Mafia 99 - Killers Mafia (game over)

[Far_Cry]

/confirm

Mod

: Probably gonna be V/LA until August 7-8 (goin to San Diego). Hopefully this shouldnt be a problem.

[Far_Cry]

You're right and I forgot to count my own confirm. Oops. Haha.

vote Sudai

for being an idiot

[Far_Cry]

I look for scumtells or someone doing something amazing that instantly ends RVs.

Just generic scumtells really. Distancing, buddying, what have you.

I don't believe I've ever played a game where scum was lynched day 1.

RVs are fine as is. I don't think they need changing.

Approx. how many game hav u played??

Sudai: Where in Kansas? Just curious.

Vote: Far_Cry

For sharing a name with an enormous time-waster that has sapped days of my life.

Hehehehe

[Far_Cry]

Let's get some conversation rolling.
What do you guys look for during RVS? What, if anything, do you see as a scumtell this early in the game? Have you ever played a game where you lynched scum on day 1? What gave them away on that day? What, if anything, would you change about RVS?

Yes I have, SSBB mafia: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11966

We lynched egruntz there becuase he was attempting to find out what roles were in that game, and made a common scum mistake (seem game.)

I don't believe I've ever played a game where scum was lynched day 1.

Liar. U played in that SSBB. Not trying to admit something??

By the way, Toast's post sounds like scum to me. Doesn't anyone agree?? He sounds like a newb just casually trying to say, "lets talk some." Sounds to me like he's asking for suggestions from others so he won't follow in scum who got lynched D1's footsteps.

unvote

vote Toast

Question to everyone: Do u believe Toast's post was scummy?

[Far_Cry]

In regards to Toast's post, I don't think trying to initiate or strike a conversation is scummy at all. A lot of the random votes so far have been completely that...random. So the fact that he initiated the discussion seems pro-town to me.

With scum-hunting, I try to look for slips in posts that are made. Find out who people avoid talking about/talk too much of and trying to connect an individual to others if possible.

Looking at it, it does look somewhat scummy to me. Seems to me like toast is trying to look like "an innocent townie."

[Far_Cry]

He sounds like a newb just casually trying to say, "lets talk some."

Did you look at his join date? Just saying.

I did. I havent rly seen him a lot around this site.

How do you guys feel about super-towns? Scum acting extremely like pro-town players and blending in. Earning the trust of the crowd?

I'm always afraid of those types of scums because they appear to be so helpful but at the same time, you're being deceived.

I understand wat u ar saying but im not rly worried. Many times, u can pick out scum trying to do this.

By the way, do u think anyone is acting "super town?"

[Far_Cry]

To be honest, Toasts post doesn't look scummy to me. If he wouldn't have posted it, I would have done something similar. Simply for the reason that a bunch of random votes and box jokes are not really helping the game.

Vote: Far cry

To tell the truth, this looks like more newb stuff to me, too. Strange how u jump on the wagon friggin page 3 when all there was were random votes.

FoS Pimj

Also: to Farcry's question from earlier: I'd say I've played about 8 games, on and off site.

Fair enough. But theres no reason why I should take my eyes off of u.

[Far_Cry]

To be honest, Toasts post doesn't look scummy to me. If he wouldn't have posted it, I would have done something similar. Simply for the reason that a bunch of random votes and box jokes are not really helping the game.

Vote: Far cry

To tell the truth, this looks like more newb stuff to me, too. Strange how u jump on the wagon friggin page 3 when all there was were random votes.

FoS Pimj

That rubbed me the wrong way too. :/

In wat way?

[Far_Cry]

To be honest, Toasts post doesn't look scummy to me. If he wouldn't have posted it, I would have done something similar. Simply for the reason that a bunch of random votes and box jokes are not really helping the game.

Vote: Far cry

To tell the truth, this looks like more newb stuff to me, too. Strange how u jump on the wagon friggin page 3 when all there was were random votes.

FoS Pimj

Err, what?

He thought my initial post didn't look scummy (as he should, seeing as it's pretty natural to want to start some discussion), and he thought that you drawing negative attention to it was. It's not jumping on the wagon, it's legitimate suspicion, and there has definitely been more than just random votes.

My problem was he voted for me right away. Why? Are u so sure already?

[Far_Cry]

I did, because it was one of the few, if not, the only, vote which would move the game. I don't truly believe FC is scum either. And thoughI do find him criticising the first substantial post silly at least. I normally wouldn't have voted him for simply that reason, but it did get the game started (somewhat).

This, in my opinion, is not a great reason. Voting for me and putting me at three votes on page 3 isint what u should do to move the game.

If u rly want to move the game, ask more questions, dont place your votes all over the place.

FC and I have had some small scuffles in the past...I'm simply trying to keep that little moment of ours alive lol

There's no way he'd make a mistake this early in the game, but I figured I'd might as well start a BW on

someone

, and it's already got one other person on board thus far...

Let me guess, this is your slayer's gambit again?

It is wise to come up with a good reason to do the
bandwagon in the first place. Mine is that Far Cry is best positioned for one

unvote, vote Far_Cry

.

unvote

Kidding

Personally I am against bandwagons for the sake of them unless you seriously think someone should be on the recieving end of a noose. I can't see anyone that fits that criteria yet.

This is strange. Is there a specific reason u do this??

Unvote

Yes, I know my vote was there before, but that was my RVS vote. This is an actual vote.

Pimj, has yet to contribute anything. 8 post. 1 confirm, 3 during RVS/RVS-Chatter. I'm going to ignore those first 4 post since they really don't matter.

From there we have 3 post that essentially do nothing for the game. "It might help if you read the thread?" (Pimj 89). In 80, Pimj asked for a clarification on where someone's accusation landed. In 98, he defends himself. In 59 he defends Toast and votes FC without reason (He gives the reason in 98 and it's not a very solid reason).

Pimj, you claim that your vote moved the game, but it went nowhere.

Vote: Pimj

Yes, I know my vote was there before, but that was my RVS vote. This is an actual vote.

FoS: Saberwolf and Far_Cry

I don't want to get into the reasoning for these two just yet because I want to see if they change what is making them scummy in my eyes.

What do u find scummy about saber and I?

[Far_Cry]

Devestation's vote put me at an interesting dilemma: who is scum: Sudai, or Pimj? It could be both but that is unlikely in my eyes. It could me neither but I'm not about to believe that.

[Far_Cry]

Why did Devestation's vote make you decide between those two? What changed?

What I said before wasn't entirely clear. Srry for that.

What I'm saying is, who should I pursue? Devestation's vote opened up something interesting.

Devestation's vote put me at an interesting dilemma: who is scum: Sudai, or Pimj? It could be both but that is unlikely in my eyes. It could me neither but I'm not about to believe that.

Why were you under the impression that one or the other has to be scum?

Their actions. They've been acting very suspicious thus far.

[Far_Cry]

This argument about who's a hypocrite is stupid. Lets get this game going.

What I said before wasn't entirely clear. Srry for that.

What I'm saying is, who should I pursue? Devestation's vote opened up something interesting.

And why couldnt you go after Sudai before?

I could hav gone after Sudai before. However, what I'm saying is that this opens up possibilities to both town and scum.

I figured as much. Could you be more specific? Unless I missed something in your iso, you never really gave reasons. Elaborate a bit.


