Mafia 90-Lolwat? Mafia, Game Over, Mafia Win

[Lowell]

/insane in the membrane

[Lowell]

Back. Catching up.

[Lowell]

vote rofl

. voting rofl early in games is the new black.

But really, the attacks on mafiasssk are no good. His thinking bandwagoning is bad isn't a problem for anyone but himself. rofl should know better.

[Lowell]

I want to bandwagon someone, but I'm not seeing the case on mafiassk or SC.

[Lowell]

Lowell's opinion is also mine.

unvote, vote numberfourteen

[Lowell]

Coug, that was probably the best analysis you've provided all game. I don't agree with your conclusion, since I don't think you've connected what happened to a strawman argument, and that's your reason for voting. Still, a good turn of play from you.

I'm going to drop a MASSIVE

HoS: Litral & Lowell

for trying to start a random wagon on a lurker instead of asking for a prod. There is no attempt to scum hunt here, and there is A LOT to analyze between myself, Coug, Yosarian, King, Rofl, and everyone else who's actually been participating. No one has any excuse for random voting like this.

I'm just bored. I want to get a solid wagon going on someone, and I don't like either of the two leading candidates.

[Lowell]

199 sounds a lot like giving up. Pending a vote-count I'll likely add my vote. Also, the jester talk is retarded.

In other news, I'm part of a

very large mason group

. I apologize, mason-buddies, if this is supposed to be a secret. But seeing as how I think there's little to no chance that you're all actually pro-town, I don't see the reason not to reveal this. Also claiming mason is like my favorite thing to do.

[Lowell]

oh hey lowell claimed mason. i believe him.

lowell, how large? and i'm guessing based on the wording of your post that your role pm does not gaurantee the alignment of your partners?

No, it doesn't. And, given the size of the group, having them all confirmed town would be way too much of an advantage.

That said, allow me to take a moment to rant on mixed mason groups.

THEY'RE POINTLESS

[/rant]

[Lowell]

Knight, off topic: Isn't that a Muse song? Does the name have any significance?

Yup. No significance though, I just like the name.

Lowell - may I ask, if you're in a mixed mason group, what, precisely, was the point of revealing it D1?

Fun.

[Lowell]

Again, I dont' know for certain it's a mixed group. I'm just assuming.

[Lowell]

Have I named anyone other than myself? Settle down. If there's one thing I know about this game, it's how to claim mason.

[Lowell]

God I love claiming mason. Some thoughts.

1) I opened a can of worms, clearly, that penguins jumped on. I'm not sure whether I'm happy or not. My question to

PoS: were you intending on outing the masons if I hadn't started the trend?

2) The reason I claimed mason originally (in addition to the fun of it) is that I wanted to preempt a mason defense by someone about to be strung up. I figured it would be a harder sell to let someone get to lynch - 1, have them claim mason, then have to jump in and explain why I can both confirm the claim but not the conclusion of the claim. I'd rather get the meta-discussions out of the way now rather than have to deal w/ them at deadline or near lynch, which would inevitably happen. I had no idea that PoS would jump on my posts the way she did.

3)

unvote

. I'm not opposed to lynching off masons to see what happens, but I agree with others on this.

vote vino

. His interest in the mason group (and who reveals who) exceeds any pro-town explanation.

[Lowell]

Oh, also, if you're at a party with

two

people named "penguins", you know the club has gotten too big.

[Lowell]

I vote for my mason buddies all the time, TBH. If they were in danger of lynch I wouldn't, but early on, certainly.

Also, TBH, I didn't even really read the list of mason partners in this game until just now when they started being outed. I got the PM, saw there were half a dozen names on it, and decided there were probably some scum there so it doesn't really matter who is in the group.

So if there's a reason to vote Yos, I'm not sure that's it.

[Lowell]

PoS might have been misguided to out everyone (I'm still not sure) but I don't think her motives are bad. If there's a mason-wagon to be had, I think it should be on yos or numberfourteen.

