Mafia 119: MURDER AT HOTEL DEATH(GAME OVER)
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@Mod: I need to extend the V/LA until sunday afternoon. Were staying an extra night and i can barely reply...doing so on my terrible pantech matrix.
Posting some thoughts tomorrow.-
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I'm back.
I need to regain myself before I post though, so hang tight. Expect a post around 4 or so.-
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Alright, I guess I can get started.
I posted nothing at first to see what peoples' reactions would be to absolutely no reasoning from me and especially with sharp-timed votes. I really had no clue that everyone else was going to follow on my Espy vote. But let me explain what I think about everyone and everything so far:
My Looker vote: The only reasoning of this vote was for RVS, and on Looker because his vote was differently formatted. He responded actually quite well for an RVS vote without stated reasoning and in an interesting way. I left it on to see if I could get another reaction and to see if I could sharp-time my vote for more reactions from others. Then game the Jack/Espy fiasco, as I'd like to call it.
This Jack/Espy fiasco: I felt like Jack was acting too scummy for his own good...a meta check with Jack shows that he likes early-game gambits, hence his talk on the post restriction. Reaction fishing. So I waited and thought about putting pressure on Prana, but I noticed that a LOT of people were starting to fall for his gambit (albeit not voting him quite yet)...so I decided to wait for the one person that actually agreed with Jack and found him town to take advantage of being the "smart guy who knows whats up and looks most town":
Post #31: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2489439, Espy comes into play. I didn't vote here because I wanted to see more reasoning.
Post #46: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p2490168, I felt like this was a good enough time to act on my suspicions and to put some more pressure on him. I had a feeling like he felt like he made a mistake and he wanted to roll with his earlier statement to sound consistent...but failing in the process. vollkan wrapped it up quite nicely in his #48. Vibes and "thinking he knows what his role is"? Why didn't you just think of the obvious and feel like he was gambiting? This is a sort of "in the middle" viewpoint between thinking it's a gambit and falling for it that doesn't sit right with me.
Jack's vote on me (#54): This looks more townie than anything else, completely disregarding all other talk of "post restrictions" and all that jazz. He wanted more reaction out of me. I'm not really sure how to scale my suspicions on vollkan's number scale, but if I had to, I'd say it's a -3 type of post. /shrug. Nicol's reaction to his vote....is...well, I don't know. I'm leaning more towards a confused VT thinking that Jack's priorities are skewed. Neutral-townish tell to me.
Looker #59: Well, here you go. Also...I don't like most of the reasoning to what you're responding to...short but agreeable responses (scum's town-looking grace) and missing the obvious (especially on Jack's "post restriction") makes me feel like you're in the same boat as Espy, but not as deeply. You're the first one that asked me why I don't have reasoning in my votes....so I find that more townish as well in this case; it's gone on long enough to cause some people to start to wonder. I get a neutral tell from this post, but you're treading on thin ice...I mean I can SEE how a bussing convo can go between you and Espy and not be surprised by it. I do want to say that you saying that a2rudeboy's vote on himself is "bussing" does -not- sit right with me.
@Snake absolutely forgetting that RVS was over (#63): More of a newbie mistake than anything else. Completely null. If anyone had attacked him over this, I would have probably auto-voted the attacker.
The exchange from #82-#84: I'm somewhat confident that at this point, from my reads, one of you are scum and one of you are town. Not really sure which is which, and I'm still leaning towards Espy, but I can see how Espy:
1. can be the scapegoat in this case,
2. can just be legitimately screwing up as scum.
I'm not ready to make a clear cut decision on this quite yet. But I don't feel like you both are scum, and I don't really think you both are town.
Pom's #86: Eh......not really liking this vote. Call it a hunch. He wasn't really wishy-washy at all, just not very clear. Neutral-scummy.
My thoughts on Cooldog and a2 at this point: Somewhat townish...I like Cooldog more than a2, but that doesn't mean that I find a2 outright scummy. Pretty pro-active views on this game and not afraid to scumhunt. I don't agree with a2 saying that Espy and Jack are buddying up, but that might just be a disagreement on views.
Jack's #90: COMPLETELY anti-town, but I wouldn't say it's scummy...Jack is being Jack in this case, he likes to unnerve people. I will keep this post in mind, but I would not include this in a case on him, simple as that. At least, not yet. Anyway, Jack: Cut it the hell out, man.
