Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[Nobody Special]

Hi all! I'm Nobody Special. I have a spiffy wikipage, too. (I also like the word 'spiffy.') On with the answers:

@Everyone: If you are a cop with a guilty on Day 1, do you out yourself and risk getting NK'd or do you wait until you have minimum risk of being killed?

I've never actually been a Cop; on pure speculation, I think I would wait a bit. It all depends, of course, on the game situation and various other details that I couldn't possibly know until actually being in the situation.

What is your view on policy lynching?

I think that lynching lurkers & liars is a good thing. Lurkers will generally get a pass from me if there is someone super-scummy that isn't lurking. Liars, lynch them all.

Do you think scum or town lurk more?

I think players lurk. Some people play differently than others; lurking isn't something I put a lot of stock into (except to lynch them; see above).

How active are you here at MS?

Not as much as I'd like. Reality intrudes a bit too much for my liking.

[Nobody Special]

Hi, Ythan.

[Nobody Special]

Liars, lynch them all.

No.

Why not?

[Nobody Special]

Are you going to refer back to this later when you get caught in a lie?

As a side note, I just want to point out that I don't answer questions unless they are specifically directed at me.

(I know this one isn't; I'm pointing out a pet peeve. )

[Nobody Special]

Wow. Posty posters post much.

My thoughts thus far:

We need to hear more from Lowell, Dr. Cyanide, WRP_Beater, Rikenslope (promised), pman5595, ace5993 (promised).

Cirno needs to post more substance.

@DedicatedScribe: Why did you feel the need to tell us you probably would not move your vote? Also, why do you feel you may not move it? (Please note, these

are

two separate and disctinct questions. Please answer both. Thanks!) Oh, and third question: Why the rush to lynch?

@StKerrigan: What are your thoughts on lynching lurkers?

@WRP_Beater: You might be new, but you came in at exactly the wrong moment. Can you give us some thoughts on the game? Or mafia in general? Or, really, anything?

I'm waiting for a votecount before I place my vote. It is around the witching hour, per our Esteemed Mod.

[Nobody Special]

Well, I should specifically ask, I guess:

@Mod: votecount, please?

[Nobody Special]

Vote Count:


RichardGHP(4) - Farside22, Horrordude0215, SaintKerrigan, JBernier93
Crypto (2) - Dr. Cyanide, Molestargazer
Dedicated Scribe (1) - Cirno
RichardGHP (1) - Molestargazer
Horrordude0215 (1) -
Ace5993 (1) - Lowell
Musher333(1) - DedicatedScribe
WRP_Beater (1) - Crypto

_____________________________
Not voting (11): WRP_Beater, Nobody Special, RichardGHP, ace5993, RayFrost, Rikenslope, pman5595, SeptL, Ythan, Musher333, Horrordude0215
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Deadline: March 10, 4:00 PM EST
As always, please note any errors in the vote count.


(Vote counts are posted daily between 4 and 5 PM, as well as additionally whenever I happen to be on and have a bit of free time. At the very least, though, they will be posted around that time.)

I have no time to properly audit this right now, but you have twelve votes and eleven people not voting. But we only have 20 players.

See you tomorrow.

Oh, and

vote: WRP_Beater

[Nobody Special]

Ythan doesn't love me anymore.

@StKerrigan: What are your thoughts on lynching lurkers?

Depends on the type of lurking. Plain ol' lurking, do nothing about. Active lurking, on the other hand, is something I would consider lynching over.
Why ask me specifically?

FoS: WRP_Beater

for his convenient and timely entrance.

That's why. I wanted to know why you only placed a FoS on WRP rather than a vote. So, given what you said, would you consider lynching WRP? (I think you would; obviously, you're ready to lynch anyone based on how many times your vote has switched. )

FoS: DedicatedScribe for this wiki gambit thing. I wrinkle my nose at you, Sir.

Also, @Mod: Please note I voted in my post about the votecount.

