QFThiphop wrote:It would help if you had given us a link.
That's me confirming.
/confirm
QFThiphop wrote:It would help if you had given us a link.
That's me confirming.
Wow, only 4 people I've played with before!Flameaxe wrote:1) Xite91
2) JDodge
3) a2rudeboy
4) Hiphop
5) Kise
6) Wickedestjr
7) Wraith
8) Mysterio
9) Singersigner
10) Shanba
11) Seth
12) Benmage
13) ConfidAnon
14) Flinter
15) Nhammen
16) Porochaz
17) danakillsu
18) Furcolow
19) Johnny Rotten
20) Orochi
21) Sebguer
22) Bunny Lover
23) Reck
24) UltimaAvalon
It was CA, not Agar (hint: Agar's not in this game)a2rudeboy wrote:/confirm
and as agar and xite kindly informed:
perpetual state of v/la. massive computer issues. am around to post as often as i can get something off at work, so when i do i'll try and make it count. sorry, guys.
Do I know you? o.oFurcolow wrote:/confirm
hi xite
I lol'dPorochaz wrote:Your name is now Frank
And then a little harder.Flameaxe wrote:This will be expressed in the votecounts as well.
Maybe I can't this timeMysterio wrote:Vote: Frank
For questioning the mod's ability to count votes.
@Xite, I wonder if you'll fall for it again?
lolwut?hiphop wrote:Xite91 wrote:Vote: Mysterioyea.... great BANDWAGON.Mysterio wrote:Vote: Frank
Want to try again?
Because I'm going to vote forhiphop wrote:Perfect time to start.Xite91 wrote:lolwut?
Why? It's RVS!
Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "hit the ground running"(I think that is how it goes)?
Also why not?
hiphop wrote:ok, then....I guess I need to explain something.Xite91 wrote:But eh, if you want a wagon I can start one.
Unvote, Vote: HipHop
So, lets get these wheels rollin?
I wanted a bw, you seem to want to appease me. Therefore to give me what I want, you vote someone who i can vote for too. Therefore I get my bw,and you get to appease me. Right? Or am i wrong?
QFT.Kise wrote:You can self-vote, kupo.
3) Mysterio thinks I wouldKise wrote:1) Joke... you know, voting hip-hop since it's a musical genre and all.
2) K.
3) You expect me to claim scum, really? Would you expectanyoneto claim scum? That's about as useful as a mass-town claim.
You know, I saw this list of rules once that had something that relates directly to this, lemme see if I can find itdanakillsu wrote:Well it's funny to see the reactions I got from pretending I knew UA was scum. I have played with him before, I believe. At any rate, no one as experienced as me would really pretend that they knew someone was scum in the RVS. And the fact that it's tradition to start with a bandwagon on UA should make my actions even less remarkable. Anyway, I'm glad I make it worth it to you, UA.unvoteGood to see some discussion starting.
You can check out the full list hereCaenus wrote: As an addendum to this list of rules, I'd like to walk you through a few things from that wonderful repository of knowledge, Cracked.com.
You are not some evil genius, criminal mastermind, or master debater. That honor belongs to me. Although, I'll let morgul have the title of Mas. Debater. :blink:
AtEdanakillsu wrote:Whatever. Wagon me. Don't care. You'll probably realize it's pointless eventually, because I know the people here in general are smart enough to see through your lies. It's obvious Poro just wants me lynched, because all he's done is say my post is BS without saying why or how that makes me scum. I'm not going to stoop to the level of "no, it's not". The truth of that post is for me to know, and for you to guess. Poro is guessing.
More AtEdanakillsu wrote:@JDodge
It's nice to see your hypocrisy right off the bat. Your mindless bandwagoning is no better than Benmage's. You provided a little "reasoning" meant to make it look somewhat less mindless, but all it was was a statement with nothing to back it. You simply said that my postulation that no one as experienced as I am would do such a thing (which is obviously true) was "BS" without explaining why, which is EXACTLY what Poro said. So you both are doing the same thing, and pointing fingers at each other while doing it.
Distancing... that IS the tangible part of it. The way you're acting towards him seems like distancing to me. It's a common scum tactic D1.JDodge wrote:Do you have anything tangible, or just a feeling?Xite wrote:But I can't shake the feeling that JDodge is distancing from dana, so
And now you're defending Dana? To frank? Could be scum coaching, but for some reason I don't see scum slipping up that much at once, so I'll wait to see more from JdodgeJDodge wrote:OK.
If you thought that dana thought we were still random voting, how does him voting Shanba mean anything whatsoever?
People who say "there's no way I'm changing my vote" scare the hell out of me. There is no reason at any point to not want to be flexible to whom we lynch on any given day.
First, just want to point out that Frank's an idiot.Furcolow wrote:UltimaAvalon wrote:Oh, no, I agree, we should def lynch Dana before those who might also be scum have a chance to post. Good call.two spots. there you go dani.UltimaAvalon wrote:Show me where Dana said "I'm experienced, listen to me"
You're voting me because I am pushing you AND your scumbuddy.
Oh, by the way, Wraith is also scum.Wraith wrote:Prozac, JDodge, and Furcolow make excellent cases against UA and dana especially. While I'm not totally sure about UA due to his playstyle, that last OMGUS vote sealed the deal for me against dana. However, I think we should prevent a hammer before we get enough discussion, and I'm putting it out there now that I will unvote to prevent L-1 if it comes too early for my tastes.Vote: danakillsu
Mod, votecount please.
I'll also comment on hiphop's activity during the RVS, which I think was just a random wagon to garner reactions from anyone who jumped aboard. He can't have anything actually against me considering I've never played with him and this is my first post here.
