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Disagree with this.Netopalis wrote:
I agree that reasoning is needed for a vote. Unreasoned votes are anti-town. Posting reasoning gives information to the town which allows for better evaluation.
Sometimes voting without a reason can be effective at getting a reaction. This is not to say that the vote doesn't need to be explained later though.-
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You've been a tad more active than me, but in general that statement can just as easily be turned back around onto you.SaintKerrigan wrote:Actually,Unvote: Netlava. Vote: Zachrulez.
He's been too quiet, I feel, plus his reasons for suspecting Mae and Neto aren't good.
Working on catching up now. I think there's something like 60 posts since I last looked, plus the other 180 or so to have another look at...-
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Didn't his very first post actually discourage bandwagoning in general? That's how I interpretted it. Maybe we have different feelings about how to take that, but I don't really like it at all.SaintKerrigan wrote:
Regarding Neto: Your only reason for voting him is for his avoiding bandwagons. How exactly is that scummy?
Regarding Mae: Again, only reason for suspicion is you got the "same bad vibe" that Netlava did, going on to explain that Mae's post (I can't remember which now, but it's beside the point) is laden with "sarcasm, possibly even gloating." That's just not a good tell.
Those the only two suspicions you've had all game. Whereas I've been a little more rounded out. That's why I feel the lurker argument is more applicable to you than me.[/quote]
Yeah, I find gloating to be a pretty good tell, scum bragging to town and such. In her case it's not very clear though, but the post doesn't really give me a good feeling.-
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Doing this again with fixed quote tags. I need to use preview more...
Didn't his very first post actually discourage bandwagoning in general? That's how I interpretted it. Maybe we have different feelings about how to take that, but I don't really like it at all.SaintKerrigan wrote:
Regarding Neto: Your only reason for voting him is for his avoiding bandwagons. How exactly is that scummy?
Yeah, I find gloating to be a pretty good tell, scum bragging to town and such. In her case it's not very clear though, but the post doesn't really give me a good feeling.SaintKerrigan wrote:Regarding Mae: Again, only reason for suspicion is you got the "same bad vibe" that Netlava did, going on to explain that Mae's post (I can't remember which now, but it's beside the point) is laden with "sarcasm, possibly even gloating." That's just not a good tell.
Those the only two suspicions you've had all game. Whereas I've been a little more rounded out. That's why I feel the lurker argument is more applicable to you than me.-
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Well I tend to see bandwagoning as a good way to start the game/get out of RVS/get out of RQS/get out of whatever is used to start the game.SaintKerrigan wrote:
Again, why is this scummy?Zachrulez wrote:Didn't his very first post actually discourage bandwagoning in general? That's how I interpretted it. Maybe we have different feelings about how to take that, but I don't really like it at all.
Discouraging it is something I see as an attempt to stall getting the game moving, which I do find scummy.
Zachrulez wrote:Yeah, I find gloating to be a pretty good tell, scum bragging to town and such. In her case it's not very clear though, but the post doesn't really give me a good feeling.
It would, but it does happen. Andytony does it multiple times in this game. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10864SaintKerrigan wrote:Why would scum brag to town? Wouldn't that just give away their identity?-
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Possible gloating is in the way you hit KMD for his failure to keep SK from voting one of his town reads.Maemuki wrote:
*claps slowly* Way to go - Saint is voting your town read and Haylen is voting with you. Bravo, bravo.I'm getting better. Page 2 and I have 4 pretty solid reads. Neto and Mae as scum. Haylen and Saint as town.-
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Eh? Must one of them be scum if they are voting for each other? I'm not sure what's confusing about that.Maemuki wrote:
Ahm, no. It's closely related to that, but it isn't that. If KMD thinks that Haylen is town, and SK was voting for Haylen, I couldn't see how he thought that they were both town. It confused me, therefore I replied on that sarcastic way. Understood?Possible gloating is in the way you hit KMD for his failure to keep SK from voting one of his town reads.-
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Appennine mafia all over again. I'm being drowned by the posting.Haylen wrote:Unvote, Vote ZachrulezActive lurking. I know you're around Zach, why dont you come out and play?
I've noticed SK's vote moving around a lot, most recently letting Netlava off the hook for lurking and never addressing his suspicions to move his vote to me.
I'm interested to see what he thinks of Netlava now since Netlava has gone quite a while without posting.-
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Yeah, I actually put off posting that notice in all my games.SaintKerrigan wrote:Sorry to hear, Zach. Although it is getting odd that whenever I vote you, you decide to post.
You can think what you want about the timing.