[Nobody Special]

5)

fos nobody special

. The last 4 of his 8 total posts have all mentioned (or in some cases being entirely centered on) the vote count. Several of them mention how much time he doesn't have. As well, the "Oh, and vote: beater" rubs me the wrong way, like he's trying too hard to make his vote look like an afterthought. I can't think of a non-scummy reason to be obsessed with the votecount the way he is.

I keep obsessing over the votecount because IT KEEPS CONTINUING TO BE WRONG.

I'm a bookkeeper, sue me.

And the "Oh, and Vote: beater" is a reminder-vote because my previous vote had STILL not been counted.

Let's not count your vote for several pages and see how you feel.

My vote is currently on, and remains on, WRP_Beater.

[Nobody Special]

VOTE: WRP_BEATER

...for, like, the fourth time.

[Nobody Special]

Wadsworth?

[Nobody Special]

The butler? In HA2 or Clue? (Sorry, I'll stop now.)

[Nobody Special]

Not a very good question. No, I'd rather have a higher chance of being NKed.

Make this make sense.

why the wait? Haven't enough people posted? If everyone posts, will it increase the likelihood that you'll pick scum to target?

Or are you looking for the most viable target for a mislynch?

This wasn't explained satisfactorily.

Hmmm...I still want to say I see Richard as (bad) town. None of his mistakes seem major,

but subsequent.

What does this mean?

unvote
vote DedicatedScribe
HoS RichardGHP

Given the flimliest of excuses I will move my vote back.

Ythan, allow me a moment of laziness. Was this quoted post before or after RichardGHP's claim?

And, to answer your Beater question: it was the opportunistic posting --

nine minutes

after you called him on not posting -- that makes Beater so scummy. Remember now?

[Nobody Special]

So, Ythan, you feel that DS is far scummier than Beater?

I also see that DS moved his vote from musher (rememebr the vote that he was "sure" he wouldn't be moving? Yeah.) onto Beater.

Potential scum-team? Dunno, thinking out loud here.

Thoughts?

(If you remember the post, why'd you ask the question? Uh oh. Was that one of those I-wasn't-supposed-to-answer things?)

[Nobody Special]

Why did I ask what question? Why did I ask the Beater wagon what was scummy about him?

That's what I want to know.

[Nobody Special]

Happy Birthday, Ythan. Here, have a post!

[Nobody Special]

1. SaintKerrigan
4. WRP_Beater
6. RichardGHP

9. horrordude0215

Dude today, reevaluate cases on Kerrigan, Beater, and Richard tomorrow?

As much as it physically pains me to agree with Ythan, I do.

unvote

vote horror

He just keeps getting worse.

I'm not happy about Rikenslope's sudden jump onto the Beater wagon, either.

[Nobody Special]

Ythan, can you comment on post 669? Thanks, ever so.

[Nobody Special]

Okay.

unvote.

Vote: Richard

GPS

GHP

I think that HDude is just being too-newb. I don't think he's scum. (HDude: If you do flip scum, I will hate you. Forever.)

FoS: Ythan.

Too much attention being paid to HDude. Let's do Richard today, possibly StKerrigan (or maybe, just

maybe,

you!) tomorrow. Deal?

[Nobody Special]

You're honestly going to FoS me for that and then talk about lynching me tomorrow when it's your first mention of any suspicion against me? Now that is suspect.

I think that HDude's case is unraveling, and you are hanging on like a dog with a bone. That's the first mention of it, yes; that's why you only get the finger instead of the whole vote.

[Nobody Special]

Okay.

unvote.

Vote: RichardGPSGHP

I think that HDude is just being too-newb. I don't think he's scum. (HDude: If you do flip scum, I will hate you. Forever.)

FoS: Ythan. Too much attention being paid to HDude. Let's do Richard today, possibly StKerrigan (or maybe, just maybe, you!) tomorrow. Deal?

