Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[Diacria]

Ythan, spammin' already.
Una pregunta to all you peeps: What was the wagon dynamic OUTSIDE of the lynchin this game (i.e. which wagons built up and didn't result in a LYNCH).
Thanks!
(Yes, I'm too lazy to ISO neto and find out for myself etc. etc.)

[Diacria]

I didn't read a thing.
I want the wagon dynamic.

[Diacria]

Nevermind, I did it on my own.
Just being lazy.

[Diacria]

Love you too.

Horrordude0215

- 9 - pman5595, Ythan,

Crypto

, Lowell, ace5993, MoleStargazer,

JBernier93

,

Nobody Special

,

DedicatedScribe

,

Horrordude0215

,

RichardGHP

- (LYNCHED)
---

Nobody Special

- 9 - Ythan, Kison,

DedicatedScribe

, Riddick, Rikenslope,

Farside22

, Konowa, MoleStargazer, Unisght - (LYNCHED)
---

Dragonfly13

- 8 - Unsight, pman5595, Nachomama8, Ythan, Riddick, Lowell, Konowa,

Farside22

- (LYNCHED)
---

WRP_Beater

- 7 –

DedicatedScribe

,

JBernier93

,

Nobody Special

, Riddick,

SaintKerrigan

,

horrordude0215

,

RichardGHP

- (L-4)
-----

There is SCUM in {Pman, Ythan, Lowell, ace, Molest}
RIDDICK is also very likely scum.

Vote: Riddick

[Diacria]

WRPBeater wagon was large enough to make me think there was very likely scum on it.

[Diacria]

Ythan, Vote Analasys completely owned in Glitch, why are you ignoring it here?
I haven't read the thread probably won't be. Isoing Riddik and Lowell and that'll be it for the day.

[Diacria]

Ythan, you think there were NO SCUM on WRPBEATER's wagon?

[Diacria]

Did you rearrange the words in my post? Also thanks for letting me know 109 was over. Win for me.

And how did we net Spyrex on D2? VOTE ANALASYS! YAY!

I just realized my player slot was on the WrpBeater wagon too so you don't have the benefit of knowing I'm town...bleh.

I'm curious, why is Lowell scum?

[Diacria]

I am lazy, I might look at a few pages of stuff later.
PMAN! Be a hero and tell me why LOWELL is scum.

I think flavor analasys is stupid (Ythan...remember Glitch in Time Again, and how flavor analasys would have failed miserably?), Unsight, Ythan, Pmann all seem town.

[Diacria]

PMAN! Be a hero and tell me why LOWELL is scum.

he is on horrordude wagon day 1, no surprises. vanilla flip. Has suspicions of day 2 lynch, nobody special, but has a "complete 180" and is not on the wagon at the lynch. I think this was him not wanting to be on two townie wagons. He also has only said positive things about the revealed scum members, including townpoints that he "can't explain" for Dr. Cyanide.

Thank you!

Ythan: Flavor analysis is stupid and never works. Neto's last post already practically confirms that.

I'll go check out RIddik's slot now.

[Diacria]

Side note: I never got what the the ____ is tech stuff meant.

Flavor analysis is stupid because it never works with a competent mod. Neto is very likely a competent mod. Direct example: Look how flavor analysis would have failed miserably in Glitch in Time.

[Diacria]

NK MOs, which is a valid part of knowing what's going on when there are multiple kills a nigh

No it's not. Find me a single normal game where this works. Failmods who listed the mafia as killing the peoples in the flavor does not count.

[Diacria]

EBWOP: Nevermind, you don't need to. I already think you're town anyway and don't think I will convince you. Carry on.

[Diacria]

Oh, I thought WRPBEATER was the largest non-lynched wagon.
My bad...I guess I do have to scour Neto's iso now.
Riddik looks town for his last few posts. My initial thing may have been wrong...

unvote

[Diacria]

RTFT plz.