Also:

FoS

on everyone who hasn't contributed anything.

You want me to explain why their actions are scummy? I'll have something up in a bit.

By the way, dont hand out FoS's like that.

This argument about who's a hypocrite is stupid. Lets get this game going.

What I said before wasn't entirely clear. Srry for that.

What I'm saying is, who should I pursue? Devestation's vote opened up something interesting.

And why couldnt you go after Sudai before?

Mod

: Can you prod Pimj, JackintheBox, and manho? And can you replace RobotPirateNinja?

[Far_Cry]

Ok, here are Pimj's posts:

*confirms*

Vote: Everyone who made an illegal post.

Donkeyz hasn't confirmed. I ought we should wait for him, right?

Jackinthebox

Technically, that would be a jack, but you could still wonder what else is inside the box. Just think outside the box!

Vote: Devestation

Well, if there's a cat in any box it has to be both dead and alive.

Absolutely nothing in any of these posts.

To be honest, Toasts post doesn't look scummy to me. If he wouldn't have posted it, I would have done something similar. Simply for the reason that a bunch of random votes and box jokes are not really helping the game.

Vote: Far cry

This sounds like major protection of Toast. And then he goes on to vote for me for not a very valid reason.

By the way: in just 5 posts, Pimj voted 3 times, 2 of which were random, and the other 1 (on me) not sufficiently backed up.

"newb stuff" Fair enough. I am a newb, this being my second game.

RF, I can't really see whether you are refering to my post, or Far_cry's. Or Far_cry saying toast looked scummy? (I first thought it was my post, but please specify)

It might help if you read the thread?

Nothing in the above 2 posts.

I did, because it was one of the few, if not, the only, vote which would move the game. I don't truly believe FC is scum either. And though

I do find him criticising the

first substantial post

silly at least

. I normally wouldn't have voted him for simply that reason, but it did get the game started (somewhat).

Ummm, what??? U dont find me scum but u still hav a vote on me. And I dont understand why u find my "critising the first substantial post" silly. Not only that, what I bolded and underlined shows that you are really trying to protect Toast.

That means:
A. Your scum, or
B. Your a very bad townie.

[Far_Cry]

Sudai has had some interesting thoughts. He hasn't contributed as much as he can (he posted a lot but his posts don't have "meat," many times.) While I wouldnt count him as scum just yet, I would put him under "supervision."

Unlike what I did with Pimj, I rly see no point to comment about Sudai's posts (there isin't a whole lot to say.) Whoever, watch out Sudai, I'm not letting you of my guard.

[Far_Cry]

After reading the post Farcry about Pimj, I really can see a lot of fluff in his postings altogether. And his last vote for you made him really suspicious.

However, I have to be aware of the fact that some players are very bad townies and may not contribute much as well so I wouldn't consider fully 100% taking individual "meat" in posts as reasons as why one is scum.

I don't take only that into consideration, too. Its just a thing that I (usually) find suspicious.

And can u plz rewrite your first paragraph. I dont understand wat u said.

[Far_Cry]

have been sick for a while. i'll catch up asap.

good. this game is stalling.

Mod

: A whole lot of people need to be prodded and/or replaced.

[Far_Cry]

Rewrite of what I meant:

After reading Farcry's post about Pimj, I can now see that Pimj's posts were full of fluff/not full of info. And the last vote he cast against you made him suspicious as well.

Ok, I see wat u ar saying.

Who do u find most suspicious?

[Far_Cry]

Posts made in total by everyone: 118

Saberwolf: 23 posts, or 19.5% of all posts
Far_Cry: 17 posts, or 14.4% of all posts
Sudai: 14 posts, or 11.9% of all posts
Devestation: 14 posts, or 11.9% of all posts
Donkey: 12 posts, or 10.1% of all posts

Boxman: 8 posts, or 6.8% of all posts
Pimj: 7 posts, or 5.9% of all posts
Santos: 6 posts, or 5.1% of all posts
Toast: 6 posts, or 5.1% of all posts
Reality Fan: 5 posts, or 4.2% of all posts

Manho: 4 posts, or 3.4% of all posts
Jackinthebox: 2 posts, or 1.7% of all posts
RobotPirateNinja: 0 posts, or 0% of all posts

green = most contributive, but not necessarily the most productive
yellow = not as contributive, but still pip up now and then
red = Lurkers, and the most useless with no useful posts whatsoever.

Seeing as we are getting nowhere with this game as of right now, I decided to see if I could cause a little motion, get the ball rolling and such...

I have decided to vote for the lurkers of this game, to see what happens. I would like to see them post more by themselves, but if I have to threaten them with a lynch possibility, so be it. I am assuming Empking is looking for a replacement for RPN, so I'll vote for the one with next lowest posts:

unvote; vote: jackinthebox

This is antitown. This post is totally useless. U cant prove anything by counting people's posts. Obviously the people who are lurking quit or something. U cant only make 2 posts and be "skill lurking" (unless u hav a post restriction; something that is possible here but not likely.)

If u rly want to help town, hunt scum; not post counts.

Anyways, i still believe that Pimj and Sudai are most suspicious, but Pimj needs to speak up more.

[Far_Cry]

Thoughts on Pimj, guys? And oh yeah, lets not forget Toast.

[Far_Cry]

Far_Cry: I isolated your posts and took a look at them. I didn't like what I saw...here's the run down from my opinion:

FC accuses toast of being scummy
FC doesn't like it when Pimj defends toast, starts to attack him too
FC forgets about toast for the time being, and tunnels on Pimj
Tunneling
More tunneling
and to end it all:

Thoughts on Pimj, guys? And oh yeah, lets not forget Toast.

shocker.

oh, and there were some general comments and other stuff amongst that as well, but I'm addressing the toast/Pimj issue, so I left it out.
I didn't fins toast's post scummy at all either FC, so why the tunneling?

FoS: Far_Cry

I'm not tunneling. I only forgot about Toast becuase he went inactive.

You on the other hand, are not hunting scum at all. You are hunting invisible forces, things that mean nothing to the game. Stop making your smart-ass comments and start helping town for once (if u rly are town.)

@Donkeyz, I remember a while back (at page 2 or 3), you said town should be worried about scum playing super-townie. I think u should be very worried now.

Anyway, I like the list idea. Scum are more likely to lurk than town, in my opinion.

Not true. Don't forget about post restrictions. And also, the people who have been lurking (at least most of them) don't look like they're purposely lurking.

Again guys this is the problem. People are hunting lurkers in this game, not scum. Stop.

[Far_Cry]

Far_Cry and manho: If we were to lynch Pimj today and he were to flip town, what would that say about toast to you? What about if we lynched toast, does that take some of the pressure off of Pimj?

Answering your first question, no it won't take any suspicion off of him. That might just mean that Pimj mistakenly (noobishly) defended Toast, and Toast might still be scum.

And I can't answer your second question because you didn't say what Toast could have flipped. No, it wouldnt take of any pressure.

Far_Cry: I isolated your posts and took a look at them. I didn't like what I saw...here's the run down from my opinion:

FC accuses toast of being scummy
FC doesn't like it when Pimj defends toast, starts to attack him too
FC forgets about toast for the time being, and tunnels on Pimj
Tunneling
More tunneling
and to end it all:

Thoughts on Pimj, guys? And oh yeah, lets not forget Toast.

shocker.

oh, and there were some general comments and other stuff amongst that as well, but I'm addressing the toast/Pimj issue, so I left it out.
I didn't fins toast's post scummy at all either FC, so why the tunneling?

