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Oh, on the experience question...
I've only got two completed games under my belt, but I'm in ~12 games and active in all of them but one (which I recently replaced into... been procrastinating on that and should post e.e). I could get names & links and stuff, but I'm too lazy to do that.
re Kmd: yup. not buying the case, but that hardly prevents me from keeping a remnant of the RVS in the OMGUS. Of course, I just remembered tubby also voted for me
unvote, Vote: Tubbycuz he noted that I noted that we are in multiple ongoing games together (and cuz I luvs me the OMGUSoup).don't you feel silly now?-
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I believe I said this before:Vi wrote: I really dislike RayFrost throwing his vote around, especially considering two of his three votes up to this point were late on wagons that were going places.
I was late for the RVS. I got my personal RVS out, and I moved on.
I didn't buy the CDG case, and i said that straight out.
Idofind the Bub case compelling, especially with his recent reactions.don't you feel silly now?-
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My reaction to seeing this and the vote:Kmd4390 wrote:The scummiest scum:
RayFrost - "Random" voted on a player who already had a real case on him. Switched to another random vote when called on that. Bad vote on Bub. Sets himself up to vote either of the two leading wagons with his unvote and "can't decide" comment.
"I was wondering when something like this was going to happen..."
I know my starting-the-game playstyle is terrible, which is why I usually stick to replacing in.
As it is, the case is accurate of what I've been doing up until now, even if the alignment perceived from it isn't.
This is actually one of the first times I've been called out on something that I can follow the logic on =/ much harder to defend myself when I can see the validity...
I could post a list of my own suspicions, but I doubt that'd help. I guess I'll just leave you both on me and as is until I'm feeling better.don't you feel silly now?-
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Eh. I am not you.~Jordan` wrote:I'm sorry, I thought the qyote was my explanation...
I don't blindly bandwagon.
In my expirience as mafia, covering up for my mistakes by calling myself a bad player was one of my (poor) strategies.
I wasn't defending myself because he has a valid case.
From my understanding, you are under the belief that I would go for the "oh, I'm such a terrible player" strategy?
For one, the quote only states that I'm bad at start up once.
For two, I said the case on me was valid, thus I was not covering up what I had done that was scummy.
For three, this really seems like you are trying to avoid Kmd's suspicion since you were also on his scummy list.don't you feel silly now?-
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"~Jordan` - You say you love an active game, yet you only have one post-RVS post. And it's one of the worst posts in the game." - Kmd~Jordan` wrote:I was on a scummy list? I really need to re-read better.
Nonetheless, its not just that one quote, but ofc the others' suspiciouns as well. I would never base a vote on simply 1 post.
And furthermore. What does being on a scummy list have to do with my suspicions against you? Is that just basic OMGUS?
If you knew his suspicions, you knew you were on the list... so either you didn't know others' suspicions, or you did and are feigning ignorance here.
I have no real suspicion of you, personally. I will point out that which is out of sorts to me, scummy or otherwise.
Not sure how it is omgus if I'm not voting for you or retaliating.
Pointing something out =/= calling it/the person scummy.don't you feel silly now?-
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meta as in metagaming~Jordan` wrote:
im sorry, im a little unfulfilled in the mafiascum lingo.MafiaSSK wrote:
Meta examples?Vi wrote: I similarly disagree with your SSK read, because I think he actuallywouldfollow his buddies blatantly tbh.
meta examples?
as in viewing the playstyle of somebody from a bunch of games they played in the past and using that as a basis for opinions.don't you feel silly now?-
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opinions and alignments and reads in generalRayFrost wrote:
meta as in metagaming~Jordan` wrote:
im sorry, im a little unfulfilled in the mafiascum lingo.MafiaSSK wrote:
Meta examples?Vi wrote: I similarly disagree with your SSK read, because I think he actuallywouldfollow his buddies blatantly tbh.
meta examples?
as in viewing the playstyle of somebody from a bunch of games they played in the past and using that as a basis for opinions.don't you feel silly now?-
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Can't exactly say "no, I didn't vote for these people" when I have, now can I?Bub Bidderskins wrote:So you are conceding to everything in the case except being scum. That's like being on trial and saying that the DNA evidence presented against you is correct, but you still didn't do it.
