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By the way; we just had a discussion on MD about how people often don't read the rules, specifically when talking about roleclaiming, so I should point out this game has a rather unusual rule.
Natirasha wrote: PM Quoting: You may quote PMs.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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That's really not true; especally in a large game like this, a small early bandwagon is unlikely to go to a lynch, it gives the town something to talk about, and gets the game going. Frankly, the chances of a random early speedlynch without the guy even getting a chance to claim in a game like this are close enough to zero so as to not even be worth worrying about.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I'm saying it dosn't make any sense in this context.GnKoichi wrote:Actually, Yosarian, it makes perfect sense. Scum will sometimes "misunderstand" something so that they can push a vote without a good reason.
SC: I think the stratagy suggested by mafiaSSK is anti-town and scummy, vote ssk
Emp: You must be scum pretending to misunderstand ssk's comment!
Uh...what? SSK's comment was wrong stratigically, and arguably anti-town; I don't really think it's scummy, but Emp's attack on SC dosn't make any sense here. I know SC made some comment about how perhaps he misunderstood SSK or something, but I really don't think he did.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Everything I've done so far has been rational. Not sane, necessarally, but rational.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:
Yes, it was acting irrationally, so I traced it back to you.Yosarian2 wrote:
I don't think so. Why, have you found one?Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:
Have you lost your mind?Yosarian2 wrote:confirm vote:Lowell
Random question; are you one of dripping goofball's alts?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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So you think SC was lying about misunderstanding SSK? Well me too. That's why I'm voting him.Yosarian2 wrote:
I'm saying it dosn't make any sense in this context.GnKoichi wrote:Actually, Yosarian, it makes perfect sense. Scum will sometimes "misunderstand" something so that they can push a vote without a good reason.
SC: I think the stratagy suggested by mafiaSSK is anti-town and scummy, vote ssk
Emp: You must be scum pretending to misunderstand ssk's comment!
Uh...what? SSK's comment was wrong stratigically, and arguably anti-town; I don't really think it's scummy, but Emp's attack on SC dosn't make any sense here. I know SC made some comment about how perhaps he misunderstood SSK or something, but I really don't think he did.
What?
No, really, what? I just said that I thought SC was, in fact, entierly correct in his understanding of SSK, and that his response to it was fairly rational. SC did say he may have misunderstood him, but it dosn't even make sense to think that might be a lie.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Ok, that makes a little more sense.GnKoichi wrote:Also, through King's quote of Yosarian, and Coug's continued lack of ability to understand anything that's going on, I finally caught on to the flaw in that quote. So, Yos & Coug: King was pointing out that Yos's series of paraphrases are incorrect. A better summary would have been:
SSK: I'm going to vote for Litral because he's admitted to wagoning. Wagoning is bad.
Coug: Sometimes a wagon is good, unless it's for no reason. Vote SSK.
SSK: I think Litral was wagoning for no reason.
Coug: I AM NOT WAGONING FOR NO REASON! I'M ATTACKING YOU FOR YOUR VIEWS ON WAGONING!
That last statement is almost a direct quote. It is Coug's original misunderstanding, and it's unbelievablity is the reason for both Mine & King's votes. That's why King said that if Yos doesn't believe it was an actual misunderstanding, he should actually agree with us, as that's what lead to the votes.
If that is what they both were trying to say, then suppose I misunderstood it as well. Especally since line #3 of your post wasn't at all what I read MafiaSSK's post as; he quoted SC's post, and said
So I assumed that was directed at SC's vote on him. Which one did you mean, SSK?I thought this wagoning for the sake of wagoning...
Also, I really wish you wouldn't answer a question I direct at someone else. EmpKing's vote looked (and, frankly, still looks) kind of scummy to me, and his explinations for it weren't making any sense to me, so I voted him and asked for a reason.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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As far as I can see, this is the only play SC mentioned the word "misunderstood".Empking's Alt wrote:
So you think that SC understood SSK.
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You think SC was not lying when he said he misunderstood?
Nowhere did he do what you're claiming he did, which is "claim to misunderstand/pretend to misunderstand" something SSK said as a defense, or whatever. So, no, he can't be lying about that, *SINCE HE NEVER EVEN SAID IT AT ALL*.StrangerCoug wrote: If I'm unaware of just plain wagoning and bandwagoning being distinct, then by all means bring that up and straighten that out for me, but misunderstandings are not valid reasons for a vote, whether or not I'm guilty of one.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Do I think he misunderstood what? I get the feeling that everyone in this conversation is talking about something different because we're all being so vauge.Empking's Alt wrote:Yos: Do you think SC misunderstood?