[Lowell]

@yos- to answer your question, I like to claim mason on D1 regardless of circumstances (same with miller). I'm of the general opinion that claiming mason puts burdens on scum that they don't want. I didn't know PoS would follow with outing the others.

[Lowell]

I also considered what we might become NK-bait. But then, it's so certain that at least one, if not more than one, of us is scum, that every time the scum nightkills a town mason, they are narrowing the field and exposing themselves. They'd be foolish to do that. Now I had not considered the issue of the SK; but since the SK is Yosarian, he too won't want to expose himself by targeting the masons for the NK.

Actually, you're still missing the point. The problem is that now the SK probably won't kill us, and instead, will be much more likely real town power roles, when I would much rather he would kill glorified townies like us.

This is back a couple of pages (end of 17) but I wanted to draw it to the front. This post sits

VERY

badly with me. FTR, if yos has information about the relative powerroles (or lack therof) of the masons, that is something that I, at least, do not know.

This is essentially the reason I wanted to claim so early in this case. I didn't want anyone yelling out "mason" in a crowded bandwagon to avoid a lynch. Yelling "glorified townie" is more or less the same.

I cannot think of a reason pro-town yos would have made this post.

unvote, vote yos

[Lowell]

I normally policy-lynch anyone who self-votes, but I won't this time. At least not until I think about it.

PoS, you need to consider the possibility that not all people on your wagon are scum.

If you're town, rest assured, we won't get along next game we meet.

[Lowell]

If you know who the scum is you had a responsibility to remain alive and help kill them. It was a bad move.

I won't vote PoS now. Believe it not I find her hysterical rantings interesting.

[Lowell]

EBWOP: I will vote her, however, if it comes to that. I'm content to let this play out for now.

[Lowell]

unvote

. I've thought about it, and I'm not willing to lynch a mason day 1.

[Lowell]

1) I just have a feeling that it would be a mistake to take out masons before scum have to make a NK choice. While I firmly believe there are scum on board, I tend to think the percentage is lower than in the general population. My guess is it might be only one scum (to be able to keep partners current on what masons are talking about), though two is a possibility as well. I've been in games where each scum had a special power (roleblocker/doc/etc) and one's power was being in the mason group. Not trying to outguess the mod, but that's my best guess for what is happening here.

2) I don't know the games, I'll look if I get around to it. The first time I claimed mason D1 I did it because I was under pressure in a mini, so I outed myself and my partner confirmed (though in that case we had each other confirmed as town by the mod). Scum ended up having to kill us because the field was so small they were getting too much heat, and town ended up winning as the powerroles lasted longer than they might have. Since then I've thought of it as a good play and have started claiming earlier.

[Lowell]

I missed this. Who is BSG replacing?

Mod

?

[Lowell]

I'm about 5 pages behind (since Saturday). I'll try to catch up by tomorrow.

[Lowell]

From page 24, where I left off:

575- numberfourteen points out KoCs erratic behavior [+, good]
577- alvinz enters, agrees w/ most people [-, mild scum vibes]
578- rofl votes KoC
583- KoC selfvotes [-, retarded]
584- Yos votes KoC
591- KoC begins writing in verse
598- GnKoichi points out ppl are getting rewarded for being dumb [+, true]
599- Vino reiterates his confusion [-, he doth protest too much]
601- honcho wonders about KoC's role [-, irrelevant, too meta]
603- Vino predicts oddity in setup [?]
609- PoS points out SC's light treatment of KoC in contrast to PoS [++, very good]
627- PoS votes emp for being useless
638- gnkoichi votes yos [-]
664- orange votes emp
667- GnKoichi rereads, votes Litral for page 6 behavior [+, a new argument!]
679- Vino reads too much in KoCs poetry [-, useless]
695- BSG summarizes [there couldn't be more penguins in this game]
697- SC fed up, votes KoC [-, why now?]
720s- mason PMs in thread [wtf?]
729- KoC posts PM in thread, asks for rap [?]
731- rofl votes litral
738- GnKoichi votes Lowell
784- PoS calls Litral, Emp, and GKoichi scum [+, good list]
795- PoS votes litral
798- yos votes litral
801- vino votes alvinz
807- gnkoichi votes PoS [-, "the" scum mason?]