Whoa! Umm what is your reason's for this vote and your lining of of lynches?

Wow. I was sure -- nay, positive -- that I had previously voted for Richard, and was simply moving my vote from HDude back to Richard. This seems not to be the case.

My case on Richard largely reflects the general thread thinking. If you guys really want me to make my own, original, case, I will. But it'll have to be tomorrow; going home soon.

Oh, and I tend to agree with Ythan about Richard and (to a lesser extent) StKerrigan. But with his (Ythan's) continuing tunneling on HDude, I will really have to re-read and support it myself.

[Nobody Special]

Here's the deal: I'm sick of the bickering.

Vote: horrordude

I read the forty-two-thousand pages of back-and-forth; I don't recall another vote besides farside's; she says he's at L-1, I think he's at L-2. Either way, if I'm hammering, so be it.

[Nobody Special]

Glad the Richard issue was cleared up. And dead scum too!

Need to reread isos again in light of stuff.

Perfect tell, commenting on the obvious. You mostly appear town, but IGMEOY.

@Unsight: Please explain how a 7-minute gap can be explained away as "simultaneous." (post 996)

I don't like StK's post 997. It just doesn't sit well with me.

Believe me, I'm a VT. Why would I lie when I am daykilled? You've just wasted a daykill.

I read this as very not genuine.

I agree with you.

I also agree. Then, coupling this with his "convenient" entry into the thread -- remember that? -- keeps WRP high on my list.

@StK: in your post 1018, you continue this supposition of 'simulpost.' Why?

(Note to self: check jbernier's posting about Ythan><HDude)

Okay, the three-way between farside, Ytahn, and SK about gratitude and whatnot is really raising a red flag here. If anyone can shed light on that, please, do.

So, I guess this means my top three are, in no certain order:

Ythan
StKerrigan
Unsight
farside

Four. Top four. Someone really needs to explain to me this 'ungrateful' thing. Also, I find myself, on preview, agreeing with two of my top picks. Hmmm. I need to read a few people in iso.

[Nobody Special]

Anyone want to tell me that they find this ^ town and then tell me why?

Your lucky I want to pressure jb or I would be voting you for role fishing.

I assume you're talking about the three-way thing? I don't see it as rolefishing, I see it as three players colluding into something the rest of us don't know anything about, which just drips of scumminess. If I'm missing something, please let me know.

@Unsight: Please explain how a 7-minute gap can be explained away as "simultaneous." (post 996)

Many posts take a long time to write. For example, my vote post on SaintKerrigan took me about 30 minutes or so to write. During that time, I was not hitting refresh along the actual thread to see any new posts. Anything that came up in between when I hit "Reply" and "Submit" is basically a simultaneous post.

In the context of Rikenslope's post, there was no mention or addressing of Richard's roleclaim. A 7 minute gap and not mentioning something as large as a roleclaim makes it pretty difficult to interpret it as anything else... unless you're deliberately trying to.

I guess I have a different style of posting. When I preview my posts, I check the bottom of that window to see if anything new has been posted. ::shrug::

[Nobody Special]

Do you know scum to talk like the 3 of us in thread NS?
What makes it so scummy?
I noticed you didn't look at who cryto could be scum with and you follow ythan who you called town and scum in the same post.

No, scum don't talk in-thread like that. It's an unknown situation to me, and I am afraid of the unknown. Unknown == scum.

Yeah, I have really mixed feelings about Ythan.

[Nobody Special]

I want a play by play explanation of everything that went through your head from the moment you first read my name to the moment it appeared on your suspect list.

People in hell want ice water, too; doesn't mean they get it.

My entire suspicion of you is based on this 7 minute gap being called a simpulpost. That's it.

[Nobody Special]

My entire suspicion of you is based on this 7 minute gap being called a simpulpost. That's it.

um???????/ sarcasm?

Nope.

That being said, I do need to do a big, huge re-read. Tomorrow.