But none of that's relevent; the key point is, you voted SC because you claimed that he lied, and it looks to me like he didn't even say what you're accusing him of lying about. It really looks to me that you were misrepresenting what SC said, and probably intentionally so, which is why I'm voting for you.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Others have already pointed out, but saying something like this is just SOO scummy, especally when no one "depicted you as some sort of jester".Litral wrote:
... please, this is the second time in this game someone has depicted me as some sort of jester.
And this line is worse...Litral wrote: Uh, if I were scum and that was a gambit, then most likely either you or GnKoichi is my scumbuddy.
..what?Litral wrote:
Either that, or you do not understand my argument at all, so I'll repeat it in clearer terms. I'm saying that his post was scummy, but I have no idea whether the opinion contained inside the post is scummy. The opinion and the post itself are two different things. Why? Because his post, besides his opinion, also contains other information: an important one is the situation under which it was made. The situation is that two people voted him for lurking and he immediately comes out with an opinion that should have been expressed earlier if he was pro-town. This is the sort of thing scum more often do than town, which is why I kept the vote on him.
Look, he was lurking, so you were voting for him. That's fine, that makes sense; lurker hunting is an inherently pro-town thing to do in basically any situation.
Then, though, he posts an actual opinion, a scumtell you say makes sense...and you keep voting him because...he didn't say so earlier? Huh? That's the part that confused everyone; usually, if you vote a lurker, it's partly because you are trying to pressure him to post content. When he did post content, you didn't seem to have any problem with the content he posted at the time, but then continued to attack him, and that's what I don't get.
If you vote someone for lurking, either they're going to keep lurking, or they'll post some content. Do you really want to punish someone for posting content in that situation?
The whole thing looks...off. Not a "Scum gambit", exactally, like you claimed in your defense. Looks more a scum mistake, the kind where a scum wants to keep his vote on a bandwagon, so he creates a weak excuse for it that dosn't seem consistat with other things he's said. And your defense has been flail-y, has accused people attacking you with "being your scumbuddies", and made a really bizzare jester comment that dosn't make any sense.
Vote:Litralfor now.
Lurkinghunting is pro-town. It's the rest of his behavior that's scummy.roflcopter wrote: i agree that lurkerhunting is v scummyI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Jesters are very, very rare. And it's not like lynching a jester is bad for the town anyway. Frankly, it's bizzare and kind of scummy to assume someone is a jester just becasue they look scummy.Vino wrote: I think jester is a very high likelihood for Litral, which is why I'm not voting him. His remarks read more to me of jester than blundering scum.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Eh; lurkerhunting is a neccessary thing for the town to do, though. If the town lets lurkers get away with lurking, then the town usually loses in endgame to a lurkerscum. I can find about a hundred examples of that...roflcopter wrote: yos, we obviously disagree on a point of game theory. i think lurkerhunting is as good as lurking in plain sight, it allows one to remain active but take part in absolutely zero real scumhunting and interact negiligibly with anyone who will actually respond.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Generally, if there is a jester in a large game, if you lynch him it dosn't hurt the town's chances of winning. The jester either wins or loses, but it has no effect on anyone else. So if there's a jester in the game, lynching him day 1 isn't really a bad thing anyway; it's not as good as lynching a scum, but much better then lynching town.Vino wrote:This is my first non-newbie game, so I didn't know jesters are uncommon. The game description said there may be one. I figure pointing it out might be helpful, because if we lynch a jester he wins.
What makes you think scum are especally unlikely to be sloppy?It was not very specific so I apologize. It was jestery in my opinion only because it was sloppy for scum play.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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...how is that worse then, say, lurking and not responding to pressure? Everyone should respond to pressure, that's the whole point OF pressure; if someone ignores pressure, I usually take that to mean they're scum hoping that something else will happen and people will forget about them.Litral wrote: rofl, which part of my vote do you suspect? The initial vote for Numberfourteen, or the latter insistence that it should stay? Because only the first part is voting someone for merely lurking - the second part is voting someone for both lurking and only responding to pressure.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Jesus...why the hell would you out me like that? Or yourself?Penguins of the Serengeti wrote: As I pointed out earlier, Yosarian, who I am officially outing as a member of the group (along with myself), who is generally a shy voter, started out by voting fellow mason group member Lowell, after which I accused him of not reading his PM, something he has failed to address.