Thoughts:

1) WTF? Are people posting PMs in thread now? Did I miss something?

2) I think KoC's PM post is a fake.

3) To reiterate. I will not be voting for a mason today, scummy or not.

4) Player by player:

#14

-

town mason

. His posting his PM is baffling, but even before then I had him leaning town. I like 575 and he's in general not done anything to get on my radar.

PoS

-

very town mason

. I just don't see the PoS as scum argument. She's been leading the charge a lot, and though I don't agree with the masons-should-never-vote-masons thing. 609 is a good post.

Vino

-

scummy

. There's no way this guy is as confused by everything as he would have us believe. I don't like how he spent so much time trying to figure out if KoC actually had a post restriction. Even if it's right, it's pointless. 599. 603, 679 all look like an effort to be "active" while avoiding actually doing anything. Post 801 comes out of nowhere (though I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment)

Head_Honcho

-

scummy

. If he's done anything town I haven't seen it. At least not recently. Like vino, 601 seems like derailment.

Empking's Alt

-

scummy

. He's lurking like hell.

tyhess

- who?

orangepenguin

-

meh

. I'm leaning town with him as well, but he doesn't make me feel as good as some of the other masons. Attacking emp isn't exactly profound.

Yosarian2

-

town mason

. I see the towniness in him.

roflcopter

-

meh

. The only thing that worries me is his relationship with PoS.

MafiaSSK

- ?

BSG

- great, more penguins. No opinion yet.

StrangerCoug

-

scum

. I very much like post 609. Why is SCs behavior so different when it comes to KoC than when PoS was self-voting? Why does it all of a sudden change in 697. It looks like coaching, followed by a "fuck it, bussing you"

Litral

-

scummy

. His early behavior is indeed strange. Good call by GnKoichi for bringing it up. Now he's lurking.

alvinz95

-

scummy

. I don't know why people are clearing him. He showed up in 577 to agree with almost everything said. He's done nothing else.

GnKoichi

-

??

. PoS may be barking up the wrong tree on this one. 598 and 667 are both very townish posts. 807 raises eyebrows, however. He writes "the" scum mason, as if he knows there's only one.

vote litral

. I'm willing to see where this goes. I'll

FOS SC, KoC, Vino, alvinz, and emp

. I'm happy to vote any of them, peferably in that order.

[Lowell]

It's going to be hard to find a replacement for someone we're close to stringing up.

I say we just get on with it and don't worry about a replacement.

[Lowell]

I'm willing to give the replacement a chance, but I'm not willing to move my vote off Litral yet. 35 pages of this already.

[Lowell]

They mean the same. I'm not moving my vote. If mod wants to find someone then fine, but I'm also happy just lynching him now.

[Lowell]

@BSG- repeat your question, I must have missed it.

[Lowell]

^^^ TBH I didn't do this. I assumed he would be modkilled until I read the rules more clearly. What post number is his claim so I can check again.

[Lowell]

Okay I think I found it. If PoS is referring to the PM listed by fourteen, I can confirm it is the same for me as well.

[Lowell]

Still here. Minimal internet until Tuesday.

[Lowell]

I'm going to be honest, if the majority of town continues to pussyfoot around, we're going to lose this game. I lost my first game here because town was completely incapable of defending themselves. I don't want to lose this game just because town doesn't care.

I think we're doing okay. This is a weird comment.

[Lowell]

Nothing about ThAdmiral's summary makes me want to unvote.

[Lowell]

i'll switch to empking at deadline if necessary

ditto this. although I'm not sure why it would be. What has ThAd done that's taken him off the chopping block?