Unvote, Vote: RayFrost
I'm not one for lying. In this situation, there are a few things to note:
the case on me is my voting pattern
I can't deny what my voting pattern is because I have voted for these people at these times
Saying it is a valid case is saying "the case states the facts." Whether they display scummy or non-scummy behavior depends on your perspective
As it is, I'm too tired to do much in the way of self-defense.don't you feel silly now?-
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Pressure causes the reaction of me getting energy and becoming more aggressive for some reason. As it is, I probably shouldn't even be online right now, since it's mentally draining. I'm gonna move my computer into my room, which will take about 15 minutes. After that, I'll try working out my mental block.~Jordan` wrote:Sigh RayFrost. That's philosophy you speak of now.
We don't know what you are thinking. You hvae to tell us and hope we blieve you (the more valid the defense, the better) or we have to make predictions.
confirm vote: RayFrost
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Emphasis mine...Snow_Bunny wrote: See something that doesn't match there?He spends most of his ingame posts until that last postsaying that he doesn't buy the CD case, and then suddenly he's having troubles deciding who's scummier between Bub and CD? What made that change of mind, RayFrost?
I don't think 3 or so posts out of 21 is "most" of my posts...
Also, I wasn't justifying it so much as giving the (terrible) reasons that would go into him voting for BB. All of those reasons are basically... "I don't want to die" at the heart, making CDG's actions scummy.
I've figured out what my mental block is and why replacing is easier for me =/
I do a LoS every time I replace in, and it focuses my mind, leading to me being a rather active scum hunter. It's like an anchor to my otherwise drifting mind.
That being said, I think I'll cut my LoS to just my three scummiest reads.
p.s.: main problem with the health is it in conjunction with it being ~10 AM when I started posting. if I'm still feeling as bad as I do currently tomorrow, I'm taking a day off to rest.don't you feel silly now?-
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Then you'd have to take into account there were 5 posts of mine in between, as well as ~14-15 hours, before I did the unvote. That is plenty of time for people on MS to make a lot of posts.Snow_Bunny wrote:
If you read well, I specified that it was until that post, which was your post number 12 or 13. Half of the posts were random, and the half of the remaining were those where you said you didn't buy CD case.RayFrost wrote:
Emphasis mine...Snow_Bunny wrote: See something that doesn't match there?He spends most of his ingame postssaying that he doesn't buy the CD case, and then suddenly he's having troubles deciding who's scummier between Bub and CD? What made that change of mind, RayFrost?until that last post
I don't think 3 or so posts out of 21 is "most" of my posts...
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Oh, noticed something.
Second quote: used past tense, didn't state my current thoughts on the case, though I did state my feeling toward the bub case
Also, this quote (especially since CDG agreed these were his reasons) is a rather major sign of scum points for CDG.RayFrost wrote:Well...
Another possibility for CDG's attack:
he's the other bandwagon.
He wants to save his hide.
Thus, go for the other popular choice.
And then another thing, I was heading off to sleep, and I usually end up thinking about stuff like this while in bed. Thus, I was actually considering it.
Would it have been better if I didn't state my intentions and just (possibly) did a seemingly sudden 180 and started agreeing with the CDG case?
I was pretty sure that making sure people knew what I was thinking was important...don't you feel silly now?-
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More of a "uh-huh, I do have that vote history" without calling it a good or bad case, but eh.Kmd4390 wrote:So Ray's defense is "uh-huh, good case"? Ok...
A thing about the case on me:
I believe it is based upon my vote history...
My vote history is three votes, two random, one serious.
