Open 122 - Near Vanilla (Game over)

hewitt · Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:04 am

Kreriov wrote:I certainly did not. I responded to Hewitt saying there was no reason.

And I certainly did not say there was no reason to. I said that I don't think it would be a good idea to out the jailkeeper, big difference.

hewitt · Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:26 am

It would be a little bit less than 50/50 chance of blocking scum actually.

hewitt · Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:34 am

Noooo zwets, 37.5% or 3/8.

hewitt · Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:40 am

No camn I'm saying that the jailkeeper had a 37.5% chance of blocking scum last night.

hewitt · Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:26 pm

It's is almost no use speculating at this point because all we are going to do is run in circles round and round and round and round and round and round...

hewitt · Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:33 pm

The speculating will do nothing but go in circles not your advice.

hewitt · Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:42 am

camn wrote:Because generally, scum don't lead wagons. They try to NOT be scummy.

What??? That would clear Kreriov, SpyreX, zwets, myself, and yourself just from today's voting...

I don't think that logic makes sense at all.

hewitt · Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:48 am

camn wrote:that looks like a pretty town list, if you ask me...

What? Weren't you just attacking Kreriov a couple hours ago saying that you would vote for him?

hewitt · Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:01 pm

So making good cases, being logical, and contributing is your criteria for what makes a player a townie? Because scum apparently do not attempt to do the same?

hewitt · Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:43 pm

I think that's pretty stupid, basically you're handing a free pass to VP then based on those criteria?

hewitt · Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:29 pm

Hm, I don't recall any accusations of your playstyle being a scumtell zwets. Looked like it was just a question to me.

hewitt · Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:21 am

Again, I think that Kreriov has the tendency to put quite a bit of fluff in her posts, but I would have to agree with zwets that camn's reaction was WAY over the top.

hewitt · Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:00 pm

camn wrote:It is ALL unintelligible.

Take the above for example.
If you ask a question.. you should put it on it's own line.. like this:

Why are you so insane?

Then you should just wait for an answer...and not answer the question yourself.

Clearly insulting Kreriov is a little over the top.

hewitt · Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:16 pm

Not so subtle cut downs on other players' intelligence levels are anti-fun to me, but at this point let's not get side-tracked on this. I shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:42 am

I agree that lynching lurkers at this stage of the game is not a good idea. I can't quite see scum just yet saying let the town self-destruct. I think the game is too involved at this point and I personally believe that all three scum are fairly actively participating.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:07 am

I'm going to...

Unvote

Because I'm not getting a good feeling that VP is scum at this point. And other players are kind of starting to rise up and have a more likely chance of being scum in my opinion.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:49 am

Can you please expand if you're going to make a statement like that zwets?

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:05 am

So you're jailkeeper?

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:18 am

Huh, okay well ac1983's claim seems sensible to me, camn? What about yourself? Who did you jailkeep and why?

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:30 am

So first of all that means hohum was the jailkeeper (if you are telling the truth camn) and he was like the scummiest person to me D1. And you claimed to see what would happen? Seriously? I did not think this was all that boring of a game at all there has basically been discussion and scumhunting going on consistently throughout (by most of the players) and you lost hope on this day? Right after you seemed so sure that you had caught scum with ac1983? I'm not quite following on this one...

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:46 am

I don't understand why you lost hope when numbers wise we have the most probability of lynching scum along with the fact that we're far enough in the game that it may be clearer than say D1 who is scum.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:07 pm

camn wrote:By WIFOM.. I mean that WIFOM is the reason I did it. I was WIFOM-ing the scum.
And I was right. They did not, in fact, target maad. Either night. The WIFOM was actually true.

TONIGHT they will target him.
He will be targeting me, and I will try and guess who they are sending to do the kill... in order to save HIM.

WOW. WOW. and WOW. That really scares me. The fact that you just said they did not, in fact, target maad really leads me to believe that everything you just said was pre-meditated and planned out. Of course, if you were scum you could not send in the nightkill on maadneet and totally claim that.

I'm by no means clearing ac1983 as town but that right there makes me lean towards you being the scum in this situation. Along with the fact that I've been toying with the idea of you/hohum being scum all game. One of you is scum (99% sure on that one) and you, my friend, are not looking good in my eyes right now.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:18 pm

What is there to explain? I have no idea what they did and frankly, your explanation of what must've gone down (if you're telling the truth) does not make sense to me.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:24 pm

Okay sorry not to sound rude but please do not defend camn like that and tell me what she's trying to say. If I'm misinterpreting her I would've liked for her to point it out to me instead of someone else.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:34 pm

So I'm all the sudden scum because I'm questioning whether you're telling the truth or not?

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:42 pm

Obviously the Kmd kill was clear and you just did like five posts ago saying that I'm highly possible for being in a scumteam with Ztife and ac1983.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:49 pm

Okay well I was never quite clear what exactly your suspicion of me was based on so I thought it could've possibly been reactionary to me questioning you I don't know. How so will my decisions today be much more distiguishable than others?

