New York 115: Wickedestjr's Large Mafia (Game Over)

[RichardGHP]

When does the confirmation stage end?

[RichardGHP]

/confirm

[RichardGHP]

VOTE: Demonhybrid

[RichardGHP]

UNVOTE: Demonhybrid
VOTE: MehPlusRawr

For blatantly parrotting and IoAing.

[RichardGHP]

It's fair to say that RVS is over now.

Scumreads (in no particular order) :

MehPlusRawr (Early parroting and IoAing)
vezok (Out of place, late RVS vote + generally bad play thus far) [dependant on Blazez' flip]
BlazezRB (early tunnelling) [dependant on vezok's flip]
sc00t (wanting to lynch someone very early on, cites reason as the game getting "dull" after it has only been a few RL days, doesn't bother to pursue current EGL vote)
guy0 (IoA post on page 5 or 6 {in response to sc00t}, something which should have been a sentence or two transforms into the entirety of the post, which doesn't even mention anything else that is happening).

I would be willing to lynch any of the aforementioned people today.

Battle Mage is probably town, not sure about EGL.

[RichardGHP]

@Adrien: Elaborate a little? If you think there is/are scum within the confines of one wagon, it pays to out your reads for obvious reasons.

[RichardGHP]

Adrien, avoiding my question one more time will get you into my scum list and earn my vote.

For the record, my question is: Who is, was, are or were the scum on the BM wagon?

[RichardGHP]

@Blazez: Tunnelling is focussing only on one person (can sometimes by on two or three people, though), normally by unequivocally crusading for their death or excessively questioning them. While you weren't so extreme, the same kind of concept was evident in certain posts that were made by you.

And no, what I meant was, if one of you is town, the other is likely scum, and vice cersa. If you are telling the truth, and it was a random grudge vote, that theory becomes fallacious. I need a flip of either one of you to bring this theory to fruition.

[RichardGHP]

Thank you.

Unvote, Vote: Adrien C

I would now officially support a lynch on this guy.

[RichardGHP]

Also,

mod: Vote count please

.

[RichardGHP]

Mitsuru is a bad vote. Adrien is a good vote.

[RichardGHP]

@Vezok IoA means Information over Analysis, which is pretty much the same as IIoA (Information

Instead of

Analysis). I trust you can work out the rest on your own.

I am fairly certain Mitsuru is town, and I will have no part in his wagon.

[RichardGHP]

FoS: Battle Mage

Asking for town reads are bad. In answer to your other question to me, my Mitsuru read is largely gut, and the fact that I have hardly, if ever, seen scum play like he is.

FoS: MehPlusRawr

If you're just going to lurk your way through the game, please just do us all a favour and replace out now.

[RichardGHP]

Mod: Votecount please

.

If a Blazez wagon picks up enough steam I will jump on.

[RichardGHP]

MehPlusRawr: Please stop posting fluff and actually contribute.

q21: I think there are many good places to vote. Adrien C happens to be one of them, and Blazez is also a good vote. Blazez doesn't really have

that

many votes on him (5 out of the 13 necessary to lynch). If he gets to or past L-3 or so I'll switch.

I find it hilarious that Toon thinks I'm scum for "protecting" Mitsu. Any half-competent townie knows that just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they're scum. Likewise, just because someone agrees with you, it doesn't make them a townie too.
Toon's scumread on me is -apparantly- dependant on the flip of Mitsu - yet I still get thrown into his most scum-like section. That's just horrible play by any standards.

[RichardGHP]

UNVOTE:

You people are too soft.

MPR, for the love of God, please, PLEASE post some content.

[RichardGHP]

q21: I think there are many good places to vote. Adrien C happens to be one of them, and Blazez is also a good vote. Blazez doesn't really have

that

many votes on him (5 out of the 13 necessary to lynch). If he gets to or past L-3 or so I'll switch.

So only when it gains overwhelming support will you join the wagon? Obliquely supporting a wagon is scummy for me.

Unvote, Vote RichardGHP

I'm sorry you feel that way. Maybe one day you'll realise your opinion is fallacious.

Vote: BlazezRB

I know I said I wouldn't do it yet, but the Mitsuru wagon sucks and the Adrien wagon is clearly going nowhere. And, none of my other suspicions have wagons that are worth trying to push to competing status.

[RichardGHP]

Why do you believe you should join a wagon only after it's garnered a lot of votes and attention?

I didn't say that.

I explained why I contradicted my earlier statement, making your post a moot point.

[RichardGHP]

I didn't say that.