I gave my reasoning for the serious vote, even if you didn't actually like it.
Also, to blame me for living in Japan (which is why I was late on the RVS) is kinda... a bad case.don't you feel silly now?-
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eh, it was a random vote.Kmd4390 wrote:You didn't call it good or bad, but you called it valid, which is similar to "good".
Actually, the main thing I didn't like was what Snow pointed out. You didn't suspect CooL at first, but then said you couldn't decide which of CooL and Bub (leading wagons) was scummier. You basically set yourself up for either of the two lynches (assumes both CooL/Bub town) or let yourself say you suspected your scumbuddy, but thought the other player was scummier (assumes one of CooL/Bub scum and the other town).
Being late on the RVS wasn't a point against you. It was the fact that your supposedly random vote was placed on a player who was already being wagoned.
Also, I pointed out that he had made a vote for bub that was scummy, which caught my attention, since it was something that was rather blatantly desperate & scummy.
That made me go back over your case on him and his posts (mentally, not in actual reading) and see if I find him scummy. I did, and so I unvoted. It was late, so I decided to make the decision on who I found scummier after I had slept.don't you feel silly now?-
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So... did you vote me purely to prevent the bandwagon on tubby from picking up steam, or do you find me scummier than all other alternatives?Lowell wrote:@snow- no, I dont'knowtubby isn't scum. vote away, whatever. I just don't see it, andas I knew would happenit's already devolved into a "have a look at my meta!" fight. pointless.don't you feel silly now?-
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not really.Snow_Bunny wrote:That most be the longest and most detailed LoS in history, if it took you so much to get it done.
As I said, I was procrastinating.
I say ~30 minutes to an hour because I'm reading players in iso, and I don't actually know how long it will take me. Thus, I'm giving myself more time than I think I will actually need... something I learned from trips: plan to have delays and thus give yourself extra time.don't you feel silly now?-
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♣scummy♣
alvinz - hasn't posted content, only quotes and then votes with no explanation or reasoning. active lurking, voting without reasons, and no content to help scum hunt = scummy
CDG - he voted bub to save his own hide. scum & third party roles will want to survive, but town will not try to lynch town in order to survive. In addition, he didn't even state his real points when he voted for bub. ++ scum points. he also kinda misrepresents me... I didn't jump on Vi at all. not to mention he says we shouldnotgo after somebody we read as scummy (bub) and instead go after me for lurking and a poor vote history... wait, wait... how does that make sense? go for the wishy washy lurker over the scum read... hmmm... that makes complete sense [/sarcasm]
~Jordan` - caims to want to help town and ikes activity, yet is inactive, posts litte content, and seems to jump on any wagon that a person gives even subpar reasoning for. his votes have only come onto peopleafterother people vote. by voting, he must find these peope scummy, yet he doesn't unti somebody brings it up. This shows a willingness to jump onto any wagon without considering whether the player is really scummy... scum points for jordan
Hayker - calls CDG out for being scummy ("you're triggering my scumdar like no tomorrow") yet doesn't change his earlier vote from bub.
Bub - he didn't respond well to the case made against him, he attacked Kmd with points that didn't really make any sense... 1st vote != bandwagon vote, nor is it asking for a quick lynch. he blames people of trying to continue the rvs until about page six, I think... which is totally confusing.
lowell - low post count & content. kmd himself conceded the random vote points, and lowell pointed that out as his main reason for the vote on me later says he "largely agrees" after earlier saying he finds some of the points questionable contradiction is scummy
♣neutral♣
sajin - asks valid questions of people in an attempt to get reads, though I am confused by the choice to try and pressure vote tubby into posting content when there are cases made by other players, towards which he has not given a stance or expanded upon at all
manho - doesn't take much of a stance toward bub/Me while saying he doesn't really see the cases as all that valid. votes tubby over CDG for not defending himself, but doesn't give his reasoning for finding both to be equally scummy. leaning scum read
tubby - provides very little content and doesn't weigh in on quite a bit of the town's stuff (CDG, BB, etc)
deathnote - says he doesn't like the CD/BB scenario, yet he does nothing to attempt to change it. he keeps his vote on CD and stays out of it until the sit. with me and keeps his vote until changing to alvinz, which is rather sudden, as he seemed to believe that a CD, BB, or RF lynch was the best town choice for the day.
