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hey there, replacement player here, will try and catch up fast, gotta watch my team play football tonight but after that or tomorrow I will be up to speed.
if someone can give me a quick recap of where we are at right now, that would be a big bonus for me
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ok reading back it looks like the bandwagon on the claimed cop is not very good one, now of course he could be lying. on day 1 large games I usually go for the inactives or something that strikes me as odd.
and Kise's posts have seemed like he is just trying to post to not go inactive but not contributing anything worthwhile and trying to stay under the radarProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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while I agree with you on this, cause his pushes were for you, it just seems like an OMGUS accusation. if somebody else pointed it out it may have had more credibilityWraith wrote:hiphop
0: confirm
1: randomvote
2: pushes Wraith bandwagon
3: pushes Wraith bandwagon
4: pushes a bandwagon
5: humor
6: pushes Wraith bandwagon
7: pushes a bandwagon
8:votes dana for wagon reasons
9: attacks Xite for voting dana despite suspecting Furcolow more(hypocrisy, he votes for wagons for the sake of them being wagons)
10:states that he votes for wagons because there are wagons
Hiphop is either blatant scum trying to slip under the radar or really dumb town who won't contribute until Day 2. His single-minded crusade for a bandwagon of some kind is unsettling.
but yeah he needs to be kept an eye on but not sure he is scum, you have to remember scum wants to be under the radar as much as possible, and this isn't flying under the radar imoProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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as much as I hate to admit it, i don't think furccolow is mafia either, but again my radar could be wrong.
he seems too much in the forefront to be mafia, mafia would typically lay low, not make them look to obvious on day 1
I would also expect to see a couple of bus votes and quick unvoting between mafia scum, that is usually the norm where I play
course I have learned playing here, I definitely aint in kansas anymore totoProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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the first part, after reading back some more I may even retract my own statement, frank isn't looking too goodXite91 wrote:
First part, I don't think so, but I could be wrong, so don't criticize meRobbnva wrote:as much as I hate to admit it, i don't think furccolow is mafia either, but again my radar could be wrong.
he seems too much in the forefront to be mafia, mafia would typically lay low, not make them look to obvious on day 1
I would also expect to see a couple of bus votes and quick unvoting between mafia scum, that is usually the norm where I play
course I have learned playing here, I definitely aint in kansas anymore toto
Second, It's TOO GODDAMN EASY
Third, that's the kind of thing we make sure to look at after the flip
Fourth, making sure you have a chance to change your opinions if it calls for it.
What is that, three scum caught at least?
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ok so couple of questionsFurcolow wrote:Robnnva feels like a townie to me, but he hasn't posted like a townie should.
1. You first said I was scummy, why? - cause only thing I have really said is that mafia would probably try and lay low, this tactic is used all the time where I play
2. How should a townie post? Should I follow your stellar example?
3. Those in glass houses should not throw stones OR pot, meet kettle. I think both applies to you
My original post was off my earlier reads, I remembered you calling someone an idiot and no way would mafia be so bold as to be that confrontational like that.
Than reading back, not wanting to beleive the role claim, made me rethink my position
see Mr. Frank, if you are going to accuse somebody of being scummy, you need to back it up with a reason. Just saying so and so is scummy or if so and so is town, he isn't posting like it, just isn't going to fly with me
because if you are actually town, you have failed the rest of us cause quite a few people doubt you right now.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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going back and re-reading, I really can't believe I am reading this, he is REALLY waying out the pros and cons of lynching the cop, assuming that there is another cop around, i'm sorry that is not an assumption I am willing to make.Furcolow wrote:
assuming he's a cop:
1) We get the most information out of his lynch, as it has definitely polarized the town the most
2) as a result of getting the most information, it would be the best wagon to analyze
3) with 24 people, he isn't our only cop imo, and he's probably going to die so no investigation
lynch him, or he dies night 1, what's the difference? would you all rather out more power roles through pressure?
If you all want to out all these "power roles" through wagons, why don't we just fucking claim?
Sorry for the tone, but I'm a little ticked off you all are letting this liar off the hook.
assuming he is not a cop:
1) his team will be down to 4 or 5 members, probably 4 imo. They will be closer to 1 KP (they should have 2-3... 3 would be imba unless town has a lot of O.P. roles)
2) we can lynch people who buddied with him. Not people who he buddied with, though, as scum buddies with town
3) it would pretty much confirm a few people to me, like jdodge, or porochaz.