Nero Cain's vote on me (#92): Another eh. You're more vocal than Looker was and I'm not sure if I like that, but once again, it's been going on long enough for anyone to start to get suspicious. If you had done this after my Espy vote, I probably would have voted you, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, especially since you're pretty persistent on it...but I don't like you're reasoning though. You're going to need more evidence than "I'm voting and going V/LA" to seriously build a case on me. Scummy-ish, so consider my eye on you.
Espy's #95: I don't like the fact that you're asking for questions...scummy post. I do that a lot as scum in order to psychologically gain everyone's trust. At this point, I'm definitely leaning towards you as scum, jack as town.
#107, #108 exchange: I'm not sure what to make of this for right now, but keeping my eye on it for later.
Jack voting for everyone is....again, just Jack being Jack, I think. I believe wholeheartedly that he's just town being REALLY anti-town and I'd wish that he'd stop. I don't really agree with his reads.
Now....the claims.
I believe the claims. All 4 of them.
What I'm THINKING is that there's a town+town combo and a town+scum combo. It'd be a bit too skewed towards Mafia to have two town+scum combos, and too bastardish-confusing to have two town+town combos. I would say my suspicion out of TNM, CKD, zwets and Pom: It would probably be Pom. Flying under the radar composure-wise. I would like zwet to post more. I also think the claim is VERY important for today and gives us a great deal of info.
So, here's my wrap-up:
There's zwet vs. Pom: I believe Pom is scum here.
Jack vs. Espy: I believe Espy is scum.
CKD and TNM: Both are town.
Vollkan looks somewhat town to me.
Snake....I'm not sure yet. I've got my eye on him.
Cooldog is townish, a2, not so much, but still alright.
Horrordude's okay.
Nicol...I want to see him post more.
NC: Somewhat scummy but I'm not going to be bold enough to point my hand towards him, but I feel like I want to see more from him.
I would be comfortable with an Espy or Pom lynch for today. I'm not going to get ahead of myself and post a full 4 or 5 person scumlist when it's not quite needed.-
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Don't preach to me on what constitutes a good vote then pin the blame on who I outwardly expressed as town.Espeonage wrote:Yeah I don't think Pom and I are scum together. You could argue bussing but tipping point is a stupid vote to bus on. I reckon that the scum there is either zwet or TNM if your theory on the alignment of the neighbour pairs is correct.
I feel even more confident at this point.-
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I, too, would like to know this, to follow up.PranaDevil wrote: Also, can one of the partners tell me their exact role name. Don't paraphrase the role name, state it exactly as it's written (and thus how it would show up with the flip).-
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4a. On that note, quoting or using the structure of the role PM in any way is a two-strike deal. If you do it once, you get a warning. Maybe. You do it twice, modkill. Two strikes, you're out.
But you can say the name of the role, not quote the PM, right?-
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Sera, I want a rule clarified before I make a point.
We're allowed to quote/paraphrase whatever you've said in this thread, correct? It doesn't state so in the rules, but it usually is one.-
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I'm guessing you decided to dodge my last post.Espeonage wrote:VOTE: zwet In his claim post just before he seemed as if he was flopping onto the townieness of CKDs claim. I don't like that. Also that last post just now doesn't sit with me very well either.
It feels like I struck a nerve with you and you've decided to pass the buck onto zwet.
I want more people to comment on the Pom/Espy connection here. That was a pretty obvious soft-defense of her.-
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Did you decide not to comment on this, or did you just not read it?DemonHybrid wrote:
Don't preach to me on what constitutes a good vote then pin the blame on who I outwardly expressed as town.Espeonage wrote:Yeah I don't think Pom and I are scum together. You could argue bussing but tipping point is a stupid vote to bus on. I reckon that the scum there is either zwet or TNM if your theory on the alignment of the neighbour pairs is correct.
I feel even more confident at this point.-
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Except that I find you more scummy because
1. You're one of the four claimed neighborvigs
2. I have a theory that there's one town-town team and one town-scum team and pretty sure of it due to a hope that this game wasn't bastardmodded
3. You're just acting scummy on your own.
I believe that you're scum with Espy by association...and then he soft-defended you.
So, yeah.you both are scum, he did make a mistake by associating you with him. You should probably yell at him in the QT tonight if he's still alive =|Assuming-
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CKD:
I'm with Prana. I want to know the title of your role.
