Mafia 89: Revenge (Game Over)

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Checking in (late). Now rereading.

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Read the first 10 or so pages. I don't think Azrael is scum. No solid read on anyone else, yet.

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Okay, I've read up to page 25. I made some notes, but every time I finally think I get a good read on someone, I look back to the first page and notice that person is dead. The game's really hard to read with all these replacements, too..

@ Vi, and everyone else:

If you want to ask me questions, please do so. That way I know what to focus on in my reread.

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Hmm.. noticed something strange.

Azrael:

Can you explain why you, in the beginning of the game, thought this game would only be all-vanilla or cop-doc, and were afraid of a mafia doctor, a pretty rare role, later?

On page 30 now. Starting to get better reads on the current players.

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I like how I'm on top of the crowd here~

That's because, in the previous page, you asked everyone questions, but said you'd wait for me.

Who specifically are you talking about here, and (briefly) what were your reads?

Town on Farside and Kuribo, scum on MonkeyMan.

I finished rereading the game globally, so I've got some impressions. Going to read each player individually later. Probably tomorrow.

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SCUM

CF Riot
Yosarian2
Light-kun

Grey Area

Vi
popsofctown
BridgesAndBaloons

Town

The Central Scrutinizer
Shanba
Azrael001

Very Town

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CES: Care to explain why you're suspicious of me? Or, for that matter, why you're convinced Azrael is town?

Yes, I do. I'll do a player-specific reread on those I think are scum later.

I think Azrael's town because of his day 1 behavior. I really don't see a newb scum acting this way.

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CES: Care to explain why you're suspicious of me? Or, for that matter, why you're convinced Azrael is town?

Yes, I do. I'll do a player-specific reread on those I think are scum later.

I think Azrael's town because of his day 1 behavior. I really don't see a newb scum acting this way.

You don't see a newb scum...fishing for power roles, trying to get a cop to claim on day 1? Really? Because I tend to consider that a pretty big scum tell, personally. Or was there something else he did day 1 that makes him look town?

No, it was exactly that, actually.

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Sorry for my inactivity the last few days: It's carnival. I'll be fully back and active on wednesday.

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I think the argument's pretty valid, actually.

On top of that, his play hasn't been really inspiring, either. Ofcourse, that could also be an explanation for his lack of death.

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Yos:

You replaced in on day 1, right?

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Cogito Ergo Scum, are you actually saying that scum would kill off a scummy player without a particular gain of advantage? Don't get me wrong, Yos could be scum (making your statement valid), but I haven't used this case against CFRiot, who would be slightly more qualified since he only appears scum in my eyes at the moment (I think...).

Yos replaced in just before night 1. Not that many people actually suspected him on day 1 or 2, yet there were (seemingly) random nightkills on Kmd or Mykonian. In such a case, I'd go for a high-profile player if I were scum. So, yeah, while surviving long as a high-profile player isn't really condemining or anything, I certainly count it against him.

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There's 10 of us. There are probably 3 mafia and a serial killer left. I'd say the vig should feel free to vig Yos if we lynch mafia/sk today.

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This topic needs more CESc.

Ima sig this while I vote for scum.

Vote Light-Kun

I support a vig hitting Yos tonight.

I've got an important test on monday, so no cases from me just yet. But you know what people I'd like to see dead and what not.

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I've got an important test on monday, so no cases from me just yet. But you know what people I'd like to see dead and what not.

I'm not impressed.
You know when the deadline is.

I didn't. But I do now. I'll see what I can do, but I'm not making promises.

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Random thoughts:

The SK probably aimed for scum last night. I think Light-Kun's the SK-kill and TCS was the mafia's kill. That leaves me wondering where TCS' shot went, indeed.

Shanba, Azrael and Pops get non-mafia creds for yesterday, and my main suspects are dead. I really, really doubt that Az would be the SK, too.

If the SK/Godfather is bulletproof, that means there's no prisoner's dilemma endgame possibility. Something we should take into consideration. In fact, I doubt we'd be able to win without scum crosskills at all at this point.

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Cogito, are you saying you are counting out Azrael for being scum at all and doubt he's SK? He could still very well be scum. And he's acting worse and worse

Meh. Do you think a newb-SK would claim vanilla townie out of the blue on day 1?

I don't think so. A newb mafia might, I suppose, but I don't think it's likely.

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It could've been Pops or me or (if it were a mafia shot) anyone else in the game.

Is this a slip? I cannot tell.