QFTPorochaz wrote:Wraith wrote:Prozac, JDodge, and Furcolow make excellent cases against UA and dana especially. While I'm not totally sure about UA due to his playstyle, that last OMGUS vote sealed the deal for me against dana. However, I think we should prevent a hammer before we get enough discussion, and I'm putting it out there now that I will unvote to prevent L-1 if it comes too early for my tastes.Vote: danakillsu
Really bad voting fail.
First, he has a HUGE wagon on him, so OMGUS doesn't so much count for him. Also, you were pushing a pretty bad case against him, I would vote you if I were him too.Furcolow wrote:It's an obvious OMGUS. I'm sitting here attacking you. You say "i'm gonna scumhunt uz gaiz", you go away for like 2 minutes, then OMGUS me.
You had no fucking time to read everyone in iso or read the thread. You just tried to nitpick so it didn't look like that. Oh my god, you suck.
EBWOPreview:
@UA: I didn't expect myself to be willing to change my vote. That was before I read through. Imagine this scenario:
There are two wolves in the forest, who have been terrorizing our sheep. Would you rather kill the bigger wolf? I know I would. That is why I would change my vote to you, because you are much more dangerous as scum than Danakillsu, and I believe both of you are scum.
Everyone, quick follow my lead!Furcolow wrote:Because it's not what I know, it's what I can convince everyone else. What I know is my role. What I don't know is anyone else's roles. I hate to have to be teaching Mafia 101 to you, but I guess that's where we're at.
The town are not going to allow my lynching of UAscum. They, for some reason, do not as a collective suspect him yet. When you flip scum, though, they'll begin to see that I was right. Actually, maybe not, because UA will kill me in the night.
Point yourself out, then dana. You are obvscum, as is reflected by the votecount.
Teehee. This tickled me a bit inside.Furcolow wrote:I'm not saying every wagon is good, either. I'm simply saying one on you or one on UA would be good. You may quit responding to me, we have reached an impasse.If you respond, I'm simply going to ignore it, as you shouldn't be in this game when sane townies come online
I lol'dUltimaAvalon wrote:Or, you could just take 2 Alieve to stop pain all day
The OMGUS was an obvious RV. Don't piggy back on my case, make your own. I don't remember when 1 happened.Wraith wrote:@dana: I voted for you because:
1. You voted UA because "something's not right with his self-vote" then suddenly backtrack when called out on it by saying "I was reaction fishing." BS excuse.
2. Xite made an excellent WoT pointing out all your AtE. You are flailing and despite believing your death is inevitable are making no attempt to help the town to your dying breath.
3. The OMGUS
Huh? You were kind of joking, which meant there was seriousness involved, but you had no reason to say what you said seriously?danakillsu wrote:Of course I was (at least kind of) joking. I had no real reason to say what I said seriously.That's why I turned to my experience. After 10 games completed, I definitely know the basics of scumtells. And self-voting is not one of them. And yeah, I was pretty much lying in the first post (joking is more accurate). But calling everything in the second post BS is what Poro did, and what I thought you were doing.
Ooh, wanna hear about my background with no dad, growing up in the ghetto being raised on video games? Yeah, everyone has a different story, but that doesn't mean that that excuses you from being scummy. Just sayin.danakillsu wrote:Yeah, I come from a very different background than most of you, I bet, so my posts would naturally stick out. That's what I've always thought, anyway. Trust me, though, I've been town in at least 5 games where the overwhelming majority of the other players were completely sure I was scum. Not that I expect that to really help me in this game. I wouldn't know about Furcolow, but I'm pretty sure he isn't usually posting this way (I have played one game with him in it).
Or we could just skip the mislynch and lynch you now?Furcolow wrote:Well, I was just getting settled in. I should take the spotlight less, but if it benefits us as a town by nabbing two scum, I will keep doing it. If there is but 1 mislynch, I offer myself up to be lynched if you guys want.
Everyone views things differently, refer back to coming from different backgrounds.Bunnylover wrote:Wasn't giving myself an excuse, I simply have nothing to add at this point, but when I do I will post, like now.Porochaz wrote:Hello. No opinion at all after 7 pages of pretty much content. Might not be major to you but you should be mentioning the minor things instead of giving yourself an excuse to hide in the shadows.Bunnylover wrote:Too many people all attacking each other for some reason that probably shouldn't be attacking :<.
You all gave me a headache reading these pages <_<.
I haven't gotten any reads on who could be positive scummy, so my vote can wait.
I have a different way of thinking which could mean that my thought process of this could be totally off, but it seems like you want me to vote for one of the several people that are gaining the attention (Dana, UA, JDodge, etc.) of most of the group, or you want me to find some minor detail that will allow others to exploit which could mean nothing at all. There is no point in me mention minor detail unless someone wants a specific person dead or will is trying to lead some down a wrong path and stray from mafia.
Like I said I have a different way of viewing things, which could mean my entire post is wrong.
You're right, it's more like 3/4 or something.danakillsu wrote:Well. nhamn's post does not seem at all patronizing or oversimplifying, does it? Not to mention the fact that he pretty much dismisses at least half of this thread as useless.
Did I call it or what? Lemme guess, I'll be the next person that's scum, right frank?Furcolow wrote:@nhammen: Would you care to explain yourself on your acting like dana actually made a case on me previous to me making mine on him? What do you hope to gain from this? Were you testing to see if I was actually reading? Would you like me to lump you in on a scum team with him, because that's what you're making me do. Explain why you purposefully did that, or explain why you didn't actually even read the topic past page 2.
Yes, but the wagon is only useful with the info that comes with it.hiphop wrote:No opinion after 8 pages. As far as I care I just want a bw.Porochaz wrote:Hello. No opinion at all after 7 pages of pretty much content. Might not be major to you but you should be mentioning the minor things instead of giving yourself an excuse to hide in the shadows.vote danakillsu
This is my 2nd large normal. Even though I was scum in the last one, day 1 is the same to me. As far as I am concerned the only thing useful day one after day 1 is the bws. Hitting scum day 1 in a large normal is luck, so let's just lynch someone and get it over with.