And I'm a "shy voter"? Since when? I'm very often a very agressive voter, especally on day 1.
You were right, when you asked me earlier if I had "not read my PM carefully". When I saw the PM, I glanced at it, said..."wait...what the hell...I'm in another large game? I never signed up for that." Then I went back, looked at the queau, and said "Oh...I guess I did." And somehow I never actually read the whole role PM in the process, until you pointed it out to me.
Not that my vote on Llowell put him in any actual risk, anyway. And, yeah, I do agree that it's likely there's a scum in our mason group.
Still...ugh. Why the hell would you claim, AND claim your partner at the same time? It was bad enough, and anti-town enough, when Lowell claimed just on his own; you just compounded the error severely.
If you out any more members of the group, then mason buddy or not, I am going to vote for you and keep my vote on you until you are dead. You DO NOT GIVE AWAY ROLES ON DAY ONE FOR NO REASON!I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Um...why is it bad to claim, and worse, to reveal the roles of other people, on day 1? Are you serious?Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:
And why is that, scum?Yosarian2 wrote:If you out any more members of the group, then mason buddy or not, I am going to vote for you and keep my vote on you until you are dead. You DO NOT GIVE AWAY ROLES ON DAY ONE FOR NO REASON!
I mean, granted, if there is a scum mason, then it dosn't matter since he'll tell the scum anyway. Still, it's just bloody stupid, especally since there was absolutly no reason for it. Lowell's claim was almost as bad, especally since, with that leading comment you made before, it would make it pretty damn obvious to the scum anyway.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Huh? So, you go from thinking I'm town to thinking I'm scum, because I'm really annoyed one of my mason partners outed me as a mason, in a situation where it's pretty obvious there was absolutly no good reason to do so?roflcopter wrote:and my town read on yosarian goes up in smokeI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I didn't know he was a mason buddy. She didn't know that, though, so I don't blame her for that. I do blame her for outing me as a mason for no good reason, even though my vote didn't put Lowell at any risk at all.roflcopter wrote:
here's the part where you very quickly start sounding like a hypocrite. you're all like "i didn't even know he was a mason buddy" but at the same time you're making shitty excuses for your vote ("doesn't put him in any actual risk") AND agreeing with the basic premise which was the reason for penguins to out you in the first place, namely that there's probably scum in your group, and using that to try and retroactively bolster a vote which you just admitted you placed without realizing lowell was even your mason buddy. ummm... what?yos wrote:Not that my vote on Llowell put him in any actual risk, anyway. And, yeah, I do agree that it's likely there's a scum in our mason group.
It's not "way overboard", and there is absolutly nothing "emotional" about my statement that if she outs any more mason partners that we will have to lynch her, and that I will vote for her until she is dead. At the point I made the post, my #1 priority was to stop her insanity before she outed the rest of the mason group for absolutly no bloody reason, and to make it absoltuly, 100% crystal clear that that will absoluty not be tolerated. I'm sorry if you think it was a little over the top, but I think it was necessary I made myself absolutly clear here before she did any more damage.
and now the exasperation sounds forced, and is certainly way overboard. we got the idea that you're unhappy about this at the start of your post. and i really don't take you for the kind of emotional player who would even make the threat of keeping their vote on someone until they're dead based on something which makes you angry and is, in your opinion at least, anti-town at best, but certainly not certifiably scummy.yos wrote:Still...ugh. Why the hell would you claim, AND claim your partner at the same time? It was bad enough, and anti-town enough, when Lowell claimed just on his own; you just compounded the error severely.
If you out any more members of the group, then mason buddy or not, I am going to vote for you and keep my vote on you until you are dead. You DO NOT GIVE AWAY ROLES ON DAY ONE FOR NO REASON!
It's not like I can make her un-reveal what she already reveals, and I don't get how you think it makes me scummy that I don't want her to reveal the REST of our mason group.
And, considering that I threatened her, not to protect myself, but to protect the rest of my mason group from her insanity, this last comment of yours makes no sense at all:
Especally since you just admitted that I would be very, very upset about her outing both herself and me as masons no matter what else was happening. There's clearly no pro-town reason for her to do so, and that makes me uncomfortable with how both she and Lowell apparently wanted to get themselves confirmed as masons early on day 1; that makes me wonder abuout both of them.my opinion: yos is either scum mason or anti-town 3rd party mason, and he's very, very upset that his cushy position suddenly got shot to hell over what he percieves to have been poor play on the part of lowell and penguins.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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So you're a mason partner with him?Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:
Yeah you're right but I can vouch for Koichi's relative trustworthiness.roflcopter wrote:
this sentence is agnkoichi wrote:If you're not scum, you're a distraction of the highest order, and the town will be better off without you either way.huge, glaring scumtellFos:VinoStop fishing, scum. Didn't we just make it clear that outing masons is bad?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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You just spent a whole post trying to find out who the masons are, speculating, asking people, ect. Now you're going to pretend you don't care?Vino wrote:I actually don't care who the masons are.