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:52 pm

Anyways I will be gone for at least three hours on my way back to school. If my opinion is needed or questioned I'm undecided as to who is telling the truth.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:01 pm

Alright well I'm judging that camn is actually our jailkeeper based on her attitude and that ac1983 truly was scum. To be honest though, I still wasn't convinced at the end.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:04 pm

You should know by now that if I had a solid opinion in this game I would've taken it.

hewitt · Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:21 pm

Because when there's a situation (like this one) and I think I know who's scum I take a stance on it. Like the mufasa-maadneet situation. Granted I was wrong in that situation...and probably this one but I'm not going to apologize for being wrong.

hewitt · Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:16 am

Alright so here's my take on the current situation.

VP- Ugh, I still have a bad gut feeling about him but it's just my gut and I don't really have anything to go off and seeing as he didn't really do anything scummy yesterday I'm leaning much more towards a town read on him than earlier.

SpyreX- I think there's a high possibility that he's in a scumteam with someone else. If Kreriov is lynched today and flips scum then he will be my number one suspect most likely for throwing out that Kreriov vote (that had no reasoning behind it) and then unvoting and voting for zwets.

camn- Since there's been no counter claiming I'm assuming she is the jailkeeper.

Kreriov- Not really sure at the moment, higher up on my most likely to be scumlist than most. Probably number two or three depending on who maadneet protected.

zwets- Wow I've never really seen a scummier action in this game than that quick hammer. Number one on my scumlist. I am very confident in this...

Vote: zwets

Ztife- If camn jailkept him then that is a high possibility he put in a kill on somebody and was blocked. I'll wait to see what maadneet has to say.

maadneet- Assuming he's the doctor, waiting to hear who he protected.

hewitt · Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:38 am

My bad, I probably should've pointed out that zwets was at L-1 after I voted for him. I agree that everybody should be voicing their opinions long before there's a lynch.

hewitt · Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:26 am

SpyreX wrote:
Vote: Kreriov

Lets get this party started. <3 Camn.

hewitt wrote:SpyreX- I think there's a high possibility that he's in a scumteam with someone else. If Kreriov is lynched today and flips scum then he will be my number one suspect most likely for throwing out that Kreriov vote (that had no reasoning behind it) and then unvoting and voting for zwets.

You didn't have your reasoning behind it. What's wrong with my statement? It's true.

hewitt · Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:28 am

Fucking dammit stupid quote tags.

Mod: can you please disregard that bolded text my last post?

It was meant to be quoting SpyreX's post #1482

hewitt · Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:42 am

Yes, thank you Zazier that is exactly what I meant.

SpyreX- It would've been nice if you had just said I'm voting for him for reasons previously stated instead of just throwing it out there. It's a new day so when you have a whole day to think back it's possible you could rethink some of your previous stances but apparently not.

hewitt · Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:06 pm

I'm not goig to aopologize for not helpong yu catch scum camn. If I had nknown then I would've hepled. I thin, it's important we ahear from maadneet before lynchging anybody, whether it's ztife, zewets, whatever.

hewitt · Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:09 pm

I knooooooow. I'm a acollege student, what can I say lol. But I don't want us to lose so I'm going to help no matter what.

hewitt · Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:11 pm

Kreriov wrote:No worries, you did not unvote first Hewitt. I am curious though. I would think SpyreX would be more suspicious if I should be lynched and flip town but you seem to be saying the opposite?

Sorry I neer answerred this. That's correct if you flipped town I would be more suspicious at this point because I feel like the scum feel trapped by the lynch of ac 1983 and will be trying to distance themselves as much as poossible in case one of them gets lynchec today. That way, they can try to win anyways...which would suck major ass.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:04 am

I'm not even going to try and figure out what happened during the night until I hear from maadneet because there's way too many possibilities until then.

(For the record, my laptop should seriously be locked away from me after drinking.)

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:46 am

Uh, which other game did we mislynch zwets? Was it recently?

I don't think zwets should get off today based on playstyle. It's not quite playstyle that I'm worried about with him. His decision to quick hammer scares me and I've been suspicious of him pretty much the whole game.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:00 am

I'm not quite sure if it outweighs his playstyle because I'm not really sure if it's even in line with his playstyle to begin with.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:52 pm

Yeah where is zwets? He is posting in other games.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:15 pm

zwetschenwasser wrote: Ztife and VP are freaking out and distancing from each other like mad. Please Jailkeep VP tonight, camn.
Vote: Ztife

Is that your only thought about him? That he might be in a scumteam with VP?

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:25 pm

Well why Ztife over VP then?

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:37 pm

Ztife is at L-1 is he not?