No.
I can get reads just fine following from when I replace in.
For my own benefit (olive = town read):
-------------------------------------
Official Final Vote Count
Players needed to lynch: 11

Crypto

- 1 -

Dr. Cyanide

- (L-10)

DedicatedScribe

- 1 –

Cirno

- (L-10)

Horrordude0215

- 9 -

pman5595

,

Ythan

,

Crypto

, Lowell, ace5993, MoleStargazer,

JBernier93

,

Nobody Special

,

DedicatedScribe

,

Horrordude0215

,

RichardGHP

- (LYNCHED)
Rikenslope - 1 - RayFrostWikiManager - (L-10)

WRP_Beater

- 2 -

Riddic

k, Rikenslope - (L-9)

Ythan

- 1 -

Horrordude0215

- (L-10)

Players not voting:

Farside22

, Konowa,

SaintKerrigan

,

WRP_Beater

-------------------------------------------
Official Vote Count
Players needed to lynch: 9

DedicatedScribe

- 1 - Lowell - (L-8)
MoleStargazer - 1 - RayFrostWikiManager - (L-8)

Nobody Special

- 9 –

Ythan

, Kison,

DedicatedScribe

,

Riddick

, Rikenslope,

Farside22

, Konowa, MoleStargazer,

Unisght

- (LYNCHED)
Rikenslope - 1 –

pman5595

- (L-8)

SaintKerriganl

- 1 -

JBernier93

- (L-8)

Players not voting:

Dr. Cyanide

,

Nobody Special

,

Startransmission

,

WRP_Beater

------------------------------------------
Official Vote Count
Players needed to lynch: 8

DedicatedScribe

- 1 - MoleStargazer - (L-7)

Dragonfly13

- 8 –

Unsight, pman5595

, Nachomama8,

Ythan

,

Riddick

, Lowell, Konowa,

Farside22

- (LYNCHED)
Lowell - 1 -

DedicatedScribe

- (L-7)
MoleStargazer - 1 - Kison - (L-7)
Ythan - 2 -

Dragonfly13

,

JBernier93

- (L-6)

Players not voting: Rikenslope
--------------------------------------
Official Vote Count
Players needed to lynch: 8

DedicatedScribe

- 1 - MoleStargazer - (L-7)
Lowell - 1 -

DedicatedScribe

- (L-7)
MoleStargazer - 1 - Kison - (L-7)
Rikenslope - 7 -

Farside22,

Unsight

, Konowa,

Ythan,

pman5595

, Lowell,

Riddick

- (L-1)

Ythan

- 2 -

Dragonfly13

,

JBernier93

- (L-6)
--------------------------------------
Official Vote Count
Players needed to lynch: 11

ace5993 - 1 - RayFrostWikiManager - (L-10)

DedicatedScribe

- 1 –

Cirno

- (L-10)

horrordude0215

- 2 –

Crypto

,

pman5595

- (L-9)
Musher333 - 1 - Lowell - (L-10)

RichardGHP

- 3 - MoleStargazer, Rikenslope,

Ythan

- (L-8)

SaintKerrigan

- 1 –

Farside22

- (L-10)

WRP_Beater

- 7 –

DedicatedScribe

,

JBernier93

,

Nobody Special

,

Riddick

,

SaintKerrigan

,

horrordude0215

,

RichardGHP

- (L-4)

Players not voting: ace5993,

Dr. Cyanide

, Musher333,

WRP_Beater

[Diacria]

Lovely.
Was the almost-role pm the only reason the Rikenslope wagon collapsed? (Yes I skimmed his ISO since he was the only unflipped guy with a huge wagon on 'im)

[Diacria]

If Rikenslope is town, at least of one of Lowell and Konowa are scum.
At least one of {Nacho, Lowell Konowa} is scum.

[Diacria]

EBWOP: The latter is without regard to Riken's alignment.

From quick double ISo scan (THANK YOU KISON!!!!!!!), I'm getting town from both Raywiki and Nacho.

[Diacria]

If you're not going to provide any reasoning then don't even bother posting.

Go up and look at the vote counts with all the pretty colors and work it out for yourself.

There is SCUM in KONO and LOWELL assuming TOWN {Ythan, Unsight, Pman, Nacho}.

[Diacria]

If Rikenslope is town, at least of one of Lowell and Konowa are scum.
At least one of {

Nacho

, Lowell Konowa} is scum.

There is SCUM in KONO and LOWELL assuming TOWN {Ythan, Unsight, Pman,

Nacho

}.

What was the initial scum read on Nacho from and what is the new town read from?

No scum read: I just looked at this

Dragonfly13

- 8 –

Unsight, pman5595

, Nachomama8,

Ythan

,

Riddick

, Lowell, Konowa,

Farside22

- (LYNCHED)

Nacho is town for Raywiki's obv town play. Especially the last few in his ISO. And my gut feels happy about Nacho this time around.