Um...what? Do you know something I don't?Like I said it doesn't matter to me, half of them are scum anywaysI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Again, I don't have any information that implies that any of the masons are scum. It certanly is possible, perhaps even likely, but it sounds like you know more then I do. Which is only possible if you are also scum.Vino wrote:Yosarian2 wrote:
You just spent a whole post trying to find out who the masons are, speculating, asking people, ect. Now you're going to pretend you don't care?Vino wrote:I actually don't care who the masons are.Vino wrote:Something is quite scummy about this mason group, so the revelation that it exists means nothing to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SarcasmYosarian2 wrote:
Um...what? Do you know something I don't?Like I said it doesn't matter to me, half of them are scum anyways
Obviously only one or two, but it means that about the same ratio of general players to scum exists for mason players to scum
Ummm...what? That dosn't make any sense at all to me. What are you talking about? How can we "confirm townie masosn", and why are you talking like you know for a fact that some masons are scum?so knowing which of the masons are scum is useless until the scum is routed and we can confirm townie masons.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Well, yes, obviously. I'm still wondering why you seem to be assuming that one of the masons is scum, though.Vino wrote: Yos, perhaps I'm making too many assumptions here. Like I said before, this is my first non-newbie game. If one of the masons is a scum, then knowing that people are masons does not make them confirmed townies.
Which is also an odd part of your post; if there are scum masons, why would you assume there is only 1? Or, how would we find out how many there are, or whatever?Therefore we have to route the scum before we can establish which of the masons are townie masons. Also we have to know how many scum masons exist in the game, which hopefully is only 1, because >1 would be quite complicated to find.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Do you really think that's likely?Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:
Given that the scum concentration in the mason group may be higher than the general population, outing masons might be a very effective way to hunt scum.Yosarian2 wrote:Huh? So, you go from thinking I'm town to thinking I'm scum, because I'm really annoyed one of my mason partners outed me as a mason, in a situation where it's pretty obvious there was absolutly no good reason to do so?
If there are scum masons, then it probably dosn't matter, like I said. If there aren't, then the scum need to find out who the masons are in order to win.
I suspect we'll have a better idea tommorow, based on what happens tonight, now that several masons have been outed.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Do that, scumbag, and the more dead town masons litter the morgue, the higher the chances that the scum masons will be weeded out.Yosarian2 wrote:It's not "way overboard", and there is absolutly nothing "emotional" about my statement that if she outs any more mason partners that we will have to lynch her, and that I will vote for her until she is dead.
Oh, great, dripping goofball is about to do her famous "Yos is scum tunnelvision" thing again. Sigh.
Did you actually read what I wrote there, or do you just look at everyone one of my posts and think it says
?Dgbtunnelvisisoncamera wrote:Yos wrote:I am scum I am scum I am scum
Because I think that, if you read what I actually said, it should be pretty obvious that I'm not actually trying to lynch you here, I'm just trying to stop you from hurting the town any more then you already have.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Um...Lowell is the resident expert? Of what?Vino wrote: One of the masons said it was a large group, so he was guessing that at least one of them must be scum. (Lowell? When he claimed? Can't be bothered to dig up the post.) Naturally all of this logic is reliant upon that, and since he is the resident expert I am taking it as the most likely scenario. Since he found it suitable to reveal his masonry, he must be relatively positive that there is a scum in their midst, so I find it reasonable to assume that he is correct.
There is a difference between other people's posts, that have said that there's a pretty good chance there is a scum, and your posts, which seemed to imply you already knew there was a scum mason.
Then what were you talking about when you started talking about confirming people as townie masons?