FoS: Far_Cry

I'm not tunneling. I only forgot about Toast becuase he went inactive.

You on the other hand, are not hunting scum at all. You are hunting invisible forces, things that mean nothing to the game. Stop making your smart-ass comments and start helping town for once (if u rly are town.)

Please elaborate on this...what "invisible forces" are you talking about? And according to the others, I did help the town. Not a whole lot, but it was still something. Also, I don't really think you've posted much more than me. All I would have to do to match you is ask others what they thought about Far_Cry.

@Donkeyz, I remember a while back (at page 2 or 3), you said town should be worried about scum playing super-townie. I think u should be very worried now.

Why is that? I was pretty sure that was why everybody is too scared to do anything, and as far as I see as of right now, nobody is super-townie.

Anyway, I like the list idea. Scum are more likely to lurk than town, in my opinion.

Not true. Don't forget about post restrictions. And also, the people who have been lurking (at least most of them) don't look like they're purposely lurking.

Even so, there are still SOME among them who ARE purposely lurking. You admit to that above ^^. Also, find me a pro-town role that has post-restrictions? They're all usually anti-town that do as far as I'm aware.

Again guys this is the problem. People are hunting lurkers in this game, not scum. Stop.

How are you to know that the lurkers are not scum...unless of course, you being scum, already know that the lurkers do not fall in your faction. Another theory is that some of those lurkers ARE in your faction, and are nervous that my list could encourage others to vote for your scumbuddies.

IGMEOY: F_C

Q1: You are hunting things other than scum. You are hunting for posts. And you are hunting for fame, in my opinion, with your smart-ass comments like:

Can i get a replacement please? I only want to do one game at a time right know

you suck.

I'm currently in 25, and I'm managing just fine

... which aren't funny and doesn't help anyone. So your 20-something posts is actually like 5 (or it seems so to me.)

Q2: I rly believe u are trying to act super-town.

Q3: I don't have to find u a role. Like I said, it was highly unlikely, but possible. You never know, the mod might try something different.

Q4: I'm not falling for your shitty pressure. Again u are trying to act like a fucking smart-ass. Start actually contributing.

[Far_Cry]

Super Town is a stupid way to implicate someone. See Too Townie.

Pressure is a totally valid scumhunting tool. Trying to undermine it is scummy.

For stuff like this, I feel good doing this.

Vote: Far_Cry

Good choice.

[Far_Cry]

Ha! was waiting for him to say this:

Q2: I rly believe u are trying to act super-town.

So he thinks I'm the super-town player. However, Far_Cry also said I haven't contributed anything to the game....so therefore, I'm supertownie [or trying to be as he carefully put it] because I haven't contributed anything? Start making sense.

we're actually starting to make headway with the game...think it's time for a good ol' BW:

unvote; vote: Far_Cry

because I really didn't like your last post. Answers to Q3 is virtually nothing, you are evading providing me with an answer. Bitching about my playing style isn't exactly helpful to the town either. Lastly, as boxman put it, undermining pressure is scummy.

What you have said makes me think you are trying to act pro-town. Your little stupid comments makes me think you are acting like the nice guy.

Saberwolf, all you have done this whole game (at least most of it) is attack me. You never defended yourself. I have tried to answer all questions directed at me.... u havent done anything but stupid comments.

The only reason I'm not voting for u is because I dont completly believe that you are scum. Looking at your play style (and how u hav changed), u might just be town. I'll hav to think about it more.

[Far_Cry]

@Far_Cry
Please point us at some of these "Stupid Posts" of Saberwolf's. I want some actual post numbers, not "Uhhh that stupid post on paage six".

(Everything before this was about absolutely nothing)

fair enough i suppose. I'm lousy at ice-breakers too -_-

enough of this...

FAR CRY! I ACCUSE YOU OF BEING SCUM, BUT I DON'T HAVE A GOOD REASON, OTHER THAN I LIKE TO SEE YOU SQUIRM

Discuss

At this point I'm not too worried about the FC BW...it isn't even at L-3 yet...he's still fine, and it means nothing so far.

FC, help me catch scum, and I will gladly switch my vote

FC and I have had some small scuffles in the past...I'm simply trying to keep that little moment of ours alive lol

There's no way he'd make a mistake this early in the game, but I figured I'd might as well start a BW on

someone

, and it's already got one other person on board thus far...

Nothing above.

well the problem is this game is moving at a very slow pace. I had hoped by creating a BW we would get somewhere, but that seemed to fail.

I'll try a new approach:

toast, why are you so confident about FC being scum? I have 0.1% certainty he is scum..my vote was to create discussion, but I'm not sure what yours was about...
please discuss your reasonings.

unvote; vote: toast

EBWOP: sorry, I actually meant PimJ, not toast. got the two mixed up :/

unvote; vote: Pimj

0.1% O.o. And I'm not rly sure if you made a mistake.

[mainly want to know why he put down a vote with almost no explanation]

Don't like this. Utility votes are not needed.

damn it. the scum aren't targeting us..they're targeting the game! the game is dead, thanks to scum! *realization sets in*

ok, so new rule...all scummy players start acting scummy, and all other players start acting pro-town...starting......hold on...wait for it....NOW.

FoS on all people not contributing to the game thus far

We don't need FoS's like this.

I'm just gonna dismiss sudai's FoS. I know I haven't done anything scummy. I've had an honest RVS, explained my BW attempt on FC, and attempted to get this game going. It could of been a conversation prompter, but it isn't going to do much in my opinion...five posts later maybe and we'll be back where we started. Later on in the game if FC doesnt force it out of him earlier, I'll have him explain his actions.

I disagree with everything hav said. You did NOT have and "honest RVS," and I'm not so certain that you are not scum.

I can go on and I might, but this is enough to see that saber has talked a lot of crap.

The only reason I'm not voting for u is because I dont completly believe that you are scum.

Why?

I've had some games with saber. I know his playing style. He would be a little more defensive probably if he was scum. However, I'm not ruling him out as scum.

[Far_Cry]

@Saberwolf and Far_Cry. I would like to hear your opinions on the Random Voting Stage. What is it? Why does it exist? How should people behave during the RVS? When does it end?

RVS is a stage (most often at the beginning of the game) where people make random votes, that have no clear purpose other than to get the game going.

IMO, people should be very attentive during the RVS. Many people are careless during this stage; however, as town, you must look for people who can leak scum tells. As mafia, you must do your best not to give away easy tells.

I believe the RVS ends when someone does something suspicious (even slightly suspicious), and than everyone will start attacking everyone else. At this point, votes usually are serious and have reason.

Q to Michel: Why did you ask this?

[Far_Cry]

I specifically pointed something out about you in my post. Either you're just not reading, or I dunno what. Also, I commented on it to. The case on Far Cry is dumb at best. Saber is so wishy washy that it's hysterical, so I don't see why you are basing him as leader of the town. His posts are lackluster at best, and FC has contributed so much more than him.

That's mainly the reason my vote is on Saber.