[Lowell]

I still don't think it's a great idea to lynch a mason D1, different tho his PM may be.

[Lowell]

This is in no way a useful role. Vote stands.

As well, I have a sneaky suspicion that the mod gave fake-claims to scum, particularly in light of posting PMs being legal. Scum would be at a huge advantage if they didn't have something. So let's not take role claims too seriously, especially those that are unverifiable.

[Lowell]

K.

Knight of Cydonia- Cult Recruit killed N1
StrangerCoug- Alarmist killed N1
BSG- Townie killed N1

If I missed any night results, let me know.

Also, in the interest of fairness at this point as Natirasha was typing up fake claims for mafia as needed,

I am banning role PM quoting

. I really don't want this to turn into "Oh, that looks like a fake claim how armlx would write it, not Nat".

Also, please help me correct the player list if I missed any updates. Also, mass prod going out tomorrow, anyone who doesn't respond in thread in a week will be replaced (this part of the message will be in the prod as well).

Haha mod was making up fake claims? Dumb.

Step one is to look back over anyone who was too eager to claim and figure out why...

[Lowell]

vote emp

. I feel comfortable with this.

[Lowell]

Rofl: I think people are suggesting that the CR started with CMs.

With this post. Everyone stopped posting after that. You killed the game.

I don't know what any part of this means.

[Lowell]

on an unrelated note, if mafiassk doesn't post in say, the next 24 hours, i advocate an all out balls to the wall lurker lynch

I'd vote for gnkoici, I think.

I still think there's non-mason scum out there, so I'm again not going to vote for a mason today.

[Lowell]

at least someone is trying to keep the game moving. kudos you you, rofl.

I don't consider the CR recruiting masons to be much of a slip. With a billion masons in such a small game I find it hard to believe it can't happen. That the first recruit

wasn't

a mason is a little interesting, though. It suggests to me that the cult recruiter is probably not a mason. I think a mason recruiter would have recruited a fellow mason to start, assuming them less likely to die on D1 (also, making it easier and more plausible for the two of them to defend each other).

[Lowell]

shameless plug for my game in Mish Mash. Find it and sign up, and I won't vote for you.

Probably.

[Lowell]

I still don't really see the case on yos. The mason-recruiter thing doesn't mean that much to me.

[Lowell]

Well, I still think Head Hancho is the most likely suspect for cult recruiter. He's vanished, so it's hard to say anything new about him, but I still want to lynch him today.

I could be swayed in favor of this idea, I think. Tell me again why he's scummy?

[Lowell]

I'm just chillin', waiting on a proper bandwagon.

[Lowell]

What happened with emp? Why is that no longer the right play?

[Lowell]

My attitude is that scum are inside the mason group, we're all outed anyway, so there's no real point in talking about things.

[Lowell]

I think PotS laying low is more likely an indicator she was recruited.

From personal experience, when I've been recruited I tend to quit on the game and just coast through.

(cue lowell lurking jokes)

[Lowell]

Oh right. Nevermind.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote yos

for the sake of something happening, and because, sadly, rofl is the one I trust the most at this point.

[Lowell]

yos, I don't like the honcho idea. I've tried to see it your way, but honestly his posts mostly look good to me.

[Lowell]

Well, both one-shot vigs and normal every night vigs are common, normal roles; every night vigs are probably more common. Why?

Well, I'm of the opinion that we must have a vig (I'm not familiar with the alarmist role, if that could have caused him to get himself killed let me know), since 3 non town factions with night kills plus a cult recruiter would be kind of absurd. Anyway, my take on the situation is: scum needs to kill the cult recruiter, and vig needs to kill the cult recruiter. Why don't we let them do it, and as a town focus on lynching scum? If we mislynch today, it does not look like the odds are with us.

Well, it would obv be better if we lynch the CR today then if the vig kills the CR tonight, since if he gets to tonight another townie gets culted.