[Diacria]

I was asked via PM if any anti-town factions have been supplied with a vanilla townsperson PM. All anti-town factions have been provided with this PM.

And you didn't think that would have been helpful to mention yesterday when the entire town was acting under the 100% reasonable assumption that only pro-town players knew what pro-town role PMs looked like?

Seriously what the hell?

Two wrongs sure as hell don't make a right and that totally changes the voting landscape depending on when you gave it to the scum.

If Rikenslope is indeed scum and you sent them the PM before we unvoted him then you just freaking handed them a mislynch due to shitty moderating.

So when did you send it? Before or after Rikenslope was unvoted?

The town was stupid for not asking yesterday...it's fairly standard practice in normals, I was extremely suprised noone brought it up.
In general scum get a copy of the vanilla pm with their role.

[Diacria]

Just because you're obvtown doesn't mean you're in charge, especially looking at your horrendous record.

[Diacria]

molest also = town.

TOWN
Molest
Nacho
Pman
Dia
Riddik
Ythan
Unsight

EVERYONE ELSE
Lowell
Kison
Riken
Konowa

I'll have time to iso scan the EVERYONE ELSE section tonight. You might get a case from me even though I hate typing them out.

[Diacria]

Damn it...

Bore it into your brain that throwing out names = content.

Mod: Delete the above please

[Diacria]

Hi Ythan. How ya' doing?
And yeah, it would be lovely if all the stuff were redacted before too many get here. And you two could also do me the wonderful favor of keeping quiet if Neto get's here soon? Gracias.

[Diacria]

Oh yeah, Yth, you also have the benefit of being able to go look at my replacement meta now. No need to post it, but you can see that it's perfectly consistent. nacho would know too.
-Anyway, noone knows who I am as of now-

Nach, could you link me over to whatever that led to Rikenscum conclusion before he was wagonned? Nothing stands out from my iso skim.

[Diacria]

Ok.
You and Unsight being town are fairly obvious even though I disagree with you guys about almost everything. Explanation there is not needed.
Pmann is town because of the anti-flavor analysis, blatant showing of the self-preservation instinct, public willingness to jump on any wagon yesterday, and general feel from his tone.
Nacho is town because Raywiki's last few posts all sound ridiculously honest. Not sure yet on Nacho himself but he's graced by the person he's replacing.
Riddik is town because of his attitude concerning me when I started pressing him with the VA, telling me about rikenslope, and using pretty colors. Also another tonality one.
Molesttown came from my initial gut feeling from skimming his iso, this one is most liable to change.

Anyway you'll get who's scum blah blah etc. from me later.

[Diacria]

Pman is town because he's scummy? Or do you not consider those scum tells?

brb on that. I want to check a piece of his scummeta. A post of his at the end caught my interest.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13550 for those intesrested.

[Diacria]

Too scummy to be scum is a fallacy.

Anyways, I am fine with lynching Rikenslope or Diacria today.

I don't think wagonjumping and the self preservative action are scummy.

[Diacria]

At lot of the time I just don't do scumreads. I never trust them as much except for certain obvobv cases.

just a POE from here.

^^^this this this. He is so town
I really really think pmann is town. Pure gut, but I'm very confident in it.

I've been totally procrastinating on my iso-readings of kison/lowell/kono/riken. I'll really really finish by latest tomorrow, already started.
Can someone give me a short thing about why their was the big wagon on Riken yesterday?

[Diacria]

Was really busy over the last few days and most likely won't be able to be on most of tomorrow.
Short of time now too, but there will be content before today is over.
^^^Posted that in my other game under this account.

Skimmed what happened since I left though,

Sounds a little contradictory to me. Really, are you that confident in a read you have no evidence to support?

Not contradictory, I usually trust gut more than cases and logic and other stuff like that.
Rikenslope's posts as of last two pages don't look that bad. Need to check on horrordude to see if he really was as obvscum as pman says. Anyway, more later.

[Diacria]

Vanilla here.
RL is being stupid so I didn't have time get much of anything done.
I usually work off PoE.

[Diacria]

By PoE do you mean process of elimination, meaning that you look for town until a certain number of people are left, the number that you guess is how many scum there are? Or that you just go along with any wagon not on someone you've determined is town?

The latter to get a read to do the former.

[Diacria]

Why do you think I'm in an alt? I got the idea and decided to try it.
Usually work off PoE something like 50% but wanted to see what would happen if it got shifted up to 100.
And completely not trusting scumreads was bad wording from me, I'm usually just sick paranoid.
If I totally fail here I'll revert back to normal probably...