...singersigner wrote:@Nhammen/Xite's WoT: QFT.
At this point, there's not a whole lot of new information/questions I can bring to the table, but I agree with hiphop (/Xite's response) about the bandwagons. With this many people, chances are a mislynch (unless obvscumslip) will occur, so the best way to extort more reactions is by finishing a bandwagon D1, and seeing where that leads us in the next day.
From what I can tell, Dana's case on Frank is weak, and if they're a scum-pair, it's only to distance himself later, saying, "no hey, look what I did. why would I vote for my scum-buddy??" Unless Dana can provide a better defense of himself, or a better case on someone else, I'm going to VOTE: danakillsu, putting him at L-2 by my votecount.
@Xite...I find myself inclined to agree with your case on Frank, but for now I suppose we will have to wait and see what happens.
And damn you people, you couldn't have spread your responses a little thinner while I was at band camp all day?? That was a lot to catch up on! lol.
Lulz... and that makes a difference... how?Furcolow wrote:Xite, kid? you're fucking 19.
Considering you just tried to use my age do discredit me? Nope, pretty sure we're reading the same game. Have a real defense?Furcolow wrote:and if i'm your top suspect, we are obviously not reading the same game
Throwing spaghetti much with all those IGMEOYs?Wickedestjr wrote:I think that both Danakillsu and Furcolow are both town. Furcolow in particular, because I get the impression that he's trying to impress the town which is a strong town tell imo. The two main things that give me this impression are his bad metaphors + his confidence in his reads. Danakillsu also looks like town, because of his reaction to the attack from Furcolow. I agree that their posts are illogical, but I disagree that they are scum.
1) When I use AtE I mean it as in it's AtE in a scummy way. Hell, my saying hi to everyone could have been considered AtE, but it wasn't suspicious, it was that added with his other posts, which was why his other posts were there. I felt that didn't need explanation.flinter wrote:1) Xite, please, when you are making a point, do it complete and correct. Show how the appeal to emotion is in anyway scummy, as we are human beings and emotions are good. I like emotions, as they can tell you who is town or scum.
2) "can't shake the feeling that JDodge is distancing" is a horrible argument. You have no reason to believe this (or you would have given it), but still you act on it. And I don't know what your experience is, but discussions like these are most often between two townies or one towny and one scum. I would gladly hear your reason why this case is between two scum, and if you don't have one, I would like you to pick which side of this argument (JDodge's or Dana's) you like best.
3) @ the rest. From this post, my doubts about this bandwagon get confirmed. It just is too easy. Dana OMGUS-votes twice, "lies" in one of his first posts, votes people for "contradictions" and argues with anybody who attacks him. If he is scum, he would be a maniac (sorry if you are actually scum), as in the first newby game everybody is told not to OMGUS-vote, and scum is more concious of such rules.
1) He hasn't done anything notable yet, IMO. If he does, I'll let you know.flinter wrote:1) you just named all the notable posters and excluded Shanba because he posts as if he is your best friend?
2) The case sucks. So that must mean both the accused and the accuser are scum, right? Oh, and why would they bus? I see no motivations. Then, might there be a scenario where one of them is town, or where both of them are town? And would such a scenario be more likely then the scenario you proposed?
I think so. I'm sorry xite, but I think you are scum that just loves to apply pressure to both sides, while there isn't a good reason to do so.
3) The nonchalance is fake. Why did you do it? I guess to make your point (correct me if I'm wrong). You say there are tells in that post, but you don't point them out. I believe you didn't point them out because they weren't there and trying to brew tells out of that post would make your point seem weak.
4) First, you should love emotions, not hate them.
5) Second, the bolded part shows how you were searching the thread. If you were scumhunting, you could have seen that part as made by town and by scum, and it wouldn't have caught your eye. But if you were looking to make a case on Furcolow, in stead of hunting scum, that bolded part can easily be twisted into a scumslip.
6)FoS Xite
First line, I applaud you good people! second sentence - I'll make a comment unrelated to the point I get at at the end of my sentence, then use an obvious Joke vote as what made me positive he's scum. Third sentence - Here's where towncreds happen, here's where I make it easy to change my perspective right before dana gets lynched, and now a vote.Wraith wrote:Prozac, JDodge, and Furcolow make excellent cases against UA and dana especially. While I'm not totally sure about UA due to his playstyle, that last OMGUS vote sealed the deal for me against dana. However, I think we should prevent a hammer before we get enough discussion, and I'm putting it out there now that I will unvote to prevent L-1 if it comes too early for my tastes.Vote: danakillsu
Mod, votecount please.
I'll also comment on hiphop's activity during the RVS, which I think was just a random wagon to garner reactions from anyone who jumped aboard. He can't have anything actually against me considering I've never played with him and this is my first post here.
Because, as I said, Frank could be just workinghiphop wrote:Xite91 wrote:Ohai, look how that wagon grew.
OMG! HI FRANK WANNA ATTACK DANA MOAR?>???!
That's right, he is bussing so frickin bad that I feel he should just admit it at this point.
seriously, how did no one else catch that?
By the way, I call it bussing because the case sucks and he's attacking so violently so that later he can go look at me guys, I caught scum, that means I'm town.