I'd agree with what you have said; however, it looks to me like you may be trying to choose sides here. I'm not saying that necessarily scummy right now, but considering that you are inexperienced, it maybe just a noob thing. However, I'm still noting it down.

[Far_Cry]

I'm not taking your side on this. Don't get that idea. I'll have a post on you soon.

I never said you were specifically taking my side.

[Far_Cry]

I didn't point out the Supertown idea on page 3 because no one was trying to implicate anyone at that point - when someone tries to implicate someone using a logical fallacy, it would be time to bring out a vote.

Also, eagerness to start means nothing. You try to get me on attacking someone for poor reasons, and then you attack Devestation for "being too eager?" That somehow makes him "probable scum?" What? For all we know, he could have a neat role and wanted to get started.

I can't really say anything on saberwolf. He DOES look scummy, but I'll sit with my original vote. I still say Far_Cry is scummier.

Alright, WHY do you think Im scummy?

@Michel: I would agree that Boxman is very possible suspect. However I'm not quite so sure about Devestation and Saber.

You are right; Devestation HAS been asking strange. But strange doesn't necessarily mean scum. However, I still think he needs more analysis.

Saber, on the other hand, is hard to read now. My opinion on him changes probably daily. Sometimes I think he's town, sometimes I think he's scum.

The way Saber was trying to act like the nice guy came off scummy to me. However, I know Saber's playing style, and the way he's playing right now, he would be leaning towards town. In any case, I'm still gonna put him under close watch.

[Far_Cry]

Ok. So far, more people look newbish than scummy/townie. I'll see what I can do.

It is wise to come up with a good reason to do the bandwagon in the first place. Mine is that Far Cry is best positioned for one

unvote, vote Far_Cry

.

unvote

Kidding

Personally I am against bandwagons for the sake of them unless you seriously think someone should be on the recieving end of a noose. I can't see anyone that fits that criteria yet.

Why did it take 16 minutes just to tell us that the post was supposedly a joke?

Saber starts to look townier with his reaction-fishing. I don't expect newer scum to do that so blatantly.

Damnit, now Sudai looks townier too. Top of page 5 where he FoS's Far_Cry and Pim, and doesn't say why.

Through 5 pages and found something interesting. Pimj is mentioned as scummy quite a bit, but no votes. Possible distancing?

I approve of Saber's lurkerhunt.

Ok, my vote is where I want it. Far_Cry is likely scum. Michel and manho are probably scum too. Dev, Saber, Santos, and donkeyz are really townie.

Now that was some real shit. You didn't post anything to back yourself up. You playing the I think....., I think...... game. Scum? Very possibly? Anti-town? Definitely. I've already asked this question a few times: WHY DO YOU THINK I'M SCUM?????????? Every single one of you guys that attacked me and think I'm scum did so without valid reason. You just throw stuff out to show like you are participating in the game. What the fuck is up with dat??

[Far_Cry]

Ok, dinner time. I'm through 3 pages and haven't really seen anything relevant. Some players pinged my gut though. Notably Far_Cry, Saber, and Sudai as scum and then Devestator and Donkeyz as town. I'll try to finish after dinner, but have to go in about an hour, so might not finish. I will get caught up and active though even if it's not tonight.

Flava, is that your personal opinion, or are you just following the mob?

My own opinions.

Lie.

Dear players of Mafia 99,

It has come to my attention that one of our players,

Far_Cry

, is a member of the mafia. This may be a concern for some of you, but don't worry. Mafia members can be eliminated via the lynch. Attached is an explanation of why Far_Cry is scum.

Signed,
Flava Flave, a concerned member of the town.

(aka, here is my case)

*Starts out not really looking for scum or even trying to get the game going.

*When finally placing a non-random vote (on Toast), Far_Cry says "Toast's post sounds like scum to me. Doesn't anyone agree??" and "Question to everyone: Do u believe Toast's post was scummy?". I know what you're thinking. So what? He's stating his opinions, right? See, the problem is that when using lines like that, Far_Cry is only looking for support, not looking for accuracy. He's asking everyone else if they'll go in the direction he wants them to, not trying to determine the accuracy of the point he makes. Scum already know whether their case is accurate or not, so all they need to do is convince everyone else.

*

Looking at it, it does look somewhat scummy to me. Seems to me like toast is trying to look like "an innocent townie."

Now this quote has

TWO

problems. That's right. Finding multiple tells in the same quote. Note the use of the phrases "Looking at it" and "somewhat scummy". Now he's getting wishy washy with the opinion that Toast's post was scummy. That means he can back off and switch elsewhere if he doesn't get the support OR he can follow through with it if he

does

get the support.

*Same quote, he's using trying to look town as a scumtell. First of all, Far_Cry, how do you come to that conclusion? Second, why is it scummy for a town aligned player to look town?

*The Pimj FoS is nothing but OMGUS. There's nothing wrong with an early bandwagon. They bring nice reactions like the one that makes me think you (Far_Cry) are likely scum.

*

If u rly want to move the game, ask more questions, dont place your votes all over the place.

Again, not liking this logic. Putting votes "all over the place" actually does bring good reactions, which is exactly what you want to see early in Day 1.

*

Devestation's vote put me at an interesting dilemma: who is scum: Sudai, or Pimj? It could be both but that is unlikely in my eyes. It could me neither but I'm not about to believe that.

Again, making no sense with your logic. First, why does one absolutely have to be scum. Second, if you are giving 50% odds, why were you still voting Toast over both of these players at that point? Now you've essentially FoS'd Pimj AND gave him a 50% chance of being scum, but haven't voted him. I'm sure you can see what I'm getting at.

Pimj is probably your scumbuddy.

*

Their actions. They've been acting very suspicious thus far.

How very specific.

*

Anyways, i still believe that Pimj and Sudai are most suspicious, but Pimj needs to speak up more.

And yet you weren't voting

EITHER

of the two. Your vote was on Toast. And in your next post, you throw Toast in as an afterthought.

*The "good choice" comment on Boxman's vote on you was.. weird. Can you elaborate on why you said that please?

*

What you have said makes me think you are trying to act pro-town. Your little stupid comments makes me think you are acting like the nice guy.

Saberwolf, all you have done this whole game (at least most of it) is attack me. You never defended yourself. I have tried to answer all questions directed at me.... u havent done anything but stupid comments.

The only reason I'm not voting for u is because I dont completly believe that you are scum. Looking at your play style (and how u hav changed), u might just be town. I'll hav to think about it more.

So you start to attack Saber, but then don't vote him because he might be town? That's a complete non-opinion and empty post.

*Your last post. I basically call you the scummiest player in the game and leave my vote on you and you just call it shit. I don't know what you mean by the "I think" game. My opinions are pretty clear.

tl;dr, Far_Cry is scum and should be lynched ASAP.

This is even more bullshit. You didn't make a single sensible attack on me.

I don't understand how you're so sure that I'm scum and Pimj my partner, Professor.

Your first attack is absolutely not true. You assume that true, but its not. I was simply not 100% sure.


No, putting vote all over the place is NOT a good idea. You vote for reason. And if you are putting votes everywhere, they are WITHOUT reason.

And once again. you are acting super town, something I seriously do not like. You are SOOOOOOO sure I'm scum that you are ready to bet your mother on it. And if I'm town?? What happens then?