I explained why I contradicted my earlier statement, making your post a moot point.

This is wrong. You said it right here:

If a Blazez wagon picks up enough steam I will jump on.

*facepalm*

Learn to read, please.

[RichardGHP]

Why Chevre, q21 and SSBF are wrong:

Richard: the Blaze wagon hasn't "gathered much steam," yet your voting. It looks like you are trying to brush off that comment. Why do you believe you should join

a

wagon only after it's garnered a lot of votes and attention?

Chevre makes it sound like I join ANY wagon only when it has a lot of votes and/or attention. This is not true, I only did it on the Blazez wagon. Like I already explained, the Adrien wagon had vanished, and with none of my other suspects having wagons that were worth starting or pushing, I switched to Blazez.

What it looks like is you backing off a scummy statement after only the littlest bit of pressure for that statement.

Seriously? Why would I back out of a previous statement JUST because I received a little bit of pressure for it?

Here's the point. You completely denided Chevre an answer to her question. She asked you a simple question and you failed to answer it. Even if you didn't intentionally contradict yourself, the fact that you would jump into a bandwagon when it has a lot of steam is scummy.

Because the question was one of the stupidest things said or asked all game. As to your second point, please explain why jumping on a wagon when it has a lot of steam is suspicious. Because as far as I'm concerned, it isn't.

RichardGHP: You're at the top unless you can explain why "gaining steam" and "gaining attention and votes" are different.

Where the fuck did this come from? This little controversy was never about explaining or arguing why those two things are different? Now you're just looking for ways to make me look like scum, which isn't something townies do.

FoS Chevre

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MehPlusRawr's Meta as requested (notable games):

http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102172 - ScoreHero Mafia 2.5 (I was SK, he was VT though IIRC we never really crossed paths)
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=13799 - Mafia 113 (I was VT, he was vig. I pushed on him hard all game until he finally OMGUS killed me. Overall his play was pretty bad this game.)
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=13729 - Mafia 112 (I wasn't in this game, and his Role PM wasn't posted but it could be interesting if anyone wants to read it.)

The other games that I know he's in are ongoing. Overall, MPR is a fairly run-of-the-mill newb player who can hold his own if he tries hard enough to post actual content.

[RichardGHP]

Where did I say it was wrong to assume that they were both the same thing?

[RichardGHP]

The "I didn't say that" comment wasn't intended to seperate the two things; it was to nullify your assumption that I join any wagon that has a lot of votes.

[RichardGHP]

I already gave legitimate reasons (albeit pre-emptively) for jumping on the Blazez wagon.

[RichardGHP]

MPR: So why would you join this game in the first place?

More importantly, why have you taken up chronic lurking?

[RichardGHP]

You think popping in every few days to post one-liners is "fun"?

Either participate or GTFO.

[RichardGHP]

Actually, lurking is, unfortunately, alignment neutral.

[RichardGHP]

Please keep the Blaze wagon under wraps while im away at AA.

BM

You don't get to dictate these things, you know.

...............................

[RichardGHP]

@Adrien

BlazezRb - (7) – Velocirraptor, (Demonhybrid), silverbullet999, Adrien C, RichardGHP, CJMiller, EGL, Mafuyu, (Sucrose), (kunkstar7)
Mitsuru Kirijo - (8) - guy0, danakillsu, BlazezRb, Battle Mage, q21, kunkstar7, Karma, DemonHybrid
CJMiller - (1) - (kunkstar7), Mitsuru Kirijo
EGL - (2) - Sc00t, MehPlusRawr
guy0 - (0) - (Toon Fighter)
Battle Mage - (1) - cwf123
Asaclardy - (1) – Super Smash Bros. Fan
RichardGHP - (0) - (q21)
Toon Fighter - (0) - (Karma)
MehPlusRawr - (3) - Chevre, Toon Fighter, Sucrose
No-Lynch - (1) - Asaclardy
Not Voting - (0) - (Battle Mage)

Names in (parentheses) are unvotes.
__________________________________________

Meta is not a null. It simply must be taken into consideration. Fairly common sense.
__________________________________________

If the Blazez wagon fades, I will switch to MehPlusRawr. Both have gotta die.

[RichardGHP]

*Facepalm*

My wagon is terrible.

Tell me why your wagon is terrible.

[RichardGHP]

MPR, thanks for finally posting more than just one line, but the fact that you immediately resort to AtE, pointless CAPS, and the fact that you neglect to comment on anything else other than your own wagon only makes you more lynchworthy.