In case people can't think for themselvesYou do realize that in order for quote one to be true, dana has to be scum. Yet for some odd reason you believe that dana is less likely to be scum then Frank. Why do you jump over dana?Xite91 wrote:My not-so-sure but still suspicious of them being scum list
Dana
5) Try and use it as a scumtell against me. I dare you.flinter wrote:I wonder, did you ever hear about sarcasm being a standard scumtell? (esspecially when you are accused of something scummy?)5) Oh, was I really searching the thread? It couldn't have been that maybe while I was reading through I noticed scummy things? No not at all
yes I did at the beginning. I forgot to delete it as a I read wicked's post and decided I liked a mysterio vote better.6) Wait, didn't you just vote me in that same post somewhere?
Wraith, would you be so kind to start the investigation on a few other players, so that we will have enough "material"?Wraith wrote:WARNING: L-2
I strongly suggest we take a look at the people defending or buddying dana before we lynch. If we do in fact mislynch I'm not confident there's enough material here to find scum Day 2.
Because this was just an empty post.
It's not as suspicious as other things, but something to keep noted for sure.Wickedestjr wrote:@Mysterio - Okay. Makes sense.Unvote.
1: Umm...what?Xite wrote:1: Throwing spaghetti much with all those IGMEOYs?
2: I can understand suspecting quite a few people, but the way you did it without voting anyone makes me think you're looking for a reaction
2: First of all, I have voted. I voted Mysterio. Second of all, is there a problem with me looking for reactions? What is the point of this statement?
Xite, do you think flinter's attack against you is suspicious?
I lol'd.Furcolow wrote:You joined this site when? June? You're 19? I'm not the best player in the world yet, but I am both older than you and more experienced than you when it comes to mafia. I have played in about 20+ games so far on and off site, and I have a very good win ratio if you factor in TL.@"Xite": Because, as I said, Frank could be just working really hard to get a townie lynched, as I only see newbscum doing this, I'm not sure if that's the case, but Frank does seem pretty newbish
danakillsu wrote:I'm a cop. Breadcrumb in iso 23 "Could Of Played". Will post more at around 9:30 CST.
Not seeing how the "breadcrumb" says anything. But still, I'm not so apt to believe him.xRECKONERx wrote:Shit.
Unvote.
A bit flimsy but the breadcrumb helps.
I think this is a good idea, only problem is that it outs at least 2 PRsBunnylover wrote:Actually no. I'm more then sure in this large game number their will be a mafia roleblocker, who could possible stop him from invistgating. I would suggest if we have a tracker to track him to see if he visits anyone, or if he is visit by someone, I think it works both way right?Mysterio wrote:None of that exposition was necessary, nor does it even help your case. The fact is we have to unvote simply because we can't know either way. Thing is, if you're not a cop, you'll be outed soon enough. So, no harm in letting you live for now.
Unvote
Please re-explain this, I think that you mixed up some words.Bunnylover wrote:The doctor doesn't have to protect, that his/her choice. Reason been is because the mafia would assume that the doctor would protect the cop, which would mean they wouldn't try and kill him/her, they would just roleblock the doctor, making us kill him since he didn't get to invisitgate anyone, and them getting the ability to still night lynch. Which means the mafia now has a 50/50 chance of hitting the cop, it all depends if they want to risk thinking that the doctor didn't protect him.
Also, I probably doubt their is only one cop role in this game, since its 24 people probably their more invisitgating people
No, but I will wait to push a lynch until I see a few more flips.Shanba wrote:xite, do you believe the claim or not? It wasn't entirely clear to me from your post where you mentioned it.
Polly wanna cracker???singersigner wrote:Haven't we all been saying that it's not necessarily a belief in the claim, but more so a disbelief in lynching a claimed cop D1? Most of it's been skepticism, with Bunnylover basically laying out why it would be unwise to lynch him D1, anyway. I don't know why you would think otherwise...Furcolow wrote:wow, you all realize believed that fakeclaim and breadcrumb? *facepalm*
Stop acting like youknowyou've got scum; both his and your cases on each other were weak. If I didn't know any better, I'd say you two are playing some wacked up scum-team game with each other, crucifying one to make the other look that much more innocent.
First bit: I'm debating coming after you based on some meta-type ideas I recently saw.flinter wrote:If this claim is indeed fake, and there is a cop around, I would ask him not to counterclaim. It wouldn't make sense as dana wouldn't be the most valuable scum, and the cop could do some major damage to the scumteam in a large game (he stays alive for longer, and might save up a few results).
Does anybody know if the mod is known for using cops?
I lol'd a little when I saw you saying you're gonna ISO two of the biggest suspects in the game so farWraith wrote:It's a hard bargain, but I think I'll believe the claim, for now.Unvote
Sorry, meant to post more ISOs but got wrapped up in another game, then had a thing last night. Getting on a couple right now. Hiphop and Furcolow.
9: I never voted dana. Also, it was based on something he thought was a contradiction, which I totally understand his thought process for.Wraith wrote:9: attacks Xite for voting dana despite suspecting Furcolow more(hypocrisy, he votes for wagons for the sake of them being wagons)
Hiphop is either blatant scum trying to slip under the radar or really dumb town who won't contribute until Day 2. His single-minded crusade for a bandwagon of some kind is unsettling.
Do you really wanna start WIFOM? There are a lot of things that could happen. Which I'm going to show in my next post.Bunnylover wrote:Guess I got ahead of myself, but more then likely the cop would get lynch after claiming, then coming up empty handed, right?
Could I have sworn at least two people had stated it :<
1) I said it was the combined posts. ISO me. I can't explain it, you have to read it.nhammen wrote: 1) He's asking why the AtE was scummy. You can't just say, it's scummy because I think it was scummy. Well... you kinda did, but still!
2) Yeah, it kinda looks like distancing... but, talking about distancing before even seeing a flip is called confirmation bias.
3) Agree. Too scummy to be scum is not a good argument.