[Nobody Special]

Wall O' Text Incoming!!

I know exactly the post you're talking about. I thought he was saying that he, and therefore maybe other players, don't like having questions leveled against them without some indication in the post of who they're for.

That's exactly it. I don't like it when people answer questions aimed at specific players, and so I don't like to answer questions not aimed directly at me, or generally at everyone.

I looked at the post times between RichardGHP's roleclaim and Rikeslope's vote and saw that there was a 7 minute difference. Easily enough time for it to be simultaneous post. It would have made more sense to me to point out RichardGHP's roleclaim and see what was going on instead of immediately hopping votes (yet again). Just a very thoughtless vote that, while not necessarily a scum tell like the rest, is annoying.

@Unsight: Please explain how a 7-minute gap can be explained away as "simultaneous." (post 996)

So, I guess this means my top three are, in no certain order:
Ythan
StKerrigan
Unsight
farside

How does the 7-minute gap thing in any way lead you to believe that Unsight is scummy, especially considering she(?) said, in her post, that it wasn't even a contributing factor to her case?

Glad the Richard issue was cleared up. And dead scum too!
Need to reread isos again in light of stuff.

Perfect tell, commenting on the obvious. You mostly appear town, but IGMEOY.

Holy flimsy batman.

Vote: Nobody Special

- That post of yours reeks of someone trying desperately to find stuff to comment on.

The 7-minute gap being pushed as a 'simulpost' makes me think that Unsight was reaching; trying to force a case where there wasn't one.

It fits well within the framework of Lowell as scum.

I didn't say I think you're scum. Temper.

Hair-splitting. Any reason why you said this and then tried to backpedal?

I guess I have a different style of posting. When I preview my posts, I check the bottom of that window to see if anything new has been posted. ::shrug::

My entire suspicion of you is based on this 7 minute gap being called a simpulpost. That's it.

So, an apparent disconnect leads you to suspicion? I am not buying that. The flimsy fencesitting comment about Ythan plus rolefishing.

vote Nobody Special

---

Will be back with more after I eat.

I see the world in very black-and-white terms, for better or for worse. Everyone should do things as I do, and if they don't, I like to know why. (Yes, I'm like this IRL; be glad you don't know me.)

Vote: WRP_Beater.

Some of you are really making good points.

Now here's a true, albeit funny, simulpost.

Why would you think I know if there is a vig?

Because you said you wished for a vig. That implies you already know there isn't one. The only way you could know that there is no vig is if you are a Serial Killer.

the kill on the mafia is either vig or sk.

I don't know which and I never assume.
I did my comment in mussing more. For someone who was trying to make comments earlier today about me being greatful you certainly jumpy about things you know nothing about SK.

Rather than put words in your mouth, can you explain/clarify the bolded part?

I don't think that not wondering about the alignment of an unconfirmed doctor is an indicator of knowing too much.

I think that wondering about the alignment of an unconfirmed doctor is an indicator of knowing too much.

Would you say these two statements are equivalent? Anyone may answer. In fact, I'd like a plethora of answers to that.

Ythan, good to know you are in a thoughtful mood.

Do you know scum to talk like the 3 of us in thread NS?
What makes it so scummy?
I noticed you didn't look at who cryto could be scum with and you follow ythan who you called town and scum in the same post.

No, scum don't talk in-thread like that. It's an unknown situation to me, and I am afraid of the unknown. Unknown == scum.
Yeah, I have really mixed feelings about Ythan.

Loling at the part about unknown, let's focus on the bottom part.
What is your opinion on Ythan, NS? On a scale of 1-100, also.

Currently, I think Ythan is town-leaning. 0 being Totally Town, 100 being Mafia Grand Poobah Overlord, I'd put him at about 35.

I'm responding to post 1233 (and beyond) separately; this is long enough as is.

[Nobody Special]

Now, about NS:

1. How experienced are you? I want links to your mafias, finished and ongoing.

2. At the point of your 4th post, did you think you had posted more content than those you said needed to say more?

3.