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Reading over Page 30, this particular chain of events made me lol:

Half the people on my wagon haven't provided reasons they wanted me lynched, only parroted others. The other ones have provided terrible reasons to lynch me.

And then 12 posts later...

I read part of the first page of Blazez' ISO. Huh. That's enough for me. (Yes, I'm lazy, but I have not liked the recent posts that I remember, and I definitely don't like what I just read. I don't think the bit in the middle will be any better.)

Vote: Blazez

Oh, the irony.
________________________

Unvote
Vote: MehPlusRawr

Blazez can die tomorrow.

[RichardGHP]

C'mon guys, think about it. A claim probably wouldn't have saved him anyways.

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Blazez

[RichardGHP]

Did anyone notice I could have done a quick hammer, but didn't?

Ooh, look at this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Adrien C

[RichardGHP]

Mod, Votecount per favore

.

[RichardGHP]

Adrien or Demon would be an optimal lynch at the moment.

[RichardGHP]

What forum is that?

[RichardGHP]

Fine, be that way.

[RichardGHP]

Richard, did I accidentally bump into you in the grocery store and not apologize or something? You've been up my rear since the game began and haven't really been posting evidence as to why.

If that is the case, I am sorry for such actions, dude.

You've been posting consistently scum-like the entire game.
Prime example: "Did anyone notice I could have done a quick hammer, but didn't?"
The entirety of your play thus far has been IoA, parrotting, pointless questions and wagonvotes.

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BM's latest wall (979). Read it. Everything he outlined cements my point of Demon being an optimal lynch today.

[RichardGHP]

I'm going to

request a votecount

again to find out if Adrien is worth pushing past Demon. If not I'll switch. Either is good really. Whichever wagon is more likely to result in a lynch. ^.^

[RichardGHP]

Points 1, 2, 3 and 5 are filled with AtE and IoA, while Point 4 makes no sense.

Try again.

[RichardGHP]

Demon and Adrien both have 2 votes, while Mitsu only has 5. >.>
But thank you for putting a VC up.

With Adrien and Demon tied there is no reason for me to switch at the moment.

[RichardGHP]

Demon 988; what's your point?

[RichardGHP]

Demon 988; what's your point?

It's just something I noted. Why, does it bother you that I did?

No.

[RichardGHP]

Demon 988; what's your point?

It's just something I noted. Why, does it bother you that I did?

No.

Hm. Then why'd you ask what the point was?

Because I want to know.

[RichardGHP]

Unvote Vote DemonHybrid

SH is fail.

Do me a favour. Stop making statements like this.

[RichardGHP]

SH = ScoreHero, a forum Demon, MehPlusRawr and I frequent.

[RichardGHP]

I don't know you outside of this game Blazez. So I have no idea where your hatred of SH comes from. Please enlighten me.

[RichardGHP]

Heh, a quick search of your name on SH tells me that you've made 28 posts, 27 of which are nowhere to be found in the archives. I see where this is going...

[RichardGHP]

VT claim. Huh. Well, can't say I'm surprised by that.
1022 is more or less the last nail in the coffin. OMGUS, AtE, you name it.

[RichardGHP]

I see you've (I'm assuming Salamence is you) been PR'd, is that what you hate about SH?

[RichardGHP]

Blazez is now officially an optimal lynch. This brings our total to three: Adrien, Demon and Blazez. Please be on one of those people today.

[RichardGHP]

1070 can be regarded as a scumslip, btw.

[RichardGHP]

(When put together with 1071.)

[RichardGHP]

1070 can be regarded as a scumslip, btw.

Cause, of course, that's worse than

"LYNCH THE CURRENT WAGON I'M TOWN DON'T PUT ATTENTION ON ME NO FOCUS ON THE GUY WITH THE MOST VOTES I AM TOWN"

Right?

The difference between what you posted and what Blazez posted is that you actually scumslipped; Blazez made a really horrible post. Two different things.

[RichardGHP]

Blazez' claim is bogus too.

[RichardGHP]

Do I really have to explain why it's a scumslip?

[RichardGHP]

Since you don't seem to even be taking this seriously, I don't see the point in explaining it.

[RichardGHP]

Demon, what is your current read of townliness on BM, on a scale of 1 - 10 (1 being confirmed scum, 10 being virtually clear)? Why?

[RichardGHP]

Is there currently anyone you would rate a 10?

[RichardGHP]

8s and 9s?

I promise this will be the last question on the subject matter.

