not one bit, although I havfe litterally just got to the thread so I haven't second levelled it yet, but that information was unavailable at the point of stef's vote.atakdog wrote:Yo, Hitch.Hitch wrote:I am up to post 74 so far.
vote stefbecause voting for a claimed mason D1 with no counter claim/other evidence etc is incredibly anti town, and given he appears to be an experianced player the behaviour is wolfy, sorry don't know the correct adjective for these forums, is scummy right?
also - hai guyz
How does the new info that OMG's claim is disputed by the claimed mason change your assessment of stef's vote?
Stef's vote was scummy because he voted for a claimed mason before the other mason had even come into the thread. Why would he do that?ZazieR wrote:Why was Stef's vote scummy?
What do you think of OIIW's 'claim'?
I know this.M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE wrote:hitch the combo of omg = bad and AJo = good seems really unlikely...Hitch wrote:not one bit, although I havfe litterally just got to the thread so I haven't second levelled it yet, but that information was unavailable at the point of stef's vote.atakdog wrote:Yo, Hitch.Hitch wrote:I am up to post 74 so far.
vote stefbecause voting for a claimed mason D1 with no counter claim/other evidence etc is incredibly anti town, and given he appears to be an experianced player the behaviour is wolfy, sorry don't know the correct adjective for these forums, is scummy right?
also - hai guyz
How does the new info that OMG's claim is disputed by the claimed mason change your assessment of stef's vote?
Now I'll think about where we are now -
omg has been 'counter claimed' for want of a better term, that means omg = bad, EJ = good are an impossible combination.
OK, I had a massive long post with all the possible combos of OMG and EJ in them, and their likelyhood and motives as far as I could see.
I think it was an accurate disection of the possibilitys.
THen I deleted it as I think it would be of more benefit to the mafia than the town.
It will be interesting to see what level people are on here. Potential massive tells on the way.
None of the deep analysis involves stef though. His vote was scummy, nothing can erase or compound that now.
OMG knows that he's going to out himself immediately to AJo...his play just doesnt make sense.
I'm gonna walk through this slowly and see if I can't explain myself a little.ZazieR wrote:Hitch, see again why Stef voted OIIW.
Good to see that Glossy Lips.FoS M1KEMMIEMIEMKEMIKE
I don't like it when players don't give any answers and from the looks of that post, you have nothing.
Holy X-post batman.atakdog wrote:K. But read Chuck, or the game from two weeks ago -- this is not village Matrix. For example, look at how he dealt with Zhaorx's d1 antics in the latter game (patiently, for the most part) -- and here he thinks we haveHitch wrote:atak, I'd rather not discuss this any deeper with you until like D3 or D4 depending on what happens. k?no choicebut to lynch the countered claimant? No way.
Also, his double question mark strikes me as something he doesn't normally do, though I admit I haven't read for that.
Vote matrix with me; the rest of it we can leave alone.
The second paragraph by atak here is so spot on.atakdog wrote:Not a tone read. (The double question mark struck me after the fact, but I give it pretty damn close to zero weight.) You referred to it in your previous post as being "tonally" scummy, too -- maybe you don't get what I'm saying.matrix wrote: Oooh pushing the town in to lynching me based on pithy tone reads because the style I play as vilager on a n other site is a little different to one post I made in this thread is a little thin.
It has little to do with tone, and much to do with substance. You are advocating basing a d1 on lynch on a decidedly superficial view of the events that have occurred, a view so superficial that I think it something that you could not possibly believe. I also think that, if you've read teh thread, you would think it reasoning that, however flawed, you could sell to this particular crowd.
So no, it's not tone, it's your advocacy of an anti-town tactic that might come to fruition if it gets some more momentum. Id' think you'd find my pursuit of you for that something other than "inconclusive".
Skimming his posts in chuck as suggested by atak, and there is NO WAY atak adresses the issue if he isn't sure that matrix wouldn't act this way as a villager, regardless of atak's role.Sun Tzu wrote:Hitch, if you haven't played with matrix before, how are you so sure he wouldn't say that as a villager?
no, I'm saying the line of thinking is both the same and correct whatever atak's role is.Sun Tzu wrote:
Are you saying scum atak wouldn't ever make this case against town matrix?
yes.Sun Tzu wrote: Could town atak be wrong?
ok does this post read as if cougarStrangerCoug wrote:Niceomg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:Have I wandered in to a newbie game by accident?
Why is Matrix not dead yet? Are people just trying to get him to spew his partners?
Honestly I dont mean to stir things up again but anyone that does anything other than lynch Matrix today is completely retarded/scumad hominem. The game does not end when Matrix dies as there is way more than one scum, so why are you saying that those of us that disagree with you are stupid to do so?
Is no-one else wondering why matrix has declined to adress me once yet itt?matrix wrote:omg.
Why are you in such a hurry to end todays game day?
What does the Town possibly gain from turbo lynching me. I am a little concerned that everyone and their dog seems to be following the pied piper and lumping their votes onto me, presumably based on the back of Ataks reasoning, yet without ever mentioning why they happen to think I am scum.
This Town is going to go down faster than a skydiving cinderblock that forgot it's parachute if you all play follow my leader and never bother thinking for yourselves, but I digress.
I am, leaning heavily towards Townie for Atakdog, I can't quite see him going this hard after me if he knew I was innocent as Scum, OMG looks more and more shifty with every pasing post he makes.
Were OMG to come up Scum I would think that that makes Atak even more likely innocent.