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:48 pm

I'm sorry that's what I meant. It looks as if zwets is at L-2 unless you have a vote on him somewhere along the way I missed VP.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:59 pm

At I would just like to say that if VP does decide to cast a vote against Ztife right now I would like to point out that it is a very dangerous position to put ourselves in. If we have 4 vs. 4 and somebody switches and there's a mislynch it puts us in a very bad position.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:26 pm

If you vote Ztife and we're put at a 4 vs. 4 and somebody from one side switches and there IS a mislynch. I'm not talking about probability here I'm talking about possibility. It is pretty clear to me that the 4 who have the majority will start to pick off the remaining 3. Well if the minority has all town players and the two scum are in the majority, the scum may have a very easy ride to the end. The majority will probably pick them off until it is 4 vs. 2 (which can still contain the scumteam) and then 4 vs. 1. At that point it will become clear that the majority holds the scumteam and one more mislynch and we lose.

My point is, just because we correctly lynched ac1983 yesterday does not mean we are in the clear at all. We must be extremely careful in our decisions today.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:49 pm

I didn't say it was Survivor obviously, I'm just saying that we need to be careful because we are not out of the clear. It's feeling safe in this game, saying that we have a 50% chance of winning, that leads to losing. We don't have a 50% chance at winning in my opinion, we have a 50% chance at losing.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:10 pm

Uh, there's a big difference between making choices, and making smart choice. Let me make that clear.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:32 pm

I didn't say your voting for Ztife wasn't well explained VP, I was just putting a general warning out there that we can not be looking at this as a freebie day.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:03 pm

I'm pretty sure as well that one of the scumteam is zwets.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:14 pm

Okay so I'm pretty sure you're the jailkeeper and all but just because you are a power role, does not make you all knowing and dictate the rest of this game. Your knowledge and advice are much more helpful than dictating orders.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:32 pm

It isn't so much what you're presenting, it's the way you're presenting it. If you can give me more reasoning exactly why we're ranked in that order, then I might be more down with the plan. I know why you think Ztife is scummy. Could you just outline exactly why everybody is in that order, I would much appreciate that. I think it would be very helpful.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:43 pm

Okay well obviously I know that I'm not scum so I disagree with my placement, but I would like to think that it wouldn't get down to me and that Ztife and zwets are the scumteam. Or at least one of them and Kreriov.

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:56 pm

SpyreX wrote:Camn, you need confirmed town power roles more often. I approve of your moxie.

Now you Zwetters: come on, join us. We can not be fought. We are legion. VP CamnX is just and will lead you to the promised land.

Really VP? I think some people do think this is Survivor...

hewitt · Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:10 pm

Uh, no. By Survivor, I meant someone confusing Mafia (a game where only the mafia manipulate, lie, and build alliances to confuse the town) with a reality TV show in which ALL players use manipulation, lying, and alliances to eliminate each other.

hewitt · Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:53 am

lol hey now i wasn't even lurking it was in my sig that i wouldn't be on until today. with that said...

camn your N4 is incorrect, ztife tried to put in the kill on you not me and yeah once ztife was lynched i was like oh damn i'm fucken screwed cause camn is going to jail zwets. i should've just not sent in a nightkill but i thought there was a chance that camn might've jailed me instead of zwets so i did it anyway lol.

whatever it was a fun game.

hewitt · Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:40 am

lol yeah if you didn't thwart our plans like every other night! haha after a while i was just like okay fuck this we need to get some night kills in or we're screeeewed...and we were lol.

hewitt · Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:49 am

lol it's aight. no hard feelings or anything, i obviously failed too.

hewitt · Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:46 am

Kmd4390 wrote:The division of the town, the counter claims, the scum being the lurkers watching the town tear itself apart...

i protest this. i don't really think i could be described as a lurker much this game. i voiced my opinion pretty much all the time.

hewitt · Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:52 am

hahaha yeah i'm NOT going to be posting drunk again i have done that one too many times lol. i loved how throughout the game i was pretty consistently on everybody's slightly scummier but not as scummy as so-and-so list. it made me chuckle.

hewitt · Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:04 pm

if there was one thing i could've changed about this game it would have been to nightkill vp right from the get-go.

hewitt · Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:28 pm

well we killed kmd N1 and got nobody N0. so we should've gotten em both out of the way really quickly.

shush vp i just complimented you.

hewitt · Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:13 pm

hahaha i would LOVE that! i would rock it lol.

hewitt · Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:17 pm

lol yes! please explain the gambit! because i did not get it at all.

hewitt · Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:14 am

i had actually planned on bussing ztife but the votes stacked on him so quickly before i had a chance to even interject any of my opinions that by the time i woke up in the morning he was at L-1 and i didn't want to hammer and make it obvious that i was scum bussing/hammering my scumbuddy.

hewitt · Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:15 am

and then the votes on me stacked up SO fast i didn't even get a chance to come back from ISU before i was lynched lol.