Mafia 101 - Mafia Dodgeball: GAME OVER

[Sajin]

/confirm

[Sajin]

FOS Jordan

Yes

P.S. can we dodge votes?

Vote: Deathnote

Dodging anything seems antitown.

[Sajin]

Sajin, what is your opinion of CooL?

His method of random voting strikes me as inexperienced town or uncommital scum. I would say if he was town he would rather keep the people he has played with before around to be able to get better reads. Voting a player he has played with a lot before seems slightly scummy. His random vote is unlikely truly random.

Leaning scum, but not as much as I really disliked what deathnote said.

[Sajin]

@Tubby- What are your thoughts on deathnote and cooldog?

[Sajin]

I dislike some of your reasoning KMD but agree with the conclusion. How you found a thought progression in a single post that size is beyond me. That said I agree with the signs of nervousness.

[Sajin]

I have never even completed a game of mafia.

I have played mafia since I was 2 years old (those were some exciting games, let me tell you)

I have played since earlier this year and loved it. I play in numerous games at a time and am particularily fond of differing flavor and mechanics from normal games (I rarely join purely vanilla mafia games). I dislike approaching every game the same way so I try a different tactic in every game I am in.


One of the above statements is the truth.

Hayker- I find it odd that you asked the experience question after I questioned someone's experience. Is this because you are trying to determine cooldog's allignment? Do you feel that you are "against" players with experience?

Also- why mention the time restraint as a reason for not answering your own experience and then post like that moments later?

[Sajin]

Why is a vote for cooldog as good as any other vote?

[Sajin]

As for experience:

I've played in a bunch of games (about 20) and am playing in 10 or so right now. My win/loss record is terrible however.

Also, Sajin has developped an irrational obsession over signing-up in all the games I play and getting me lynched as swiftly as possible

Your lynch has always been justified. How can you blame me when I lynch you for being scum?

@Bub- OMGUS, and a baseless excuse? How does dramonic responding later to your post remove its validity?

[Sajin]

@DN- Yes I thought it was serious. You should clarify when your not being serious. Do you agree that if it was serious it would be scummy?

@Cooldog- What do you think of Bub?

[Sajin]

tubby216

is lurking. This is your final warning, tubby.

meh warning shmarning

i was seing how this developes

so right now you got cooldog and bub both scummy, and now this mounting wagon on ray. is it just me or is this like a game full of ADD kids you can't make up their minds.

so since its early i am content to sit on the sidelines until i find something worth commenting about.

and while i do so my vote will stay on ray althought it was a random vote at first there may be some validity to it.

unvote; vote Tubby

If you do not help contribute, how can we determine your alignment?

By being unwilling to contribute you must be unwilling to help us determine your alignment. This is something I find scummy.

[Sajin]

@Tubby- Your entire attitude is an antitown stance. Its not beneficial to discussion.

Why does the RF wagon have validity over the others in your opinion?

@Manho- Why did you feel the need to preemptively apologize for your self-proclaimed lack of posts?

[Sajin]

I just don't see it, and as I knew would happen

it's already devolved into a "have a look at my meta!" fight.

pointless.

I don't know what you're looking at, but I'm not seeing this from anyone except tubby himself - and I don't think anyone is paying attention to it.

noone ever pays attention to me thats why i was more than content to sit back aqnd let you and kmd cattle drive.

And your willingness to sit back and let other people drive is why I am voting you.

[Sajin]

Come on Tubby! Get in the conversation, because at this point, Sajin is likely to start a wagon on you. :/

OH NOes not the almighty sajin!!??!!

meh whatever wagon away

Your not helping any of the current wagons. It appears to me that your intentionally trying to stay off of any wagons to avoid a bad vote history. Your play is very antitown.

[Sajin]

I could care less if you think I am being protown or not.

Do you feel you are scumhunting?

[Sajin]

@Ray- What wagon have I not commented on? I thought I commented on them all.

[Sajin]

Fine. I pointed out why I thought both CD and Bub were scummy. I agree with the wagons as the points behind those wagons are both valid. I still prefer tubby's completely antitown stance for a wagon. Who would you rather be in a endgame with?

[Sajin]

Tubby has left the topic. Go figure.

