Mafia 93 - A Roccisi Summer - Over!
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Well, let me be clearer.
(Policy, yea yea)
If OGB AND Mufasa are both town I will eat my hat.
If they are both town and are left alive we will lose.
One hangs, one hopefully dies. OGB first just because mufasa claimed, poorly, a role.-
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I could see a few scum-maneuvers for the pants-on-head retardation we've seen from Mufasa that would be BRILLIANT. Thus, I doubt its there. So, he IS probably town.
However, are you ready for this, the fact he's claimed JOAT without the vig REALLY makes me think we have a separate vig around. If you shot him I wouldn't shed a tear.
That said.
I'm fairly confident in OGB being scum. Furthermore, if he is, like I think... at least one of those early votes is scum. I will be doing a more detailed analysis, but it would be too creamy to not jump on and jump on fast if your partner decided to go dangle over the ledge just asking for a push.
I would like to get him lynched BEFORE I do the full analysis but initial reads look poorly on Sera and X (to a degree).
Caboose, despite the twitching, looks alright as of now.-
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Maybe if we all hold hands and pray I can get a multi-daykill and fix this mess. Because holy hell in a handbasket.
OGB - dead man walking.
Mufasa - your ass better find a way to fix your mess or get killed. Either or works for me (HINT VIG THIS IS ME DIRECTING YOU).
Caboose - what the hell is your fixation with an alvins wagon?
Sera - IF (OGB = scum && Mufasa = town) THEN (Seraphim = dead)
Additionally:
(Darkdude / HowardRoark / skitzer)
Chance of at least 1 scum* in this grouping: 85%
*Something about the way this whole mess is going down + size of game makes me :tinfoil: on two scum groups / sk / other roles that do not win with the town.
There's some obvtowns around. YOU DONT GET TO KNOW WHO UNTIL ALL NAMES ABOVE HATH BEEN ELIMINATED.
It is written.
It is done.-
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His one post is a vote for Korts under the grounds of a "contrived case" against Seraphim and a FoS on charter for spaghetti.iaun wrote:The other two, totally, but I'm missing what's putting Howard in such esteemed company.
On Seraphim. One post. Defensive. Not even explaining the contrived.
Thats enough for me.
By god I love you rofl.i would like to see all of the people voting any of ogb, skitzer and seraphim decide on a consensus candidate and pile all of the votes that are spread between these three onto one of them. much better way of doing business.
i'm still for ogb getting the noose.
See the above. This. Do this. (Pick OGB)
As an aside: Axel is really rubbing me the wrong way. That is for far later down the road.-
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Wow, thats some severe lack of reading all the words right there mix.
Mind you, I disagree and would much rather see OGB "there's no motive for this but scum" get hung versus "I am a pants-on-head tard" today.Last line in what you quote but apparently didn't read wrote:Mufasa is the town's best candidate for a lynch today.He claimed when not under pressure. He can't keep his claim straight. He's clearly not a JOAT. When someone lies about their role, they are scum. If they are town and lying about it, they are helping the scum by risking a counterclaim by a real townie. His lynch would give mediocre information, but we're not lynching him for information. We're lynching him to win. No idea how likely it is we have a vig. I'm not interested in letting him live tonight and hoping we have a vig and hoping the vig kills him.
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I've got a quick minute, so I want to clarify something and make it clear.
Mufasa is not the correct lynch today. Or, maybe ever. The way this has went down DOES bespeak a more than decent chance of him being town.
However, ready for this, that doesn't change the fact I would want him vig'd. Sooner than later. For a couple reasons which I can't believe I'm going to actually explain:
1.) The elimination of mufasa on a night where the is another kill lends credence to a vig (or at the very least a pro-town sk woot).
--- This is because, get this, this clusterfuck is going to be a talking point for scum to hide amongst forever - and a valid one becausetownare going to do it to.
2.) As much as I'd love to hit scum, worthless townies are a bronze medal. Even with the power role, he sits firmly in this camp.
3.) Not only are the roles unconfirmable but in this instance its like giving a baby a bazooka - guaranteed, if I'm right, they will do more harm than good.
