Gieff wrote:Mastin, are you still happy with your vote for BM?
At the moment?
Yea.
But I'm twelve pages behind. Just caught up in another game, and this one's tab was the closest to that one (They're right next to each other, even. That one's to the right of this one).
Might change in that time, will see eventually.
Does anybody have a link to a similarly-sized all-vanilla game, or can somebody more experienced with vanilla setups (or Yaw's preferences/knowledge of vanilla setups) shed some light?
Closest I've got is Lynch All Lurkers, 18 players double day with four scum.
Jammer wrote:Looking for scum-slips and tells.
One should use every tool available to scum hunt. Not just slips/tells. Amongst others is the NK and the speculation about that.
I'm confident that it'll help catch scum.
And wifom based on that, not on what died, and wifom based on that.
Can you name anything in any game that isn't proven fact that can't be considered wifom, jammer?
It might be wifom.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't look into it.
Lynching based on who died, are you considering that?
Due to metagaming being a powerful tool ('cept on me. Nobody has my meta nailed down, because it fluctuates too much.), yea, I would. The scummiest person who (at the very least, half-)fits the profile I have for directing the kill to Hascow will be who I vote.
If they don't fit the profile, they might've followed as scum, sure.
But I think that it'd be better to find who would lead a Hascow night-kill.
Based on what died. Who seems a good candidate doing that according to you? And who not.
BM and Sensfan both know Hascow, and both would very easily direct the scum kills.
Vote: GIEFF
Seems kinda OMGUS, despite Gieff's unvote.
DDD wrote:I'm in the Sens/Zach camp that NK speculation offers no substantial benefit and several potential harms.
And to me, it offers several potential benefits, and almost no substantial harms.
Gieff wrote:Mastin, are you still happy with your vote for BM? (I know I already asked this, but wanted to make sure it didn't slip through the cracks)
Patience is a virtue. You only need to say it once; once I get around to respond to it, I'll notice it the first time.
Yes, for the moment, I am.
Zach wrote:These posts establish an attempt by Mastin to both clear himself based on the nightkill and gather scum suspects based on the nightkill.
And I never lie about matters such as that, even as scum.
I'm an honorable player.
The proof is in my recent anti-town games.
I'd *never* Night-kill a person like Hascow with *far* better targets around.
The
way is if I was overrided by a player that I hold huge respect for. I gave, in my list before, who those people are.
And even then, it's doubtful that I'd allow them to.
Also, gathering suspects based off of the unusual night-kill--->Hugely pro-town. At that stage in the game, it is *definitely* the best possible way to find scum. Later on, scum tells become important, sure.
But this is something which
-Is all I had
-And will remain a good tool throughout the game.
Like Sensfan pointed out not too far back in the game, what's up with all this nightkill speculation?
Finding scum.
That's what.
Control of the game based on the nightkill seems to be Mastin's motive,
As scum, I don't control the game based off of the night-kill.
I control the game by bussing my partners heavily, making me look better, or them look better, buddying/ignoring pro-town players, confusing players intentionally instead of unintentionally, appeal to players I know to get them on my side, etc.
Nope, not doing that this game.
and I'm happy to put a vote on him. (I'm clear! But these people are scummy because they know Has!)
It's true.
100%.
What's wrong with using this very simple but effective tool for scum hunting?
Nothing.
BM wrote:But it is Mastin who appears to be leading the charge, and i'm not sure that's his style.
My style changes over time. But, yea, I do speculate on the night-kills in Night Zero games, ESPECIALLY if they're *very* interesting.
Hascow qualifies.
Vote: Ben
Clearly a wannabe mage.
...A random vote?
At this point in the game?
Seriously?!?
Gieff wrote:Vote Mastin
Nice reasonings, Gieff.[/sarcasm]
BM wrote:That is genuinely scummy (Albeit from a gutshot OMGUS perspective).
I fail to see how.
Speculating on night-kills-->Pro-town. 'Specially in an all-'nilla setup. Helps get a grip on the game, see who's scum.
I'm not sure why you make the assumption that people who have played with Hasdgfas are more likely to kill him than people that haven't.
Because if someone kills a fairly mediocre player, there HAS to be a *very* good reason--like knowing them well, knowing their strengths, etc., and fearing them.
You must rate his play pretty highly if you think that anyone that knew him would have killed him instantly.
EXACTLY. If someone rates his play high enough to instantly kill him, then the chances SKYROCKET for that person to be scum.
I think if i'd chosen the kill, i'd have probably picked you.
You've barely seen me play, BM. Like, what, one game? (763)
Hascow has been with you at least three times in the past.
Simply because, as scum, i cba to trawl through a massive thread, when i dont need to find scum.
You picked me off in 763 because I was obv. town. (I also had your buddy nailed.)
Not because I was annoying.
Ofc, this is all a pointless convo, because there are multiple scum, and it's probable that the decision wasn't unanimous.
But someone (read: experienced player) had to have lead the choice on Hascow.
why do you need to emphasise that you always do it?
Eh, just did. You don't always need a reason for saying something.
Unvote, Vote: Mastin
Def. OMGUS.
Cephir wrote:I would never lynch based on something like that and I don't think anyone else will either, so why not talk about it?
I definitely wouldn't lynch on it alone, but it *will* be a major part of my cases all game. Which is why it should be talked about.
BM wrote:Smells....town. But i dont get the fixation with namedropping players you know. It ain't cool, and it ain't productive. Whoever did the italicising and underlining thing at least actually achieved something.
Kai took what I (and then, Alex) had done and did it better.
Camn wrote:Not necessarily. It could be a revenge kill. It could be someone that HASCOW is particularly good at reading....
It could be a lot of things.
Like I said, it's probably due to the player having seen Hascow in many games, and/or seen him do *really* good in one.
But, no matter what, it has one thing in common:
The player has to KNOW Hascow.
End page three.
This is fun, but I gotta eat lunch.