Percy wrote:Socrates 1062 wrote:Percy, you top suspect is Muh, and your next top suspect is Raivann, who has done nothing but push the Muh wagon? Huh.
Sorry, are we in multiscum, or aren't we? I've already said muh is unlikely to be Jupiter mafia, but that doesn't apply to Raivann.
@Merkabah: First paragraph is generous to muh, but I sympathise with your attitude towards lurkers. Second is fine. Third and fourth are fairly WIFOM - emphasising the unknowns in the setup and so forth to conjure up a "most likely scenario" which is just an oversimplification (imo). For example, coming out strong against a scumpartner like muh would (again, imo) be a great temptation for his buddies (if he has any). Also, I'm not suggesting that muh is guilty until proven innocent, as you imply...?
I want this "WHAT IF THERE IS TWO SCUM GROUPS!?!?!" paranoia to be put to rest for a bit.
Heres the rub. If there IS one scum group, they would be doing everything in their power to play up paranoia about the presence of a second scum group because it makes their lives MUCH easier. Essentially that can do whatever they want to various people because any normal association tells about whether or not they are town gets thrown out the window by an exclimation of "BUT THAY COULD BE UNREVEALED OH NOEZ". If there WAS two scum groups, that group would be doing everything in their power in order to downplay the existence of a second scum group, saying stuff like "We don't have confirmation of a second scum group, dammit!", because they would want their existance kept hidden for as long as possible, preferably the whole game.
The fact that everyone except Merkabah just kind of rolled with the multiscum idea is telling to me. I believe it was Glork who said earlier that a named scum faction doesn't mean anything about the presence of multiple scum groups.
Point the second: Look at our NK's. ONE of the Nk's is quite obviously looking for scum. (The brutally murdered kill flavor.) N1 was Snow_bunny, who was under intense scrutiny, N2 was DEVESTATION, who was also pretty scummy, and then N3 was Rayfrost - who I can understand someone being paranoid that he was a scum tracker or something.
BUT. The other NK flavor most certainly was not looking for scum to kill. N1 was Sensfan, N2 was Glork, probably blocked N3. (2 for 2 on power roles, I might add)
These NK's are consistant with a serial killer (or another vig) that is hunting for scum and a large scum group that is not.
I will not, I repeat, I will not lynch someone I don't think can be Jupiter mafia at this juncture.
For the sake of Irony:
We do not have confirmation of a second group, Dammit!
The alternative is that me and Merkabah are members of an unrevealed faction, and since I am not, and I think Merkabah is town, I have no alternative but to give the most epic of shrugs at the suggestion.
I will have more significant thoughts later.