@Zazier- What is your opinion on tubby?

[Sajin]

@alvinz

hey asshat yur makin sense on da webz thar

unvote, vote snowbunny

however i am still watchin ray

Love the bus, but keep your vote, you're helping the town. You are going down eventually. Saying how you play the best in endgame is ridiculous.

really check my games i have called them all correctly every endgame i was in minus two. hell ask Vi he has seen them.

but lest focus and lynch snow here we can carry on this pissing match elsewhere

Why do your leet endgame skillz matter to us if your scum?

@KMD- Scum is not anymore likely to make a good argument then town in a general sense. Some people as scum alignment are though.

[Sajin]

Tubby is still my main suspect and nothing has disuaded me from that. The fact that he has supported both the rayfrost and the snowbunny cases makes them read town to me currently.

The post walls are getting annoying to me.

[Sajin]

I am up for a rayfrost lynch. A tubby lynch is still strongly preferred.

Vote: Tubby

[Sajin]

@Sajin: Care to make yourself remotely more useful?

Interact with me then. I think Tubby is scum for all my criticism of him I posted day 1 in addition to his pushing of milkshake. Agree or disagree?

[Sajin]

Ok I seriously want to know how SSK's contributions are worse than Tubby's. Both are bad sure, but why could I not get the majority on board Tubby's lynch for pratically the same reasons as those on SSK's wagon are on there. I posit this is because Tubby is likely scum and SSK is likely town. So which of the fish on SSKs wagon do I have to shoot down with tubby?

If this is not the case, explain to me why SSK's case D2 is better than Tubby D1.

[Sajin]

Sorry I have been gone sooo long...

I don't think ssk is the best lynch for the day ether, I think ray is. But since we ned to build up press and he was lurking he was the best vote at this time. I will however not push for a quick lynch on him and will unvote if too much prees gets piled on him. I just want to get a wagon going, yet I still want ray lynched.

This pushed me over the edge.

unvote, vote: cooldog

If you want a wagon going, and you want Ray lynched, why don't you vote for him? That's a contradiction. Do you want Ray lynched or not? Or do you want Ray lynched but don't want to be voting for him?

CD, at the moment I'm struggling to find one thing you've done for the town.

[quote="sajin']I posit this is because Tubby is likely scum and SSK is likely town

So you think Tubby is likely scum and SSK is likely town when you yourself said that:

Ok I seriously want to know how SSK's contributions are worse than Tubby's.

Both are bad sure

, but why could I not get the majority on board Tubby's lynch for

pratically the same reasons as those on SSK's wagon

are on there.

You said that Tubby's scum and SSK's town and yet you admit yourself that the cases against them are practically the same.

FOS: sajin

Explain, why is Tubby scum and SSK town?[/quote]

Because I campaigned on Tubby pointing out all the flaws all day and no one joined in. Then similar reasons are brought about on SSK and a huge wagon is sprung. Since you also think that the cases are similar, then explain your voting patterns.

[Sajin]

Explain, why is Tubby scum and SSK town?

Because I campaigned on Tubby pointing out all the flaws all day and no one joined in. Then similar reasons are brought about on SSK and a huge wagon is sprung. Since you also think that the cases are similar, then explain your voting patterns.

Are you admitting to tunneling then?

Sure. I tend to do that.

Your post did not address my concerns. Your stances are hypocritical.

Unvote; Vote: Bub Bidderskins

1- Bub agrees that the cases of not contributing of Tubby and SSK are similar.

2- Bub voted SSK and not Tubby after admitting the cases were similar.

I therefore must ask myself why did you feel justified in one but not the other. Conclusion: you are scum partners together.

[Sajin]

I see Sajin's point against Bub.

Surely better to lynch tubby today though, Sajin? You're effectively assuming that tubby is scum in your case on Bub, so it's better to lynch tubby first to confirm that he's scum before lynching Bub tomorrow, rather than vice versa.

Why not lynch the one taking hypocritical stances first in case there is some bussing going on?

[Sajin]

I see Sajin's point against Bub.

Surely better to lynch tubby today though, Sajin? You're effectively assuming that tubby is scum in your case on Bub, so it's better to lynch tubby first to confirm that he's scum before lynching Bub tomorrow, rather than vice versa.