Beyond that; if we hunt the CR today, narrow down the possibilities of who it is, but end up getting it wrong, it really increases the odds of the vig hitting the CR tonight (or the scum to, I guees, although I hate to count on the scum). If we follow your suggestion and just don't worry about the CR at all today, how is the vig supposed to find the CR tonight?

This post is entirely, bizairrely meta. Are we really talking about the relative advantages of killing scum role X vs scum role Y? To think that we're good enough as a town to not only know how to do this is a stretch.

Every time you bring this up I can't help but think it's a way to avoid talking about something else.

[Lowell]

I'm saying the whole notion of us being able to tell the difference between cult and mafia at this point in crazy. If there was someone I was sure was mafia, you can bet I would be lynching them. That you're not is strange to me.

[Lowell]

^^^^ This whole post still seems like a stretch. Even if you were

sure

OP was anti-town due to his play (I've looked, and I don't see it), it could just as well be cult as scum. Either way, he just doesn't want his buddies to be killed, right?

yos is looking worse every post.

[Lowell]

^^^^ This whole post still seems like a stretch. Even if you were

sure

OP was anti-town due to his play (I've looked, and I don't see it), it could just as well be cult as scum. Either way, he just doesn't want his buddies to be killed, right?

Dude, are you reading this game? The cult recruiter dosn't have any buddies right now, that's the point, and even if he did he wouldn't stick his neck out for them.

Okay I'm tired of this line of conversation, but nonetheless. Yes, I understand one has buddies and one doesn't. But OP-scum's happy bandwagoning wouldn't imply that he doesn't have any scumbuddies, only that they weren't the focus of the wagon. Either way, if I were pretty sure OP were anti-town, I'd lynch him.

Regardless, I'll try to put a post together to get some action back in this game, if I can. Sometime next week.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote empking

. So is no one going to do this unless I start it?

[Lowell]

fine.

unvote, vote: empking

don't blame me if yos recruits me tonight and we go on to win in spectacular fashion.

Well we'll know if tomorrow you suddenly don't want yos dead!

[Lowell]

I think the odds of the CR being a mason is low. An SK AND a cult recruiter seems to ridiculous.

vote alvinz

. So I remember he's there.

[Lowell]

@rofl- wasn't yos obvscum?

[Lowell]

I feel underwhelmed by your decrees is all I'm saying.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote vino

. Again I'll do what rofl says.

alvinz is hilarious. If he's avoiding lynch as cult leader by claiming cult recruit, I'm going to laugh. One thing I have noticed about vino though is that he's coming out of his shell a little bit as the game goes on, being a little more assertive. That fits with CR, I guess.

[Lowell]

Eh I was thinking from that last post that it's not vino. I think if we wait long enough alvinz is going to give us the answer.

[Lowell]

Yeah okay vino is fine. What's the vote count?

[Lowell]

aight I'll probably hammer at some point.

Can I ask what happened to H_H? Why did that bandwagon dissolve?

[Lowell]

H_H, I'd be more careful were I scum/CR. Just sayin'

[Lowell]

^^^^ there's no way this post happens if he was using reverse psychology.

It's HH, Vino, or rofl.

I'll lynch either of the first two.

[Lowell]

Except that scum presumably will have to kill him tonight anyway.

[Lowell]

So no one killed alvinz? Retarded.

[Lowell]

hahaha bold. I like it.

vote head honcho

[Lowell]

OP, it's honcho

[Lowell]

I'm here and will lynch anyone. I don't really care or know what's going on.

[Lowell]

fine.

unvote, vote gnkoichi

[Lowell]

What do we need? One more? Two?

[Lowell]

No one recruited, investigated, NKed, or lynched me for HOW many days?

I can't help but feel unloved. So masongroup had an SK and a mafia member in it. Just like we more or less suspected.

Out of curiosity, armlx, what made you add a mason group to this game?