"Don't mind me, I'm just trying to make sure attention stays on someone else"danakillsu wrote:unvote vote: hiphop
He's not just a lurker, he's a scummy one, too. And I'm not getting anywhere by voting for Frankscum. Would be willing to vote for Wraith if a decent wagon got started, or obviously for Frank.
Because I'm sure of frank, just not dana yet. I have to wait to see some flips first.hiphop wrote:9.Wrong. I attacked xite because he claimed that frank was bussing dana. I don't care, who you are, the only way it can be a bus is if both dana and frank are scum. Yet Frank is in the list not so sure scum. Why? His response was thisLook what I bolded. His rebuttal basically comes back says my origninal point. Frank is bussing. Then again, why use someting in a case that he is not sure of?Xite91 wrote:Because, as I said, Frank could be just workingreallyhard to get a townie lynched, as I only see newbscum doing this,I'm not sure if that's the case, but Frank does seem pretty newbish
Either way your analysis of iso 9 is bs.
I'll be giving my whole mafia theory based on this post after the post you're reading now.Furcolow wrote:I've only caught up to wraiths post, and he said he wants to see my reaction to the cop claim, so here it is:
Furcolow wrote:Let's vote the two people who are posting like town on this page you gaiz! I AM SO GOOD AT MAFIA. I would vote you, but I am not petty nor an idiot like you apparently are if those are your top 2 suspicions.
you are also close-minded if you think that it is impossible to lynch someone for a fakeclaim, which is obviously a fakeclaim, due to a shitty ass breadcrumb
you make me sick
Really? Idiot.Furcolow wrote:I'd like moderator clarification on scum's ability to talk
Still too lazy to check what ad hom means...Furcolow wrote:xite, stop the ad hom right now
vote: xite
I'm pretty sure I said something about hating "it's too easy" cases.Wraith wrote:*confusing self with thought*
I need to take a break. I'm obviously doing things too fast (ie my ISOs, which are definitely not as good as some in my previous games).
@Xite: If I was scum with Furcolow, I would not be doing this much defending. I just think he's a bad D1 lynch. Personally I think he should vigkilled during a later night because he draws so much damn fire from everyone. It'll be very easy for the scum to manipulate the town into lynching him. I'm assuming Furcolow is town because he's too easy to lynch. If he was scum he wouldn't attract this much attention to himself. Therefore, I believe at least one or two scum are part of the "lynch Furcolow" mob.
Considering this is a normal game, I expected very basic roles, also 6 or 7 is mathematically sound according to statistical analysis (Again, this is based on discussions IRL, and RL games so I guess it could be different online?)Porochaz wrote:@Xite, Outguessing the mod is not a hugely useful. It brings up a whole load of wifom that isn't fun to sift through and in the end gets us nowhere. A 7 man scum group would be excessive, a 6 man one would be as well although 3 - 3 I could see. However thats beside the point. Your knowledge of roles is quite limited as well, I don't know whether that was for the purposes of argument or whatever but generally a good place to start is MBF's flash thingie or http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... zoraster_2. You will find a larger variation in roles than cop/doc/vig/rber.
The game just started, it will slow down soon, but for now just try your best to keep up. And if you want a case on Frank, then just give him a look in ISOxRECKONERx wrote:That'd be easier if this game wasn't going 10000 miles an hour.
I pointed it out because of Franks post on his mafia theory, I was giving him mine in rebuttal, but I do agree that we should drop it for now, at least until we a few flipsPorochaz wrote:You will notice that those are proposed roles for normal games. From my knowledge of BBM, he'll more than likely be fairly adventurous, and doc/cop can be a broken mechanic. I wouldn't base your thoughts on the game from experiences IRL, apparently not very similar. Reck went to a scummers meet, recently, he could probably agree/disagree with me on that issue. In any case as I said before, whilst I do enjoy getting a bit into this, its almost always a mistake too. Anything about the setup we guess would only be just that, and its not a good road to go down.Xite91 wrote:Considering this is a normal game, I expected very basic roles, also 6 or 7 is mathematically sound according to statistical analysis (Again, this is based on discussions IRL, and RL games so I guess it could be different online?)Porochaz wrote:@Xite, Outguessing the mod is not a hugely useful. It brings up a whole load of wifom that isn't fun to sift through and in the end gets us nowhere. A 7 man scum group would be excessive, a 6 man one would be as well although 3 - 3 I could see. However thats beside the point. Your knowledge of roles is quite limited as well, I don't know whether that was for the purposes of argument or whatever but generally a good place to start is MBF's flash thingie or http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... zoraster_2. You will find a larger variation in roles than cop/doc/vig/rber.
Way to give yourself an excuse for later.Wraith wrote:I have to think a bit. If I can get some attacks and defenses going off around me, I might be able to make a good D1 lynch, so you can get some reads when I flip. Stay tuned, I'm gonna do some scumhunting tomorrow when I get home in the evening.
His flip will give us plenty, especially when he flips scum.Wraith wrote:What I don't want is a Frank lynch, because his flip will give us nothing. However, because I don't want a Frank lynch, people are accusing me of scumbuddying with Frank. Therefore, if someone is going to be the sacrificial lamb, I'm the better lynch.Porochaz wrote:There are already attacks going off around you, whilst I appreciate the effort of actually playing the game, which is actually turning into a novelty...
Wait, are you about to do the lynch me now gambit I've seen you do before? Because it's a really sucky move, it would only be your opinions only and your interactions, and if your town you are distracting us from a scum lynch. Put it this way, if we were rolling a d24 dice, and lynched the corresponding number that would be between 4/5% of catching scum. If you are town and you are looking for us to lynch you, that drops 4/5%.