So, if I'm right and he's town - shoot him for the above.
I'f I'm wrong and he's scum - well, the shot nabs us a scum.
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And every step of the way was stupider and stupider. True. That doesn't make it less truthful - in fact, the sheer volume of stupid (not to be confused with scummy) lends to bad town versus bad scum.But the problem with Mufasa's claim is how he claimed it. he claimed under no pressure, and clearly didn't have a good hold of what his role actulaly was, so he ended up tweaking it a few times. yes, the final role he has finally decided on is plausible, but the method he took to get there isn't really truthful.
Not that it changes the fact a bullet would do his cortex wonders in this game.-
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Probably because I want him dead.
There's some definite parsing to do with 3 scum flips already. I hope to get to it tonight.
I will give you this to start:
OozingGolfBall (12): roflcopter, SpyreX, ekiM, Mixologist, alvinz95, iamausername, tubby216, charter, Starbuck, Korts, Axelrod, Mufasa
I 100% guarantee you there is at least ONE Russian on this list. Probably 2.
Additionally I think there is an Italian on there as well.
I've got a little :tinfoil: that there might be a third scum group, not a SK/Vig - and at least one of those three exist or something really weird is going on.
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Time to grease this pig, old school.
*Most of this analysis is based on the assumption that the scum can kill normally and that is not tied to the 1-shot vig in some way.
So, to the facts:
- OozingGolfBall, 1-Shot Vigilante, Member of The Russian Mafia:
- inHimshallibe, Godfather, Member of Upper Roccisi Neighborhood, Member of the Italian Mafia:
- ThAdmiral, Doctor, Member of The Italian Mafia
-- OozingGolfBall (12): roflcopter, SpyreX, ekiM, Mixologist, alvinz95, iamausername, tubby216, charter, Starbuck, Korts, Axelrod, Mufasa
* Assumption 2: Scum did communicate before the game to the point they knew what abilities they were working with.
OGB, being a vig (even if one shot) is an incredibly useful scum role. Thus, he is NOT an early candidate for bussing.
(Note: Yes this changes my stance from before about early votes being suspect. It isn't worth lynching a vig if you have other avenues)
So, I would remove from my list ofobviousRussian candidates: charter, korts, rofl.
On the flip side, the first person to come to OGB's defense in any fashion is: Caboose.
Now, we're going to play ebb and flow. The interplay between the Mufasa wagon and the OGB wagon will catch us at LEAST a scum.
So, a few things.votes wrote:OozingGolfBall (3): roflcopter, X, SpyreX
Mufasa (3): charter, Seraphim, iamausername
Mufasa (4): charter, iamausername, Mixologist, Starbuck
OozingGolfBall (4): roflcopter, X, SpyreX, ekiM
Mufasa (5): charter, iamausername, Mixologist, Starbuck, skitzer
OozingGolfBall (4): roflcopter, X, SpyreX, ekiM
Mufasa (4): charter, Mixologist, Starbuck, skitzer
OozingGolfBall (4): roflcopter, X, SpyreX, ekiM
OozingGolfBall (6): roflcopter, X, SpyreX, ekiM, Mixologist,inHimshallibe
Mufasa (4): charter, Starbuck, skitzer, OozingGolfBall
Mufasa (7): charter, Starbuck, skitzer, OozingGolfBall, X,ThAdmiral,inHimshallibe
OozingGolfBall (5): roflcopter, SpyreX, ekiM, Mixologist, alvinz95
OozingGolfBall (5): roflcopter, SpyreX, ekiM, Mixologist, alvinz95
Mufasa (3): charter, OozingGolfBall, ThAdmiral
OozingGolfBall (6): roflcopter, SpyreX, ekiM, Mixologist, alvinz95, iamausername
Mufasa (2): charter, OozingGolfBall
OozingGolfBall (12): roflcopter, SpyreX, ekiM, Mixologist, alvinz95, iamausername, tubby216, charter, Starbuck, Korts, Axelrod, Mufasa
People that stuck to OGB like glue (aka, not Russians):
Rofl, SpyreX, ekiM.