[RichardGHP]

Votecount 41:

DemonHybrid – (6) – guy0, danakillsu, BlazezRb, RichardGHP, DavidParker, Battle Mage BlazezRb - (5) - Mitsuru Kirijo, DemonHybrid, Asaclardy, Vezokpiraka, kunkstar7
Mitsuru Kirijo - (3) - CJMiller, silverbullet999, q21
Toon Fighter - (1) – Chevre
kunkstar7 – (1) – Karma
CJMiller – (1) – Adrien C
Asaclardy – (1) - Sucrose
Vezokpiraka - (1) - Toon Fighter
Not Voting – (2) – Mafuyu, foilist13

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

TYVM Demon.

[RichardGHP]

Thank You Very Much.

[RichardGHP]

Demon, what did BM JUST SAY.

[RichardGHP]

It's not what is wrong with us, but with you, as if you had payed any attention, you'd know that your allegations (specifically your reaction to BM's vote of q21) are unfounded.

[RichardGHP]

Woah woah woah, wait a minute. The hell is this I hear about cheating? Am I missing something here?

BTW, I have to take back my latest correspondance with Demon; BM was referring to a different kind of mod action than I thought. Can explain later if enough demand.

[RichardGHP]

Lynch all Liars is a horrible protocol.

BM is NOT the lynch for today. There are other possibilities we wouldn't be taking into account by lynching him.

[RichardGHP]

silverbullet: No, I think you're perfectly capable of figuring out what those possibilities are.

Demon: What's that supposed to mean?

[RichardGHP]

Demon, I'm going to deny your inference that I would do anything to keep BM alive.

[RichardGHP]

Vote: DemonHybrid

[RichardGHP]

kunkstar, have you been paying attention? Nothing has changed in regards to Demon being an optimal lynch.

Luckily escaping the gallows does not a clean slate make. Demon still needs to die. TODAY.

[RichardGHP]

Have you read the thread yet?

[RichardGHP]

Adrien is still scum, as well as Blazez, and I wouldn't at all mind seeing either of them die today. I'd still prefer Demon, though. If Blazez gets to L-1 I'll gladly hammer, and if Adrien picks up a few votes I'll swing that way. For the time being, at least, though, still keeping my vote where it is.

At any rate, these 3 people need to be the lynches for Days 3, 4 and 5. No exceptions.

[RichardGHP]

He doesn't have to, unless he comes under fire for valid reasons. Which, as far as I can see, you don't have. You've got some 'splaining to do.

[RichardGHP]

Unvote Vote BlazezRb

That works. Demon or Adrien tomorrow, mmk?

[RichardGHP]

Demon: Blazez is scum regardless of who created the wagon. Blazez, Demon and Adrien have been my top scumspicions for quite some time now, so you can't accuse me of being wishy-washy either.

[RichardGHP]

=========[ ]

[RichardGHP]

DP: So why no vote for either of them? If you think they're scum, vote for them.

Thusly:

Vote: Adrien C

[RichardGHP]

Are you actually going to do anything other than jump up and down with your finger pointed at me? Srsly.

Not until you die.

The dude goes "Hmm...I don't like this guy, I'm going to vote for him" until a wagon starts going along and he gets the "Well, nothing I can do about that guy, let me hop on this wagon and lynch this dude" pretty much the entire game.

He doesn't have to, unless he comes under fire for valid reasons. Which, as far as I can see, you don't have. You've got some 'splaining to do.

Hypocrite.

How does that make me a hypocrite?

Let's lynch Adrien today, and then we can look at CJMiller/q21 tomorrow.

[RichardGHP]

I've played in a game with a scum watcher before. It's not an implausible role here, given the fact that we have a scum doc and a scum neighbourizer.

[RichardGHP]

When did you PM the mod?

[RichardGHP]

Seemed the most effective way to get his attention.

When did you PM the mod?

Whoa. They don't even make sense.

This.

[RichardGHP]

I doubt the mod will be able to confirm or deny any errors, DP.

[RichardGHP]

I have to admit, that makes sense.

Unvote

If we lynch q21 today, what are the chances of lynching Adrien tomorrow?

[RichardGHP]

I want Adrien dead. Durrrrrr.

[RichardGHP]

Seriously, someone look into Richard this night phase.

Why? Is it a crime to love Metallica?

q21: Any response from the mod?

[RichardGHP]

Vote: q21

Toon Fighter? Eh, maybe tomorrow. Mitsuru? Not today.