Ythan doesn't love me anymore.

@StKerrigan: What are your thoughts on lynching lurkers?

Depends on the type of lurking. Plain ol' lurking, do nothing about. Active lurking, on the other hand, is something I would consider lynching over.
Why ask me specifically?

FoS: WRP_Beater

for his convenient and timely entrance.

That's why. I wanted to know why you only placed a FoS on WRP rather than a vote. So, given what you said, would you consider lynching WRP? (I think you would; obviously, you're ready to lynch anyone based on how many times your vote has switched. )

Did you think SK should have voted for WRP?

4.

And the "Oh, and Vote: beater" is a reminder-vote because my previous vote had STILL not been counted.

Let's not count your vote for several pages and see how you feel.

My vote is currently on, and remains on, WRP_Beater.

Where was the previous vote? You never said much about why you voted Beater.

Glad the Richard issue was cleared up. And dead scum too!

Need to reread isos again in light of stuff.

Perfect tell, commenting on the obvious. You mostly appear town, but IGMEOY.

/agrees. Wow.

Do you know scum to talk like the 3 of us in thread NS?
What makes it so scummy?
I noticed you didn't look at who cryto could be scum with and you follow ythan who you called town and scum in the same post.

No, scum don't talk in-thread like that. It's an unknown situation to me, and I am afraid of the unknown. Unknown == scum.

Yeah, I have really mixed feelings about Ythan.

Where's the FoS?

And, to answer your Beater question: it was the opportunistic posting --

nine minutes

after you called him on not posting -- that makes Beater so scummy. Remember now?

Where's the vote?

1. My games (linked and everything!!) are all on my spiffy wikipage.

2. No.

3. I think each player should analyze and vote according to their own style. (IOW, I'm not going to get into mind-reading.)

4. Remember my iso post #4? The one where you ask if I think other players should post more? Yeah, in there I address Beater.

On re-reading my own iso, I see that that "reminder" vote was, in fact, my first time voting for Beater. My bad. All, I can say is I truly thought my vote had been placed, and was not being counted.

@Mod:

Please accept my apologies for smudging you.

[Nobody Special]

Rather than put words in your mouth, can you explain/clarify the bolded part?

What is there to explain with the bold.
Either the one that killed the mafia (aka crypto) is a vig or SK. Since Saint pointed out that the mod just put mafia goon there can't be a second mafia and there is no other kill exist for a normal game. As anything else that can kill is not normal.

Sorry; I get what you're saying now. I just had trouble parsing that sentence for some reason.

[Nobody Special]

Nice stalking, Ythan. It takes time to create my patent-pending Humonguous Walls O' Text, you know. (Primarily because I'm so damned fussy about spelling and quote tags. Among other things.)

Gimme a few minutes, if y'all can spare them.

[Nobody Special]

Mod, I voted for NS.

Yes, that fallacy that 1 bit of wrongness in a post makes its entirety incorrect.

You also ignored parts of my post.

Sorry, I'll check back on it and see what I missed.

And you never commented on your voting pattern related to horrordude. Only 3 posts about him yesterday, a vote, an unvote, and then a vote again.
First, horrordude is terrible.
Then, he is defin town.
And then you vote him just because of annoying bickering.

Note that I didn't hammer horrodude for being (or appearing) scum; I hammered because I thought it would be in the best intereest of Town to end that garbage and move on. I still think Beater could be scum.

And today, you fail to show any sort of commitment that comes with a vote, or even an FoS.
Even yesterday, you showed little commitment on your WRP vote once the Mod decided to add it to the vote count.

I haven't committeed today as the day is still young.

Your opinion on SK's opinion on WPR_Beater is also bad. If you believed what you said, why did you ask him why he FoSed instead of voting?

I explained this already -- I wanted to know StK's position on policy lynching. Asked and answered.