By the way: you think pimj is scum. Do u think Michel is?

And your opinions were not clear. U said the following:

Ok. So far, more people look newbish than scummy/townie. I'll see what I can do.

It is wise to come up with a good reason to do the bandwagon in the first place. Mine is that Far Cry is best positioned for one

unvote, vote Far_Cry

.

unvote

Kidding

Personally I am against bandwagons for the sake of them unless you seriously think someone should be on the recieving end of a noose. I can't see anyone that fits that criteria yet.

Why did it take 16 minutes just to tell us that the post was supposedly a joke?

Saber starts to look townier with his reaction-fishing. I don't expect newer scum to do that so blatantly.

Damnit, now Sudai looks townier too. Top of page 5 where he FoS's Far_Cry and Pim, and doesn't say why.

Through 5 pages and found something interesting. Pimj is mentioned as scummy quite a bit, but no votes. Possible distancing?

I approve of Saber's lurkerhunt.

Ok, my vote is where I want it. Far_Cry is likely scum. Michel and manho are probably scum too. Dev, Saber, Santos, and donkeyz are really townie.

Absolutely no backup.

[Far_Cry]

@Far_Cry

Lie.

On what basis?

So why is it that your first defense isn't "I'm not scum", but "Pimj isn't my partner"? Anyway, the fact that you show strong suspicion towards him and leave your vote on Toast is what I was looking at. You're just distancing there.

Well, you can't be "100%" on anything as town with no Night 1, so I'm not trying to say you were. What I mean is you did absolutely no scumhunting. If you weren't sure, you could have been questioning people until you were.

And once again. you are acting super town, something I seriously do not like. You are SOOOOOOO sure I'm scum that you are ready to bet your mother on it. And if I'm town?? What happens then?

What is your definition of "super town" and why is it a bad thing? And what happens if you are town? Maybe you start to put up a decent defense and don't be lynched? That or you get mislynched for playing scummy and we try again tomorrow. Pretty sure you are scum though, so we don't have to worry about that.

By the way: you think pimj is scum. Do u think Michel is?

Obviously. He replaced Pimj and recieved the same Role PM, so yeah.

Just because I haven't backed everything up yet doesn't mean that you don't know where I stand on things from reading my posts. I made it perfectly clear where I stand.

@Manho

nice analysis by flava. waiting for FC to fight against it.

i think i can fight against most of flave's point against FC, but it seems that FC doesn't care to fight against each and every points, i won't do so.

Why such a drastic change in your position?

And to counter your defense of Far_Cry:
Ok, if you want to argue semantics, then sure, you're right. But are you honestly trying to say that you don't want people to think you are town when you are? Of course you do. I mean, yeah, you don't worry as much about it, but you still want to look town.

What exactly is "guilty until proven innocent" and why?

And of course I'm going to do whatever I can to get a player lynched if I think they are scum.

Going on record saying that Far, Mich, and manho are the scumteam.

^Pretty decent drunk post I think. Let's see if I think so tomorrow.

I believe that if someone is rly town, than they just act natural. Super townies, are (usually) scum who try to hard to blend in as town, IMHO.

And you didn't answer my question. Do u believe that the way Michel has been acting so far is scummy? If so, prove it.

[Far_Cry]

Super Town is still a logical fallacy, and still a stupid way to try and implicate someone.

I'm very happy with my vote.

Other than me, who else do u believe is scum?

[Far_Cry]

@Far, how do you tell the difference between good town players and scum players who you define as "super town"?

Good town players never act super town. Good town players act naturally.

Michel individually hasn't been scummy, no.

Then why do you think Pimj is a likely scum partner?

[Far_Cry]

@Far_Cry
A lot of players come off protown in most any game. It's not a scumtell at all to come off protown. It's somewhere between a null tell to a town tell depending on the player and specifics of the situation. But to say that being protown is scummy is some of the worst logic I have ever heard.

I never said that being protown is being scummy; I try to act protown myself. Does that make me scummy? No.

I think Pimj is a likely partner of yours (if you are scum) because of your actions regarding Pim. First, the fact that you express suspicion, even more so than on Toast, and leave your vote on Toast instead. Second, your insistance that Pimj

isn't

your scumbuddy. If you are town, you shouldn't care about who I'd look at if you were to flip scum.

I can't put on two votes, and at the time, I believed that Toast was more suspicious than Pimj was.

And what do you mean, I shouldn't care who you look at?

[Far_Cry]

Oops. Forgot to paste this to my last post:

i just noticed out of all of boxman's posts, only one is considered scumhunting. The rest is him reminding us he doesn't like Far_Cry

FoS: Boxman

Yes, thats true. I would like to hear more from you, Boxman.

Good town players never act super town. Good town players act naturally.

100% absolutely correct, but that does not translate to being pro or anti town in any way. Good mafia players act naturally. Bad town players are acting naturally too, but this could be seen as scummy. Bad mafia players arent acting naturally. In reality, this just draws a line between good and bad players, not between being town and mafia.

True, but there may be certain exceptions. I can't rely heavily on what I said, but I take it into small consideration.

[Far_Cry]

Shwa-chak!
Friends, enemies and Flave Flare, I welcome you to my first real post. First, lets look at the active lurkers. They are, in my opinion, much worse then regular lurkers. The worst of the bunch is RealityFan. As a lurker realityfan has gone fairly unnoticed, compared to the other lurkers, mainly boxman, manho and donkeyxy1221. Now let’s move onto donkeyxy1222121212. Donkeyz1222333344455555’s first real post was a meta discussion non-contribution, his second post was about super towns, possibly trying to set up a future mislynch on an obvious town. This has been a theme throughout his posts. He has also been buddying up with far_cry, I think he is the most likely to be scum. The second most likely would probably be far_cry. His early caving to the pressure of a RVS bandwagon reeks of scum, as does his interactions with donkeyyz3.1415926535 and saberwolf. Saberwolf has been a bit more tactful in his interactions with far_cry. At first he went after him, coincidently random voting him. Then when the wagon turns serious he hops off, as though he does not want to lynch him. I smell bussing. Far_cry’s response to flave flare’s case was not satisfactory. Santanos and jackinthebox have been lurkers, plain and simple. I have not been able to get a read on them. I don’t have a read on Chaco or Sudia. Michel is vaguely scummy, his prime suspect is boxman and yet realityfan is neutral. And then there is flave flare. Ah Flave Flare. He is building himself a zwet meta. Thus him being obv town is… weird. My general read says town, but from his meta it says non-town, so I am not sure.
At this point a Far_cry lynch gives the most information, so

vote far_cry

Utility lynch. "Lets lynch Far_Cry because it gives information." That is absolutely antitown. Once again, don't hunt for information, hunt for scum.

P.S. Can you seperate your posts into paragraphs? They are hard to read otherwise.

FoS: wonakloverlf

for randomly showing up in our game

What??

*When finally placing a non-random vote (on Toast), Far_Cry says "Toast's post sounds like scum to me. Doesn't anyone agree??" and "Question to everyone: Do u believe Toast's post was scummy?". I know what you're thinking. So what? He's stating his opinions, right? See, the problem is that when using lines like that, Far_Cry is only looking for support, not looking for accuracy. He's asking everyone else if they'll go in the direction he wants them to, not trying to determine the accuracy of the point he makes.