People that, aren't Italians if the Italians are smart at all:
charter, Starbuck, skitzer.
People that jumped wagons (and this gets interesting):
Mixologist, Starbuck, iaun.
^^^
In that group above I'm fairly certain we have another Russian. Someone who jumped when it was obvious they weren't going to get their mislynch and wanted to try and get some townie cred.
They'd be, most likely, a point-of-no return vote. After there was no way of salvaging it you'd want to try and blend on the wagon.
And, of course, I know who it is. Do you?
Vote: Starbuck
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Part Two:
Now, this is important. There was, with high probability, three kill attempts last night.
1.) The Russians - one of the Italians
2.) The Italians - Blocked / ?
3.) ? - one of the Italians.
#2 -could- be explained by Korts being blocked. Or, depending on the resolution timing, the fact the other mafioso's got killed. This I'm not sure about.
#3 though worries me. If its a vig, which I doubt more and more, they -REALLY- shot from the hip. An SK makes more sense as those are low-profile targets that have a definite chance of getting away with clean. Or, another freakin mafia group.
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I've got more random notes I'll try to compile later. This is plenty for now.
Starbuck is probably a Russian. I would, really, rather hit an Italian today but I'll take whats standing there.
I would also happily lynch: darkdude, caboose, axelrod, tubby, howard, skitzer.
Mufasa could still use that bullet.-
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Good lord I'm taking a nap before I delve into this.
@Korts: Apparently your page 1 vote for OGB, which was right in the mix of charters real vote / rofls real vote wasn't real or you dont remember it. Either way, thats fine and definitely removes you from your list.
@Rofl: I was catching up and my major concern with Sera is the pressure he's got from other scummy players. It doesn't speak right for a bus setup.
And I didn't ignore Korts OR Axel. Korts's early vote made me find a bus unlikely and I'd lynch Axel. Just wasn't a bandwagon jumper in the classic sense.-
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And I'm not doubting the existance of a vig. Far from it. The fact that mufasa doesn't have that role in his Joat makes me think all the more there IS a vig.
I am saying that I do not think last nights mysterious kill was a vig.-
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Ok, so maybe that nap went a little long and then madness.
However, back to the fray:
I'll freely admit he's town.rofl wrote:because no, he should not be shot, he is a town power role and thats even more evident today than it was yesterday
i suddenly understand why spyrex is on tubby's shortlist
spyrex also notably left charter off of the list of people who jumped wagons when he is the most blatant wagon jumper, being gung ho for an ogb lynch until mufasa comes along and is suddenly ZOMG THE ONLY PERSON WE CAN LYNCH BCUZ HES SO DUMB
I also raise you that I freely admit I do not want him here at endgame.
However, the lynch shouldn't be wasted on him.
As for charter. I understand the "kill the idiot" mentality. That doesn't change he was the first to jump on OGB and it wasn't ever an issue of "OGB is cool now." it was "Kill this one, THEN kill this one."
Which I dig.
You are 100% correct. After rereading and sleeping again its pretty obvious both of those were decent shots. So.rofl wrote: spy, why do you feel the need to cast doubt on a vig claim that hasn't even happened yet? the fact that this third kill source did not take out the target you and charter tried to convince him/her/them to does not mean they're anti town. there was a significant level of legitimate suspicion leveled at inhim yesterday, and i can completely understand a thorough vig evaluating admiral during the night and deciding to ice him, so neither of those kills is really "shooting from the hip" just because they're not the kill you wanted made.
Now, I dont get "WHY DONT YOU FIND ME SCUMMY" when you were an early vote and are forgetting it. Which is fine.Korts wrote:I don't follow this train of thought. I was a late addition to the wagon, I could be a hypothetical partner bussing. Also, if you don't think bussing is likely, why aren't early additions to this wagon on your list of unlikely Russians? ekiM, for instance. You mention him a few paragraphs later, but why not in this list?
I get the feeling you're just trying to appeal to the most aggressive scumhunters here.
Again, why is my early defense of OGB ignored?
SpyreX, you make no mention of Seraphim. Do you think he's not scummy at all?