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the only other acceptable lynch on day 1 if it isn't scum, is lynching a nilla townie.
there is no need to even consider lynching a cop, even if it is a fake claim, the real cop will investigate and provide information later.
vote frank
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If anyone has any doubt about frank, I suggest you go back and read Xite's posts, the way he breaks down mafia scum tells is amazing and if I had not already voted for frank, I would based on those reads
2nd - we almost lynched a "cop" if he was telling the truth, now we have an admitted nilla townie. Tbqh if I had to choose lynch nilla or scumhunt more and risk exposing another pr, I'd say go with frank
also, I'm not buying frank's last post, seems too "poor me"Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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OMG,, this is the post I always wait for.Furcolow wrote:when I'm gone town will lose.
Really? we are going to lose cause we lynch you? how is that exactly?
you claimed a vanilla townie, you serve no purpose but providing your opinions on who scum is, yet you even admit yourself that you need to change your stlyle, and you call Xcite an amateur?
and this town is going to lose without me, is such a lame attempt, I can honestly say I have NEVER used that line, even when I have been scum.
I have been lynched as a backup cop cause nobody believed me and I still never threw out that garbage line.
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because I was always taught that once you out a power role on day 1, you try and get out with as little damage as possible.Xite91 wrote:
how are you sure he's a townie? And if he is, why are you voting for him?Robbnva wrote:my vote is on frank right now, he is by far the safest vote after outing a PR, since he is only a townie with no powers.
Also it is so easy for mafia to claim vanilla townie, that on day one you lynch the nilla townie no question.
this will give us plenty of information to use in the next day phase.
Not sure if any of you guys know who Papa Zito is, but he was one of the ones who taught me this strategy and he is a pretty decent mafia player, so i trust what i know and I trust the people who taught me.
Would I rather nail scum, of course but at what cost? run somebody else up to be lynched and pray he is not the doctor? no thanks.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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seriously, why are we still debating this, we have 2 out cop claims now and a VT who was so close to being lynched, let's lynch frank and move the fuck on. We will learn a ton when he is gone, all we are doing is giving mafia more info about who is what. 2 fucking cop claims(although both really could be lying but they could not)
frank has even been scummy.
notice he quoted the part where David claimed cop, but TOTALLY ignored the part where he has been accused of fake claiming roles in previous games.
Frank is either scum or seriously one of the worst mafia players I have seen, and trust me I have seen bad ones.
there is no need to move off of frank, we will deal with these other people day 2Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Robbnva wrote:seriously, why are we still debating this, we have 2 out cop claims now and a VT who was so close to being lynched, let's lynch frank and move the fuck on. We will learn a ton when he is gone, all we are doing is giving mafia more info about who is what. 2 fucking cop claims(although both really could be lying but they could not)
frank has been acting scummy.
notice he quoted the part where David claimed cop, but TOTALLY ignored the part where David has been accused of fake claiming roles in previous games.
Frank is either scum or seriously one of the worst mafia players I have seen, and trust me I have seen bad ones.
there is no need to move off of frank, we will deal with these other people day 2
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dude the unwritten rule in mafia is when you have a claimed PR on day 1, the next person you lynch if they are not scum and are a VT, you have to lynch themdanakillsu wrote:If I were like some players here, I would be like, "oh, you want to stop talking about it, do yah? Well I'm gonna keep talking about it, 'cause I think maybe Frank v. Me is TvT, and you're the scum here"
That's how frustrating it is when I try to say, "Let's stop talking about this" and people say stuff like the above.
some people on this site operate on the 100% lynch VT claim all the time, I don't believe that but I do believe that with what has gone on today, talking is not helping town.
The people you need to be concerned about right now are the people waffling on frank, those who are "not sure" he is scum
tbh If he turns up town, yeah i will be sad but we can move on and get some investigations.
and just so yo know this is how I REALLY FEEL, regardless if I am mafia or town in this game, and if you don't believe me I would not have posted this
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2473531
so no bullshit, straight up, the right play here is lynch frank.
this is a large game, losing 1 vanilla townie is not going to lose us the game.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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day 1, 2 cops outed, lynching a VT is not a mislynch in my book, it is smart play, get out before you out anymore PRsFurcolow wrote:so you're pushing a mislynch?
scummy.
why don't you people get that?
you want to lynch everyone?
get the RB to claim, the redirector, the watcher, tracker, etc until we finally get scum?
