakdog is a power role

100% sure this is a lock

mike, what benefit to the village is this post?

btw
im teh seer
hewitt is not mafia
just kidding, im not teh seer

hey guys,

stranger and siesta are the best wagons fir D1.

Setting up wagons based on.. well.. nothing and i doubt you could actually justify what you said as a joke or as something backed up by evidence since there is no way you could make such a statement based on how little we know. The reasoning you gave is clearly bullshit since SC has not made any statements about who he's going to vote today and siesta. Also, their posts don't appear to be forced at all. You also state that MIKE is probably not a villager when you have NO evidence of that. And how do we know that scott didn't "peek" ( which i presume means "investigate" ) siesta since scott hasn't even posted so far? Your posts are full of crap and mostly you make no sense. You are hurting the town and the game since your actions aren't justifiable even if you were scum.

Hi guys,

I feel like its best to just claim straight up and draw night kills as well as clearing myself and my mason.

Myself and oEJo are village masons.

How the hell is it best to just claim straight up? And how the hell is it best to draw night kills? Also, how does claiming anything clears you as town at this stage? It's simply mind-numbing.

It's clear that at least both of you have not studied what a forum based mafia is played like on this site. Also, what is the rush for anything? Don't you know that ONE game day on this forum can take up to a month and a half? Geez.

And you call these fact drama. Even more reason you should join a newbie game before joining a normal one. Also, try adopting the terms used on this site. I.e. it's not werewolf, it's mafia or scum.

re stef and his posts:
he seems a little thin skinned.
he also seems to not have a good grasp on ww(mafia, whatever), even though he claims others dont.
but, his crying appears to be honest to goodness villager crying. i dont know why a wolf would get so upset if they really believed a couple villagers were screwing things up for the village. i probably wont be voting for stef any time soon.

This post boils down to a gut read and insults. Both of these are totally useless to the town. Buddying thrown in for flavor.

From what I can find on Google, "retarted" is an alternate spelling of "retarded", so they're one and the same insult.

does google note that i invented the word "retarted" a long time ago?

More fluff.

i'm trying to help everybody. if you guys didn't have me, you'd be done.

re zhaorx (nothing in particular about the post above, its just a place holder):
ive gotten the feeling that zhaorx admires me and my style and is developing his games to mimic mine. its an admirable path. nothing he has said this game bothers me. i dont have a read on him yet, but if theres going to be heat on zhaorx, its best if its for a legitimate reason. him trying to get some wagons going is not a reason to vote him.
which brings me back to stef:
stef, how do you suggest we move from the joke vote stage to the get down to business stage if nobody takes initiative? if you want to make an omelete, you gotta break some eggs.

More buddying.

Does this mean that you are the mason of OIIW?

this post was immediately after oejo voted omg and refuted his mason claim.
how/why does zazier interpret that as him saying they are in fact masons?
it reeks of an inquisitive wolf to me. coupled with his other posts which are basically helpful fluff posts:

vote zazier

i think a zazier/mike wagon may be in order at the moment.

Nobody in their right mind would have taken Zazie's post here seriously. Not even the claimants (I hope). To what effect to you drag out this obvious derp move by Zazie and try to make a case of it?

i think this game setup is so favored for the village

agreed. village wins this game easily imo

More fluff.

anyway, there's a scum among siesta, mada, cougar. bank on it.

Why? You give no reasoning whatsoever why you think we're scum.

people who have to come up with some "purpose" for putting a vote on someone on Day 1 is a solid scum tell.

OK, this can go either way. Some of us do what are called "pressure votes", and those aren't scummy. Voting someone to get that person policy lynched is usually scummy, though. Could you clarify what you're trying to tell us?

this post struck me as odd. mainly because i thought zhaorx did give reasoning for siesta and mada. if my recolection is correct, then cougar is essentially asking "why are you suspicious of me" but is including others as well for some reason.
and then he asks which type of voting z was doing, when given cougars 2 types, its fairly obvious how they should be categorized.

Twisting what SC said to start a wagon, here. It's fairly clear what SC was saying, and I agree with it 110%.

Stef is aggressive. If you can't live with his posts so far, leave this game now .
Trust me now, I know. Stef and I have had many quote wars .

Unvote vote omg_im_innocent_wtf

As that claim bothers me a lot right now. Why did you do it

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stef is aggressive? stef plays like a crybaby imo. (note that i am talking about his mafia skill, not him personally)

also, everybody note the bolded part. more probing, scum style

Yet more ad hominem, with a bit of witchery involving trying to differentiate between Stef and Stef's persona on mafiascum, a distinction which is elementally inconsequential to our purposes.