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1. Yes we do. The Night coincidentally lasted long enough for The Central Scrutinizer to appear again (based on his post history).

I have my doubt by this method, but anyway, the night could've also lasted until TCS submitted a 'no kill'.

So while your top suspects are dead and everything, would you like to say anything specific about the remaining players?

Yes. CF is my new top suspect.

I really, really, really do not think Azrael is the SK. I cannot imagine a new player claiming vanilla townie pretty much out of the blue on day 1 as an sk. Seriously.

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Why can't he be mafia then?

Yos2 had no reason to bus yesterday.

@CESc: Why No Kill?

Iunno. Because a scum was lynched, or because I simply didn't know who to shoot. It's just a possibility, you don't have 'proof' that he shot.

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Because a scum was lynched, or because I simply didn't know who to shoot.

Is this a slip?

OMFGUS

I think we're missing a few people.

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Proof. lol, proof.

Eerrr.. You yourself said that you had 'evidence' that TCS shot. But you don't. We are indeed talking about probabilities, but that's not the way you presented it.

Votecount:
Vi - 1 (CF Riot)
Not Voting: Shanba, Vi, Cogito Ergo Scum, Azrael001, popsofctown, My Milked Eek
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

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Next question. Is this really the only thing in the thread worth talking about? Here,

Vote: Cogito Ergo Scum

(L-3)

On the other hand, is this really the only thing in the thread you'd want to base your vote on?

Discuss.

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In fact, almost the entire previous page was about whether TCS shot someone or not. I was just disproving your statement.

That with the fact you mentioned my name before as a possible target out of nothing makes me wonder why you want to vote me so badly instead of scummy people.

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1 you have no evidence that TCS shot.

1. Yes we do.

Fine and okay for the Accuracy Police, but it doesn't seem like you've done much proactive scumhunting at all (the closest thing has been your insistence that Azrael is not the SK). (To answer the next objection, unlike CF Riot you haven't suggested that I'm scummy for my vig-shot theories. Thus, it doesn't seem like you're doing much with it other than defending Azrael.)

What, you

want

me to think you're scummy? I just think your method of finding 'evidence' that TCS shot is very questionable, and I think it's by no means evidence that TCS has shot. If anything, Phate would've known it was likely that TCS'd made a shot, and so he waited for TCS to submit whether he wanted to shoot or not. However, I do not think a scum would check other players' posting history in other parts of the forum during the night, so, no, I don't think you're scummy for it. I just don't want you to base your arguments on suppositions that may very well be false. That's it.

Now, for who I think

is

scum, I'll look at one's behavior in the thread, rather than base it off of the fact that someone doesn't agree with me about something speculative and not really relevant.

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Hasn't said why yet though.

Partly PoE and partly some posts of yours that made me go :eyebrow:. I thought I left notes somewhere, but I can't find 'em. I'll have to dig those posts up from the thread.

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Okay, so I looked back over CF Riot's posts, looking for this "fishing with multiple rods at once" post, but I cannot find it. Perhaps I mixed things up, and confused CF with Light-Kun. Not sure.

I did notice, though, that CF Riot's only posted for Lowell, Mafiaplayer, Light-Kun and Vi all game, and hardly played a part in Yos' lynch at all.

The claim does nothing for me, especially since we may have an SK or a Godfather out there.

Waiting for MME.

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There's an SK in this game who's likely kill-immune, and based on the opening post of this thread, there's probably a mafia godfather too, who could very well be kill-immune, given the fact there's no real cop. A hider claim really does nothing for me. I think we've found scum.

Vote CF Riot

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CF Riot:

If you're the SK, you should probably claim now.

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Pops:

You should shoot MME. He is mafia, and out to kill you. If you want to be the last survivor, shoot him first!

MME:

You should shoot Pops. He is SK, and out to kill you. Now that you've lost your last partner, the only possible way for you to win is to shoot the SK before he kills you. Do it!

Everyone else:

G'night.

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NotMME and NotShanba are good shots though

Hmm.. Pops, then, maybe?

Do the world a favor and don't throw your hands up and say "I don't know", and proceed to lurk. Even if that's basically what you've been doing for the last two game Days.

Is this directed at me? Despite the fact that I've been spot-on on two scums in those two days?

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Were you NK-immune, Pops? It would've been so much easier for us if we'd known.

Thanks for the game, Phate, Gorrad, and everyone.

Shanba played incredibly tight, I must say. Kudos.