Adrien. It's a game and you are anti-town/pro-scum.
/discussion

[RichardGHP]

I know it's a game. No, I'm not scum. As I said before, I'm a VT. You have NO proof (which I have asked REPEATEDLY) on me saying I could be otherwise. Explore other possibilities and quit being stubborn.

You have done nothing to make me believe you are town. This latest addition to your posts is a primary example of this:

I would help lynch Richard, but I don't want to seem like some sort of OMGUSer.

What, what POSSIBLE reason in the world could a townie have to make a post like this? It's pretty common knowledge that only scum need to worry about their image. It's these kind of statements that make fence-sitting and safe-playing such effective scumtells. Adrien is displaying here that he cares more about how he looks (which is the ciritical element for scum surviving to the end) than voting for someone he thinks is scum (which is pretty much the basis for the town win-condition).

[RichardGHP]

I know it's a game. No, I'm not scum. As I said before, I'm a VT. You have NO proof (which I have asked REPEATEDLY) on me saying I could be otherwise. Explore other possibilities and quit being stubborn.

You have done nothing to make me believe you are town. This latest addition to your posts is a primary example of this:

Yeah, good job.
UNVOTE: Mitsuru
VOTE: RichardGHP

Tunnelvisioning is not town either, scumbag.

Nice OMGUS. What's even more hilarious is that you don't even bother to defend your own actions, but call out the ones of mine you don't like.

Unvote
Vote: Adrien C

20 bucks says Adrien tries to paint this as an OMGUS vote.

[RichardGHP]

Does anyone here really think Adrien is town? Can you people not see the blatant scum-ness in his play? Let his ISO do the talking. If you still can't see it, let me know.

Also,

FoS: vezokpiraka

. If I'm reading right, he just dropped the soap. In the same way Demon did a couple of days ago too, I believe.

[RichardGHP]

A scumslip is a scumslip. Vezo made one. The fact that a confirmed townie made the same slip is neither persuasive nor relevant.

With that being said, there is a much bigger fish to fry today.

[RichardGHP]

Don't put words in my mouth. It won't help your case.

[RichardGHP]

Hmm.
Do welynch the scum yet?
I mean mitsu that is,

It would help if you were voting for her

Oh yeah . Forgot you are still scum.
Unvote
Vote Mitsu
TF still has to die.

Vezo seemingly wants to lynch Mitsu, yet conveniently didn't vote him until it was pointed out by TF that his vote was elsewhere. Town seldom lose track of where their vote is, because they know their reads like the back of their hands. Scum, on the other hand, know who their buddies are. They have a duty to keep their team out of harm's way, and as a result, their other duties (such as looking town, and keeping a solid lock onto their "scumreads") become less important. Scum tend to forget where their vote is (unless it's a bus) because they know the player they're voting is town, as is the case with everyone else who isn't their buddy. Often they forget which townies they vote for. Town don't forget which scum they vote for.

If none of this makes sense, I can't explain it further. Don't say I didn't try.

Also, the Toon/Vezo exchange I quoted strikes me as distancing and/or bussing, at a glance. I'll look into it more later.

Asaclardy, where do you draw the line between tiny insignificant things and large significant things? Something as subjective as that isn't a great basis for a vote. I'd also like you to explain why getting caught up over "tiny insignificant" things is a scumslip.
Agreed with foilist.

[RichardGHP]

Wait a minute.

Would you rather I be hasty and accidentally kill a town?

Why in the world would you feel the need to post this? Didn't you just say a while ago that I was scum? You sound like you know I'm town. That, good people, is a Freudian slip. At least Adrien has managed to not do that yet.

Unvote
Vote Asaclardy

Adrien dies tomorrow, mmk? (Mind, I'd still be more than content with an Adrien lynch today.)

[RichardGHP]

Vezo, have you been taken over by a foreigner or something? Ever since ISO60 or so you've been posting incoherent jibber jabber.

[RichardGHP]

How foreign?

[RichardGHP]

Interesting... and does your username have some sort of Romanian connotation?

[RichardGHP]

Adrien, nobody really cares what you want. Ragevoting your main tunneller after 4 days resulted in the loss of what little town credit you may have had at all. You die tomorrow.

[RichardGHP]

Kinda hard when I don't have any scumbuddies.

[RichardGHP]

Vote Adrien

[RichardGHP]

Adrien, you OMGUS ragevoted me after four days of being pushed. That's not hunting scum. You keep asking for, demanding my reasons, when the only reason you can make stand up is that I haven't specifically analysed anything in your impressive repetoire of embarrasingly anti-town posts. The hilarity doubles because you can't even concede that you're playing against the town win condition. Instead of taking the hint and actually attempting to play pro-town (a foreign concept I'm sure), you just shut down and baselessly accuse your primary attacker.