Why not lynch the one taking hypocritical stances first in case there is some bussing going on?

you can always lynch bub tomorrow whether he is hypocritical or bussing or whatever. you just need to gather the reason.

I have reason. If Tubby flipped town it would not clear Bub or anything of the sort and I dislike the both of you insinuating as much.

They are both scummy. Bub is being hypocritical in his stances and views and therefore deserves to be lynched.

[Sajin]

@Bub- You assume I do not find SSK's play anti town. I find it anti town. SSK is like this in most games he plays though. Tubby has been better in previous games yet mosts meaningless content and so I find it more likely he is scum.

This being said, it can only be a false argument to attack me based on the same pretexts as I am attacking you on.

To simplify:

I say your scummy because of X.

You say I also did X so I am scummy as well. Yet you do not deny it makes yourself scummy. You actually agree with it and use it as a basis to attack. Why are you agreeing it is scummy then?

IMO this only makes sense from you as scum perspective.

[Sajin]

So when I do wind up town, can you guys please lynch ROFL?

no stringing lynches is baad mmmkay, and is very scummy now hush

As the lynchee if town its not horrible at all as it implies taking into consideration of ones own alignment. So its not reallt lining up lynches because of that consideration. But if you truly believe in your statement why did you also not call out Bub? Here is his post directly above SSK's post:

ssk's deadline vote for milkshake yesterday was terrible. there's some other stuff i'm too lazy to go back and look for. ssk and ray are obv scum buddies, but for some reason i couldn't get any traction on a rayfrost lynch despite the piles of people saying how scummy he is. maybe ray's the mafia power role and ssk is going to flip goon?

I think the reason nobody wanted to vote for RF was because they thought that SSK's scummier. Regardless, I'm up for a Chamber or RF lynch next day.

If that is not lining up lynches I do not know what is.

Bub- Do you think you are lining up lynches?

Do you think lining up lynches is scummy?

[Sajin]

sajin, go back to lurking,, you are useless here

Once you kill me I will lurk indefinitely. Until then I will make points which you can choose to respond to or not as I see them. Your call.

[Sajin]

I told you SSK was town dammit, I have played way too much with him and it reminded me of his play in Lazy Neighborhood mafia. No one else saw that vote speed?

I assume we are playing mountainous or have a SK now. Interesting.

I think Bub is very closely tied with cooldog. I still remember that post he made from cooldog's account. I consider the vote on each other null as they were leading competing wagons.

I agree rayfrost is likey tied with cooldog as well but I really want to know Bub's flip as it seems by far the most informational to me.

Vote: Bub

[Sajin]

So, not helpful beats scummy? Right...

Not helpful is scummy.

[Sajin]

So, not helpful beats scummy? Right...

Not helpful is scummy.

Anything else to say?

Vi, in your opinion, is this setup mountainous?

I think your strongly tied to rayfrost. Too tied for both of you to be town. Disagree?

I think snowbunnys wagon built up really fast by the other people under suspicion. People who ignored the case before are now attacking it with little to no additional reason stated. Bub is obv scum here.

[Sajin]

Yay for speed wagons?

Bub is obv scum and should be lynched.

Vi's vote is made of rubber.

[Sajin]

I would perfer a Bub lynch or a tubby lynch. Nothing has changed my mind.

Vote: Tubby

[Sajin]

Sajin : Unusually quiet. I'm used to a more exuberant Sajin. Lotsa one liners when he post too.
Question: What happened to your behaviour in RotM?

I am always quiet when everyone ignores me. I have posted points against Bub and tubby all game. They are not yet lynched. Its very hard for me to draw ties when I have yet to see the flips of my highest suspects.

Yet they are still alive. I have only been asking since day 1.

In RoTM I nailed scum day 2, day 3, day 4 and day 5. There was more to talk about. If you have questions about why I am attacking, then ask.

[Sajin]

day 2 (goon) day 3 (roleblocker, you), day 4 survivor (this is still scum) day 5 (the investigated innocent godfather).

Scum includes more then just the mafia, sir. Mafia are a subset of scum.


But lets keep some of this post on this game: dramonic- why should tubby NOT be lynched then?