I am not assuming such. I don't know where you got that idea. I specifically stated earlier that there may be many. If there is one it is much easier to purge them. If there is many I think town may as well ignore the fact that there are masons. The problem, as you say, is not finding the scum masons, but establishing how many scum masons exist.Yosarian2 wrote:Which is also an odd part of your post; if there are scum masons, why would you assume there is only 1? Or, how would we find out how many there are, or whatever?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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The point I was making was that there is absolutly no way we could ever figure out C, so there will never be a point where we can "clear" people of being scum.Vino wrote: a) There is a high likelihood of scum masons.
b) Until we know which mason is scum, we can't confirm masons as townies.
c) Until we know how many scum masons exist, we can't know whether we've cleared out all scum masons.
Until these conditions are satisfied we can not confirm masons as townies.
1. There is a difference between "Well, if X, then Y" and saying:I have a common problem playing mafia games were as a townie I make logical conclusions using publicly available knowledge, and present my findings to the town, who accuse me of being scum because I have apparently confidential knowledge. This is what is happening now. If you follow my logic, however, you will see that nothing I am saying can not be extrapolated from publicly available information. I'm sorry for not making myself more clear.
That statement (especally the "half of them are scum" part, which seems to be based on absolutly nothing) seems to imply you have knowlege that no pro-town people have. One of the best ways to catch scum is that they know things town can't know.Veno wrote: Like I said it doesn't matter to me, half of them are scum anyways, and the scum already know or will know shortly who they are, so town might as well know too
You later claimed that that was "sarcasm", but it pretty clearly wasn't.
2. You were trying way too damn hard to find out who the masons were, RIGHT AFTER I expressed that I thought it'd be best for them to NOT be known
And then you denied doing it when I called you on it.Veno wrote:
So the masons are Lowell, Serengeti, Yosarian2, ________ and GnKoichi? Is this the reason you voted Honcho for vague reasons? The fifth is roflcopter perhaps, for his earlier vindications of you two? Hmmmmm?
Which is clearly a lie, based on your previous post.Veno wrote: I actually don't care who the masons are.
Look...we don't know if there are scum masons or not. If there aren't any scum masons, then the scum need to find out who the masons are, so your fishing there is scummy. Even if there are, then that dosn't mean that all scum factions (like a SK, for example) will know who the masons are; and with a mason group this large, revealing the names of all the masons also makes it a lot easier for someone like a SK to find the real power roles, just by process of elimination. That's why I had to make DGB stop revealing stuff, and that's why your fishing is super-scummy.
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Also, rotf, it'd help me figure out where you are coming from if, to figure out if your attack on me was honest scumhunting or something else, if you would read and respond to my post in 262 where I responded to your attack. Thanks.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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It was to ask her questions, primarally questions about who her mason buddies were.Vino wrote:Fine. All of this is beside the point. My purpose in #261 was to ask Serengeti questions, not to extrapolate on masonry.
Probably because she thought one was looking pro-town and the other was looking scummy? As you yourself have pointed out, masonry is probably irrelvent in that.The purpose of pointing out mason connections was to demonstrate my point: she was acting sketchy. Why was she defending GnKoichi and attacking Honcho?
Ok. I forgot to unvote your scumbuddy Litral anyway.Saying "half of the masons" was a euphemism - I was exaggerating for the purpose of sarcasm. Believe what you like, but if you want to vote me, please spell my nick properly.
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You're not reading what I said.roflcopter wrote:sorry yos forgot to respond to this because i was overwhelmed by the obvscummery of vino
you're just reiterating what i already mentioned was a shitty excuse here.Yosarian2 wrote:I didn't know he was a mason buddy. She didn't know that, though, so I don't blame her for that. I do blame her for outing me as a mason for no good reason, even though my vote didn't put Lowell at any risk at all.
I'm not using that as a defense for my lowell vote; I don't really think my lowell vote needs a defense, in any case. I wasjust questioning why she felt the need to claim mason in response to that, considering how little risk there was in my lowell vote anyway. I found it especally odd since she had already figured out by this point that I had misread my role PM when I first got it.
(shakes head) Again, you're not reading what I said.
it is though, because its like you're trying to project enough anger through your post to vote penguins without having to worry about repercussions because "look how freaking anti town she was guys srsly!"yos wrote:It's not "way overboard", and there is absolutly nothing "emotional" about my statement that if she outs any more mason partners that we will have to lynch her, and that I will vote for her until she is dead. At the point I made the post, my #1 priority was to stop her insanity before she outed the rest of the mason group for absolutly no bloody reason, and to make it absoltuly, 100% crystal clear that that will absoluty not be tolerated. I'm sorry if you think it was a little over the top, but I think it was necessary I made myself absolutly clear here before she did any more damage.