Sucrose: Any reasons other than being "opportunistic"? And I'd like some elaboration on this so-called opportunism; I have consistently been pushing a small group of players for the course of the game (or majority thereof) thus far. There is only one lynch per day and I do not have psychic or telepathic powers. I can't tell who the town will lynch. All I have been doing is sticking to my scumreads and voting for whichever one of them has the wagon most likely to result in a lynch. That's not opportunism.

FoS Sucrose; q21

. The fact that they're both missing reports leaves a few conclusions that can be drawn;

1. They are both town and forgot to target (10-20% probability)
2. They are on the same scumteam and are disorganised (Sucrose's 1720 would be a Freudian slip in this case)
3. They are on different scumteams and think the other is town (Neither of them having a report makes more sense if this is true)
4. One is town, one is scum and one is lying about forgetting (plausible, maybe even likely)

YMMV, but my money's on either 3 or 4.

Sucrose, q21: Who would you have targetted last night and why?

[RichardGHP]

Adrien. The only reason you gave for voting me was the one I outlined in my last post. That's not a valid vote and it is definitely not scumhunting.

[RichardGHP]

Sorry in advance for this text wall...

Don't be.

I know it's a game. No, I'm not scum. As I said before, I'm a VT. You have NO proof (which I have asked REPEATEDLY) on me saying I could be otherwise. Explore other possibilities and quit being stubborn.

You have done nothing to make me believe you are town. This latest addition to your posts is a primary example of this:

Yeah, good job.
UNVOTE: Mitsuru
VOTE: RichardGHP

Tunnelvisioning is not town either, scumbag.

Nice OMGUS. What's even more hilarious is that you don't even bother to defend your own actions, but call out the ones of mine you don't like.

Unvote
Vote: Adrien C

20 bucks says Adrien tries to paint this as an OMGUS vote.

Somebody pay the man 20 bucks because this IS an OMGUS vote.

(Only 5 quotes in a tunnel will be a bitch, I can tell you.)

You CLEARLY OMGUS me first and you complain about me doing it. Your vote wasn't on me at the time that I voted you either. So really, I didn't OMGUS you.

I had been pushing you for four days straight. You lost control and ragevoted. That's OMGUS, whether my vote was on you at the time or not.

Before that, I posted this.

Blazez is now officially an optimal lynch. This brings our total to three: Adrien, Demon and Blazez. Please be on one of those people today.

Guess what those three have in common!!

Adrien is still scum, as well as Blazez, and I wouldn't at all mind seeing either of them die today. I'd still prefer Demon, though.

If Blazez gets to L-1 I'll gladly hammer, and if Adrien picks up a few votes I'll swing that way.

For the time being, at least, though, still keeping my vote where it is.

At any rate, these 3 people need to be the lynches for Days 3, 4 and 5. No exceptions.

And again! Note the opportunistic mentality shown here...

The dude goes "Hmm...I don't like this guy, I'm going to vote for him" until a wagon starts going along and he gets the "Well, nothing I can do about that guy, let me hop on this wagon and lynch this dude" pretty much the entire game.

He doesn't have to, unless he comes under fire for valid reasons. Which, as far as I can see, you don't have. You've got some 'splaining to do.

Hypocrite.

You, my Metallica-loving friend get this...

FoS: RichardGHP

All those points still stand. See, I actually provided reasons as to why I want you lynched.

But don't worry, we're going to visit your ISO too! Your very first post which you started the Adrien Hate...

-I clearly outlined my scumreads and intent to be on each and every one of their lynches. Being on whatever one of one's scumreads has the largest wagon is not opportunism. Period.
-Not hypocrisy.

Thank you.

Unvote, Vote: Adrien C

I would now officially support a lynch on this guy.

The EIGHTH post of your ISO. Since that post on DAY ONE, you have not really even explored other possiblities. And you have never given ANY reason whatsoever other than "He's been acting scummy all game! He's been acting scummy all game! I don't know how or why but he's scum!"

*keeps reading, a bit more Adrien hate with no "This is why I think Adrien's scum" explanation*

And something that I've pointed out before, you're probably the most opportunistic bandwagoner I have ever seen in this game. And you're pretty blatant about it.

I have had and still do have other scumreads. The problem is, you're the only living one who I absolutely want to lynch. A couple of others are acting scum-like, but nowhere near what you're doing. As I have said before, I clearly stated my scumreads. I have more than one scumread, but there's only one lynch a day. I vote for the scumread's wagon most likely to result in a lynch. That is not opportunism or bandwagoning. Because they're my scumreads.