MafiaSSK - not really any posts, no read.
vaya - two posts. confirm and respond to prod post. nothing else.can we get a prod/replacement here?
imaginality - not enough posts to get any read on him. completely neutral
milkshake - has a case of TV on bub, as far as I can tell, doesn't weigh in on the RF case, rambles slightly in posts, has a few late-game ones with no value... other than that, his case on bub is decent enough
♣townish♣
snow bunny - consistent opinions, continues to post her thoughts about ongoing interactions, asks questions, <insert generic stuff here> and that's it.
Dry-fit - has very few posts, but succinctly states his opinions and reasoning. has logical points.
dramonic - seems to be searching for scum, gives his opinions and viewpoints on the players and sticks by them.
Vi- active scum hunting, doesn't just go along with other people in the town, sticks by the cases made, applies pressure where needed, blah <enter all the stuff that will be considered generic and just filler here>
Kmd - actively scum hunting, though a little on the aggressive side. avoids TV and makes moderate but sound cases on people and sticks by his reads also asks questions of other players when he disagrees with / doesn't understand their reasoning.
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I said I'd post a LoS before people bothered me, so...CooLDoG wrote:I want anther vote count plz...
RF looks scummy to me more and more... He seems not to want to defend himself, and thus lurked for a while. The he saw that people were getting on to him so he posted his LoS. I want more votes on RF (again not for a quick lynch, the next dude who tells me I want a quick lynch I will try to hammer to the best of my ability.). I think most of his clams are bogus. Look at AL, he accuses him of lurking when he himself was/is lurking also.
Also to defend my self (ray I un-like you will do so) I jummped on bub's wagon because how else could I contribute to the game? Voting for myself might be a start from what you are saying, and just an FYI ray was the one who did a double omgus vote for almost no reason whatsoever.
And he also labels other people as scum for their voting methods, whn he has yet to defend himself, Ray you have a little defending to do. While he lurks keep the votes coming!
Also, I don't really think I'm in the same level of lurking as Alvinz.
Excluding his most recent post he has not really providedanycontent. Just votes.
And I already explained the OMGUS votes were random votes, thank you very much.
How about you detailyourindividual case on me, hmmm?
It's obvious that my explanation of why I shifted in my read of you was insufficient in answering the suspicion of me that it caused. *shrugs* I explained it. Thus, I have defended myself, even if I haven'ttried to make the town believe me inavidlyeverysingle post.don't you feel silly now?-
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It's how I do my LoSes. You can meta me if you wantLowell wrote:Rayfrost's player by player analysis looks like he's trying to prove his worth. And it looks a bit bitter.
Sometimes in mafia a mediocre early case actually hits scum. I believe that's what has happened here.
Also, how does it look bitter? O.o"don't you feel silly now?-
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You commented on Bub, but didn't really say anything about the wagon on him.
Your comment there was just stating dramonic's point was still valid regardless of how long ago the post was, not stating that you found the point valid enough to be vote/suspicion worthy. Wagon comments =/= your comment there. That was also your only one towards him.
Also, though you have made a few comments on others, you actually haven't said your take on them
ie: you haven't said if you find the cases valid, if you disagree with them, etc.don't you feel silly now?-
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Personally?Sajin wrote:Fine. I pointed out why I thought both CD and Bub were scummy. I agree with the wagons as the points behind those wagons are both valid. I still prefer tubby's completely antitown stance for a wagon. Who would you rather be in a endgame with?
If I had to choose one, I'd choose... Bub, I guess.