[Sajin]

Sajin : Unusually quiet. I'm used to a more exuberant Sajin. Lotsa one liners when he post too.
Question: What happened to your behaviour in RotM?

I am always quiet when everyone ignores me. I have posted points against Bub and tubby all game. They are not yet lynched. Its very hard for me to draw ties when I have yet to see the flips of my highest suspects.

Yet they are still alive. I have only been asking since day 1.

In RoTM I nailed scum day 2, day 3, day 4 and day 5. There was more to talk about. If you have questions about why I am attacking, then ask.

I don't buy it. Do you mean to tell me that you have found

no one

else worth commenting on?

(Isolated posts #31 and #32 don't count as commenting on something in any pro-Town sense.)

Pretty much.

You should know I do this. Remember Majora's? I had to policy lynch you.

How many posts did I make saying you were scum? And when you flipped town I nailed the scum afterwords. Before that I was blinded.

[Sajin]

Hey you have to give me some credit for lynching my confirmed town mason partner. Regardless of mod hints.



Fine. I did not push as hard as I have.

If you need to lynch me do it. And then lynch tubby please.


Sorry I don't spam the thread rehashing the same content like you do. I do not find that fun.

[Sajin]

unvote; vote: Rayfrost

The current wagon on Rofl has all of my top suspects. I would not touch it with an eleven and a half foot pole. I completely agree with alvinz list atm.

Tubby and Bub have connections. Vi and Rayfrost have connections.

[Sajin]

Tubby and Bub have connections. Vi and Rayfrost have connections.

Could you possibly be more vague when trying to discredit someone?

Yes. But if I need to state it more clearly so you can quote this again and give another snide dismissal remark so be it.

Vi has defended rayfrost in the thread and admitted to doing so.

Rayfrost was getting wagoned.

Vi jumps on a counter wagon to protect rayfrost.

Did I miss something there?

[Sajin]

Obviously I am refering to today's wagons not yesterday. You would call yesterday's wagon a counterwagon? Against who?

Town Vi would of daykilled me in post 1578.

[Sajin]

Dammit. I have been arguing the wrong side most of the game. Bleh.

@Vi- I really did not like you controlling the game so much. It got on my nerves. You were rehashing a lot of content and creating a lot of useless noise for me. I thought it was scummy. Especially when even with your activity you forgot obvious things such as a vig dying etc etc. Blah. At least I was right about ray and you being tied together. Heh.

@Tajo- you just replaced my number 1 scum candidate. You usually have a read off me right away in every game we play together. What is different about this one?


@Dry-fit- Don't succumb to those pressures. If you think your information is useful, then post it. If not, don't. But I must ask, Bub visited no one day 2 and day 3 according to you and I think you were voting him. Can you explain that for me?

[Sajin]

I am willing to lynch Malpscp. I can add a meta argument of playing very passively as scum when he was scum in lovers mafia. Dramonic can attest to that.

Vote: Malpascp

[Sajin]

Also I would like to know how many scum you think there are in this game.
Also sajin's argument is worthless. With only one game as scum you cant seriously build meta arguments.

So its worthless....because I have seen you in a case that is similar when you were scum only once?


If you are a doctor then you should of claimed targets already. Why have you not?

[Sajin]

Waiting on malpascp to give last target.

[Sajin]

I think...

that is all null and void with Dry's claim.

Eh? The connection between Bub and CD is still valid. My claim only clears Bub of being SK. He could still be a regular goon or godfather.

Also this.

Really, the connections between Bub and the dead scum is just too obvious.

Everyone, of all the following people, who do you think has more probabiliteis of being scum (mafia/sk)?

malpacsp
dramonic
Sajin
manho
Bub
imaginality

If you cant tell, this is my neutral/prob scum list from my first post.

I have been pointing this out Bub is likely scum all game Tajo. You could not understand that from my Iso?

The only thing keeping me from voting Bub at the moment is Dry-Fit's tracker reports.

I trust dryfit. Do you?

[Sajin]

@Tajo- The tracker results do not confirm at all. But they point to a likelihood of innocence I am not willing to lynch yet. 2 nights of no visits and that is your best case?

If you believe the tracker, you really want to lynch someone with a double no visit? No, the odds tell you not to. Your belief of this reeks of scummyness to me.