I didn't vote penguins, and wasn't planning on doing so. I projected enough anger so she would know I was serious, which I was, and that if she continued to do what she was doing and out more people's roles, that there would be consequences. My only goal there was to put out the fire and prevent any more damage, not to start to put together a case on Penguins. Frankly, now, I tend to think she's probably town, assuming she is a Dripping Goofball alt which I think she is. Dripping Goofball has a long habit of fixating on me like this and deciding I was scum for some weak reason and then obsessivly repeating it over and over again no matter what I said, and every time she's done that in the past we've both been town.
Um...appealing to emotion? Do you really doubt that I was just trying to prevent Penguins from outing more masons at that point, or do you think that I had some anti-town motive for doing that? What possible anti-town motive could I have for that?
this part really slays me. you're appealing to emotion/the rest of your mason group to take your side against penguins because "seriously guys i'm just trying to protect you!" you seem to think its cut and dry that there could be no protown reason to out masons at this stage, but i disagree with you and agree with penguins, and she laid out in a pretty starkly mathematical manner how it was a good idea on her part.yos wrote:It's not like I can make her un-reveal what she already reveals, and I don't get how you think it makes me scummy that I don't want her to reveal the REST of our mason group.
And, considering that I threatened her, not to protect myself, but to protect the rest of my mason group from her insanity, this last comment of yours makes no sense at all:
Especally since you just admitted that I would be very, very upset about her outing both herself and me as masons no matter what else was happening. There's clearly no pro-town reason for her to do so, and that makes me uncomfortable with how both she and Lowell apparently wanted to get themselves confirmed as masons early on day 1; that makes me wonder abuout both of them.my opinion: yos is either scum mason or anti-town 3rd party mason, and he's very, very upset that his cushy position suddenly got shot to hell over what he percieves to have been poor play on the part of lowell and penguins.
If you really think there's something to be gained by outing a bunch of masons right now, then come right out and argue that point, and we'll discuss it. I think the costs outweigh the benifits, I think that's pretty obvious, and I will be extremly angry if Penguins, or any other masons, suddenly come out and claim/claim for each other like she just did, but there's a huge difference between "arguing that claims are a good idea, and going ahead if there's agreement" and "just starting to reveal people's roles for no reason on your own".
I mean, if someone says "Let's mass claim; I'll start, I'm a rolecop, and IS is the doc"; the absolutly first thing you do is to yell at him, and make absolutly sure that he stopps talking and that everyone else knows that a massclaim is a BAD idea and that it HAS to stop NOW. AFTER you've done that, after you've put the fire out, THEN you worry about if the person doing the claiming was scum or not, and THEN you can have a dicussion about if a massclaim is a good idea or not, but before any of that the first thing you absolutly have to do is to prevent any more claims, and that's all I did. Don't you understand that?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Sure, if the scum already know. Vino was fishing so hard, though, I'm guessing that at least his scum group dosn't know who the masons are.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:Do you think that the scum doesn't already know? I think the town should know what the scum already knows. Level playing field.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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So...you think she would do that as scum...why?Vino wrote: Claiming there are multiple scum masons is a great way to make your chances seem greater.
Unless they're scum, duh.Either way it is pretty scummy to vouch for killing masons.
This guy just keeps getting scummier...I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Vino is obv scum.StrangerCoug wrote:Is there anything important to read since the start of page 12 besides Penguins of the Serengeti, Vino, and Yosarian2 clawing at each other? You guys posted a lot since I last checked, and I can't comprehend what exactly is going on right now.
Penguins is probably town, she thinks I'm scum, she's wrong, she probably dosn't even read my posts at this point because that's what she seems to do when she decides I'm scum, and it's incredibly frustrating, especally since she's ignoring all common sense at this point and continuing to out more masons. Still, based on her meta, she's probably town; incredibly frustrating town, but town.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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You know who else would have info? A scum who's buddy was a mason.Head_Honcho wrote: What confuses me is that the initial push against Vino was based on him having some information re: scum/mason overlap that the town did not, but he is obviously not a mason.
Anyway, Vino's been obv scum ever since his defense of his scum buddy Literl by calling him a "jester'. His last posts have only made that worse.
Uh, she hasn't outed the whole group.
It also confuses me that Yos apparently backpedaled on his ultimatum re: penguins despite penguins having gone on to out the whole group.
When I said that, I meant it; the problem though is that now I'm like 95% sure she's town, which is incredibly frustrating, but I'm not going to vote her now, so it means that there's basically nothing I can do.