ANYWAY, you agree with all my town reads except for pmann and nacho, right? I got why people don't like pmann but what did Nacho's slot do. (No, I haven't had time to really read anything yet).

[Diacria]

Yes ythan, I do. And I'm telling you I wouldn't make an alt to just play exactly the same as I usually do...the whole point was to experiment a little.
ANYWAY (again), could I please please know what's making people say Nacho's slot is scummy?

[Diacria]

What actions aren't I accounting for?
I'm telling you my original intention when replacing into this was trying to see what would happen If I relied solely on townreads and PoE. Idea came from me going x and y is scum because everyone else is town in a few games and dropping it later for other stuff and wanting to see what would happen if I just followed through that way.

[Diacria]

Why else would I have made an alt? And my play thus far has been perfectly consistent with trying to live off PoE.

[Diacria]

lolwut?
Ythan, what do you think I am right now? Scum lying about their motivation to create an alt or what? I assure you I don't care the least about my meta.

[Diacria]

You've been saying you made the alt because you want to do something and don't want your meta involved.

I made an alt because I wanted to experiment and didn't want to do do on my main, yeah.
Ythan, this is becoming a big distraction. I think I made my motivation for making this account pretty clear already, and you apparently don't believe me. OK, fine, nothing I can really do. Could you please just tell me why Nacho is scummy.

[Diacria]

You're focusing on my motivation for creating an alt instead of focus sing on my reads. Apparently there is a disagreement with Nachotown, I want to find out why.

[Diacria]

I'm blind as a bat then, I don't see a contradiction.

[Diacria]

Yeah I think pman is town too.
Riddik, you an alt too?
And is your reason for rikenscum the same as pmann's? And do me a lovely favor and link to Nacho's farside thing you mentioned please.

[Diacria]

Dia has said that he thought pmann was the town for a while already.

[Diacria]

I am withholding my vote for now as I do want to see Diacria answer the questions posed. Clearly the flip will answer a lot of questions but any in game info seems more pertinent at the current moment.

OH HI. YOU HAVEN'T ASKED ME ANYTHING. HOW ARE YOU?

Lowell/Riddik/Nacho, I got pmann's reason for RIKENSCUM. Are you guy's the same as his?

[Diacria]

if i said process of elimination how much would you love me

cos that's basically what it is. him and lowell are probs the least likely to be town left so we work from there.

Oh hey, I think I know who you are. How are 'ya.

Why is anti-flavour analysis a town-tell? Same question for showing self-preservation. Hell, the same for wagon-jump-willingness.

I don't like going into too much detail for town reads. Give scum too much room for manipulation here and in the future. Not anwsering now. May think about doing it after the game.

Nacho, stop being stupid.
In case someone here is lame and hammers (Yes the below is the same as last time...):
Town: Ythan, Unsight, Nacho, Pmann, Riddik, Molest
People Left: Lowell, Riken, Kison, Konowa.

I hadn't voted because I'm not sure on Riken yet. I think horrordude was very readable as VI and I obv have different results from PoE than Riddik.
I'm still very sure that at least one of LOWELL and KONOWA is scum through the VA earlier, btw the too I would actually prefer Kono based on pure gut but that doesn't seem to popular opinion...

Ah what the hell.

Vote: Konowa

Vig should totally shoot one of those guys.

Oh yeah, Riddik: You think Kono and Kison are town, right?

EDIT: Scanned Riken iso. I DO NOT think he is scum.

[Diacria]

Nach.
PROBLEM: I think Riken is town right now. I'll go read his iso more carefully...but I don't forsee a change.

Btw, you never anwsered why you thought he was scum, only rid and pman did.

[Diacria]

...
You guys won't be switching then...

Unvote, Vote Riken

VIG< PLZ LISTEN TO ME IF RIKEN FLIPS TOWN< KTHX.

[Diacria]

Aight dudes, it's been fun. Go team.

[Diacria]

AGH DAMNIT.
VOTE ANALYSIS DOESN'T LIE.

[Diacria]

No we lost.
And Riddik continues beats me as scum again. When I had him after replacing in. Damn it. Thought he was someone else...

[Diacria]

No we lost.
And Riddik continues beats me as scum again. When I had him after replacing in. Damn it. Thought he was someone else...

Who?

Cobalt >.<