I'm feeling a little better now, but I probably won't be having a real look at this game until tomorrow.-
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Which means what exactly?Bogre wrote:
I imagine you wouldn't, since it now allows people to focus more on you.Zachrulez wrote:How does Neto's claim make him more likely to be town? I don't understand that reasoning.
I see the claim as the perfect kind of low maintanence, perfect explanation for one's continued survival over the course of the game kind of claim.
Also not really liking those quick unvotes.
You didn't really answer the question in the post either...-
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Only the fact that I've read many many games on this site... and most of the time that someone claims any kind of a hiding role, that person is usually scum.
If you think about the mechanics around that kind of claim, it actually makes sense that it makes for a really good claim for scum.
And if he is scum, who would be the most likely people to unvote him? This really doesn't take a lot of science to figure out.-
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I don't see how I've been avoiding it....SaintKerrigan wrote:Unvote: Haylen.Point made. I do disagree with your case against Neto, however.
I prefer aVote: Zachrulez.He's largely been avoiding the Neto controversy, except to say he doesn't like him (in a generalish sort of way) and to claim scum love hider types of claims, neither of which I feel are lynch-worthy.-
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Even in light of the many games I have played in where I have seen half a dozen hider claims from someone who was scum, and EXACTLY ZERO from pro-town players?SaintKerrigan wrote:
The claim doesn't make me think he's scummier, if that's what you mean. I've maintained that I think Neto is town, and that the arguments against him have been crap. The claim doesn't do anything to make me think otherwise.Zachrulez wrote:Do you have a particular reason to believe the claim? Other than the fact that he claimed?
That could have nothing to do with the fact that I want him lynched... nope, not at all.-
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Hahaha...SaintKerrigan wrote:
Links or it didn't happen.Zachrulez wrote:
Even in light of the many games I have played in where I have seen half a dozen hider claims from someone who was scum, and EXACTLY ZERO from pro-town players?SaintKerrigan wrote:
The claim doesn't make me think he's scummier, if that's what you mean. I've maintained that I think Neto is town, and that the arguments against him have been crap. The claim doesn't do anything to make me think otherwise.Zachrulez wrote:Do you have a particular reason to believe the claim? Other than the fact that he claimed?
That could have nothing to do with the fact that I want him lynched... nope, not at all.
And even at that, it could just as easily be you using that as an excuse to vote someone you know is town...
The odds that he'll flip town are ridiculously low. So I don't need any excuses. I can own up to being wrong if it happens, but I doubt I will be.-
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Sure.SaintKerrigan wrote:
Can I say I told you so if I turn out to be right?The odds that he'll flip town are ridiculously low. So I don't need any excuses. I can own up to being wrong if it happens, but I doubt I will be.
Every fiber of my being tells me it's the right lynch, and I don't understand how everyone else can't see it.-
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One of the games is already linked in my ISO 12 post.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11845
In that one Alexhans does it but is town.
I don't have the drive to look up the exact posts where the infractions occurred.-
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Yeah, the movement toward it was so lightning fast it literally caused my head to spin.Maemuki wrote:
You do realize we had a super-duper-fast wagon on Netty and he got lynched, right? Anything to say about that?Come on people, give him the death he deserves.
There's no way all those votes are town.-
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Not sure what you're talking about here, because I had nothing to do with it.Bogre wrote:
Hrmm, yet it seems like Netopalis has a large bandwagon already- one you're fully on.Zachrulez wrote:The fact that most of the votes moved from me and most of the votes on Neto stayed put indicates pretty clearly that it's far more likely that the scum were on my wagon.
So it seems that it might have worked, the alternate wagon, huh?-
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My theory, based on their desire to lynch me, and then Netlava, and the lack of interest in lynching Neto.Yosarian2 wrote:
How does that follow?Zachrulez wrote:The fact that most of the votes moved from me and most of the votes on Neto stayed put indicates pretty clearly that it's far more likely that the scum were on my wagon.-
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I think SaintKerrigan is scum.
He spent a lot of time saying that Neto's bandwagon was unjustified, and a day 1 all over the place with wishy washy voting, most of which where he couldn't decide whether he wanted to vote for me, Haylen, or Netlava.
Day two consisted of him turning against Neto to an extent, saying that the pr flips made his claim less likely to be true, while conveniently never actually putting his vote on Netopolis and exploring other suspects. Maybe he didn't expect Netopolis to be lynched that quickly?
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is standing out like a sore thumb to me, especially considering SK's current position on Mae. (What changed your read on her btw?)SaintKerrigan wrote:I don't like Zach's subtle attack on arguably the most pro-town player in this game (Maemuki). At least the most pro-town player on the Netlava wagon (well, besides me, but I have to say that ).
Oh and of course rolefishing...
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