Scum

already know whether their case is accurate or not, so all they need to do is convince everyone else.

you are assuming FC is scum and say that scum-FC are trying to get support and convincing others, but town player also need supports and they need to convince others to get their suspect lynch. it's guilty until proven innocent. also, if FC is looking for support only, he should have unvoted and get on some bandwagon. he holds his vote on toast for a long time, while no one support his accusation.

*

Looking at it, it does look somewhat scummy to me. Seems to me like toast is trying to look like "an innocent townie."

Now this quote has

TWO

problems. That's right. Finding multiple tells in the same quote. Note the use of the phrases "Looking at it" and "somewhat scummy". Now he's getting wishy washy with the opinion that Toast's post was scummy. That means he can back off and switch elsewhere if he doesn't get the support OR he can follow through with it if he

does

get the support.

same as above, and again, he follows through with his vote while he doesn't get support.

So, what are you trying to say with this post?

@Flava Flave: To answer your last question, doing a good job of being protown as town

does not

make you supertown.

[Far_Cry]

Let me ask a question: If I'm lynched, and I'm town, what information will town gain?

[Far_Cry]

One thing I've noticed is that I have 4 people are not only voting for me, but literally

hate

me:
Devestation
Flava Flave
Pyro
Boxman

What was up with that? It sounds so much like a gang-up; the people above said "Far_Cry is scum." They were absolutely sure, it looks like. Yet, they don't give sufficient evidence. I've asked for only 1 thing this whole game: for people to provide GOOD reasons for voting me. Nobody above this so. That means, someone on the wagon HAS to be scum.

[Far_Cry]

Also, my apologies, busy week, could not post.

Also, can someone please explain the case against Far_Cry for me? I haven't seen much that convinces me he's scum, and I definately haven't seen enough to hunt for other scum solely by looking at his connections.

Sounds like a scumbuddy.

let's see what's happening.

some of us have suspicious on FC. then flava replacing in and make a case on FC, which i think is not enough to get a lynch. then pryo replacing in and vote FC for an information lynch. when some strong defence go against him, he shift the attention to saber, realityfan and even boxman now. i see it as a scum looking for an easy lynch but fail, and then shift the attention away and even go V/LA.

vote: pyromaniac

So he is scum for...suspecting Far_Cry? Nope, not a chainsaw at all. (rolling eyes smiley notes the sarcasm behind that)

Scumbuddy? Where does that come from? So you're because he defended me he's my scumbuddy? Wrong, wrong, tactic.

And let me say this again: my lynch does not help town at all (well, unless I'm scum.)

/me notes saberwolf's chainsaw defense.

There was no chainsaw defense. What are you talking about??

Lets reread realityfan.
Post one is a confirmation, ok.
Post 2 has a random vote ok
Post 3 is just agreeing with someone else.
Post 4 says no bandwagons, not scumhunnting kthxbye
Post 5 is acceptable, but still not scumhunting
Post 6 is restating post 5
Post 7 is discussing why a stupid policy vote is not accurate, not saying that it isn’t stupid policy.
Post 8 is

still

not scumhunting and it is lurker, not active lurker, hunting.
Post 9 is more lurking hunting still not scumhunting.
Post 10 is restating
Post 11 is the first scumhunting post he makes. And that is 13 pages into the game.
@manho

You don't lynch someone because they are attack another player unless that player is scum. Notes that saberwolf is defending far_cry

how am I defending F_C? I simply said that it is up to us to determine where we think you stand on the most likely scum list. I never mentioned him at all...if anything, I'd be defending Donkey. What is up to YOU is to bring along a case showing US why YOU think a certain person is scummier than you and should be brought to attention. You don't simply say don't lynch me cause I don't think I'm as scummy as others.

From his own lips he isn’t defending him.
Lynching far_cry would not only good for info, but he is probably scum. The weird attack on toast early game, caving to pressure of the bandwagon. He has also spent most of the game defending himself and done very little scumhunting, other then the scumhunting he has to do to prevent him from being completeing focused on him. Which both town and scum would do.

Once again, the "Let's lynch Far_Cry for information" thing fucking sucks. And, "anyways Far_Cry is probably scum" is absolutely bullshit. You haven't posted serious reasons for voting me.

Pyro seriously is acting like scum trying to find reasons to lynch somebody.

vote Pyro

Hey Pyro. You know, I think YOUR lynch would bring good information. How do you feel about that?

[Far_Cry]

And yet again, I'm not understanding why I'm scum. I one of the few people in this game that tried to get some real activity going. I'm scum becuase of what I thought of Pimj and Toast? That was speculation. I was asking for other people's opinions of their actions, that's all. Am I scummy for doing that?

Nobody on the wagon on me have supplied sufficient information to prove I'm scum. Now I'm REALLY sure someone on my wagon is scum.

[Far_Cry]

Michael, the only that gets me, is that I use the same reasoning for my vote on FarCry and you see that as me jumping onto that bandwagon but when remember that Saberwolf was the initial person I wanted to see lynch based on trying to find information.

I can lynch Boxman just as well but Boxman hasn't been around or really done much. Im just fearful that his lynch would prove nothing, especially if he is town and then we are left with Far Cry again as a suspect next round. and if Far Cry ends up being town, its like two wasted shots.

Here's the problem: you're hunting for information, not scum. Which is why if you don't find me (or Boxman) scummy, you shouldn't vote. You may claim that information will be useful for town, but lynching town is even better, right?

the FC lynch is an information lynch unless you can provide evident that FC is scum.

so

present your case first.

This is what I have been trying to say the whole game.

I must apologize for my absence...settling into school and taking care of the more important stuff got in the way.

So I'm back, and I plan on doing some analysis shortly.

For now at quick glance, I'm going to have to side with MSH. I agree with most of what he says, and I too think the F_C case(s) are too weak for a day 1 lynch.

manho looks genuine, trying to sort through the quotes and pick pieces out of them. Pyro, on the other hand, seems a little more...shady? I get a bad vibe from some of his posts.

I'm not entirely down with a boxman lynch yet either...I tend to be one of the guys who second guesses all of his decisions, so I kinda am trying to find some post somewhere that will give me a reasonable assurance that I'm voting for the right reasons, not just because there's an available BW to jump on.

Dev my friend, you seem to be standing out to me as a pro-town player...not completely sure why, am hoping my analysis will dig into that. Lately though I feel you havent brought as much to the table.

Donkey...I'm not sure with you. For the most part I read you as town, but the whole super-town issue [as well as labelling yourself supertown] has got me keeping my eye on you.

Anybody else I havent mentioned...well, I'll get around to you, but post some more!

Everyone should post more, but that also includes you. I understand that you have school, (I do too, thats why I can't post that much, unlike during the summer.) but you still try better to contibute, IMHO.

[Far_Cry]

O.o I'm at L-1. Anybody want a claim?

Here's the problem: you're hunting for information, not scum. Which is why if you don't find me (or Boxman) scummy, you shouldn't vote. You may claim that information will be useful for town,

but lynching town is even better, right?

um....no? scumslip?

Scumslip?? What??

I apologise, I should add post #380 to post #385. Veiled chainsaw defence means making note of the fact that the person that you are protecting is kind of scummy.