You can do the same with frank, I mean, there was you, singer, and a few others that I definitely want to take a look at, but Frank is definitely my choice for a lynch todayWraith wrote:What you make of it. Better than Frank. For Frank, you'll get "He was sooooooooooooo scummy," which is true. With me you can at least analyze my wagon for people who gave good reasons (town), people who gave bad reasons (wild), people who gave no reasons (scum), and people who say "he said to vote for him" (scum)
nexus strategy?Wraith wrote:Ugh, then other people need to stop attacking me for supposed "buddying" before I jump on the grenade, if that's how it actually works.
Don't LYNCH Frank. VIGKILL him. That's pretty much the gist of what I'm trying to say. Frank's scumminess is just as much a distraction as my nexus strategy.
First part, I don't think so, but I could be wrong, so don't criticize meRobbnva wrote:as much as I hate to admit it, i don't think furccolow is mafia either, but again my radar could be wrong.
he seems too much in the forefront to be mafia, mafia would typically lay low, not make them look to obvious on day 1
I would also expect to see a couple of bus votes and quick unvoting between mafia scum, that is usually the norm where I play
course I have learned playing here, I definitely aint in kansas anymore toto
Or... you're his partner?Wraith wrote:@Prozac/Xite: Stupid me, I was thinking Lightning Rod only during the day, not Nexus. Anyways, you're right, you're right, I'm being an idiot in desperation.
The problem with Frank is that his normal play is so scummy that it makes him ridiculously hard to read. Personally I think he acts like that for precisely that reason. I can't shake the gut feeling that he's savvier than people give him credit for.
First, please don't start a D1 no-lynch argument, check out some of my games to see how well that works out. (AKA a lot of noise, and a No-lynch is NEVER good on D1, especially without an open setup)Furcolow wrote: I don't like seeing that. Lynching me, however, is better than lynching someone who is better for the town than I am. A no lynch would be better than lynching me for the town, though, and I know that. I'm sorry you all don't feel the same way. I realize people are going to be like AtE, but I'm not going to erase anything that I've typed so far. I am going to use 2 things to make this post. The player list, and my brain.
a2rudeboy - replaced out
Benmage - Seemed like scum to me, because JDodge is convincing, but JDodge/Benmage argument may have had one blue and one townie. Possibly red, though, when you think someone is a detective, right? Anyone pro-town have thoughts on this? Please don't overanalyze what I'm doing here either, I am really wanting people to believe I'm town, and I don't know what to do other than force myself to make a large post. I saw someone in a game say something like people who are town need to contribute en masse and not let scum slip by under the radar. I agree to that philosophy, but people don't seem to like voting for the people who don't contribute necessarily. I like the people who are out in the open, because I'm out in the open. Sorry to go off on a tangent
Bunnylover - Don't really like to read what they have to say in general, so I'm not going to comment much on this one. I saw people were interested in lynching them, and I would be ok with that, as I have no idea as to anyone's alignment but my own, but it wouldn't really give me personally a lot of information. If they flipped red, you'd bet your ass off I'd analyze the wagon and reference all reactions they had with them in iso.
ConfidAnon - Isn't this the person I asked to contribute by asking the mod to prod them at 25 hours? If it is, it's funny, because I don't remember them really posting anything.
Danakillsu - I'd like to see if he'd actually flip Detective. I doubt he would.
Flameaxe- Thanks for hosting
Flinter - Started posting late or got a new icon. Seemed town in terms of contribution.
Furcolow - pro-town, though I am admittedly scummy
HipHop - I thought he felt like town. I am not the best at reading people.
JDodge - I liked his reaction with dana as being town on scum, but if dana really is a detective, he should check Jdodge.
Kise - Who? lol
Mysterio - I like this player. He is voting me, but I really don't care. I have a strong town read on him, but maybe that means he's mafia because I'm so backwards in my reads sometimes.
nhammen - I would be ok with his lynch.
Orochi - confirmed!
Porochaz - seems like a confused townie, slinging words and not helping the town
Robnnva - Seems like scum to me.
Sebguer - Null read, would be ok with a lynch.
Seth - confirmed!
Shanba - feels like a town player, probably a townie
I lol'd at boldedFurcolow wrote:singersigner - VI
UA - scum
wickedestjr - scum with nhammen and bunnylover possibly
wraith - townie read
xite - vig hit please
xreckonerx - I don't have a scum read on him
WHAAAAAA????????Furcolow wrote:This right here felt like Xite trying to steer the town in the wrong direction as mafia. Robnnva feels like a townie to me, but he hasn't posted like a townie should.Robbnva wrote:the first part, after reading back some more I may even retract my own statement, frank isn't looking too goodXite91 wrote:First part, I don't think so, but I could be wrong, so don't criticize meRobbnva wrote:as much as I hate to admit it, i don't think furccolow is mafia either, but again my radar could be wrong.
he seems too much in the forefront to be mafia, mafia would typically lay low, not make them look to obvious on day 1
I would also expect to see a couple of bus votes and quick unvoting between mafia scum, that is usually the norm where I play
course I have learned playing here, I definitely aint in kansas anymore toto
Second, It's TOO GODDAMN EASY
Third, that's the kind of thing we make sure to look at after the flip
Fourth, making sure you have a chance to change your opinions if it calls for it.
What is that, three scum caught at least?
Oh, I'm dumb town for pointing out the most obvscum player in the game?Furcolow wrote:a vig would hit you because you're either dumb town or scum
i would not be flipping scum, i would be flipping town
quit stating lies
You know what, the coaching thing I can see.singersigner wrote:I think posting a list of who you think is aligned where is seriously one of the worst moves you could possibly do on this site. Seriously, are you just coaching your scum buddies for if/when you get lynched today, so they know who you'd like to focus on after you're gone? Or are you that dumb of a townie that you're giving scum everything to make their strategy with?
While I agree that he could be seen as more than just null, I do not agree with the above quote. Do you mean all the two popular wagons? Both with many legitimate reasons for a vote? And the second one starting after the first claimed cop?Wickedestjr wrote:Also he has been taking part in all the popular bandwagons.
