Mafia 113: Mafia in Mendo ~ Game Over
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I wont be doing any of the above. But I am not convinced that we should say "on pain of lynch" untill we actually see the situations in detail. I would agree with that if there were a clause saying something like. 'If and only if, there is no justifyable excuse' or something similar.
Can I ask all a question:
How much mafia have you all played?
I have 3 completed games was town in all and won all.-
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I sense that sirdanilot is assuming the sort of authority he would have as an IC in a newbie game, he does not have this here we are all equals.
1/ I therefore see his manner as a way to lead town.
2/ I also think he sits on the fence calling The Fonz null, it may be true but he could have not hedged his bets so much "it might just be playstyle..." etc.
3/ It could also be called active lurking. Why even mention it if it just his playstlye, it is not as if anyone was suspecting him or writing him off. It was attempt to look like contribution without there being any.
4/ He also copied my question, admitting to it. why??? a clear attempt at buddying with me!
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This guy is scum,I will prevote sirdan-
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Active lurking is always scummy. And you can active lurk in one post. So long as that post is not contributing when it should have been.
Leading town is scummy when done in such a way that it stops (or attempts to) the line of thoughts that were going on.
The point about the null read was that I didnt see the need for it at all, it was just words.
You can always scumhunt!
You did not address the buddying point, a clear attempt to get me onside!!!
Diacra's vote on me is crap. It stems from him/her? not agreeing with my case, disagreeing is not a scum tell.-
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Mostly newbie games, but I have also played in Pick Your Poison IV a mini normal.
Currently in two other newbies as well.
Other situations to break your contract. Off the top of my head, what about lying about the nature of their role (dont react to this obviously people it is not rolefishing) such as how many shots or something like that. I dont know but the point I was making is that we need to examine each situation in isolation.
I do not accuse you The Fonz because you only asked for people to comment on your proposition, I felt sirdan did more than this.-
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Crap sorry PYP4 wasnt normal sorry.
Link is here. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=775-
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I strongly think we should be scumhunting now, there is nothing different now apart form the fact not every player has confirmed. We will get to see the players that are delaying this confirmation and we get to examine everyone's play.
The Fonz, why do you think me prevoting a player that I find scummy means I am the sort of player who will screw things over later in the game???
I had better get this on record, I didnt really suspect sirdan I just thought I could stretch more points on him than anyone else at the time. I am trying to lead by example and scumhunt rather thanjusttalk about theory.
I think looking at specific players is more important than theory discussions.
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But you said it was hard to scumhunt deer, not you didnt want to. Which is it? Or both?
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I dont know a great deal about the game but I dont think I am going to play that badly. If you think I believed a word of my accusation you were wrong, I was just trying to get scumhunting going. I dont really get what I have done wrong.
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Thank you for the compliment The Fonz. And I will happily promise not to lie about my role, and as I indicated I agreed with all your points in principle. I was just worried by the definite lynching element of it. I misunderstood what post you were moaning at me for.
My mafia history??? Can you elaborate (it sounds like a meta). I dont make silly plays, I got told off for fake claiming VT in my first ever game, I was a doc. We still won fortuantly but I learnt my lesson there. That said I am still able to take advice and will do.
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Sirdan. I have already answered why I felt you were different to The Fonz, I felt you were trying to direct whereas The Fonz was just making a suggestion.
I think that it can be dangerous and maybe I was wrong to make up an accusation from nowhere. But equally it can get people talking and it did. I was worried about the direction of conversation and tried to change it.
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Now the game has really started. I will voteDeerfor the slight inconsistency I pointed out near the end of pregame. I do not think he had a valid reason not to scumhunt.
@Damon: you could have joined us at the time. but good to see you now.-
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I meant it ispossibleto active lurk in one post, not every off topic comment it active lurking. For example (an extreme case) say you are the third person to post and the other two have both provided content, if you then make a really big post that takes hours to compile, but every line is a joke then I would consider it active lurking. Town thrives on content.
My policy on lurking full stop is to stop it before it starts, so try to include everyone in the discussion and mention it if I see someone falling off their normal posting schedule. This means that when I first mention lurking of a player it is not always a scum factor for me.
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Sorry Ythill I knew the rule just failed typingvote: Deerwith the bold correctly as I have now done.
Hey guys, can we have reasoning with these votes otherwise the rest of us cannot understand your thinking.
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I am a newb, but I hate people using it as an excuse so I rarely introduce myself as such. I try to emphasize my f2f games because i have played hundreds and a lot is transferable. (I accept not all)
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Diacria why did you change your mind on me??? Against the grain of conversation if I may say.
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So you guys are voting Deer not because you have any new info, but you recognise that I have a small point and we need to put some pressure on?
But surely the three of you calling it a bandwagon, and talking about getting the game rolling reduces this slightly???
Oh well atleast it will get my question answered.
V/LA untill tomorrow about this time, soz but it will be daily posts most weekdays if I am honest.-
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Firstly not scumhunting is in my eyes scummy. But there was also a contradiction deer.