I read this:

nah, dev is right. I only voted him so that he had a reason to OMGUS me.

he is actually providing some good insight, and if we keep him around a little longer, we may get some good out of it if he's pro-town, or possibly some ties if he's anti-town.

unvote

i will keep FC instead.

As "I will keep Far_Cry around instead". How is that calling Far_Cry scummy?

---
With deadline looming closer, I think those players who do not want Far_Cry lynch should at least try to get a good alternative going. With 6 players voting Far_Cry, it takes all seven of us for a lynch.

I'm willing to move my vote away from Boxman, as that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

Unvote

If I'm reading the bandwagon correctly, noone on the wagon is going to unvote, so the alternative will have to be on the wagon. JackintheBox and Boxman both haven't posted in a long time. I'm willing to support a lynch on them in order to get rid of inactives, but that doesn't really seem feasible at the moment. I'm not willing to lynch Flava Flave, as he seems to be the only one on the bandwagon who actually has a reasonable reason for his vote. That leaves pyro, donkeyz and devestation. I can see myself supporting a lynch on any of them, but i prefer a lynch on donkeyz or devestation, as their overall contribution has been weaker, and their joining of FC's bandwagon seems opportunistic. Of the two, Devestation already has a vote, so is slightly more likely to be the lynch.

Vote: Devestation

Now I hope that Chaco is replaced and RealityFan checks in before the deadline hits. I really don't want to lynch Far_Cry, but even his lynch is better then the no lynch that would result if we hit the deadline with the votes standing as they do at the moment.

I agree with this.

vote Devestation

Now, I believe HIS lynch will yield information, not mine.

[Far_Cry]

Srry,

unvote vote Devestation

[Far_Cry]

Since I'm not at L-1 anymore, I won't claim at the moment. No need to do so.

unvote

. My bad, I'm not sleeping too well -_-

Wait, what? An excuse to get off the hook?

OK, this will seem like rather weak observations but this game is rather crazy and it was hard to dissect who was being scummy and who was scum hunting.

It seems like there are multiple accusations going on and most everyone has appeared somewhat scummy to me because of it. The Far_Cry wagon made no sense. I thought it was originally just an attempt to apply pressure and if that was the case, then I think F_C deserves to be let off now, cause he passed. IMO if Far_Cry did turn up scum (I doubt it) then Michel is more then likely scum with him.

I dislike how most of the cases are created by a select few people while everyone else just says "Sounds good to me, lets lynch him."

The main thing that bothers me, is the useless fluff that is being thrown out. For the past few pages, lots of wall posts with quotes and one line answers of "I agree" or "I disagree" have been thrown out there. It is this reason that it was so hard for me to catch up into the game. I am, of course, not finished yet and will continue reading to see if I can catch something I missed.

Ahhh yes. Finally, we have another person that understands whats going on. Welcome DeathNote.

I made an actual mistake with those posts, Boxman. If your going to keep pursuing em, I'll replace out. I'm tired of the same old bullshit every game.

Again, what? Do you want to replace because this will look bad on your record? That's bad sportsmanship, and selfish at that.

[Far_Cry]

Hello, everybody! While I'm reading, ask away if there's something you want answered right now.

Oh, and

Unvote

for now.

Welcome! He are my questions (which you can answer after you reread): 1. Who do you think is scum?
2. What do you think about Flava Flave and Pyro's cases on me? Do you think they are valid?

[Far_Cry]

Far_cry makes an extremely weird 3 post. He makes a scumtell out of nothing. Literally nothing. A random vote for a random reason that happened to target far_cry. This type of reaction is what I look for in the random vote. It shows extreme fear of being lynched. Then he presses the case and a little bandwagon forms on him. Then in post 65 you see a little buddying up with donkeyz1011010101. Post 77 is making more accusations of random attackers. Again, with no case or supporting evidence or anything at all.
It is also worth noting that far_cry does nothing to defend himself. He has done a more primative version of the chainsaw defense. Notice how far_cry expertly shifts the attention of the game to pimj, who has done nothing really scummy other then place a random vote.

This is just part of my reasoning.

I was attempting to get out of the RVS and get some real activity. It was a thought that he is perhaps scum.

[Far_Cry]

Ahhhh! Are you kidding me donkey? This game was becoming so complex! I was loving it! And you had to hammer Dev!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Well, I'd like to see what he turns up.

it very well could be that if FC is scum, then his scumbuddies is using this to their advantage to take attention off of him.

Devestation in itself is the scapegoat.

However I don't really like his excuses in the past few posts. It seems fishy

Or it could be that I'm the scapegoat, and the people on my wagon scum.

Not understanding a bandwagon but jumping on it because you can't convince people to switch- bad.

Especially when there are at least 2 players saying Deves isn't the best lynch atm. Bad +1

You are implying that those who targetted Deves initially are scum. Generally speaking, scum tend to slip into the middle of a bandwagon, not crusading it to begin with. It's a little WIFOMish but I think you're also wrong there.

Explain why you are not a better lynch than Deves.

I have to say, Bogre is right with this post. However, this "why are you a better lynch than ......" is stupid. Town does not need to lynch for information.

I wish I could say more but I have to go to school.

[Far_Cry]

Wow, two scum in one night? We probably have an SK and a vig. It's good for us anyways. Sad though that Michel died.

all I can say is...wtf? lol

Interesting developments...thing was I was actually going to attack pyro this day and try to get him lynched for all of the softclaims and such based on the results of the night phase, but apparantly he saw it coming and committed suicide

rereading as well.

.

Hehehe. Nice strategy (ahhem, not!)

I do have a strong belief that Saber is town, by the way.

Anyways, I'm going to go and look back at Michel's posts (when I have time, I have a lot of homework), and will try to see who killed him and why.

Donkey is looking very scummy right now for his hammer, and for immediately taking off his suspicion on me and saber, when he was trying to gun me down last day. So for that, I

FoS Donkey

[Far_Cry]

Ok looking back at Michel's posts, I would think that one of these people probably killed him:
1. Flava Flave
2. Boxman/Bogre
3. Rising
4. Devestation

Of course, he could have been killed by scum/SK who felt he was dangerous because he was contributing and helping so much.

I will try to post more thoughts tomorrow, if I have time.

[Far_Cry]

Devestation is already dead, because of my hammer.

Srry, I meant Pyro.

I know this isn't relevant to the case on donkey but I realized that me assuming there is two mafia factions and a vig is rather premature of me. There could always be an SK or two vigs and one faction... Just something to note.

Two mafia factions seems unlikely, but still possible. However town shouldn't care about the setup a lot. We should just hunt scum/SKs.

[Far_Cry]

1. Rising
2. Santos
4. Far_Cry
5. Realityfan
6. Flava Flave
7. Bogre
9. Saberwolf
10. manho
11. Donkeyz (2) - Bogre, Santos
13. DeathNote

5 to Lynch

Mod

: Rising is already dead. You also have to fix that on the first post, as you have him as dead and alive.

[Far_Cry]

i think this should be the most important post in rising's posts. i'll analysis it tomorrow.

Well, looking at that post made me think he was town, but it turns out I was wrong.

Manho, you are basically cleared as scum (or at least scum in Rising's faction), but that doesn't mean you are town. For now, I don't believe you are part of another scum faction or the SK, but I will hold you in check.