However, "appealing to the aggressive scum hunters"? Really.
It should come as no shock that due to play rofl and charter feel town through and through. You, however, are on my list of "probably not Russian" due to positioning only. Definitely not play.
As for Sera:
I couldn't see the trees for the forest.Rofl wrote:two scumgroups means it doesn't have to be a bus, it could just be russian mafia happy to lynch non russian. i would think you would have realized this. go take your nap and come back.
Everything else aside.
Unvote, Vote: Seraphim.
This is bad.Sera wrote:Most of your case consists solely of ThAdmiral making mentions to me. However, up until now, I don't think I've ever mentioned Admiral in ANY of my posts. ThAd was most likely, like you say in regards to darkdude, laying groundwork for future mislynches.
Also, you seem to be missing something rather obvious...the OTHER member of the Italian Mafia killed last night. You say it looks like distancing, but I have been attacking him since he started posting. If he hadn't died last night, I would been voting for him today.
Your entire case provides absolutely no real proof that I am scum. All your evidence is circumstantial and hinges on the fact that I am Italian Mafia. What if I'm Russian Mafia? What if I'm town? What if I'm an SK?
As for buddying up, yes, in larger games, I do have a tendency to buddy up with players I have a town read on and feel are experienced, both of which I feel from you. I did this in WIH. You know that.
I feel like partially claiming... So, I will. I am a member of the Lower Roccisi Neighborhood. My neighbor doesn't need to claim and confirm me if he doesn't want to out himself. Discuss.
1.) One way connections are going to be more prevalent in early game scum than two-way. Especially an over correction - see your "I didn't EVER mention ThAd" which is just as off.
2.) What does A have to do with B? You ignored one partner and bussed the other knowing full well there was a snowballs chance in hell of it being a lynch yesterday.
3.) Why, lord, why would you put a mafia ahead of town. Or even put that at all.
4.) Meta is awesome.
5.) You claimed the part of your role that means, get this, absolutely nothing considering the flips. Like, somehow, this will exonerate you.
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Yep, and its starbuck.Tajo wrote: I would bet there is at least one scum in this group.
@Sera:
I just happened to not bold when I called BS on your defense to begin with. Claiming your neighborhood under the grounds of scum wont be in each neighborhood isn't worth the paper its written on.-
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Caboose has been scummy. Yes.Alvinz wrote:Ok... this is complete BS.
Claim vanilla.
Caboose says he has information without a claim and EVERYONE believes him despite his ridiculously scummy behavior? What reason do we have to believe Caboose? How do we know Caboose is a pro-town role information role? What have I done besides -not do anything- which IS MY META, that is scummy? How am I the 'best' option today? Are you guys saying that all your other suspects have weak cases? If we are even believing Caboose, how is skitzer a worse option than me? From what I've read, there's is more evidence supporting a skitzer lynch.
This is a very unbased lynch full of a bunch of wagoners. There are many holes in this wagon that have not been answered yet. I sense a speed-lynch. Answer those questions and I'll accept the town's mistake, if you don't you guys are just plain stupid.
However, this is nowhere near lylo and Caboose has, inherently, offered himself up for the wolves if you are scum. Moreso, the chances of this being a bus considering he has said he has TWO scum hits is just too much to not take up.
You, of your own accord, have done very little. You are a litmus test that, one way or another, should bag scum.
Especially considering you're vanilla this is about as win-win as you can get.
(But, I'll give you that this has been a pretty unabashed list of wagoners - ultimately no one is getting 'cred' for this wagon. This is simply testing a PR)-
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I'm tired and its early and we're talking about MASONS JOY...but, one question:
1.) The hell does this confirm anyone? I dont see in that role any notification that they are confirmed to each other.
Now, chances are high this is true, but the game of out the "mason" win a prize when the prize could be ants covered in bears isn't too hot.-
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The hell did you claim a "killing" role for at this point? Sigh.
And yes, there is a noticeable contextual difference between neighbor and neighbors.
Additionally, if you do not KNOW your partner is town AND there is evidence that at least some neighbors have powers - how does trying to out your partner equate to a scum move (*especially when the person says they think you're lying about being in a neighboorhood to begin with).