I did not like Tubby's play here. I dislike your's too. This is not the Tajo I know who came up with a plan to break another game's setup. This is you trying to get a convenient lynch.

Unvote; Vote: PopularTajo

[Sajin]

Agreed. With a dead scum roleblocker we may indeed pull this out.

Can we please lynch tajo now?

Also, forecasting tracker targets is retarded.

: With a dead roleblocker doctor+bodyguard is auto win if they protect each other. Assuming they are both telling the truth.

If Imaginality dies and flips bodyguard malpascp should get lynched.

Malp, with your doubts of imaginaility, are you also calling dry-fit a liar?

[Sajin]

I checked:

Vi
Rayfrost
Tubby
Malp
Alvinz

In that order. I didnt lay any breadcrumbs. I never do.

Can I get a short reason why you picked each of these targets?

[Sajin]

Alvinz...you claim this is LY/LO. Can you state clearly why you think it is so?

[Sajin]

dramonic...most of the point in asking a question like that is to be able to see the logic from THEIR point of view.

I could of done the same math.

I hate when someone else answers a question of mine directed to someone else.

(hint, I still want your answer alvinz)

[Sajin]

Hmm.

With Plum's above clarification what if the SK killed dramonic twice as dramonic protected himself?

If the SK does indeed have 2 kills, this is LY/LO.

Alvinz...never self hammer please. That is annoying.

[Sajin]

Ok so I received an answer from the mod. The bodyguard generates 1 doc like protection (as implied in the previous clarification)

but would not be able to be protected

as it dies as a role function rather than through a kill.

Therefore our plan was foiled by the mod's interpretation of the role and not the 2 claimed protections.

Assuming 2 kills on the tracker, the tracker would die (only 1 protection on him), the bodyguard would die(no amount of protection could save him due to how bodyguard's fucntion in this game) and deathnote and malp could of protected him, still had 2 deaths.

Malpascp and deathnote please unvote each other. Your not CCing each other through role actions. In fact the watch of deathnote clears malpascp from what I can tell.

(feel free to ask the mod the same question about interpretations of the bodyguard role. I have never seen an always dies clause before but there you go).

Now I need to reread to find out who I think is the SK but I definitely think it is Manho or Tajo. In the meantime, discuss this.

[Sajin]

this game.

im leaning to think there is one more scumbag in the mix and one sk.

Why? because dramonic pretty much thought yesterday would be game over and kamikazed alvinz. He should have thought there would be enough kills for endgaming the sk.

sajin information is good stuff and makes me think he is prob town. so what exactly happened that night?

malpacsp, who did you protect?

daethnote, same question.

I think we are missing critical information of night actions.

im going to ask plum some question about something that is bugging me with deathnote claim. More when I get the answer. Also ill check sajin questions.

My working theory:

2 kills on Dryfit

Imaginality bodyguarded Dryfit stopping 1 kill. Imaginality automatically dies due to bodyguard function.

Malpascp and/or Deathnote protected imaginaility to no effect.

End working theory.

Therefore the night action CC is unwarranted.

[Sajin]

ok, plum confirmed what sajin posted.

did malpacsp and deathnote both protected imaginality?

what bothered me about deathnote's claim is that he could use two abiliteis the same night. mod explained that there could be roles that could use more than one ability the same night.

im going to iso dramonic to find out more. pretty sure he expected those to be his last words, so I bet he slipped there.

Well then I misread. Deathnote said he targeted Dryfit, which wrecks some of my theory.

The point about malp still stands though.

[Sajin]

Currently the only scenario that makes since to me is that scum can NK and that malp killed imagine that night I watched. The SK then double killed Dry.

Either way, I find it hard to believe that Malp is the SK and is not the best lynch today.

I highly doubt the presence of more than 2 kills at the moment.

If there is no situation where 2 kills could have caused the result that we saw of the tracker/bodyguard with you telling the truth then the obvious conclusion in that you are lying, no?

[Sajin]

One of the main things keeping me from voting deathnote was a meta on play. Now that it is clear I should throw that out the window I will likely vote deathnote at this point.

(seriously, go look at his scum play in LoTA versus his townplay elsewhere)

(Side note- that affects scumhunting a huge amount, so I disagree with Plum's decision, but I will save this for post game/PMs)

But fine Tate, can we get your reasons for your suspects?