You seem to go after the lousiest "tells", despite your experience in Mafia, and seem to be playing much more different than those other games you've flipped town in.

Despite my 'experience' in Mafia (and thanks for the vote of confidence!), this is my first Large Game, and I feel like I'm floundering a bit.

I'm satisfied with my vote.

I'm so happy for you.

I still have to catch up on this page. Please bear in mind, if you happen to be following my mafia games, I'm doing more than just mafia right now. (I may actually have a date tonight! That's surely a rare occurence...for me, at least.)

[Nobody Special]

I still have to catch up on these last two pages.

Fixed.

[Nobody Special]

Okay, I finally get the quote thing about me & Rikenslope. I didn't say anything when Riken said the same thing Ythan said. (Hey, I never said I was quick.) Truth is, Rikenslope is way low on my radar. I just didn't notice it.

Big Post coming.

[Nobody Special]

NS didn't mention horrordude untill he voted him on Day 1. I don't see any time he expressed suspicioun of horrordude before this. if there was could you point it out? Also what changed your mind on him? Is there one particular post or was it a number of things?

1. SaintKerrigan
4. WRP_Beater
6. RichardGHP

9. horrordude0215

Dude today, reevaluate cases on Kerrigan, Beater, and Richard tomorrow?

As much as it physically pains me to agree with Ythan, I do.

unvote
vote horror

He just keeps getting worse.
I'm not happy about Rikenslope's sudden jump onto the Beater wagon, either.

^^ this post is the first time I can find him mentioning him. if he 'keeps getting worse' surely you'd have noted the fact he was bad before?
(I ctrl _f'd horror in your posts to make sure i hadn't missed a reference)

I didn't mention horrodude until voting because he was only on my periphery. But he did just keep getting worse. Then, I re-thought the whole thing, and placed my vote on Beater. And, as has been said multiple times, I finally got tired of the bickering.

:Perfect tell, commenting on the obvious.

You mostly appear town,

but IGMEOY.

Bolded mind
Same post:

So, I guess this means my top three are, in no certain order:
Ythan
StKerrigan
Unsight
farside

Then that.
Nobody Special can you explain how someone who appears mostly town appears in your top 4 scum reads?? I'm really confused by this.

No, I can't explain that. Brain fart? Too many games? My first Large Game? Hell, I'd vote me right now if that wasn't a scummy thing to do.

Here's what I was looking for.

Glad the Richard issue was cleared up. And dead scum too!

Perfect tell, commenting on the obvious. You mostly appear town, but IGMEOY.

Morning all...
So Richard is gone and so is Crypto.
One townie, one mafia.
Not bad for a night 1...I guess. Although I could have done without seeing a townie PR gone so quickly. I am going to re-read day one and come up with a more substantive post a little later.

Nothing.

This is also an interesting piece of that particular puzzle if you didn't see.

I do not, at all, see what you seem to be implying here. The middle quote isn't even me! Are you implying a scumteam?

I get it now, see my previous post.

[Nobody Special]

NS, are you explaining more that one point as a "brain fart"?

vote count please

No, just that one, single, point.

[Nobody Special]

NS how did you manage to have a brain fart in the same post? I'd think you'd surely remember what you'd type just above? Didn't you say earlier you previewed all your posts to check for new ones, don't you read over your posts then?

Yes, I check for new posts; no, I don't *always* re-read my own. And sometimes I get interrupted.

[Nobody Special]

I don't think its too early to request a role claim.

Isn't it standard for someone NOT voting me to request the claim?

[Nobody Special]

Note to self: respond to post directed at me on page 55.

Note to everyone else: I had a bad day today, not feeling well among other things. Not excusing my absence, just explaining.

Promise to answer that p55 post and post my top two tomorrow. Maybe some other content, too.

[Nobody Special]

Good morning all! (Today is being better than yesterday.)

Claimtime!

I am Town.

I will have actual, real Content(tm) in the next two hours.