[Far_Cry]

Here's another idea: maybe we have a bus driver?

[Far_Cry]

Manho, you are basically cleared as scum (or at least scum in Rising's faction), but that doesn't mean you are town. For now, I don't believe you are part of another scum faction or the SK, but I will hold you in check.

replace "manho" with "FC", and that's what i think.

We are both considerable for that position. Sure, I could be the SK or part of another scum faction, but it is just as possible that you are, too.

[Far_Cry]

reading that link by rising and you can find that rising had donkey in the 2nd scummiest position. he had a much longer case on me (1st) and FC (3rd) than donkey. it may be scum bussing his buddy without attacking hard. also note that rising said boxman is useless and FF is ridiculous, but not scummy.

so,

FoS: donkey, boxman, FF

. i'll look at them and see if they are scummy.

Rising's faction is probably already dead. So we can not be sure if what you said above happened. We have to take it into consideration, though.

[Far_Cry]

By the way, can we get more people posting? We really need to move this game along.

[Far_Cry]

Rising's faction is probably already dead. So we can not be sure if what you said above happened. We have to take it into consideration, though.

are you sure there are 2 factions? i think the chance is only 50-50. too busy these days to read them.

It's possibility. But like I said before, we don't have to worry about it so much.

[Far_Cry]

Mod

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So I was very wrong about things in this game. Like all three flips we got over night and Far_Cry. Why is Manho clear? Why is Donkey scum?

Maybe if I actually try to read, I said manho was cleared from Rising's faction. I never said he was completely cleared as scum/SK, though.

And donkeys is a possible scum due to his hammer. I wouldn't call him scum right away, but he definitely is very suspicious.

My hammer on Devestation was for the day to end. We've been discussing for a whole month now going from Far Cry to Saberwolf. We weren't really getting anywhere and then as Devestation was placing that vote on L-1 on Far Cry, people got really freaked out and was like woah, woah, woah. They immediately switched over to Devestation and felt that a couple of small mistakes he made was warrant enough for him to be the lynch over Far Cry.

Now, I personally didn't see the case on Devestation but people seem to be adamant that he was scum after what he did. The buildup case on Devestation was not as "vast" as the build up on the Far Cry case I feel. I thought that people discussed Far Cry as scum for a long time but with Devestation it happened within one week and BOOM.

I wanted to see if Devestation was indeed scum and that people who immediately jumped to Devestation could be proved as innocent because I don't think scum would switch so quickly, especially if Far Cry is "innocent." They would stay on that bandwagon. But Devestation didn't turn up scum so it didn't help out.

But yeah, I wanted the day to end, simply it. I wanted information.

This is some crappy reasons to vote completely antitown at the least, scum at most.

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Busy with school guys. I'll try to post as much as I can in the little time I have.

i think we should have a mass roleclaim first.

I don't think so. Why do you want this?

Since no one is wanting to be active in this thread, I
will try to get things started.

I am a VT, vanilla townie.

We can not mislynch today as tonight could very well be the last night. With another goon dead, we could be down to two kills but that is uncertain at the moment. Like I said earlier, Vig should claim as this might be our last day phase depending. If you do not wish to claim, then simply do not kill tonight as one kill tonight will ensure we have one last shot tomorrow to catch scum. 1 lynch today, 1 kill tonight, 1 last lynch tomorrow. You following me?

Personally, this claim doesn't exactly help you. In fact, I can't even believe it. I'll try to post my thoughts on this later.

@Saber: Why are you so interested in role right now? You shouldn't care.

For the moment, I can't trust anyone. I would find Saberwolf likely town; however, I don't like his rolefishing.

Xofelf needs to come down here and post so I can get a real read on him. For now, though, I think he's town.

Manho is an obvious suspect now. I need to go back and look at his posts so I can get an obvious read on him.

Finally, I don't like Deathnote's claim. No else but him claimed, I don't think they should yet. However, I do agree with him that vig should claim sometime today, and more importantly, hold on to your night kill on else you are 100% certain that the person you are killing is scum.

I'll try to do the things I said above when I have time.

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Rereading guys. I'll try me best to post after school. I was busy these past few days.

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i think we should have a mass roleclaim first.

I don't think so. Why do you want this?

it is likely to be our last day and we may be in lylo, so i think we should have the mass roleclaim. and i have some thought about the game setup, which may help find the scum by mass roleclaim. and you are also asking the vig to claim, which is next to asking a mass roleclaim.

I don't think we should do this quite yet. It's to early in the day to do so.

where is everyone? i will roleclaim vanilla town then.

To tell the truth, either you or deathnote is lying. Since we have like 1 more scum, an SK/vig, I would find it hard to believe that are last roles are all townies.

I will attempt to go back and get some reads on people.

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Ok, here we go:

RealityFan/xofelf: RealityFan may have had possible connections as indicated with these posts:

Unvote, vote: jackinthebox

Hasn't really said anything game related. Seems to be actively lurking.

See, the problem with this post is that, had Reality been contributing more to the game, then perhaps this vote would have been ok. But he had said barely anything up to that point, meaning that this post was sort of out of order and without reason.

Another problem is that RealityFan was lurking just as much as jackinthebox was, yet attacks him for that reason.

I have a really big gut read on FC-town. I think that saber vs. FC was Town vs. Town. I don't like Santos buddying up to me and voting jack. In my opinion, the supertown argument is dumb. It depends on if they give off any scum-tells WHILE posting a lot of content, people aren't scummy for posting a lot of content...

Once again, this looks like posting just to post. I don't understand the gut read at all, once again, because he hasn't posted enough.

Xofelf, try to post as much as u can so I can get a read.

Now, for manho:

vote: pimj

, he is too defensive on toast, and he even vote FC for attacking toast. probably a newbie-scum slip.

Newbie scum slip? Why did u think so right away? I very much didn't like pimj and toast, but I did not call them off as scum right away. To tell the truth, this just looks like taking sides and doesn't have much though behind it.

FC has 4 votes already? but i really can't see why he is scummy. can anyone give me some reasons so that i can have a better look at FC?

i'll give a brief look at all the people so that something may come out from it.

1. Jackinthebox777 - not much content from his posts.
2. Santos - again not much content, but his latest post has some good point.
3. Devestation - really a hypocrite but accusing sudai of being hypocritical
4. Far_Cry - attacking toast and pimj for some valid reasons and contribute a lot in other ways, which is pro-town, imo.
5. RealityFan - not much content again, but trying to be useful, which is pro-town.
6. Toast - that conversation-starting post is neutral to scummy. lurking and leaving the game under attack.
7. Boxman - not much content again. voted FC to give pressure.
8. Pimj - see my previous post which explain my vote on him. lurking and leaving the game under attack, like toast.
9. Saberwolf - pretty much leading the town. maybe town or scum trying to act pro-town.
10. manho - definitely innocent, imo.
11. Donkeyz - contribute lots to the game. my gut tell me he is innocent.
12. Sudai - is there someone think sudai is scummy, can that someone tell me why.
13. Chaco (replacing RobotPirateNinja) - looking for his posts.

if anyone agree or disagree my opinion, let me know.

This looks like a scum town list. He was wrong for almost everything on this list.

Manho needs to post more so I can get a read on him, too. Right now, he looks like the scummiest player.

I will post my thoughts on saber and Deathnote later.