Your wanting to lynch Malp is absolute fail on your part...

Do you disagree with the fact that you cleared Malpascp?

[Sajin]

Roleblock targets all nights. Thanks.

[Sajin]

Also, why would you want to lynch malp then as evidenced earlier today?

That makes no sense from either of your claimed roles.

[Sajin]

we should definitely lynch the SK today or we will lose. so what's the SK's best tactic? yes, to claim the last scum and avoid the lynch.

@tate, are there clear interaction between you and your scum-buddy?

will look at DN's post later to decide if he's lying again.

Why do you think its lynch the SK or lose?

[Sajin]

Well its a normal game, I would wager tate should be the lynch today.

Tate slipped saying mafia have a kill which makes a double killing SK very unlikely. So lets get rid of the confirmed scum today and tomorrow we find the SK. Alternatively, Tate could be the SK and gambiting to try and survive.

Vote: Tate

[Sajin]

Considering you should have no motivation to actually lynch an SK if you are mafia and the last one, I like my vote.

5 people left. Lets say we lynch someone else and they flip SK. With 4 people left, you lose as mafia.

Therefore, this would be a bad play if you were telling the truth.

On the otherhand if you were the SK and were trying to use the roleblock and just get one more lynch off, then this gambit may make sense.

Either way, lynching you makes the most sense from my standpoint given all posibilities.


If you are what you say you are now....you have already lost so why do you even care?

[Sajin]

I am not going to no lynch with 5 people left. Thats stupid.

I move for lynching the claimed scum.

Then if the game continues still, we hope the SK only has 1 kill and or if they do have 2 that our doctor can stop 1 kill. And then we proceed with LY/LO.

[Sajin]

The correct play is to no comment no lynch imo.

If Malp wishes to say something I will let him have the chance though. Next post will be a no lynch if not.

[Sajin]

Well the correct play is to nl then

Vote: No Lynch

[Sajin]

Wiating for Malp and then no lynching again.

[Sajin]

Town's optimum play is STILL to nl with a claimed doctor alive otherwise we effectively remove his role from the equation.

Onus is still on scum with 4 alive and regardless of the above post, its very cheap to force town to remove a PR from having an effect at LY/LO.

I will be calling the scum after this game chicken in every game. Thats a promise.

[Sajin]

Did you read the thread CSL?

[Sajin]

@ Sajin: No. I was just posting some of my thoughts from the previous three pages, including this one. I will not accept a no lynch unless there really is no other way.

I will be busy tonight, so I'll try to get the first 15, or so, pages read by the time I go to bed.

Ordinarily I would consider you scummy for voting anyone while claiming to have not read the thread. Your lucky malp is obv town.

You do realize the reason I am for a no lynch is to

1: get better odds.

2: To force your role to have an effect. Lynching today negates its effect entirely.

3: Because scum is being snarky and not killing or refusing to kill the fairly obvious town doctor. The only reason I would consider lynching today is because malp/you are obvious town in my eyes. However another interesting angle to explore would be that scum really does have no kill as dramonic was claiming. After all, there have only been 2 kills every day and we did have a double kill SK flip. Does anyone else have any thoughts on that? If they do not, then we have 2 lynches here. But I find it incredibly stupid that the onus is on town to lynch at 4 man, as that should never be the case. I argue this same point on #mafia all the time when the mafia wants to keep no lynching to get a draw. Its stupid. A 1 time tactical no kill to try to force missinformation? Awesome. Trying to artificially improve odds by refusing to kill until the draw is forced? Stupid. I find it even more stupid that we are being forced into lynching by the mod but thats talk for post game.


Please read the rest of the thread and get back here, CSL. In particular, you need to read the reason why malp has been protecting me: scum really had no motivation to seek clarification for what happened with the tracker/bodyguard death night. Malp and deathnote (dead SK) both claimed a protection on one of those 2 and therefore were CCing each other. With only 2 kills this was impossible with only one protection so I figured out what the wrong assumption here was and asked the mod about it. After the mod's interpertation about bodyguards was clarified, then it was obvious that malp could of actually protected the bodyguard and still had the bodyguard die and it was quite impossible for deathnote to have protected our tracker as it would of taken 3 kills to cause what we saw happen. Therefore he claimed mafia which made zero sense and we lynched him.

