New York 115: Wickedestjr's Large Mafia (Game Over)

[DemonHybrid]

Confirm.

[DemonHybrid]

Hi Demon! Get an avatar!

Psssssh

I'm part of the cool kids club, MPR. No avatar and proud of it

Who knows, maybe in a bit...turns out I accidentally messed my username up and the H in Hybrid is supposed to be capitalized anyway...

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: MehPlusRawr

[DemonHybrid]

I managed to pick up an avatar. Cool club status lost.

I would agree that it helps to pick out people within a thread, so I'm not going to be that guy. New avatar. =P

[DemonHybrid]

Eh, RVS bandwagons help the game. BM seems to be taking it in stride haha

[DemonHybrid]

This is dull, lets just lynch someone already lol.

Why are you in such a rush?

In my experience, d1 usually has a mislynch because people are too hasty and want to get it over with quickly. d1 gives zero information to the town aside from role pm's whereas on future days decisions can be made based off of previous lynches, nk's and other night actions.

I think that's it generally quite the scum tell to either want to lynch someone quickly or accelerate any common d1 stage (rvs included) since it should be the longest day.

FoS: mitusiru & sc00t

I agree with your logic 100% up to the point until you think it's a scum tell. Being in a rush to lynch someone by your logic would put them in a townie light, wouldn't it? It's more or less just a waste of time for us D1 because of the lack of reads and the RVS, and maybe he's just impatient to get to the point where we will have tells.

I don't mind taking my time myself, but I wouldn't completely condemn someone just for being impatient.

Since we're mostly out of RVS, I'm lifing my vote.

Unvote

[DemonHybrid]

Votecount 5:

Adrien C - (5) - Battle Mage, Karma, Asaclardy, RichardGHP, Mitsuru Kirijo
Battle Mage - (3) - Moospiker, cwf123, CJMiller
danakillsu - (2) - Adrien C, kunkstar7
EGL - (2) - Sc00t, MehPlusRawr
Moospiker - (1) - q21
silverbullet999 - (1) - Super Smash Bros. Fan
Sucrose - (1) - guy0
Vezokpiraka - (1) – Asaclardy
Sc00t – (1) – danakillsu
Karma - (1) - Sucrose
Mitsuru Kirijo - (1) - Vezokpiraka
Not Voting - (5) - Toon Fighter, caelum, silverbullet999, BlazezRb, EGL

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

I'm not voting.

[DemonHybrid]

Hmm, Dana, what do you look for when you scumhunt? What kind of scumtells do you have your eye on? In the interest of clarity, i'll point out that not being able to create a case on anyone is a scumtell.

I look for:
voting without reasons when the RVS is clearly over

Hold up, RVS ends for different people at different times. They may still not know who the hell to vote for even while everyone else is out of RVS.

[DemonHybrid]

@Demonhybrid - I see you mimicking me. lol

Sorry about that, I completely overlooked your post. Getting used to this forum still, it all kind of blends in.

[DemonHybrid]

You know, I think our gut instinct was right, no matter how band-wagony it was.

Unvote

Vote: Battlemage

Listen to the gut, man. It's sometimes right. We'll just have to see how this plays out.
(How's that for reasoning?)

I don't like this vote, and the FoS right after on Mitsuru.

It feels like you're trying to hard to form your own opinion and look town, followed by an attempt to try to blend in.

Vote: Asaclardy

I'm keeping a close eye on Adrian, the way he defends himself kind of irks me. I've been looking at that AtE post (the one where he says "when I flip town, you know where to look") and it makes me shudder a bit. Not the way you want to respond when you have a few votes on you. I can't say what others haven't already said, so I'll leave this post at that.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon - intriguingly, your vote on Asaclardy appears to follow the same line of thought that you are voting him for. Be a man- join the Mitsu wagon.

BM

Somewhat. My vote is based more on reason than instinct, and my suspicion of Adrian isn't strong enough to be a finger. I think Adrian is Neutral-scummy at the moment.

If you guys want to lynch Mitsuru, that's fine by me. We're bound to lynch someone anyway, but I won't be a part of Mitsuru's death until I see some more info from him/her, not entirely convinced (not quite yet).

Btw: Is Mitsuru a girl or a guy so we know for now on? I don't want to make that a mistake haha

[DemonHybrid]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mitsuru Kirijo

Please explain yourself, I don't like revotes with no explanation, especially ones that completely flip suspicion. You have been voting for BM, now you're voting for his target. Why?

[DemonHybrid]

@BM - Are you a vig?

Don't rolefish.

FoS: Blaze

I'm coming very close to choosing your vote over Asa's.

[DemonHybrid]

So thats rolefishing, my bad, sorry about that, but he admitted it, so w/e.

Not really, he seems like a very jolly sarcastic kind of guy.

Why would he tell everyone that he's a vig this early?

[DemonHybrid]

Let's play a little game within the game. My NK tonight will be one of the next 2 players to post without casting a vote for Mitsuru*. Scout's honour.

So this would be either DemonHybrid or SuperSmash. If neither dies tonight, I will be looking hard at you tomorrow.

Not really, he seems like a very jolly sarcastic kind of guy.

Why would he tell everyone that he's a vig this early?

His playstyle actually screams vig to me, so I'd be slightly surprised if he was lying.

I'll take that chance. I'm not ready to vote for Mitsuru.

[DemonHybrid]

I'll ask again.
What does IoA mean?

@adrien : How is asking blaze what he think rolefishing??

I'm banking on the fact that he's talking about Blaze rather than the questioning of Blaze.

[DemonHybrid]

I think there were a couple of votes against him, but I suppose I wanted a serious vote. I really switched to Adrien, as I said before, to anchor my vote because I was afraid of being voted for not having a vote. I wasn't aware at the time that was scummy behavior.