In #45 you say it is very difficult to scumhunt. When pushed on it you change your mind and in #51 you seem to swing the argument and suggest we shouldnt scumhunt because not everyone is here. Now you are saying it was difficult again.
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OMGUS vote everyone btw. I was the only one really pushing the deer wagon properly so it is no suprise it is me who is scummy for it.
My calling people out for not scumhunting is scumhunting in itself because i see not scumhunting as a scum tell.
Also I asked about BV's random vote, the three people who got onto your wagon deer and obviously attacked sirdan. It is a little harsh to say I havent scumhunted.
My iso is ok I think alhtough I will try to make it better.-
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Your gut read on Jack was not scumhunting. It was one sentence long, and mentioned a vote without reason, which is not a scum tell although annoying, the only point you had was Jack moaning about wuestions being askes so one proper point! Not equivalent to the three examples I pointed at, these were just examples I am sure looking at my iso properly I could find more. I also followed through on mine properly. If you count asking questions as scumhunting I have done a lot more than you.
Lurker hunting, and calling people out for scumhunting is scumhunting. Of course it is. I dont understand your argument why it isnt. If I consider it scummy, which I do then calling someone out for it is scumhunting.
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What I meant was that I think you genuinely see a need for all these questions, despite the fact we are yet to see anything come of any of these questions. It isnt a 'term' just something I used.
I do not think I have been the most protown player here but that does not take away my right to criticise others and ask them to do better. Perhaps you looking at me can be considered scumhunting though so this element of the case is reducing.-
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Deer the other point was the contradiction point. Maybe I am the only one who read it that way???
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I agree I want the softclaiming answered for btw.
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Horrordude! What do you consider your primary aim in this game if you are working for town right now??? I seriously think you have it wrong.
Scumhunting was possible because people had psoted nad those people might have been scum. Even if you disagree with that why does it make sirdan scummy???!!! That said, any suspicions Damon or HackerHuck???-
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^The Fonz wrote:Pretty much anyone, actually, I think Sirdan is probably in the least scummy fifth of the players at the moment.
This
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Dont like the recent Diacria posts, they feel silly but not necessarily scummy.
I do not want to lynch Furcolow!!! But the claims was a claim and was bad and I have no idea why he did it.-
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Sirdan and The Fonz please dont wade into the theory discussion (I know you are trying to avoid it) but I think if ti goes too much further I will consider it lurking and therefore scummy because we all warned of it earlier as well.
I will actuallyVote Jacksirdan makes a bit of sense to me in truth.
I would like Jack to post to three posts he has made that have actively helped town.-
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No I dont think you do look like doing that. But if you look at your post above the post where I first mention this you will understand why I wanted to make the warning. That said this discussion is no better.
How easy is meta to change The Fonz??? Because if you only have read one or two games they may be outliers compared to his normal play. If you read my meta I cannot imagine it would tell you much because I have only finished four games so I am still adapting with respect to game style. I am always wary of people placing too much emphasis on meta.
That said if it works for you then go ahead it is not something to discourage merely question.-
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I did but this was talked about enough for me to be happy that scum had noticed it. So now it is necessary to get said info out. Lots of people have been breadcrumbing PRs I am not mentioning them all. That said atleast some of these people must be scum.The Fonz wrote:
Guys, has no-one figured out yet that if someone drops a breadcrumb, the thing for town players to do is IGNORE it?Nicodemus wrote:. If you're going to drop crumbs like that weneedto know what you're talking about.
Assuming that's what he's doing at all, which i doubt.-
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@Nico, I admitt this hasnt been my best game so far. But there has been content out there. I was the only one to put up any case on Deer the early bandwagon for example. I could have been a lot worse if I wanted to tactically lurk.
I have also raised a number of other points which have been largely ignored (I am saving these up for a mass 'ypu fail' post in a day or two) and have tried to keep level headed when others were being pain silly (people who have seen me in other games will know that this has not been my strong point).-
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unvote vote furcolow
Please answer the question: explain how what you are doing is helping town.
I think you are bad but playing on your weirdness to try and get away with it. Note I am not voting because of the contract (which I never agreed to without conditions, it was later explained differently in a way which I was happy to agree with) I am voting because this guy is scummy.
He uses WIFOM for fun.
He is full of inconsistency not leas the time when he criticised meta and used it in the same post.
He tried to set up a newbie excuse pretty quickly (something I find scummy)
There was an AtE in the post where he did some kind of colour related claim.
Seems happy to mislynch in iso #5 not the right mindset, even if statistically it is true.
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unvoteprovisionally. Can somebody explain the jester to me properly. Because the way I ahve played it in f2f is different from how it is explained here. Might this be furcolow.
I may have commited some drastically bad thing mentioning it but it kind of seems relevant to me.
He is scummy though.
SO is Deer btw still.-
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When I play f2f pretty much everyone claims vanilla all the time, then if you are a doc you claim later. Lying about being Vanilla isnt a tell at all this honestly works just as well, but I understand why we do not do it here.
But my other points stand. And after having a jester explained properly I willvote furcolow-
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I just saw that.