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.-. I put each person in a position and then use the space next to it to detail what I see that explain put them there.DeathNote wrote:wow....
I dont like your LoS at all. It seems all you did was tell us what our opinions are at the moment. For instance, you put me a Neutral and said that I feel we should lynch BB, CD, or RF. Yeah that's true but this is suppose to be your opinion on me, not quoting what my opinion is.
I don't like the CD or BB thing because I am not a very trusting person. The two have fairly similar styles of writing and although they are claimed brothers and it would make some sense for them to write alike, I just overall don't trust it. There is nothing I can do to change it which is why I haven't said anything until now, but this fact does have some influence over why I voted CD.
Of course, as soon as I come in with the LoS... I'm called scummy for it, when I was scummy for not doing it...
could this be called a situation of...
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I suppose some people did suspect me before the 19th, true enough.DeathNote wrote:No, I think some of the people voting damned you before you even considered the LoS. I was just pointing out what I disliked about you LoS... if you had posted one that satisfied me, then I wouldn't be suspicious of you.don't you feel silly now?-
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I'm uncertain about tubby's play. >.> I don't exactly have meta on him, and it'd be rather hypocritical of me to call him out for not defending himself when I haven't done so, as far as town consensus in regards to me is concerned.Vi wrote:I'd also like to question the list, but in a different way.
Why are tubby and DeathNote neutral on your list, as opposed to scummy?
If Bub and CooLDoG are both on your scumlist, why is Hayker scummy for not being able to decide between the two?
For DN, is there any reason I should find him to be scummy over neutral?
Hayker keeps a vote on Bub despite stating that he finds CDG to be extremely scummy (see "setting scumdar like no tomorrow" thing). If he sincerely believes that, why would he not change his vote? From what I could tell, he found CDG to be scummier than bub (which was part pressure and part case), yet didn't change his vote to represent that.
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I made my LoS by reading each person in Iso and typing up my reads from there. Care to explain how I would have been summarizing what others said if I was typing my thoughts directly from reading?Kmd4390 wrote:
No, if you're town, I'd rather you think for yourself instead of summarizing what everyone has said all game.RayFrost wrote: re kmd:
Would you have preferred I went through, saw what everybody said, and just said something completely different, rather than what I honestly thought?
Dramonic:
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orly?dramonic wrote:it's an echo of other players, from one end to the other.
Okay, point out who stated the reads I did for dry-fit, lowell, DN, and also the positions on the scumminess level for everybody on the scum list (in case you don't know what the order means: top to bottom, scummiest to towniest).
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If we go down the case additives route... why don't you add to my case, if you have support for it?Dry-fit wrote:
Um, how about actually scumhunting and bringing a case against someone? Jumping on wagons for the sake of creating content is not a pro-town way to play.CooLDoG wrote:Also to defend my self (ray I un-like you will do so) I jummped on bub's wagon because how else could I contribute to the game?
I still think CooLDoG is scummiest, but I am not opposed to a RayFrost lynch.
I'd like to see some addition to a case from you please.MafiaSSK wrote:Without adding really any more reasons to the case?
Also, didn't you have your vote on bub? What made you change your mind about 'im?don't you feel silly now?-
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the point is you aren't the first, and you actually haven't done anything but echo the others' suspicion of me, which is exactly what you are saying I did... except on a larger scale on my part.dramonic wrote:I'm not exactly planning on doing that. It'd be long, tedious and a serious waste of time. You say that as if I'm the first one to call you out on your LoS (which can hardly be called a LoS)
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So everybody finds these people to be scummy in the same rankings as I put them?dramonic wrote:After amassing a certain amount of accusation, the cases on you are bound to be redundant. However, it's less than credible that your LoS mirrors the general consensus almost to a tee.
So Kmd is more townish than Vi in everybody's opinion, Hayker is scummier than Bub, and alvinz is scummier than CDG... all in the opinon of the general consensus? Damn, I didn't know I could exactly state the very ranking of suspicions from scummiest to most town from iso reads...