Felt? Why the past tense if you're still saying you think he's scum?Furcolow wrote:Scummy =/= Scum
I felt like I had a good case on dana
You've never seen a 3 mason group before? O.OWickedestjr wrote:It is likely that if there is a mason group in this game, it only has two people in it. I don't think I've ever seen a larger mason group before and my last 24 player game I was a mason and had only one partner.Xite wrote:If there are more, I can see a group of 3 masons (confirmed or unconfirmed, but more than likely all town) and/or 1 town RBer
It's not exactly meta on you, it's just something that was used against me recently and it was more a joke than anything, since one of those people are playing.flinter wrote:Sorry xite, could you explain what meta-type ideas you are talking about? As far as I know, we haven't played together.
I didn't think the question was dumb. If the mod hates the cop, and won't use it in his setup (I'm certain I read about someone who wouldn't), we would have one caught scum. If not, nothing would be lost.
ConfidAnon wrote:Out of the two, wraith is superior.Xite91 wrote:Okay, so I think that we should either decide on a frank or a wraith lynch
Why is Furc so scummy except the blatant AtE and insistence that danakillsu is scum and the lynch for today? Because I think AtE is a nulltell and insistence is a towntell to be honest.
(That's directed at anyone, not just Xite.)
Did you miss my whole post on mafia theory? And my reasoning for posting said mafia theory? Are you reading the thread????xRECKONERx wrote:Can someone explain to me why the fuck Wicked & xite are speculating on mason teams?
That's his next response. I make a case and he doesn't try to dispute it, instead he tries to discredit it, another scum traitFurcolow wrote:and if i'm your top suspect, we are obviously not reading the same game
Oh yeah and there's also that one term, Ad hom was it?Furcolow wrote:Let's vote the two people who are posting like town on this page you gaiz! I AM SO GOOD AT MAFIA. I would vote you, but I am not petty nor an idiot like you apparently are if those are your top 2 suspicions.
you are also close-minded if you think that it is impossible to lynch someone for a fakeclaim, which is obviously a fakeclaim, due to a shitty ass breadcrumb
you make me sick
And there's your proofFurcolow wrote:xite, stop the ad hom right now
vote: xite
I don't care what people think about me, because whether or not I act it, I am human.danakillsu wrote:Let's put this another way, shall we? You are a human. You do some things to seem more human sometimes. You wouldn't want people calling you inhuman for your behavior. Just because you do things to seem more like a human like combing your hair or putting on deodorant doesn't mean you are not in fact human.
Then do it, just ISO who you think is scummy, tell us why and actually try to read, it's slowing down, and after D1 it will go much slower (Especially if we lynch Frank ) So just keep at it and try keeping upxRECKONERx wrote:I'm really not reading this thread, no.
Mod, if you want to look for a replacement for me, that'd be nice.
This game is moving too fast with too many walls of text for me to actually keep up.
And I really wanted to play with this playerlist so bad.
I lol'd. This is an awesome argument, actuallyflinter wrote:and if I was someone trying to blend in, I would tell them I used deodorant that morning (in stead of just talking about the weather like everybody else)danakillsu wrote:Let's put this another way, shall we? You are a human. You do some things to seem more human sometimes. You wouldn't want people calling you inhuman for your behavior. Just because you do things to seem more like a human like combing your hair or putting on deodorant doesn't mean you are not in fact human.
As in, when you read him in ISO (look at the bottom of the page, you can read one person at a time) These are the numbers to his post.UltimaAvalon wrote:Ok, apparently it's been so long that played Mafia that there are new ways of posting that I'm not quite grasping. ISO numbers? This clearly isnt post 16 of the game, nor does it make sense in context of my 16th postXite91 wrote:Okay, Useful ISO time!!!
All post numbers are ISO numbers
...
16) Here's two point UA makes that are just too valid not to be buddying...
Hun, that was sarcasm. I figured it didn't need sarcasm tags. I was saying you were making valid points, but because they were defending someone else, he was saying it was buddying. It was a whole post of bullshit, his ISO 16 wasUltimaAvalon wrote:Here, have some contextXite91 wrote:16) Here's two point UA makes that are just too valid not to be buddying...
It is typically a scum trait to do things just because it looks townie, also it's very easy to breadcrumb before you're under scrutiny, for example, it's Very Tiresome to be arguing this with you (Using your style of BCing, which is terrible, in the first place). Also, it was after you were getting a bunch of votes, which is scummy in itself.danakillsu wrote:@ xite
So maybe YOU don't do stuff that way, but plenty of people do, and you don't say "that person is not human" just because they're trying to look like other humans. And sometimes it does take effort to look like what you really are, which is really my main point.
Oh? How have i had a "broken scumdar?"danakillsu wrote:@ xite
That was not a smart play. You cannot possibly say that breadcrumbing is scummy. It just doesn't make sense. It's null at worst no matter when you do it.
On the topic of "looking townie", what you say destroys the basic rules of scumhunting. It's no wonder it seems like you've had a broken scumdar this whole time. If you think only scum try to look townie, then you think townies don't care how they look. If you think townies don't care how they look, then the townie ones are the scum and the scummy ones are the town. Are you kidding me?
Xite91 wrote:First, Frank is also scum
Dana could just be really bad town, but depending on other flips could be scum too.
Wraith is scum.
Jdodge is possible scum.
......
Okay, so my scum list
Frank
Wraith
Bunny
My not-so-sure but still suspicious of them being scum list
Dana
Jdodge
Hiphop
So, yeah
Xite91 wrote:Oh, lemme add one more to that not so sure, but possibly scummy thing
singersigner
Are you going to bring in any new ideas of your own after being gone?