Why unvote. This mad WIFOM claim come everything else is not the only reason I am voting him.
He is yet to even mention the other points.
The most importnant being.
How are you helping town now, what are doing to help town in the future, and what have you done in the past to help town.-
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I get the case on bv. Can somebody explain why we are back on Deer and why we are considering dram???
I am going to
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He has not contributed anything despite checking in. He is concentrating enough to care about incorrect spelling but fails to spend any time in presenting a case.
His vote on Ythill still exists and that rubs me up the wrong way this late in the day.
It is beginning to get too late to put scumhunting off. This is not a lynch all lurkers. This is a lynch this lurker.-
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Explain this again please MPR. (nobody else please I want MPR on this)MehPlusRawr wrote:Wait, with the contract- You can't claim vanilla townie unless you're at L-1, but you're not allowed to lie about your role? That looks a bit contradictory, or am I misunderstanding it?
Why did you seem slightly indignant when people asked you for a case, then halfheartedly present one on sirdan.
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Do you understand why we need to see you scumhunt in as many posts as possible???
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I still want this answered MPR.boberz wrote:
Explain this again please MPR. (nobody else please I want MPR on this)MehPlusRawr wrote:Wait, with the contract- You can't claim vanilla townie unless you're at L-1, but you're not allowed to lie about your role? That looks a bit contradictory, or am I misunderstanding it?
Why did you seem slightly indignant when people asked you for a case, then halfheartedly present one on sirdan.
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Do you understand why we need to see you scumhunt in as many posts as possible???
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My read sort of fizzled out. The point wasnt really addressed but it lost potency as the game continued. I also asked about two different wagons including deer, I wanted to know what the new points were because I hadnt seen them. This is a question that is yet to be answered.HackerHuck wrote:Took a closer look at Deer and don't get the case. Although I'm keen on a Diacria, I'm much more interested in a Boberz lynch. I don't like his early attacks on Deer - I really don't see much wrong with Deer's comments and squawking about scumhunting is not the same as actually doing it.
Thisis where he continues to believe that Deer is scummy. He makes a few more posts, then without any indication of why his opinion has changed, he's now questioning the Deer wagon
That makes me think it's more likely that Deer is town and Boberz is scum.
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I missed MPR responses to my questions because they were imbedded in the quote. I didnt like them though.
I think MPR made a bit of a slip when talking about the not lying about your role thing. There is no way he thought that you should be allowed to claim PR before L2 and only claim VT at L1. Or however else he is going to claim to have read that. The meaning is not at all ambiguous he just got a bit confused from scums perspective, I think.
MPR wrote a case five days before trying to post it???!??!?!?!?!?!!!!!-
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SO in short if it came down to it I would be more than happy to go on deer but I still like MPR better.
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HackerHuck doesnt even put me on his massive scumlist when he was voting for me in #489. He then hops onto MPR wagon with no new reasoning and much bigger cases on many others. I sensed from this post that maybe deer is scum with HH but not MPR. So despite my read I am going to do this.
unvote vote deer
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That said I dont like how inward looking MPR still is.
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I do think The Fonz was as much at fault as deer for that rolefishing, which may as well be a softclaim now because of you lot. Meanwhile I dont think deer was deliberately rolefishing there but he certainly milked it once he realised he might be able to squeeze somehting out of it. That said loads of people havve dropped loads of hints, it has been quite funny.
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MPr has not explained his lurking adequately.
He still posts a lot of fluff, only a few of his posts are no longer lurking.
I think he is very inward looking and defensive to a point where it distracts from his own scumhunting.-
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Fur as nice as it is to ignore you I will address this, once and only once.
It is not that suspicious for me to unvote and vote. when I explain why (primary reason being the wagons, specifically HH) when we are looking for a compromise and when the meta did look different.
You are just hoping it would look suspicious so you look good but this time, as with many others, you fail.-
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I dont want to go into the rolefishing debate it will only make things worse. I just think you could have done it in a better way. I agree with your intentions. I am not certain Deer even gets why what he did is bad so if he cant get his head round that I hardly think he was deliberately trying to out a PR, but that doesnt make him any less scummy.
I am voting deer because I didnt like the look of the MPR wagon, and HackerHuck's vote on MPR looked to me like he was picking the one that wasnt his partner.-
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What I mean is it makes him no less scummy than I had him before. ie I am attributed it more to newbiness than scumminess but it could have been newb scum as well as newb town in equal measure.
Any way the longer this debate hangs around the more chance of drawing scums attention to any more roles that may have been revealed.-
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^ALSO: FURC: PLEASE STOP USING COLOURS TO REFER TO ALIGNMENTS
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I am too tired to comment on much more. I thought we decided to leave Fur, I still dont like him, but I think we decided to let a vig sort him out. Every word that has come out of his mouth has been drivel but I have literally been loling at it and moving on.-
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boberz Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 1858
- Joined: November 15, 2009
- Location: Southend-on-Sea, Essex, England
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boberz Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 1858
- Joined: November 15, 2009
- Location: Southend-on-Sea, Essex, England