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Nope. Sticking with who I think is scum. You're just stubborn. Nice AtE there though.curiouskarmadog wrote:well kids, you are not getting it...you got a problem with that vote me....
If others are willing to out the role name, I'm sure they'd be more helpful. zwet, TNM, Pom?
Preview edit: Like I'm saying now: Stubborn, not scummy.
And NO. Saying the role name or any other available info is PRO-TOWN. That is a -fact-.-
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And I was obviously -exaggerating-.Pomegranate wrote:
Sorry, but that is an -opinion-.DemonHybrid wrote:And NO. Saying the role name or any other available info is PRO-TOWN. That is a -fact-.
This conversation is now -ridiculous-.-
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It's rather stunning me that this information is so important that all 4 claimed neighbors won't even release the role name.
Can you guys at least tell us why thenameis so important without telling us the actual name?-
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This is absurd. I don't even know how to respond.-
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Jack wrote:DH and prana are being silly.
I nearly lost it after reading theseJack wrote:Sorry, that was kind of an insult
You need to do a LOT more to insult me, Mr. Jack.-
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Well, I, for one, think that withholding something simple like a strange role name is somewhat anti-town, but I can see why if they have a plan and they have X amount of shots.Espeonage wrote:What is the point of the nameclaim? You guys have said you want the name for flip puposes. That kinda only applies if we are lynching one and thus getting the flip.
I have no clue what Prana's thinking.-
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Whoa, hello.
Take that to PMs, chief.-
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Yes, 4 scum have decided to take the ultimate risk and out themselves if one of them gets killed, therefore making the worst play in mafia history. Once again, vezok, you need to twist your head on straight.vezokpiraka wrote:LOL. neighbors with vig shots. Why the heck did you guys claimed?
If you are town you did very bad because the scum may no kill and get a nice little bunch of WIFOM.
This claim is like what scum means.
I believe they are scum running a gambit. Let's kill one of them and see what happens.
unvote vote CKD
Jeez, at least if we're going to kill one, lets kill Pomegranate.-
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And like I said in my theory a while back (I hope you've read pretty thoroughly...) that it'd be absolutely bastardly of the mod to make two scum-scum combos and two town-town combos. Town-scum and town-town seems reasonable. Now, which one of those 4 are the most scummy?
Take a look back: here's CKD who's hanging onto the mystery of the shot-count for dear life. Do you think that's scummy, to not give that information over to scum when town doesn't need it now, or townly? He's also pretty brash and proactive this game, provoking those who want to screw up whatever plan he has.
Here's Pomegranate, who's been under the radar, passive in her views and soft-defended by Espy (someone who REALLY should be lynched either now or later). She is also one of the neighbors (who never wanted to be outed, by the way; I've been in plenty of games where scum neighbors did not want to be outed), which gives her just as much of a chance of being scum as CKD does but is more likely due to composure differences.
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I'm very sure that if one of the neighbors flipped scum, they'd be a "Mafia whatever whatever Neighbor". Also bastardly to keep that flip info from us.-
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You misread again...Pomegranate wrote:
When exactly did I defend Espy?DemonHybrid wrote:Here's Pomegranate, who's been under the radar, passive in her views andsoft-defended by Espy(someone who REALLY should be lynched either now or later). She is also one of the neighbors (who never wanted to be outed, by the way; I've been in plenty of games where scum neighbors did not want to be outed), which gives her just as much of a chance of being scum as CKD does but is more likely due to composure differences.
And I should have WANTED to out myself?
And you were pretty hesitant after you were outed to confirm based on the composure of your post.
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I mean, call me a metaholic, but at first I found Jack to be null based on past play, but I'm leaning heavily in favor of it being a town vs scum exchange. My read on Jack is based solely off of my read on Espy.vollkan wrote:
I've been consistently saying that I see nothing wrong in the way Jack's playing. The only obvious difference I can see between myself and Espy in this respect is that he called Jack "town" - which I disagree with; I see Jack's play as null. But that doesn't seem to be the crux of your Espy case here.DH wrote: This Jack/Espy fiasco: I felt like Jack was acting too scummy for his own good...a meta check with Jack shows that he likes early-game gambits, hence his talk on the post restriction. Reaction fishing. So I waited and thought about putting pressure on Prana, but I noticed that a LOT of people were starting to fall for his gambit (albeit not voting him quite yet)...so I decided to wait for the one person that actually agreed with Jack and found him town to take advantage of being the "smart guy who knows whats up and looks most town":
He's more of a hunch to me at this point; he's been pretty challenging to scummy views and pretty thirsty for information. I don't really want to focus on him too much for Day 1, but I know that that could very well change in the future.vollkan wrote:
Why?DH wrote: My thoughts on Cooldog and a2 at this point: Somewhat townish...-
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Alright, I'm doing some thinking (sorry for the triple post)
As far as the neighbor vigilantes, I do agree we need to learn more about them.