I'm going to

request a votecount

again to find out if Adrien is worth pushing past Demon. If not I'll switch. Either is good really. Whichever wagon is more likely to result in a lynch. ^.^

Adrien is still scum, as well as Blazez, and I wouldn't at all mind seeing either of them die today. I'd still prefer Demon, though. If Blazez gets to L-1 I'll gladly hammer, and if Adrien picks up a few votes I'll swing that way. For the time being, at least, though, still keeping my vote where it is.

At any rate, these 3 people need to be the lynches for Days 3, 4 and 5. No exceptions.

And yet you REFUSE to post evidence. OVER AND OVER AGAIN! If you did that fifteen pages ago, I would have thought you to be a misguided townie with his guns pointed in the wrong direction. Your stubborn refusal though is what has really got me to believe that you're just a scumbag ready to just get a townie lynched (you know, like you also tried with Blaze and Demon) so that you guys can take out a townie or other side scumbag at night. So which are you, red or blue?

The evidence is all there. It needs no specific analysis. Do you really want me to tear you to shreds even more?

Seriously guys, you want scum, I found scum. I promise that if we lynch him and he flips town, I will personally let everyone lynch me and even vote for myself.

CONFIRM VOTE: RICHARD

Seriously? You "promise" that you'll let everyone lynch you if I am lynched and flip town? I don't know whether to laugh out loud, cry or bang my head against a brick wall.

Pathetic.

[RichardGHP]

You are under fire for valid reasons. I have clearly stated my scumreads and crusaded for their deaths. You are left. I'm pushing your lynch. That's doing something.

All you have done is:

• -Post IoA
  -Resort to AtE
  -OMGUS your main attacker
  -Make off-hand and irrelevant comments
  -Fence-sit
  -Make unfounded and baseless allegations
  -State the obvious...

and that's just Page 1 of your ISO (bar OMGUSing your attacker). Are you saying you want me to list and analyse all your posts that contain any of the aforementioned or otherwise contributing offences?

[RichardGHP]

DP, I'm not scum.

[RichardGHP]

Unfortunately, no.

[RichardGHP]

The only thing against me (opportunism does not count, since I have not been displaying that trait) is my lack of analysed reasons for lynching Adrien. I can do that if you guys can't see it for yourselves.

All in favour say aye.

Adrien, as a pre-emptive reminder: You do not dictate who the town lynches.

[RichardGHP]

Adrien, pushing for a lynch is not dictating.

Saying "We're lynching X" is.

[RichardGHP]

Vezo-Adrien team? The recent Adrien pushing strikes me as bussing, prima facie.

[RichardGHP]

I've said it once and I will say it again: I have not been opportunistic.

Unless the term extends to having multiple scumreads and approaching that in a practical way. If that is the case please let me know and I will replace out. Otherwise start getting valid reasons to vote. Call this an AtE if you want, but I'm sick and tired of people voting without valid reasons, not just for me. It's the nooby kind of behaviour most of you should be past at this stage in your mafia careers.

Also, nobody has said aye, so I'm assuming that lack of analysed reasoning for my Adrien pushing is not the main cause of my wagon either. Am I missing something?

[RichardGHP]

q21: Not hypocrisy.

DP: Someone has to be the first to bring up a discussion point.

Chevre et al: Can not do it now, perhaps in 7 to 9 hours. Think you can wait until then?

[RichardGHP]

Someone unvote plz, making ISO case on Adrien by popular demand. No claim.

[RichardGHP]

Don't expect a text wall PBPA complete with quote tunnels.