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also I love how I get accused of being scum or whatever cause I want to D1 lynch a VT instead of outing more PRs, when there is a god damn topic already on the subject that started more than a week ago.
clearly this has come up in other games and I am not the only one suggesting it.
ok I am off to bed now, I should have been in bed over an hour ago.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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to many pages to go back, but I know orochi or whatever voted for me and sort of defended frank, he also posted 3 times this entire day phasePorochaz wrote:
When has this happened?Robbnva wrote:also I love how I get accused of being scum or whatever cause I want to D1 lynch a VT instead of outing more PRs, when there is a god damn topic already on the subject that started more than a week ago.
clearly this has come up in other games and I am not the only one suggesting it.
ok I am off to bed now, I should have been in bed over an hour ago.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I beleive we already have a lynch, if he was doc, I think he should be banned from playing on this site <slight sarcasm>Shanba wrote:step 1: point out the breadcrumb to us
step 2: explain the reasoning behind your claim and then claimchange
step 3: stick your head in a gas oven in the name of improving humanity
seriously. Grrr.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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the only thing I see about nham is he kept voting for hip hop, bunny, and wraith and he doesn't vote for frank once, but he wasn't online I think when the frank bandwgaon formed.
I think the first people we need to look at are the people who avoided the frank bandwagon, in my mind it is those people who have a better chance of being mafia.
I know usually when I am mafia I don't want to vote on the town wagon, but I will make sure I vote on a mafia wagon.
now this may seem odd but I actually suspect orochi, even if he did vote for me that isn't why I suspect him
1. he only posts 3 times and 1 is a confirm post
2. he avoids a frank bandwagon, and he tries to throw other names out there to distract people from frank
3. he criticizes another player for lack of posting, but the game has been open for 6 days when he posts only is 3rd post
4. his biggest and most telling tell, he is getting "null" vibes from all the people he just names (me being one of the ones he named) and he is getting "pro town" vibes on 3 or 4people but refuses to name him, why on earth would he not name those people unless those people he is protecting.
right now I got nothing else so
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if I was a cop, and it was any other player, yeah I would probably investigate the person claiming my roleBunnylover wrote:Anyone who was cop would have targeted DavidPaker who claimed he was the cop to in a try to lynch Dana.
We have to believe in Dana claim, which is most likely true since I don't see anyone else countering it.
BUT right before DP claimed it was posted he fake claims often even when he is town, plus later he changed to say he breadcrummed Doc
it is that point that clearly he isn't mafia and he is VI instead
now Dana not realizing that makes him either a stupid cop or not a cop at all. Cause what easier way to keep your cop story alive than to claim you investigated the dead guy.
Now I'm not ready to lynch Dana just yet cause he could just be a stupid cop.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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@wicked, cause I can't quote your WOT on my iPhone
my case for that guy isn't that bad actually, some people when they are mafia lurk and avoid day 1 wagons
just cause somebody posts a little or a lot doesn't really matter, it's the content of their posts and my read, it is scummy. And I have seen mafia do almost the same thing in games before so I'm not going to rule him out as a suspect
now when I get on a pc, I'll have to read up on today's posts, way too much to read on my phoneProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Does cop usually ask before they investigate? I never heard that beforedanakillsu wrote:So, any reason I still haven't received suggestions for tonight's investigation? And I don't want anyone to give just one suggestion, because scum would know who I was going to pick that way.
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Sorry to hear about a break in X, hope all is ok
@mod, can we get a vote count ?
@everyone else, this weekend and week have been crazy, haven't had much CPU time between school and kids sports
I promise I'll get caught up today or tomorrow
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ok reading back and seeing the way Wraith has handled him being voted, this is not how I personally act if I was a townie being wrongly lynched, I can't even imagine any townie would act this way if they were being lynched, I would try to do a better job of convincing people instead of "ALL ABOARD THE MISLYNCH TRAIN" :rolleyes:
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and what exactly about me do you find suspicious? I totally believe my reason for voting wraith is a valid one, more so than some of the other votes on him or on othersXite91 wrote:@Rob - Scratch what I said before, you are, then hip-hopProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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@wicked, in my experience when a bandwagon is formed on a townie, the next day people start looking at who was on that bandwagon, what better way to avoid suspicion than to stay clear of it all together
Mafia wants to do multiple things.
1. Avoid suspicion at all costs
2. Stay active in scum hunting to blend in
3. Not be anywhere near a quick lynch
as for me being suspected as scum, meh - happens every game I have ever played so I'm used to it.
But the fact you have a strong town read on Wraith is quite funny, you are either naieve as hell or just have an off day on your scumdarProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I do suspect him which is why my vote is on him, so now what?Wickedestjr wrote:dana, please give examples where I give you the impression that I'm willing to vote anybody but Wraith.
Robbnva, if you find my town read of Wraith so awkward, then why do you not suspect him at all?Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I will say going back reading wraith's posts, the one post that really seemed odd was wraith telling the doc(whoever that is) to protect dana
1. I don't think ANYONE actually beleived DP
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going back over reading some things and this stood out at me, than I went and looked at some of bunny's other games, and she/he sure does vote alot in the Super Smash Brothers games, and the reasons given for those votes don't match with this statement. And reading some her other posts it seems like she is trying to buddy up to the town a little bitBunnylover wrote: I don't play like everyone else, I don't go THIS PERSON HAS A SLIGHT SUSPICION OF BEEN SCUM SO MY VOTE GO ON HIM."