So here's what I propose: Auto-lynch Espy tomorrow, lynch Pom today. Two mis-read statements show nervousness/lack of care in this game among her other traits. I WILL however switch to Espy to hammer if he's L-1...it's not ideal at this point with the claims, but if I have the chance to kill scum, you know that I'd be damn willing to do it. Pom needs more pressure anyway.
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DemonHybrid wrote: Here's Pomegranate, who's been under the radar, passive in her views andsoft-defended by Espy
Yeah, okay.Espeonage wrote:I agree that we should lynch one of the meighbours and that it should be from the second pair. But I think it should be zwet other than Pom. It was unneccessary for him to claim. He could be jumping on to the townieness in which case both are scum or he claimed because he is the scum member of the pair when the town half wouldn't claim in that position unless they were stupid. I hardly think zwet is stupid (yet) and so I think he would be better to lynch than Pom.
I think it was very necessary to claim, especially when they're neighbors and not masons.-
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Oh, and this little gem, too.Espeonage wrote: Now this is why I would prefer to lynch zwet. Because the second pair could be running a gambit.
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If I'm understanding this right, you are meaning a gambit as in two scum running with the idea of vig-neighbors without actually being them. Maybe I assumed that wrong but that's what a gambit means to me if you think -both- of them are in on it.
If you then say that you believe they ARE neighbors and Pom is innocent/zwet is guilty, that's a complete 180 of your past views.-
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Those are two wildly different views. Throwing them around like this is wishy-washy IMO. How can you be SO sure of Pom being town and believe that they both could be scum running a gambit?Espeonage wrote:I'm saying that they COULD be running a gambit and they COULD just be neighbours. But either way zwet is a better lynch infowise for the reasons I stated.
You kinda have to choose one or the other here. Which is it?-
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I'm not sure what you mean about "caring about myself" more. Explain further.vezokpiraka wrote:DH or espy is scum. I believe espy is the scum because DH cares about himself more.
unvote
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Although I still want a neighbor flip.-
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TNM hasn't said a word and zwet is alright in my opinion. I only mentioned CKD vs Pom here because vezok was voting for CKD.-
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He claimed and forced Pom to. Other than that, he's had an RVS vote.
He certainly isn't top of the list scummy and until he posts more, I can assume nothing of him. Therefore, he's -alright-.-
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You know that I'm not putting him at the top of my town list. I just don't think he's the lynch for today. Agree to disagree, no?horrordude0215 wrote:He claims when he should have obviously stayed quiet, provided absolutely no content all game, kept his RVS vote on instead of removing it or trying to find reasons for it, and lurks, but he's still -alright-. I'm gonna have to disagree with you there-
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Read this, Pom.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2497095
I agree with vezok on one thing: That it would probably be wise to see whether or not the neighborvigwhatever claims are truth or not. Now, I think CKD holding onto his shot count is pro-town, but I don't think that letting that information go would really HURT the town that badly. Therefore, I believe the info we can gain by seeing what the big deal is with this role far surpasses the harm that knowing the shot-count will do to us.DH wrote:it's not ideal at this point with the claims, but if I have the chance to kill scum, you know that I'd be damn willing to do it. Pom needs more pressure anyway.
Plus, I do have that town-town town-scum theory.
I never said I don't suspect Espy as much; I still suspect him more than anyone else. I, however, believe that you are scum too and that the information that you would give us in your flip as scum would help us out FAR more at this stage in the game than Espy's. You also aren't scummy -just- because Espy defended you. Regardless, I would be voting Espy still if no one had claimed. I will hammer him if he's L-1, because I do want to kill scum, no matter who it is; it won't beideal, but scum is scum.
And yeah, you were hesitant; you outwardly expressed disdain towards Zwet forcing you to claim. I've seen plenty of scum neighbors go "Oh man...well I didn't want to claim, but sure, I'm a neighbor with X." Usually, they're neighborizers or neighbors from the start of the game. Town would want that information out in the open; scum wouldn't.