Thats my summary from my perspective but please go read it for yourself.


If he wants to lynch though we are lynching then. Lets start discussing.

@Manho- Who is scum and why?

@Tajo who is scum and why?

[Sajin]

Ask, and ye shall receive.

Night 1: RayFrost
Night 2: Vi
Night 3: dramonic
Night 4: alvinz
Night 5: imaginality (Roleblocked)
Night 6: No Action
Night 7: Sajin
Night 8: Sajin

You were roleblocked?

[Sajin]

I imagine. Imaginality was killed that night, and malp's protect didn't go through. Action History states that he did indeed protect imaginality. Maybe our last scum is a roleblocker?

Finish your reread please.

[Sajin]

Manho: Who is scum and why?

[Sajin]

vote: Sajin

Well thank you of clearing Tajo of being mafia with a kill.

[Sajin]

What do you even mean, Sajin?

Your voting me. I am at L-1.

If Tajo posts, he is cleared of being mafia capable of killing as that is auto win.

[Sajin]

Are you saying that Tajo is scum?

No I think Manho is more likely scum.

[Sajin]

Tajo, I think I got roleblocked, since imag got killed anyways. And I think malp didn't send in an action N6.

I still think Sajin is scum. If Sajin flips town, I'll protect you this night, Tajo. If no kill happens, I'm voting manho tomorrow.

1- ok why are you still voting when you have not read most of the thread and you have not responded to my reasons for wanting to no lynch? Which is, as I recall, your reasons for voting in the first place.

2- Additionally please tell me why I as scum would of bothered to get Malp and deathnote out of 1v1 with each other over the bodyguards death issue.


Tajo is clear of mafia with a kill. CSL is obv town in my book with leaves manho. I agree with Tajo's reasonings about Manho's reasons for not voting dead scum.

In addition to that looking at the interactions between Tajo and dramonic druing Dramonics gung ho after possible SK charade make me think they are not partners.

Vote: Manho

[Sajin]

Also have you read the part where I posted exactly what I think happened that night that did not involve a roleblocker? This is entirely the reason why we lynched the SK yesterday.

Tajo, please explain that to him since he will clearly not listen to me.

[Sajin]

manho, can you provide reasons from your readthrough?

Are you going to respond to MY points?

[Sajin]

1- ok why are you still voting when you have not read most of the thread and you have not responded to my reasons for wanting to no lynch? Which is, as I recall, your reasons for voting in the first place.

2- Additionally please tell me why I as scum would of bothered to get Malp and deathnote out of 1v1 with each other over the bodyguards death issue.


Point 1 is referencing post 1993.

[Sajin]

@ Sajin: No. I was just posting some of my thoughts from the previous three pages, including this one. I will not accept a no lynch unless there really is no other way.

I will be busy tonight, so I'll try to get the first 15, or so, pages read by the time I go to bed.

Ordinarily I would consider you scummy for voting anyone while claiming to have not read the thread. Your lucky malp is obv town.

You do realize the reason I am for a no lynch is to

1: get better odds.

2: To force your role to have an effect. Lynching today negates its effect entirely.

3: Because scum is being snarky and not killing or refusing to kill the fairly obvious town doctor. The only reason I would consider lynching today is because malp/you are obvious town in my eyes. However another interesting angle to explore would be that scum really does have no kill as dramonic was claiming. After all, there have only been 2 kills every day and we did have a double kill SK flip. Does anyone else have any thoughts on that? If they do not, then we have 2 lynches here. But I find it incredibly stupid that the onus is on town to lynch at 4 man, as that should never be the case. I argue this same point on #mafia all the time when the mafia wants to keep no lynching to get a draw. Its stupid. A 1 time tactical no kill to try to force missinformation? Awesome. Trying to artificially improve odds by refusing to kill until the draw is forced? Stupid. I find it even more stupid that we are being forced into lynching by the mod but thats talk for post game.