Xite91 in regards to rob wrote:What is that, three scum caught at least?
So how are they all over the place?Xite91 wrote: First, please don't start a D1 no-lynch argument, check out some of my games to see how well that works out. (AKA a lot of noise, and a No-lynch is NEVER good on D1, especially without an open setup)
Next, People I'm going to look at when Frank flips scum;
Flinter
Jdodge
HipHop
Rob
Wraith
***Disclaimer! This is based on gut, do what you will with it***
I lol'd at boldedFurcolow wrote:singersigner - VI
UA - scum
wickedestjr - scum with nhammen and bunnylover possibly
wraith - townie read
xite - vig hit please
xreckonerx - I don't have a scum read on him
Wraith for obvreasons
Hey UA? Can you be my ambassador/interpreter? You speak my thoughts so well when I can't find a way to say itUltimaAvalon wrote:@Dana: Proven how? Stating your opinion doesn't "prove" anything. The only real way to prove your argument is to cite examples from other games.
Secondly, There's a difference between acting town-like, and deliberately acting town-like. And it's not entirely accurate to say that simply because someone isn't trying to act town that they're automatically acting scummy. You'll find there's actually a large margin between the two
Oh come on it can't be too bad.UltimaAvalon wrote:I dont think you can afford my services
Considering you're dragging on the conversation and I'm being consistent? I'm trying to restate my opinion and general scumreads so that your feeble mind can understand them.danakillsu wrote:@xite
All you've done is restate your opinion, which I've already proven to be illogical. It's not only new players that do deliberate things to look town as town, because that wouldn't make sense. If you're not trying to look town as town, you're not helping your team, because they will not listen to scummy players when they give their scumreads. Your reads have been all over the place, and I have not agreed with them in general. I believe I can get at least a fair amount of agreement from the other players on the first point.
Wrong, town are townie by nature, and by not being worried about looking town, they usually do a damn good job of looking town. Trying to look town is scummy, because that's what scum do.danakillsu wrote:@UA
Proven by the fact that this game does have methods for catching scum. xite's ideas go against those methods. And I did not mean to say that in such a scenario the town players would play scummy, I only meant to say that they would always be scummiER than the actual scum, who are trying to look town. It makes any notion of townie and scummy useless.
This could have something to do with itdanakillsu wrote:I don't know why Frank isn't dead yet! I've been trying to get him lynched for forever...
*Sigh* I think I'm in love... waaaaiiiit, I have a policy against self voters.......UltimaAvalon wrote:No. TRYING to look Town is what makes you looks scummy, because Scum HAVE to act like Town in order to live. If you're Town, you only have to not look like Scum. And there is a lot of grey in between these two concepts
Already discussed, reasons already given, and this topic is done for nao ploxhiphop wrote: xite-It would probably be best if you didn't try to outguess the mod with setup speculation. What exactly are you trying to prove? Why do it day 1? Do you think it is helpful when truly there can be over 1000 different ways a mod can setup all we have is a claimed cop and the knowledge of our individual roles?
Lulz really? You mean that thing I did to show dana that anyone could breadcrumb anything? At anytime? And the fact that it doesn't mean jack shit about if that's actually what it is? Oh, and the one I pointed out so that he would notice? Or at least made abundantly clear that that was an example, but eh, I guess you're just really slow.Wraith wrote:@UA: THe breadccrumb I spotted was Xite's. I don't know why he's claiming at this point, but it's null-tell IMO. He could be scum trying to set up a future believable claim like Dana did, or he could be genuinely town. Either way, I don't think it should affect anyone's reads on him much.
Oh, now that he's got a lot of attention, and you're our next choice suspect, with the exception of maybe hip hop?Wraith wrote:Okay, catching up some more, I'm losing faith in my defense of Furcolow faster and faster, especially with the scumslip post Wicked pointed out. TBH however, I think it can be safe to believe there's a possibility that there are two scum groups, considering the size of the game, but I suppose the scumminess of that comment comes from the certainty. Also, lynching the claimed cop is STUPID no matter how you look at it. If we're trying to avoid lynching our power roles I think we're better off lynching you, because you've denied my wild speculation that you're a PR playing VI to avoid a nightkill. Even if we don't lynch, he draws a nightkill or at least a roleblock, if there is a scum roleblocker. Better for him to die at night and given a chance than struck down by the town after he's claimed. I'm also doubting myself over Furcolow because of his continued ultra-scummy play, specifically his jumping onto the most popular wagon whenever he sees it. I believe he's on the hiphop wagon now?
I think I was going to say something else but I forgot. Got too caught up in the WIFOM going on in my head about Frank.
AtE too? FunfunfunWraith wrote:However, I'll add that either way I think me voting Frank will end up as a lose-lose for me. I'll immediately get hit by a wall of bussing accusations, and if he flips scum I'll probably be the Day 2 lynch. If I vote for him and he flips town, I'll still probably get lynched Day 2 for suddenly flip-flopping on my stance and joining his very popular wagon. But whatever, I don't really care, because my lynch would save a PR from being mislynched. I still honestly think lynching Frank is a bad idea in the long run, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Vote: Frank
You can't "prove" your opinion. That's the first mistake with this, second, why should we change our opinions to yours? Third, I would agree with bunny, I'm pretty sure wraith is the lynch for tomorrow, so how about hiphop and Jdodge being your other two choices?danakillsu wrote:I apologize for the recent second thread explosion. It is apparent that trying to prove my opinion is useless because I can't get anything out of UA or xite other than a stating of their opinions. Anybody know how long until the day ends? If it's close, don't vote for anyone other than Frank or hiphop, so we can at least lynch someone today. Also, anybody disagree with nhammen's suggestions for my investigation (Wraith, hiphop, and bunny)?