But, finally, why lord would you do this when mr.dude has put on his kamikaze hat and is rarin to die.-
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... the HELL do you want to know who he's going to investigate? Really?
If you're planning on taking a shot (which is about the ONLY town reason I can think of for asking such a ridiculous question) then accept the ramifications that you might shoot wrong.
As it is, well, if you don't claim an actual for reallies killin' role then you're dead. Period. There is no other reason to make that statement.
(OHH SHI SPYREX ROLEFISHING ENTER BLATHER HERE)-
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We're gonna be real clear about this:Sera wrote:I have a gun, alright? I just can't use it yet. If Caboose is a gunsmith(which is still possible), then I will come up guilty. This is the sole reason I wanted to know who he was targeting. I suppose I didn't need to know who he was targeting and should've simply made the statement.
Are you going to be able to shoot tonight? Yes/No.
This question is for answering.
I questioned it a little as well but, ultimately, throwing yourself out like that with not one but TWO scum hits is win-win for town even if you don't believe 100%.Caboose wrote:He questions my claim, but he still votes. Bussing?
Stating the obvious != rolefishing. The existence of a Godfather DOES, normally, imply the existence of investigative roles. This does nothing to try to get them to oust themselves.Caboose wrote: Rolefish
+scumpoints for ekiM
Yes.Caboose wrote:I agree.
+scumpoints for Howard
Yes.Caboose wrote: +lots of russian mafia points for darkdude
I can see a myriad of reasons for scum to make this statement and few for a town to leave it at that.darkdude wrote: I believe Seraphim's claim.-
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...Unvote, Vote: Seraphim
If you can't kill tonight then there was absolutely no reason aside from self-preservation to ask the damn cop if he was going to, in essence, investigate you.
I would still lynch dark as well but holy hell.-
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Just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean its there. Additionally, a minor point like that IS classic wiggling room to escape a lynch. Not happening unless, after the game, I know your inquiry is honest.Why must it wait? It's supposed to be something incriminating, right? If you cannot reveal it you cannot say it is a point against me.
I just see no reason why me saying that I believe seraphim's claim is scummy. I knew why I had votes before due to lurking and not doing much, but this is something I don't understand.
The neighbor would help issues, but regardless something needs to be done asap.-
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God thank you X. X is tech. Do NOT let Sera control your damn kill as it sits.
And, the whole "gunsmith" thing considering the group of you has a gun and not one of you sits even odder but:
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I'm not saying anything as you as a player(believe me I dont dig that).
I'm saying simply that the play is questionable enough that I wouldn't trust you with a bullet at the mo'.-
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Sera thoguht I was attacking THEM as a person/player. I clarified I wasn't. We then held hands a little bit and made up because Sera is fine by me.
It doesn't change anything in regards to the game as whole, just a reminder we're playing with human beings.-
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It does as long as you dont just give open ended statements.
You are town, give all the reasoning you can with the understanding that players are taking it without the normal grain of salt that it is some kind of scum machinations pushing it.-
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@Dark:
I am totally serious. You're going to be lynched. IF you are town (which I doubt), just read along and when its done I (and others I'd imagine) would be more than happy to explain what is up.-
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I'm surprised by IAUN's flip.
I'm also more than a little surprised howard is "town".
I do agree with a lot of Kort's post - the problem is we have one who is confirmed and I'm just not feelin the mojo from Ek or X.
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I like Kort's last set of posts, a lot - sans the fact MY name keeps getting brought up of course.SpyreX's opinions haven't changed much since post 196. That piques my suspicion a bit, because in the game that I was Mafia, I wrote a suspicion list early in the game, and referred back to it before writing posts. SpyreX is still suspicious of HowardRoark and Seraphim, albeit for more developed reasons. SpyreX, what do you think of Korts and Lowell?
Lowell is skating still.
I see what tajo is saying, but I have a really hard time stomaching killing a claimed cop. I need to think about that a bit more.-
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I'm not diggin' the Caboose hunt.