Stef is aggressive. If you can't live with his posts so far, leave this game now .
Trust me now, I know. Stef and I have had many quote wars .

Unvote vote omg_im_innocent_wtf

As that claim bothers me a lot right now. Why did you do it?

LOCK VOTE: ZAZIER

for spewing every wolf tell in the book

pounces on weak bandwagon

gives bad excuse to get off


EMOTICONS

oh god my heads explodingsdagasdfag

LYNCH this guy asap and we got1 wolf

wow, i cant jusitfy a zazier/mike wagon after seeing this. quoted the same post i did. had similar thoughts. this pretty much negates my previous concerns on mike. mike is officially back to neutral in my book.

More buddying.

What excuse do I give?
Besides, what is better: Keeping the random vote or voting a scummy player?
I think you know that answer, right Glossy Lips?

I use emoticons much, het used to it. It's a sign that it hasn't to do anything with the game. The only exception is the ':roll:'.

Also Glossy Lips, gender signs are present for a reason
Besides, there are no wolfs

And as extra, you may start by naming every 'wolf' tell in your book, because I'm really curious to it right now.

defiant wolf rule in full effect

You're calling his/her tone defiant... what shall I call your tone? I agree zazie's being obtuse, but you are mirroring him/her perfectly.

vote matrix

ok, so matrix wouldn't want to kill OMG if he was a good guy.


LISTEN PEOPLE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK OF OMG AND HIS CLAIM.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

WHAT MATTERS IS THAT SOMEONE HERE WOULDN'T EVER CONCLUDE THEY ARE A BAD GUY BECAUSE OF IT AND THAT PERSON IS TRYING TO GET THEM KILLED.

Vote matrix here and we can get into D2 by tomorrow with the first wolf dead allready.

if matrix is a wolf, hitch almost certainly isnt
and, if matrix is village, hitch is almost certainly village as well. i cant see a wolf being so vocal while trying to get a mislynch.
so, i basically what im saying is that hitch cleared himself with this post.
ww is ez yos

Buddying with a bit of mislynch setup.


I could go on.

Every post you make sets off a MAJILLION scum alarms on the MS radar. I hope you can understand the problem here: I don't truly think you're a wolf. I actually think you're just a hypocritical, ad hominem-abusing jagoff who loves to hear himself talk. If I voted for you for that, I'd have to FoS myself.

See what I did there with the ad hominem?

When you build a case against me that makes sense to me I'll try to respond.

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Unvote: Vote: The Fonz

is putting on quite a show.

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I voted for The Fonz because he's lecturing the town, enabled by SH's simple question that has nothing to do with hunting scum.

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Wall-E.

double ewe Tea eff????

Fonz is an even worse lynch today than you are. For much the same reasons.

Why do you think I am a bad choice for lynch today?

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It sounds great to me. But what do I know?

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After a minute and a half of searching, I was unable to find the question to which you refer, Fonz. Please elaborate.

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Sorry for the double post, thought I'd stopped when I finished responding to Scott, then realised there was more:

1. his vote for zazier
How does my random vote prove I have not read the thread? I've already said once that I even had a small reason for the vote. Can you specify?

As stated, zazier wasn’t in the game when you voted. That’s absolute proof. Anything else would be gravy.

And I have addressed this. There's nothing more to say about it. During my read, Zazie struck me as scummy. I needed a random vote, so I voted Zazie. Fair?

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Alarm bells!

Was your vote because Zazie struck you as scummy, or was it random?

The two are not compatible.

Wall-E - question highlighted in

bold red

above (from #954)

This. Also:

How do you square 'voting ZazieR for something she said on page 10' with 'treating page 23 as page one of the game?'

..................................................are you serious?

That's the big question? My random vote?

Yeah, you guys are going to lynch me anyway, and this whole thing was a farce. How does it benefit the scum to do any of the things I'm being hung for? Remember to ask yourselves that question of every bandwagon from here on out.

Some things I leave you with: 1) I'm vanilla, no harm, no foul. 2) Don't scumbuddy speculate before the first scum's caught, and 3) Just because someone's arrogant doesn't make them scum.

Unvote, vote: Wall-E

You kids play nice.

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The 43 page monster day is DEAD! Long live Day 2!

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Offering to replace back in if needed/wanted.