Do you really have a problem with me not voting Penguins now that I think she's probably town?
Clearly not reading the game, if you think I didn't comment on her outing another mason. And again, I don't know what makes you think that's the "whole group".I've been trying and trying to rewrite that in a way that is not so convoluted, so for the sake of brevity: I think yosarian not even commenting on penguins outing the rest of the masons is a huge backpedal, which to me says there was truth to what roflcopter called him on.
So, I'm guessing you're vino's third scumbuddy, right?unvote
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No, that's clearly not what she said.Vino wrote:
She's not vouching for killing scum masons. She's vouching for killinganymason, because she says we're better off that way. Look:
She wants to killPenguins of the Serengeti wrote:Do that, scumbag, and the more dead town masons litter the morgue, the higher the chances that the scum masons will be weeded out.all masons.
She, with her obsessive "yos is scum" fixation, has decided I am scum, and decided to try to point out that if I was scum I wouldn't want other masons to die since the more masons are dead the easier it is to find the scum masons. You've got to read it in context. She was never suggesting we start indescriminatly killing masons, especally since she's voting you, a non-mason. Plus, she IS a mason; if she was scum, why the heck WOULD she want the town to start indescriminatly killing masons?
Your case against her just dosn't fit; basically, none of her actions would make any sense for her to do as scum,I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Btw, good job with that. Assuming this game is balanced at all, you'd better hope there's a scum mason, or else you've probably just cost the town the game.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:Oh and BTW clever players know that I've outed ALL the masons.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Well, yes. What, you expect me to be consistant? Consistancy is a scumtell.Head_Honcho wrote: But you voted him for fishing for masons, this is why I read it as hopping on the e-z lynch more than legitimate scumhunting. The whole time your case had one foot in "vino knows something" and another foot in "vino's fishing" until the votes rolled.
Or, to put it another way, in some of Vino's posts, he looked scummy because it looked like he knew something only scum could know. In others of his posts, it looked like he was trying to find something out that only scum should want to know. Obviously he wasn't doing both, but the way scumtells work is that if it looks like someone might have been doing something it increases the odds of them being scum. He had so many different scumtells, of so many different flavors, those being only two of them, that I think the odds of him being scum are higher then anyone else in the game that he's the right lynch at the moment.
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No, it's because she's dripping goofball. She's always certain of half a dozen things. Sometimes, some of them are even right.
So what convinced you penguins was so townie?
Metagaming, mostly. Want me to link you to some games where she acted exactally like this as town?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Well, duh, of course I didn't respond to that, because I was trying to avoid outing us as masons. I figured you would get the message, since I generally always respond to stuff people say, and that you'd realize I was intentioanlly not responding to THAT post because I didn't want to draw attention to it. Or, you know, that you might show some common sense and ask again at night, instead of giving away the roles of more then a quarter of the people in teh game for absolutly no reason. Foolish me.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote: I kinda outed myself and Yos early on, when I told Yos he should read his bloody PM more carefully. And he didn't say, as a mason should "oops I didn't mean to vote (insert name of mason buddy he voted for) at all, I was completely drunk and smoking crack and hallucinating heavily." He just kept on as if nothing had happened.
Neah. Why would I bother responding to you at length? It's not like you ever read anything I say anyway once you decide I'm scum. This is like the 6th time you've done this, and you've never been swayed by logic before, even though you've been wrong every single time before; why should I bother?Now I'm sure Yos will respond to this with a lengthy and tiresome explanationI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Numberfourteen is a reasonable choice, but if there is a scum mason, my best bet is that it's you, lowell. At least PoS had some kind of reason to out me (although she certanly didn't have a reason to out everyone else. ) You had absolutly no reason to claim. None. Zero. Zilch. And the best guess I have is that you wanted to get confirmed as mason right away, and the only reason I can think of that you'd want to do that is if you were scum and wanted to make sure you didn't get cop investigated or anything before you had a chance to claim mason.Lowell wrote:PoS might have been misguided to out everyone (I'm still not sure) but I don't think her motives are bad. If there's a mason-wagon to be had, I think it should be on yos or numberfourteen.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Based on what? Especally considering how your entire attack on me was apparently based on you either completly not reading or totally misrepresenting everything I said, and then the way you completly ignored my response when I pointed that out, I'm not really that concerned with what you think right now.roflcopter wrote:more convinced than ever that yos is scumI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Eh...I don't buy it. Why would a town mason claim when he did? There was absolutly no reason for it at all.