Agree, even if we're all town, we can still find posts today that may turn out reasons to clear people down the line.StrangerCoug wrote:Where I started Mafia, the meta is pretty much run through other people's profiles and follow the cop. Seriously. I had a culture shock when I came here too, even if just mentally, but I've been able to adapt, and I find it more fun here (although I have the worse record here xD).
I see no reason to halt the game while we wait for replacements. They might take awhile, and we can still squeeze out a lot of good info while we wait. I don't think you're scummy because of this post, just paranoid.ScottHoward wrote:all, playing shorthanded while we wait for subs is uber retarted
for all we know, the people needing subs could all be wolves (unlikely they are ALL wolves, but you get the idea) and we are stroking each each other off
i need a sub
have fun
Interesting. I feel we are both naturally wary of each other because we have both been mutually owned? me moreso than you admitedly.atakdog wrote:He was trying to warn you; you should listen. His perception, having played with me a lot, is that I could and would do and say exactly what I've done so far, as scum or town. He's pretty close to right -- as I said, you should listen.hewitt wrote:My bad, I didn't make myself very clear in that post upon rereading it. What I meant was I'm pretty sure out of everybody in this game right now that atakdog is town...which is like 2% sure. Which is about 1-2% higher than everybody else lol. I guess what I meant was right now, atakdog is clear in my books, I see him as the most pro-town out of everybody in the forum. Pretty high as well is The Fonz, yourself actually, and possibly zhaorx. Then again, I have no idea yet, it's way too early.
What you can know with pretty high certainty is that Matrix and I are very rarely scum together here -- his "mistake" which as Z points out, may not even have been one -- is something he could easily have gotten away with had I not hammered on it. I am certainly not above busing scum, but I rarely do so day one and I'd be strongly disinclined to do it to an experienced partner, or in a game with unknown power roles.
At this point the wolfiest sounding player (keep in mind that I can really only read tone for players I have played with before) is Hitch -- Hitch is my best werewolf/mafia bud, but he's been over the top about following me, and then his attempt to hookup with the fonz concerned me as well. IMO he'd be a lousy lynch today, but y'all have to realize when reading us foreigners that often we sound more townie as scum than as town.
In other news, the development of the Matrix wagon is interesting: my initial argument was that a local would be expected to gun for omg while an experienced POGger would not, but now he;'s getting a lot more pressure from locals for his "anti-town" behavior. This is odd because his behavior started with a desire to lynch the lying claimant, which y'all wanted to do anyway. The vanilla town claim is far less harmful than (in general) the mason claim (particularly because it's trivially easy to make and fake), so it's notable that the wagon on him is overtaking that on omg.
Doesn't clear him, but if he turns up town it will be worth looking back at how the flow went.
lol, at which point was atak trying to 'bus' me? He said in the post you refer to that I would be an awful lynch.Sun Tzu wrote:I agree with atak that Hitch is wolfy. I also think we can clear him if Hitch comes up wolf because he wouldn't bus a wolf on day 1 like that.
vote Hitch
lol wat?Sun Tzu wrote:I was a little worried about well-named when he soft-defended Hitch (who is howling), but well-named looks town now.
By the way, I read both of them very well.
Honest question - You knew what the pace was like here before we started, why signup?ScottHoward wrote:Also,prepare to be amazed:
I just thought of the perfect solution to prevent me from going insane this game. I will be voting for whoever has the most votes! simple and brilliant all at once. This will accelerate the mind numbing pace we are being tortured with.
Sorry if this bothers anybody, I have some type of mental disorder that makes it such that I need to see substantial progress/action in my endeavors or I get impatient/agitated. (ldo)
Unvote: whoever I was voting
Vote: OMG
To both you and the others to everyone wanting to lynch OMG (except scott who isn't saying it's a good idea) -The Fonz wrote: Heh, not so much 'others here.' i think we're a minority here as well. But then i also believe that most people who oppose it don't actually understand it, or why lying as town is so bad. For instance, if this site had a solid LAL meta, then OMG wouldn't have risked outing a real mason pair like he did. I mean, read the discussions on the subject in mafia discussion. IMHO, JEEP wins them hands down.
ok, I can lve with this.The Fonz wrote:See my earlier treatment of the topic. A possible motive as scum is that people would react exactly as you have. I've done things like that before. I know a fair few that make a habit of it. It makes no sense as town, to me, and I always prioritise 'does it make sense as town?' over 'does it make sense as scum?' becausepretty much anythingmakes sense as scum due to wifom.
My gut feeling on the issue is that OMG is just an erratic town player- it fits his MO perfectly. But then, my gut feeling is too lenient on liars, in general- they're scum more often than my instincts say. So I'm basically disregarding the claim entirely.
Matrix's heat comes from a player dependant read. or rather a type of player.SiestaGuru wrote:Im still not too sure where all the matrix voting is coming from though, in comparison to OMGs behaviour, matrixes seems way more towny to me. OMG is just rambling.
Poggers are people who play on POG, an acronym for 'puzzles and other games' a subforum of the 2p2 poker forums.Wall-E wrote:
What is villagery? What is a pogger?
If someone comes out with a solid case then great, but as far as I could see, everyone had had a chance to make their case, and after we had, the votes from people decided that the three lynch candidates with >1 vote were the viable wagons.OK, why the other two? Does it benefit the town to narrow their focus like that? What if someone came out with an excellent case after a re-read?