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I'm going to return to

unvote: vote: The Fonz

, for the reason I stated when I originally voted him.

I'm not too happy with ScottHoward, but I'm willing to accept the pogger claim that he's good at finding scum poggers.

I'm also agreeing with SC's claim that TCS never once in the game alluded to being scum before the post he got voted for by SC in, and

FoS

him.

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Oh, well, fine.

I'm considering not trying to lynch anymore poggers, just because you guys seem to be 100% scumtells all day.

I know, I tend to set myself up as a meat pie, but that's my play style. I've never met an entire forum of meat pies before.

Trust me when I say that this late in the game, when we are close to Lynch-or-lose, I drop all pretense of meat-pie psychology and directly start hunting scum.

That all said, my read on The Fonz was faulty, clearly.

But.

I think I have some insight into Sun Tzu's playstyle. I think he and I do similar things when we are scum.

1) He tunnels atackdog, Mikemike and Zhorax. Typically I will tunnel random villagers starting in my very first post.

2) He went into an in-depth history of his own experiences with the game. Trying to gain social value through implied experience. With me, this is a scum-tell.

3) He has a bit of an attitude. He's not afraid to do scummy things (which I do as town, and so does he, since scum-Sun would be emulating his own town meta).

Therefore I feel a bit more comfortable going after one of the people he mentioned, but in passing, and perhaps only in a positive way.

ScottHoward

, what's the dizzle?

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Unvote: Vote ScottHoward

FoS: TCS

- for being mentioned as a preferable lynch to me, but soon after Sun Tzu voted me anyway. This bespeaks distancing to me.

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vote ; wall-e

for being wolfy all game (coug) {1} and flip flopping in a strange way, ie, giving a big long post full of reasoning, then changing that vote 2 minutes later during which time no-onr had posted {2}.

It seems to me that whatever conclusions he reached should have been reached by the end of the first post {3}.

also, he dosn't actually add much of value apart from saying - sun is scummy. guess what? we allready knew that {4}.

1) I can't help that SC's playstyle jives with you.

2) You mean when I realized The Fonz was already dead?

3) We're awfully close to the endgame for you to be nonchalant with your votes. My posts are short, but they take into account many things referenced from all fifty pages of the thread. You're basing this vote on me on... what? What that SC did makes me so scummy? This late in the game, we need to be well-reasoned and solid with our votes. You're tossing this one out way too flippantly for the town's safety.

4) Dur hur.

[Wall-E]

"Why shouldn't I vote for you?"

Burden of proof shifting successful!

I like it.

[Wall-E]

My advice: Don't be afraid of the cultural gap. Go with your instinct. There are far more similarities between hunting scum here and on the p2p server than I suspect anyone is consciously aware.

[Wall-E]

I'm willing to join you in lynching TCS.

[Wall-E]

That'd be a yes.

[Wall-E]

The Case Against TCS By Wall-E:

He distanced Sun Tzu in his ISO 9.

He voted for my predecessor for an understandable mistake: His joke posts, (ISO 17 through 21, 23 through 30) were spread out over many pages. SC picked up on a COMMON and STRONG scumtell that, in the longer view, clearly was intended as a joke. However, I'd liken the entire sequence of events to scum setting a trap for a townie (which, if I'm right, makes TCS my hero in so many ways *).

In his ISO 33 he says everything he did D1 was him, "Just fucking around," a provably true statement, but I'd rather he not have said a damn thing than engage in a ten post indulgence - making fun of people who voted The Fonz for his, "If I'm the cop," plays.

Here's the thing, though. He claims the reason he made those prolific "If I'm the X, X is the X" posts was to protect The Fonz, yet he didn't pull the curtain aside until The Fonz was dead. He never even once spoke a word to his defence, merely continued to ape the post The Fonz came under fire for making without saying why. Most of us probably didn't catch on to what he was doing, but viewing his posts in isolation make it clear. * Hence the trap. Now, after the fact, he can say, "Well I tried to save The Fonz, and look how much he protected me!" Of course The Fonz was aware of the absurdity of TCS's actions. The Fonz's neck was on the line. He was reading everything anyone said to try to save himself. We've all been

there

.

In ISO 37 he clings to The Fonz's defence of him despite the odds of his being The Fonz's ONE investigation being VERY slim. More likely, The Fonz saw what TCS was doing with his joke posts and thought it was a strong town-tell (if only for the absurdity of the whole thing).