Don't worry; No OMGUS harping from me. I do want to know what it is about my posts thus far this game, my style and my reasoning that you find scummy if you wish to label me as scummy.-
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I want TNM's replacement's thoughts on this whole situation when he/she comes in.-
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Yep. Neighbors are a good D1 claim, especially knowing that "neighbors" imply that almost always one or a few of them are scum, therefore you can out them pretty easily.
Read my wiki and look over Soraville; that's a good example of my experience with neighbors.-
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EBWOP: Explaining further, if they were all town "Masons", I would completely agree with you, but Neighbors are acompletelydifferent ballgame.-
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Doesn't change the fact that they're neighbors.-
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Pom, you're lacking a desire to lynch scum here. That's what's making me so uneasy between our back and forth. If you know that outing neighbors basically narrows scum down to 1 or 2 of four people, then why WOULDN'T you be for it, evenwithvig kills?-
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1. Really? So you think that, out of 18 people (and if scum usually comprises of 1/4 people, we'll say 4 and maybe a third party), there could be 4 town neighbors? That would be out of 13ish town. I would assume half of those or at little more than half are VTs, so we'll say 6 VTs to be generous. That leaves 6 power roles. That would mean that 2/3 of these power roles are neighbor vigiliantes. That sounds ridiculous and I'm sure that you'll agree.)
Now, on the flip side, if there are 4 scum neighbor-vigs, that would comprise of all of the scum, or 4/5 if there are 5 scum instead of a third party. That also sounds ridiculous. Same goes for 3 scum: 3/4 of mafia are neighborvigs.
So, it sounds like you're trying to discredit logical thinking to debunk an argument that I have. Or would you agree after seeing the numbers?
2. That wasn't my point. If you know my point 1 of this post is valid and logical, then you'd know that there would be 1-2 scum in these neighborvig combinations. If you out the neighbors, then you have drastically narrowed down where one or two of the scum might be, then you can pick and choose from those 4. You were trying to prevent that and are arguing that it's not such a great idea, therefore it's a lack of desire to lynch scum.
3. Here's an example of that lack of desire to lynch scum. I would think that killing mafia would by far and away trump outing a simple mechanic like a vig shot to most townies. Even if so: you shouldn't have anything to worry about because if mafia chose to kill the town neighborvigs, the chance to find the scum that I mentioned earlier in point 2 would bedrasticallyheightened. So why does this bother you so much?-
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By the way, the thought of 2 scum gambiting is ridiculous to me just by the way that others have claimed. It would be an astronomically low chance for CKD and TNM to be scum that aren't neighborvigs. The chance to be able to guess that role and have Zwet respond with the same claim is absolutely ludicrously low.
Now, there's a chance of Zwet and Pom gambiting is low, but I'm banking that mostly on Pom's reactions to the claim. Even if so, it would be wise to lynch BOTH Pom and Zwet due to the fact that the chance that they might be gambiting (or at least -lying-) is much higher than Claimed Neighborvigs Team #1 would be. MUCH MUCH higher.-
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Oops, gotta fix something:
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I know.Pom wrote:HOWEVER: I'm not saying that there necessarily are no scum within the two pairs of neighborvigs.
That was something I didn't catch. If that's so, I'm the minority, because I'm a VT myself.
Claim: Vanilla Townie
I'm claiming to put things into perspective here and supplement my math. The better we can categorize these neighborvigs, the higher chance town has to catch scum. So, sorry for those that think I'm fucking things up with the PRs.
So there are at least SOME VTs, if at least 1-3 or 1-4. I'm willing to bank on this being the case, though, since this is a pretty large game (probably one of the largest Sera has modded) and he wouldn't have made that mission without including this as his newest experiment.
I'm willing to back off for now. Going back onto my biggest suspicion.
Unvote, Vote: Espeonage
I would still say that scum is around the 1/4 mark and having 3 or 4 scum is ludicrous. But now the chance of there being all 4 town neighborvigs or 3 town/1 scum neighborvigs just got a whole lot higher. High enough to justify being more careful with the neighbors.-
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Here's more of an indication:
"(if they exist)"Seraphim in the special rules section wrote:2. As a corollary to rule 1, all role PMs, with the exception of the vanilla town PM(if they exist), are unique from a flavor perspective.