Um...are you actually accusing me of "faking outrage"? Now, you have to know that's garbage, don't you? You've played enough games with me to know how much I, as pro-town, absolutly hate and despise bad, unneeded claims, especally on day 1 and especally when the person was in no danger of being lynched and the claim dosn't give the town any useful information, and you should know that the reason I hate unneeded claims is that they're almost always very bad for the town.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote: One corollary is that a scum mason would be the one out faking the most outrage at the masons being outed. To appear even more of a mason than the real masons, and get extra 'mason cred.'
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Yeah, you're getting to me. It always drives me up a bloody wall when someone apparently refuses to read my posts, attacks me for acting in a pro-town way, and when I explain myself they ignore me and just keep repeating that I'm scum. It's especally frustrating since both you and dripping goofball are doing it, AND since you both agree with me on both of my main suspects which makes me think that there's a high chance you're town, especally since you were making perfect sense up until the point Penguins claimed unneccessarally and I responded in the most pro-town way I know how to.roflcopter wrote:
thank you for letting me know how much i'm getting to youYosarian2 wrote:
Based on what? Especally considering how your entire attack on me was apparently based on you either completly not reading or totally misrepresenting everything I said, and then the way you completly ignored my response when I pointed that out, I'm not really that concerned with what you think right now.roflcopter wrote:more convinced than ever that yos is scum
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It really seems like you totally ignored what I said to Penguins, and based your response entirely on the TONE of my post, which was something I needed to do in order to get my point across, instead of what I actually SAID during my post. Then when I pointed that out, you completly ignored me. I just got lynched as town once, yesterday, in an ongoing game, for the first time in like a year, and it's driving me nuts that it seems like that could happen again, just because people who otherwise seem pro-town seem to totally not be understanding anything I'm saying, or even trying to do so.
So, yeah, you're gettting to me. Good job. Now, how about actually reading my posts and thinking about what I said, and perhaps try to understand why I, as a pro-town person, would make the posts I have made so far this game? Every single thing I've done this game has had good reasons for it, and I've explained them.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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No, I'm pretty sure I won't get lynched today. I'm also pretty sure that, if I'm right and you and penguins are both town, the scum are going to leave you and penguins alive long enough to use you guys to lynch me later. I don't see any way of preventing that if the two of you are going to completly ignore everything I say the way it has been, and I think it's likely to end up costing the town the game in lynch or lose.roflcopter wrote:you seem unduly paranoid about the possibility of being lynched today, when a quick glance at the vote count makes that seem very unlikelyI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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It's also the truth, and I can't see any way around it. Especally now that your damn claim has made sure any SK or whatever now knows that neither you nor I are any threat to him, so we'll probably both make it to endgame.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:
Nice. More twisted than a telephone cord.Yosarian2 wrote:I'm also pretty sure that, if I'm right and you and penguins are both town, the scum are going to leave you and penguins alive long enough to use you guys to lynch me later.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Well, that was one of the reasons I didn't want you to out the masons; I thought I had already mentioned it. Yes, if there's a scum mason, then the mafia will find out (or may have already found out) who all of us are; but if there's a second scum group; like say a SK (and I have a hard time imagining Nat not putting a SK his game, based on my meta of him as a mafia player) then he wouldn't know who the masons were, until you told him, Penguins.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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...Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:
Yosarian is a SK mason.Yosarian2 wrote:Well, that was one of the reasons I didn't want you to out the masons; I thought I had already mentioned it. Yes, if there's a scum mason, then the mafia will find out (or may have already found out) who all of us are; but if there's a second scum group; like say a SK (and I have a hard time imagining Nat not putting a SK his game, based on my meta of him as a mafia player) then he wouldn't know who the masons were, until you told him, Penguins.
Tell me, do your posts actually have anything to do with the posts you claim to be responding to, or do you and rofl have some kind of improvisational game of mad libs going here?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Um...claiming miller day 1 isn't a terrible play.Lowell wrote:@yos- to answer your question, I like to claim mason on D1 regardless of circumstances (same with miller). I'm of the general opinion that claiming mason puts burdens on scum that they don't want. I didn't know PoS would follow with outing the others.
However, claiming mason day 1 "regardless of circumstances" is pretty much the worst thing you could possibly do. It's worse then claming vanillia by far, and that's generally a lynchworthy offense already. Are you really saying that, even in games where you know or are pretty sure all masons are pro-town, you'd still claim mason on day 1?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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