Please read the rest of the thread and get back here, CSL. In particular, you need to read the reason why malp has been protecting me: scum really had no motivation to seek clarification for what happened with the tracker/bodyguard death night. Malp and deathnote (dead SK) both claimed a protection on one of those 2 and therefore were CCing each other. With only 2 kills this was impossible with only one protection so I figured out what the wrong assumption here was and asked the mod about it. After the mod's interpertation about bodyguards was clarified, then it was obvious that malp could of actually protected the bodyguard and still had the bodyguard die and it was quite impossible for deathnote to have protected our tracker as it would of taken 3 kills to cause what we saw happen. Therefore he claimed mafia which made zero sense and we lynched him.

Thats my summary from my perspective but please go read it for yourself.


If he wants to lynch though we are lynching then. Lets start discussing.

@Manho- Who is scum and why?

@Tajo who is scum and why?

Right here Tajo.

[Sajin]

1- ok why are you still voting when you have not read most of the thread and you have not responded to my reasons for wanting to no lynch? Which is, as I recall, your reasons for voting in the first place.

2- Additionally please tell me why I as scum would of bothered to get Malp and deathnote out of 1v1 with each other over the bodyguards death issue.


Point 1 is referencing post 1993.

No lynch = Draw.

You(scum) wanted to no lynch. Therefore, you are scum wanting to go for a draw.

Tajo, we can go after manho tomorrow if Sajin flips town. If we let Sajin go now, and kill manho today, Sajin will be scum who slipped under the radar, and win the game for his scummates.

Did you read any of my post? At all?

[Sajin]

Yes, Sajin. I did. Still convinced you are scum.

Ok well consider the possibility that you could be wrong.

And respond to the 2 questions/points that I asked of you.

[Sajin]

You have not addressed either point.....

[Sajin]

One day until deadline. Going for Sajin.

Unvote; Vote: Sajin

I do not think Tajo will be switching honestly.

You are the one insisting on lynching today (when you have not even read the entire thread). Therefore, what is wrong with manho that you would be willing to lynch him tomorrow and not today?

I have made a case why I am town. I have explained the actions that happened in a way that does NOT include a roleblock. Tajo has confirmed.

Manho has not.

If you do not wish to hammer manho, it will be you no lynching. If you are ok with that, then by all means.

And I really do not understand you thinking everyone is scum at this point.

You also have no idea on my meta. I always no lynch with 4 man to get better odds. Its not my fault that the mod wants to not allow that to happen.

[Sajin]

Clear

[Sajin]

Expect a larger post when I get off work.

And CSL, I still don't think you have read the game.

[Sajin]

Expect a larger post when I get off work.

And CSL, I still don't think you have read the game.

[Sajin]

Oh, duh.

Unvote

Are you clear? If you think so, show me reasons?

Not hammering in 3 man is the most clear you can get in a game of mafia.

Disagree?

CSL- The mafia unlikely has a kill judging from the flavor of the lynches (go read Plum in ISO). There was not really any reason for me to be clear from your doctor. The not hammering part though, absolutely.

Now CSL, do you think your play has been quite survivor like? You voted everyone but yourself yesterday at different points. Can you explain why you did that?

[Sajin]

I do not diagree.

I will read Plum in ISO shortly.

No. I was trying to find scum, and, apparently, manho was the scum.

All I know is that this is very weird. The game is going on still, and there are no scum left.

You know what?

Vote: No lynch

There seems to be no way that any of us is scum. (Yes, I did my reading N9. I found nothing scummy from you, nor Tajo.)

Get off no lynch plz.

[Sajin]

Unvote

I got off no lynch.

So, are we waiting for Tajo?

Yep

There is no reason to rush.

[Sajin]

Sure. Claim Tajo?

[Sajin]

So, now what? Since we can't lose.

Why do you think we can't lose? Detail this out please.


Now what? You two cross vote and I try to earn town a win. And you point out why the other person is scum/whatever role.

[Sajin]

Well. I do not think we have mafia remaining. Why would mafia have lynched mafia yesterday? That makes no sense.

So I think I am dealing with something else here. The question is, what?

What non mafia, but scum, role would make sense to be in the game here?

I would like both of your answers.

[Sajin]

If there was 2 scum left....why did you lynch your partner?

That seems....

And you had a 1 shot vig? This makes no sense.

Was it used already?