I'm willing to believe this new revelation.-
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EBWOP: Post #250
DemonHybrid wrote: I would still say that scum is around the 1/4 mark and having 3 or 4 scumneighborvigsis ludicrous. But now the chance of there being all 4 town neighborvigs or 3 town/1 scum neighborvigs just got a whole lot higher. High enough to justify being more careful with the neighbors.-
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Wait, what the fuck, CKD? So you aren't a neighbor?-
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EBWOP: I think I misunderstood: You ARE a neighbor, but you're not a VIG; you just have a vig-like -ability-.-
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Uh....singer?
Is that Nicol posting under SS's screenname?
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This isn't making any sense.singersigner wrote:
I hope this is sufficient.DemonHybrid wrote:I want TNM's replacement's thoughts on this whole situation when he/she comes in.-
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No.voll wrote:This is your only reason for suspecting Pom?
This is a moot point now, but I think that she's being really passive in her views and staying under the radar. However, now that she made the brilliant point about Sera's modding style, I'm letting her go and going for my top suspicion.
This way, we know that there is -at least- one VT. When it comes down to trying to figure out whether one of the neighbors are scum or not, and we know that there are -some- VTs, we know that the chances of there being all 4 town neighbors are slightly diminished. Therefore, in this case, I'm willing to bet that because there are some VTs in play, that there are 4 town neighbors, or 3 town neighbors/1 scum neighbor.voll wrote:How do you think that your claim has been beneficial to the town?-
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Cooldog, if you were asking me a question, you gotta redo your post, man. I can hardly read that.-
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Alright, now that singersigner is definitely part of this game:
Terrible use of judgment. I have to agree with CKD, but not deeply enough to vote you for it.
You both feel town still. Just stop failing.
I'm -starting- to lean more towards Zwet now after my back and forth with Pom, but like I said, I want the neighbors left alone for now. Espy lynch or bust today.-
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Alright, my thoughts on the two points:
I think it's completely unclear whether or not scum can actually use it, but instead, gives the illusion that they can. Obviously, it'd be a vig ability for them, since they wouldn't CPR a person being attacked by their own faction. If they CAN, then yes, it's extra help.CKD’s 122…*sigh* something like that, yeah. But you failed to mention (several times I might add) that it’s one-shot, so no, scum doesn’t get “extra” help if I die and you are, in fact, part of the scum faction. Dumb ass.
I don't agree with this. Especially since she misstated it herself. Horror is alright to me at the moment.I disagree, and almost think that CKD is part of the mafia faction because he decided to make that decision on his own. And not reading the Role PM very carefully apparently, since we can only use it ONCE. I think Horror is buddying with CKD on this one…
As for your questions to me:
a.) Perhaps -somewhat-, but I think there's enough mindfuckery going on at the moment that someone could be town and legit screw up explaining it or reading it right.a.) that is scummy to misrepresent that and b.) do you feel it was a good move as town to mention the one shot part? Also do you understand/agree with SS's vote on me?
b.) As I've said before, I don't think mentioning the shot-count necessarily hurts town, but I think it is pro-town to try to hold onto that info.
If it REALLY came down to CKD or SS as a fight to the death, 1personisconfirmedscumtheotherisconfirmedtown decision that I had to make, I'd choose SS as the scum, BUT! don't forget the math Pom and I went through to get to where we are now. There's a good chance all neighbors are town, and I'd advise against lynching one right now.
I still think this is town vs town and it's a waste to be against each other at this stage in the game with so much craziness going on. For all we know, I could be the only VT and there could be 4 town neighbors, so until things are narrowed down, I'd leave the situation be for right now.
SS is a girl, by the way. Classify her as such, please.-
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Can you both drop this for right now and help us kill Espeonage? You both are misrepresenting stuff at this point and it's just boiled down to pure desire to get the other lynched instead of trying to figure out of they're scum or not.-
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I do agree that you used "vig-like" in an awkward way which threw us off track, and you painted SS as full scum right off the bat (as per what she bolded), BUT I don't find any of this scummy. It's just bickering back and forth at this point and it's giving more information for the scum to use during the night kill. Talk about this on a different day. Everyone is out and claimed. There could be one scum or no scum within the 4 neighbors. I suggest we drop it now and focus.-
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What the hell?Jack wrote:espy wagon is nothing but laziness
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