ISO OF ADRIEN C

Post 0: Confirm, nothing to see here
Post 1: Fairly standard RVS vote
Post 2: Strange comment regarding early bandwagons; very vague and a poor attempt at humour - a known scumtell (in some cases)
Post 3: "I take it we're being seroius now." - Adrien's exact words. Feels like it comes from a neutral or outsider perspective. Possibly a noobtell, leaning towards a scumtell however.
Post 4: Says he is unsure of whether he likes one of dana's posts (which wasn't really mention-worthy to begin with, due to some randomness still being evident). Double fencesitting, double the scumness. Wait, no. Scratch that. TRIPLE fencesitting due to the "I'm not defending EGL" bit. Triple the scumness. I don't know if you can call ambiguity a scumtell. Probably not. Feels he needs to justify unvoting his RVS target, resulting in a three-way fencesit and an obvious attempt to look pro-town.
Post 5: Ambiguous facepalm, justification of dana suspicion, strange that he quoted the post before this but neglected to vote up until now. Also "I could be wrong but..." in a voting post almost always comes from scums.
Post 6: ISO means that I can't see who he was questioning and I can't be bothered looking so I'll leave this post alone. Prima facie it looks fair enough.
Post 7: Says he believes there were scum on the BM wagon. Doesn't say why or who. Sense of insincerity from the use of "honestly".
Post 8: An EXTREMELY far-fetched theory, one that would gain him townie points if it was true. From my experience, only very astute townies and scum post these theories, with the former generally analyzing possible outcomes of them. Adrien doesn't strike me as a very astute townie (no offence) so yeah.
Post 9: Not quite sure if this is genuine justification or backtracking.
Post 10: This for sure is backtracking. You said "I believe there was scum on the RVS BM wagon.", you then proceded to deny the fact you made that claim, calling it a theory instead.
Post 11: Blatant AtE. Not a great scumtell, but hellishly annoying not to mention anti-town.
Post 12: Refuses to or can't back up his "theory". This was the tipping point in Adrien getting my vote in the first place, I believe.
Post 13: Lists two suspicions (I think?) and then calls both of them longshots. Quit with the fencesitting, man. Also, how the hell is 3 posts in a row a scumtell?
Post 14: Fair enough, I suppose
Post 15: Again: How is posting 3 times in a row suspicious? And then to just parrot what Mitsuru said.
Post 16: See Post 15.
Post 17: "Kinda" gives you suspicion? WHAT THE EFFING HELL ADRIEN. MAKE YOUR MIND UP.
Post 18: Calls out Chevre for parrotting. Fair enough. Newbclaims. There's a new one. Managed to wait 19 posts; I'm impressed.
Post 19: Parrots BM
Post 20: False IoA comment without justification
Post 21: His most blatant parrotting yet. Less relevant to the game, so it comes out on about the same level as his previous stuff.
Post 22: Three scumreads. One is parrotted, one is based on false pretenses.
Post 23: Aye aye, Captain Obvious. Full steam ahead!
Post 24: Nothing much to see here.

That's page 1 of his ISO done, I can prolly do another 2 pages tomorrow, 4 and 5 the day after that and most of his most recent page I have already covered. Objections to this method?

[RichardGHP]

foilist: If you wanted a summarisation of my case in 5 points or less, why didn't you say so? Also, I didn't try to find something scum-like about every post. If you actually bothered to read it you'd know that.

Asking someone to unvote at L-1 is not scum-like. People asked me for an Adrien case, I'm giving them one. Also not scum-like.

[RichardGHP]

Who do you think

Adrien, I wouldn't be pushing you if I wasn't convinced that you are scum.

[RichardGHP]

I could

be talked into lynching SlySly

but

I'd rather lynch Richard.

^ Sounds familiar...

Did anyone notice

I could

have done a quick hammer

, but

didn't?

I would

help lynch Richard,

but

I don't want to seem like some sort of OMGUSer.

I want

Richard lynched next phase,

but

I'll put Mitsuru at L-1.

[RichardGHP]

Has anyone ever heard of a JOAT that doesn't know what he can do? That's really inventor territory from my limited experience.

Sly; how many times can you target?

Very tempted to hammer at this point.

[RichardGHP]

You've been on this site for nearly three years and never even heard of a JoaT? Don't make me laugh.

Unvote
Vote SlySly

Never have I seen or heard of a JoaT that doesn't know what he can do AND is unlimited for targets. Such a role would be bastardly and unbalanced in most setups.

[RichardGHP]

Adrien tomorrow?

[RichardGHP]

Vote Adrien

If you do lynch me, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I will not be claiming nor will I be moving my vote.

foilist, I have justified my tunnelling, so find a valid reason to vote for me or remove your vote. TIA.

[RichardGHP]

Give me one reason why I should, other than being at L-1.

[RichardGHP]

Congratulations, derps. You lynched your doctor, with absolutely embarrassingly horrible reasoning to boot.

q21 gets vigged tonight, Adrien gets hanged tomorrow. This course of action allows for at least a trace of your competence as a collective to be reaffirmed.

[RichardGHP]

Might help if you fix the tags.

[RichardGHP]

http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/me8tnk4L2XfH - Red QT

No hard feelings if I tunneled on you.

Town MVP: DP
Red MVP: kunkstar7
Blue MVP - foilist13