When I vote, its because I am more then sure that the person I am voting for is mafia, or someone who is harmful for the townie.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say if you flip town, wicked is probably mafia. What better way to earn town cred than to support a townie and say he is not scum.Wraith wrote:I'm not asking you to investigate because you're all probably going to lynch. But if you by chance don't lynch me, then by all means, yes investigate me. I'm just saying that wicked is the only sane townie in the game right now and you shouldn't go after him until you find my alignment. Which is town.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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And you used WIFOM with frank, your point?Wraith wrote:How about I go out on a limb and say CA, Mysterio, and maybe Prozac are scum? You're using WIFOM - bad.
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ok going back and reading ConfidAnon's posts, about 80% of them are focused on pushing a lynch on wraith or trying to bring attention towards wraith being scum. he doesn't really focus on anyone else after his obvious bandwagon vote on dana, he doesn't vote frank cause he doesn't think he is scummy, even after he notices frank changing his claim of what he is.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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1. the first part, your odd idea, was already posted by me, go check post 830 I believe it was. Glad you come up with an original idea after somebody else already said itXite91 wrote:
This totally gave me an odd idea. A Wraith/Dana scumteam. Dana claims cop, DP claims cop, the doc will probably target one of them. Wraith "urged" the doc to protect Dana so that, in case DP was actually a cop, they could hit DP no problem.flinter wrote:Wraith would never have shot DP. His read of DP is so accurate in 635, he is so convinced if there is a cop, that it is dana, that I don't see a scumteam with wraith in it killing DP. Bunny follows wraith. I think I'll leave Bunny on my "Neutral" list.
Just a thought
Okay, so when I come back, I need to make a case on robbie.
2. you will be wasting your time making a case on me, unless you really are scum.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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yeah very weird, the mod posts "how about now?" after the day kill, what the heck does that mean?Benmage wrote:Daykill looks fake unless it happens at the end f the day with the lynch....which seems unlikely .... otherwise flame would've already put it threw.
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@ xite, here is what I said, it is very similar to what you saidRobbnva wrote:I will say going back reading wraith's posts, the one post that really seemed odd was wraith telling the doc(whoever that is) to protect dana
1. I don't think ANYONE actually beleived DP
2. Seemed like a way to ensure the doc was on dana, since DP died it allowed a mafia kill to go through
and feel free to "look into me" I have nothing to hide.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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Agreed, wasting a day kill on day 2 based on a hunch is risky@.@ wrote:Are you serious? It's an extra lynch, basically, and you just wasted it on day 2 on a person that might be town? ::uberfacepalm::
if he flipps town, just going to be bad news for Xite.
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this post by mysterio strikes me as odd.Mysterio wrote:Wraith sounds like a good lynch for today. His play has been everything other than pro-town, so he's most likely to be scum than anyone else at this point.
Vote: Wraith
using phrases like "sounds like a good lynch" amd "most likely to be scum" are slipups I have used in the past when I was mafia, so whenever I see them I am cautious of them
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I am super sorry I misjudged you Xite, I was going through this game thinking you actually knew your shit and how to play, but clearly I was wrong, cause I am not scum this game so you need to just backup and find somebody else to run up the tree.
I have half the mind to return the favor but I don't OMGUS vote, even if the person deserves it, and this case you do deserve it.Proudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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1st you say I am scum when you don't even post anything of value to show I am scum.Xite91 wrote:
Wow, and you say you're not scum? I lol'dRobbnva wrote:I am super sorry I misjudged you Xite, I was going through this game thinking you actually knew your shit and how to play, but clearly I was wrong, cause I am not scum this game so you need to just backup and find somebody else to run up the tree.
I have half the mind to return the favor but I don't OMGUS vote, even if the person deserves it, and this case you do deserve it.
Anyways, I do know my shit and how to play, way to try to discredit me... all because I'm making a case on you you're going to resort to insulting me? Sad.
You aren't OMGUS voting, but there's still OMGUS all over that post.
2nd yeah i am allowed to defend myself, especially against somebody who clearly has a hard time determining who is and isn't scum(you were so sure frank was scum, clearly you were wrong) You are so sure Wraith is scum you use your day kill on him but you don't even know he is scum.
you are playing like a loose cannon and if you are town, you are not doing the rest of us any good. go back and scumhunt some more and find somebody who doesn't have Robb or NVA in their name cause like I said you are barking up the wrong fucking treeProudest mafia moment was the greatest unvote in the history of mafiascum.-
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