The rest of his posts have been fluffy non-hunting. He's been purporting since the beginning that he'd turn his act around and suddenly pop out with some newfound scumhunting effort after the fluff was over and the posting levels had gone down significantly. I say that time has come and passed. He was one of those who strongly advocated mass modkills, an action which statistically (if truly random) always helps the scum, and he has provided little to no useful content since his post 30 wherein he claims he was trying to save the cop but somehow was unable to just come out and say, "Guys, leave The Fonz alone. Your case is crap (it had to be, since he really WASN'T scum) and here's why."

[Wall-E]

I've made two mistakes in my case on TCS.

1) The Fonz was not lynched. My bad.

2) The Fonz also thought playing, "If I'm the X, X is the X" was silly.

However, I was unable to find any specific examples of The Fonz going above and beyond to defend TCS. In fact, he spent more time defending me than he did TCS.

That is all.

[Wall-E]

Your message of hopelessness is not pro-town. Fix that attitude, soldier, there's a war on!

I really feel that if the remaining pro-town players pull it together we can still win this. Between the experienced players from both communities and the fact that we have SO MUCH information to work with, it's not outside the realm of possibilities that we can beat the baddies.

Personally, I've learned a lot from this game. I don't think it's been a joke in any sense of the word.

ScottHoward's point that TCS's percentages were off is valid, and I'd be willing to entertain others voting for TCS for those reasons, but I accept his defence for now.

So.

What else is on the table? Let's look at the remaining players, three of whom are scum and - statistically - one of whom is a power role:

Caboose = Morphing addict
matrix
SiestaGuru
ScottHoward
Hitch
hewitt
The Central Scrutinizer
StrangerCoug = Wall-E

Dead Vanillas

omg_im_innocent_wtf
Wall-E
atakdog
Stef
M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE
oEJo
Mada
gusmahler = norseman1066

Dead Powers

zhaorx - Doctor
The Fonz - Cop

Dead Scum

Sun Tzu - Mafia
ZazieR well-named - Serial Killer

[Wall-E]

In process of rereading, but I have to go to work and I'd like to post at least something indicative of my thoughts before I do that. I think that our highest probability lynches would be Wall-E, matrix, or hitch.

More on why later, unless I change my mind, in which case I will tell you why.

Weird how you want to lynch someone active who's not you.

[Wall-E]

In process of rereading, but I have to go to work and I'd like to post at least something indicative of my thoughts before I do that. I think that our highest probability lynches would be Wall-E, matrix, or hitch.

More on why later, unless I change my mind, in which case I will tell you why.

Weird how you want to lynch someone active who's not you.

Scum can't all be lurking. Scum is deathly afraid of all doing the same thing.

Are they?

[Wall-E]

very fence-sitty hewitt

[Wall-E]

There are fifty pages of content for you to pick over. Don't disguise your laziness as helplessness.

[Wall-E]

I never said it would be easy.

And I already have. Twice since the lull in the game started. What's your excuse again?

[Wall-E]

I never said it would be easy.

And I already have. Twice since the lull in the game started. What's your excuse again?

I don't have an "excuse" and I don't need an "excuse". If I'm going to start targeting someone as scum I want to be able to be pretty damn sure they're scum. I seriously don't think we can go lynching another town player and survive.

That means you can't even LOOK for scum?

[Wall-E]

Okay, so um, let's not give up...

Alright, Wall-E, so why is your vote on scotthoward? And before you jump the gun and say go reread I did...a couple times and I haven't really got the reasoning behind why you're voting for him.

SH has been lauded as a pogger superstar. Since we're losing, he's clearly not doing his usual to help.

The simplest answer is usually the best.

[Wall-E]

You never inferred that. I did. Bad logic is a scumtell.

[Wall-E]

You're not likely to EVER be 'for sure' who is the scum. It's a function of the game that town is never positive about their choices. You're 0/3 atm.

I'm calling you nervous scum.

Unvote: Vote: hewitt

[Wall-E]

Please illuminate the reasons for us.

[Wall-E]

Whatever: Unvote: Vote: ScottHoward

Still interested in hearing your input, Hitch.

[Wall-E]

yeah way to ruin the game

[Wall-E]

Unvote: Vote: Matrix

Asking to put the game out of it's misery? Really now.

[Wall-E]

yay we're boned

[Wall-E]

bahgotown

[Wall-E]

i had fun in this game, and i'm glad i played! i learned stuff!


hope to see you all in other games!!