However I can and do follow Kort's logic behind Caboose fairly well - except for the fact its almost Shrodinger's NK: by stating it SHOULD happen, it now most likely will not.
I'll freely admit I'm still having a hard time getting back into the swing of things this game. I still have a high-level of distrust for Lowell and the real absence of anything concrete and useful.-
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This is true. Alvinz really had no reason to single me out in that instance unless he was trying to push me off the wagon (or, well, do exactly what he did here).Korts wrote:- alvinz ISO 10: he mentions rofl and SpyreX as the exceptions to the statement that everyone on his wagon has "either wagonned, done little, or [has] acted scummy". In contrast, SpyreX's reason is no better than a lot of the people who voted alvinz simply because of Caboose's results; there is also no prior suspicion from SpyreX regarding alvinz, in fact the only mention of alvinz from SpyreX is
NotKorts wrote:- in SpyreX ISO 5, where he tries to derail Caboose's early fixation with alvinz.derailpersay, but more simplyunderstand- looking at Caboose's day 1 alvinz play only makes sense with the knowledge that he is a cop. Without it, it appears like either a cop out from talking about the actual cases going on OR a very poorly done bus.
So, I asked him why he was fixated because he was fixated.
This is still built around the premise of another existing Russian, but it DOES make sense considering the natural inclination to spread suspicion. However, I think he used it as the flip-side of the WIFOM jungle: to try and get a mislynch down the road.Korts wrote:- in alvinz' final outbreak post, he claims that there are at least 3 scum on his wagon; superimposing the dead players' list on the alvinz-voters' list, that leaves 3 out of 4. Even considering that there can't be 3 more Russian scum I doubt alvinz was completely bluffing; in addition I doubt that at that point (cop guilty on alvinz) Russians would have tried anything else but fervent bussing; therefore the assumption is that if there are any Russians left, which I suspect to be true, they're likely among the four living alvinz-voters. One of them is SpyreX.
More of the above manipulations by scum. I'm not sure why IAUN didn't mention me much - the flipside is I didn't mention him much because I thought he was town. Almost as sure as I was of Rofl.Korts wrote: - no relevant mention of SpyreX from iamausername, despite the fact that they were both active users.
Ohh hell yes if I was scum I would have been on that wagon early. Thus why even I think at least one of the earlier votes are scum. When you add in the existance of a second group there's probably scum all over that wagon - low risk lynches day 1 are tech.Korts wrote:The fact that he was on OGB's wagon pretty early could easily have been pre-planned for town cred, or otherwise an early realization that he was a useless weight on the Russian mafia's shoulders.
Ultimately, I follow this. There's really no misrepresentations of whats happened - just incorrect conclusions on WHY its happened.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again - my play has been sub-par. For whatever reason I just can't "bite" into this. If I'm going to get strung up give me enough time to do a full analysis and we can go from there.-
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I sat and reread this entire game. More than once.
And I actually came to a few realizations, as well as probably the rest of the Italian Mafia.
So, to start this is what we've been looking at:
Russians:
OozingGolfBall, 1-Shot Vigilante, Russian Mafia
alvinz95, Multitasker, Upper Roccisi Neighborhood, Russian Mafia
iamausername, 1-Shot Vigilante, Russian Mafia
Italians:
inHimshallibe, Godfather, Upper Roccisi Neighborhood, Italian Mafia
ThAdmiral, Doctor, Italian Mafia
So, I'm going to go on record and say that I bet the Russians are dead. So, last night we had a Russian Kill / Italian Kill / ? Kill
My reasoning for this is simple: Balance. Having an extra shot, albeit it even one, is one of the most powerful tools a scum team could have. The Russians have had two.
However, I'm going to also go on record with this: This setup isn't symmetrical. With what we've seen from the Italians I'm not buying into a 4:4 setup. Its 3:4 or even perhaps 3:5 (I personally lean 3:4). The Italians are a more conventional (if not strong) mafia: they had a doctor to protect against the myriad of kills, a godfather to mess with investigations (which helps affirm caboose since there has been no CC) and I'd imagine the other two are PR's as well.
So, with that said, who do I think they are?