The order in which I put the names has an actual meaning, so, unless the general consensus is that order, I'm not exactly seeing the general consensus argument. you having that be the only thing you say about it was kinda the last straw for me =/
Hell, let me extend this argument to Kmd as well:
how about your response to my defense for this part of the case, kmd?
Would general consensus put almost all of these players in their exact positions of scumminess?don't you feel silly now?-
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That I'm scum, but there are better scum possibilities out there?Vi wrote:
It's mostly to do with that sudden three-person jump onto your wagon.RayFrost 403 wrote:Vi:
what is making you have cold feet?
I'm not quite sure what to make of your fervent defense of your LoSing at the moment, although I think you can see where I'm leaning.don't you feel silly now?-
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I'm not exactly good at reading minds, Vi. I'm a VI in that department, so yeah. My next guess is... you find the people jumping on my wagon late to be scummy?Vi wrote:
That's not where I was going with that...RayFrost 416 wrote:
That I'm scum, but there are better scum possibilities out there?Vi wrote:
It's mostly to do with that sudden three-person jump onto your wagon.RayFrost 403 wrote:Vi:
what is making you have cold feet?
I'm not quite sure what to make of your fervent defense of your LoSing at the moment, although I think you can see where I'm leaning.don't you feel silly now?-
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As I just did what? O.oDeathNote wrote:I don't think anyone will be jumping on your wagon any more until more evidence is shown. The reason being is that people will fear being accused scum for wagoning this late,as you just did. I would have voted you, but my issue is still with alvin/CD/BB.don't you feel silly now?-
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You ignored the bit about the order of my list.Kmd4390 wrote:Ray, "general consensus" is NOT an exact measurement and you know it. What I'm saying is that most of who everyone finds scummy, you find scummy. Most of the players who haven't really been called scummy, you list as town. Just because a few names (Lowell, Dry-fit) are moved around doesn't mean the rest isn't just a scummary of what everyone else has said.
Even if "general consensus" puts people as scummy, that does not dictate how scummy "general consensus" finds each person individually, so to say I match the "general consensus" would require you to explain how I match "general consensus" on how scummy each player is, or your case on my matching "general consensus" is rather weak and reaching.
Tubby: better I be trying my best to convince town not to lynch me regardless of alignment than doing virtually nothing regardless of the pressure others apply to me or the cases they make
Oh, and something I just thought of:
Alvinz, you either admitted to being an active lurker (Scummy) or are suspicious of me due to OMGUS (scummy). Either way, thank you for displaying your scumminessdon't you feel silly now?-
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ugh... you are deliberately being vague to annoy me, aren't you >.<Vi wrote:
This post makes me think.RayFrost 460 wrote:
How about you explain what you are talking about instead of being vague? It might help when I try, y'know,Vi wrote:RayFrost 456 is unappealing on at least three different levels.learningfrom my games.don't you feel silly now?-
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1. >.>Vi wrote:@RayFrost: Yes!
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You: You can has list
Kmd: This list looks like what everyone else has been saying.
You: NUH-UH not everyone has said it
Kmd: Fine, this list looks like what everyone who's anyone has been saying.
You: NUH-UH it has a slightly different order
Kmd: So what?
You: SO YOU HAVE NO POINT
...seriously? The major reason I'm leaning toward you-Town is because you-scum would have more sense than to cling to this kind of terrible argument.
2. "Hey tubby - at least I'm notyouOHHHHHH"
Is that some kind of attack?
3. I'm hoping your points vs. alvinz are a joke a some level. Yes, he's acting suspiciously (or in his case reasonably normal tbh). Everyone knows it. There's not a huge point in emphasizing it unless you're pushing for his lynch, which this tagline on your last post isn't doing.
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2. <.<
3. he wasn't posting much to explain anything. now he has. =/don't you feel silly now?-
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