[Nobody Special]

Good morning all! (Today is being better than yesterday.)

Claimtime!

I am Town.

I will have actual, real Content(tm) in the next two hours.

Oh sure I feel like being the silly one.

NS can you please paraphrase your win condition from your PM.

Please, tell me why, exactly, you hate me.

We've already been through a huge, non-productive back-and-forth over a paraphrase of win condition.

Why? Seriously, there are so many ways to paraphrase, and I can't direct-quote for fear of being modkilled. You're putting me between a rock and a hard place. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

This is an anti-town request, IMHO.

[Nobody Special]

My apologies, I'm powerless (or Vanilla, if you prefer).

[Nobody Special]

Unsight, you apparently missed the kerfluffle.

And you're welcome.

[Nobody Special]

Sorry for the separate post but I don't want him to miss it.

Nobody Special:

I'll make it easy for you. Ignore my other

five

six posts and explain what you think about the three segments below. For each, explain whether you think the point is valid, and why or why not. If you yet again ignore my post then I swear I will smack you with a stapler till your head falls off. (ok maybe not. )

Ready... Set... Go!

Need to read up a bit, and then I'll post content.

That would be really nice seeing as how you've done very little of the sort this whole game. You've mostly been making fluff posts and bandwagon hopping so far with your only defense of your antics being this:

Richard's outdoing himself in the scum department.

Unvote: WRP_Beater. Vote: RichardGHP.

Alright this is the second time you flipped your vote with lack of reasoning and following.

unvote:
vote: SK

I saw you do this with WRP and now richard. It reminds me of opportunistic scum tactics I have seen too often. Jumping from one BW to the other.

I'm doing more following than leading right now because my head's not completely in this game.

It's really hard to look positively at you when many of your posts consist of "You're scummy. Vote you" with "you" usually being whoever is the most likely bandwagon at the moment.

Very valid point. Vote-hopping and joining the latest

craze

bandwagon is something scum tend to do, IME.

Also, you defended horrordude and crypto on page 28:

Also, I'm not sure I buy into the Crypto "scumslip" theory.

Defending a scum partner?

This is a valid question (question=/= point, IMO) because StK just dumping that statement out there with ni other explanation is not pro-town.

Meh, I'm not sure I buy into this horrordude wagon.

"Knowing too much" and sitting on the fence is a scum tell to me. You doubted the bandwagon on horrordude but you put forth only a half-hearted effort to stop it. I didn't get the impression that you were really trying to do anything other than justify yourself sitting on the fence now after your voting storm on previous pages.

Another valid point. Fence-sitting is something that scum often do; and, IMO, StK did little or nothing to stop the HDude bandwagon.

All in all, yes, a valid case. (Which reinforces my prior admission that my suspicion on Unsight was solely for the 7-minute thing.)

Feel better now?

[Nobody Special]

@MoleStargazer: If I paraphrase my win condition, there is about an equal chance that half the living (town) players will think I've done it wrong, therefore I'm scum. The other half will think I've paraphrased correctly, thinking (knowing?) I'm town. I can't win for losing, therefore, I'm not answering.

@Farside: Not you and me personally; I meant "we" as in the Living Players. Or All Players, since it happened D1. Or whatever. IOW, No, not you, farside, and me, NS. And yes, I went looking for it. And that was what cinched my decision not to answer. I refuse to open that can o' worms.

[Nobody Special]

My top two:

StKerrigan
farside

...for reasons already expressed.

[Nobody Special]

Okay: I admit, when I latched onto the 7-minute thing, I didn't really pay much attention to the rest of the case. Now that I have, it seems perfectly valid.

I'm doing this wrong, aren't I?

[Nobody Special]

@MoleStargazer: I'm not paraphrasing. Do what you must.

[Nobody Special]

Fascinating setup.

Great game! I just wish I could've survived longer.

And I would've, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids! :: shakes fist ::