Charter & Mixologist (Lowell)
Lets take a look back at our compatriots:
Charter was fairly, to me, pro-town day 1. However, there's a few problems. Charter was fairly adamant in his scumcalls early:unvote, vote OGB
No one cares. You're only trying to fire up wild goose chases instead of hunt scum or take a stance on anything in the RVS.I think Caboose, Seraphim, and OGB are all scumbuddies.Caboose is scum too by the way.AHAHAHAHAHA
Prolly copied from the front page. Good catch. Lynch Mufasa, then lynch Caboose.
but THEN (in the same post as above) we get:Yep, Howard is scum too. All of this is just there to sound good, more not adding anything to the stew. Once again, no conclusions drawn other than his vague baseless assertation of my play being "questionable", whatever that is supposed to mean.
Now, thats the first FOS this game, and after the above fire it really stands out. Lets continue:FOS Mixologist for 221. That post was a huge pile of fitting in with the crowd.
It seems like quite the preparation for an inevitable doc claim coming from someone.Absolutely. Not all games have a doc. I'd probably want to lynch this person.
Again, considering what happened this seems even MORE funny. Part of me thinks the last MIGHT have been an Italian vig. Double-plus bonus if Charter is said vig.I'd also like to say, that Mufasa later said he couldn't vig. Something the mafia cannot fake easily. Just increases his scumminess tenfold.
Then, of course:
Another FOS. On a flipped Italian. Hmmmm. He does rectify this in his next post (saying he's an outright scumbag) but then we move to:FOS inHim.
I am running out of FOS's. SpyreX, help me!
Again. Seriously.I don't think I've ever seen scum try and claim vig. They're more than welcome to try though, but I bet it won't work.
Then the late vote on OGB (which fits my Italian / Russian idea).
This is up to post 23ish of his 44 (all Day 1)
Then, after lynch right back on Mufasa. Not the vote, but its back there. A decent amount of back-and-forth about Sera.
A couple that stand out:
Which is interesting when you consider ThAdmirals very relaxed attitude around Charter (especially considering the "lynch the doc" business / ThAd being a doc).post 356- I don't think there is anything to get from ThAd. I agreed with a bunch of what he said, which makes me think he probably didn't say anything about his mafia partners (or innoculous things or just very little)
I do see why you think Caboose and ThAd could be partners, but early on it looked like Caboose and OGB could be partners, so Caboose could be a great lynch regardless.
I think you're reading too much into what ThAd posted, I don't think he left that many blatent links to buddies.
So we come out to Day 3:
Mufasa was a crutch for the 5 fairly low content day 2 posts.THANK YOU WHOEVER KILLED MUFASA. Now I can return to catching scumbags full time.
vote darkdude for his last ditch attempt to save alvinz.
If Caboose has a better lynch candidate, I'm all ears.
Should rofl's mason buddy claim? I think he should.
Then the business with the mason claim (which DOES make sense for scum to do - its nice to know who the confirmed town IS so you dont approach them in the incorrect way).
Then we get this today:
The italics really is a setoff post. That IS what Charter has done with Mix thus far...Currently thinking ekim or tajo is scum. Tajo's first read of everyone had both ThAd and inHim as prob town. For whatever reason, was devoid in lynching Alvinz.
ekim, his darkdude vote, 484, I feel like that was a giant pile of trying to fit in. He never mentioned inHim. He had this wierd addition to my back and forth with ThAd day one.
vote ekim
Think he's more likely to be scum.
and to end:
Yea.That paraphrase Seraphim/X. Don't forget it. Also, both of you need to do it, in your own words. I don't want a hammer before this.I really don't care if Mixologist posts or not, there's really little room for him to be scum in this game.
Also, and I feel a bit dirty about this modfom: Mixologist IS a Power Role OR Scum (or both). Why else would you PM a mod during night? However, with what we've seen from the town roles....
Additionally, Lowell has provided little actual "content". Oddly enough his list gives charter a townvibe but he somehow doesn't make his list of pro-town players...
I feel pretty damn confident about this. Far more than I do with whats been happening today so far.
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