I suppose lynched moreso, but voted to an extent.

There's no reason to be scared of being lynched if you're town, not to mention voted. At all.

My top suspects are Blaze, Adrien and Asa, but you flipflopping and uneasiness of being voted really says a lot about your alignment.

Vote: Mitsuru

As a pre-emptive, regardless of the flip, I'm most likely going after Asa next. Blaze is a real close 3rd. Asa, I still don't like the fact that you have nothing to say about your vote, but that could mean a townie that just cant make up his mind. Blaze needs to be careful with his rolefishing and defense.

[DemonHybrid]

Nah. I don't think anyone here would hammer without hearing a claim first. Innit?

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Every game that I've been in had someone hammer without hearing a claim...

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

BM

No... just NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

What is the big deal? >_>

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

BM

No... just NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

What is the big deal? >_>

The fact he unvoted when there was no chance tonight (RL) that Misty was gonna be lynched, thats so wierd.

Maybe he needed to sleep and wanted to say more tomorrow before she died.

[DemonHybrid]

Wow, so much posts.

Someone join me I have a good wagon here with cookies.
This is not blazeRB town meta.

1. Cookies??? Are you serious?
2. How would you know what my town Meta is, I've only played one game, and I sound alot like I did last game.

Let's try not to rely on meta, people. Meta analysis can kill town twice as fast.

Also if everyone could list their 4 top scum suspects, very clearly, along with 2 players they feel are most likely to be town?

You could be town or scum depending on:

1. Misty's flip
2. Night Actions

Vezo and Asa seem scummy to me. Dana seems townie to me.

I don't get why everyone sees BM as a vig when all he did was make a sarcastic post about it. He FAR from claimed and I think those of you who are lingering on it are misguided. I doubt Misty's flip would change anything about BM's alignment, as he's coming up with different reasoning now that she claimed VT, which I believe now, by the way. Not a surefire way to read someone.

YAY!!! TIME TO RANT ABOUT VEZO

Wants me lynched. Uses faulty logic.

Yes because its really smart to just open up a new wagon at this point, not to mention bribe with cookies.

The day ends when the time runs out or there's a majority of votes for a person....you have a TON of time before then to make a decision. I don't see why everyone thinks L-2 or L-1 situations are auto-lynches. I see people write "Well it makes no sense to back down from a lynch now..." ...but why? Our goal is to kill scum, not get information off of dead townies. If you have a semi-town read on Misty, I'd leave her alone and go for the surefire scum.

Scum want to end RVS quicker than town. This proves my point a little.

this was my first day 1, didn't like how everyone was being called scum due to their random voting, I'm guessing that is what happens in D1.

Yes...you being paranoid about that is actually verging on scummy behavior. Like I said to Misty, there is NO REASON for anyone to be scared when being called scum unless...you know, they ARE scum and they're on the verge of being lynched.

Wants to make BM care for him. Blending with the town.
Very faulty logic. You say I tunnel vision but switch votes a lot. How's that tunnelvisioning?

1.BM is dead to me if Misty flips town, you understand that right.
2. Those were during RVS, after that, you seem to tunnel me

LOLWUT?

1. Like I said before, how does a Misty town flip surely tell you that BM is scum? He unvoted before she even claimed, for the love of god.
2. There's a difference between tunneling and questioning your behavior one after another. It's starting to seem that, to you, everything is about you by now.

You could have kept that no voting rather than vote no lynch.

Didn't feel like it.

Okay...it's certainly a strange decision and I don't like this answer. The attitude doesn't strike me very kindly. If town is supposed to be staying out of the way while contributing to discussion here or there, why disrupt play and point suspicion to yourself by voting no-lynch?

"Look a townie." "If she gets lynched people will think I unvoted because I felt genuinly bad about her. "

Look what your doing, your trying to redirect attention from her to me, scummy.

I don't agree with this. Mafia's a game of uncertainty. It'd be weird if he did it a ton of times, but this is just once, and peoples' suspicions can change after one post. I think his analysis was pretty dead-on about you, and your replies seem too defensive.

I can't even understand what you want.

I Want to win the game.

Everyone does. You're stating the obvious. Answer specifically, not generally.

Great. Lets slip a vote when nobody's looking. You claim I'll die. YOu're not the vig so this means that you're scum.

I wish I was now that I think about it that way. I would rather lynch you. I never get scum roles, ever.

1. You said before that you only played one game...so how would you know? 2. It seems like a scummy soft defense to say "I never get scum roles, ever" and expect people to believe that that's a valid defense. I don't like it.

Role fishing.

Old news.

And you've done nothing to defend it.

In summary:

Vezo, your crazy to put me into interrigation at the moment, it sounds like your keeping the heat off of misty looking get town to kill town, pretty smart but still, not lynching me today.

This is like a hot bolt of hypocrisy shoved into my brain. It sounds like -you- are keeping the heat off of yourself by deflecting discussion back on Misty, the current wagon.

Defending yourself this rabidly is a scum-tell to me, and I think you've done enough to earn a vote from me. I think Misty is town, however, just new-town; she doesn't seem to be very sure about how to play, and it shows.

Vote: BlazezRb

[DemonHybrid]

I always lurk <_<

FoS: MPR

Then cut it out, dude. That's a terrible defense.

[DemonHybrid]

I have a town read from blaze, too.

@Demon:

Defending yourself this rabidly is a scum-tell to me, and I think you've done enough to earn a vote from me. I think Misty is town, however, just new-town; she doesn't seem to be very sure about how to play, and it shows.

Vote: BlazezRb

Not to play the newb-card for him, but blaze has also shown signs of total newbishness. Why are you giving Mitsu a break, but not blazez?

I like dana's way of thinking.

Mitsu seems scared of being voted, but doesn't seem rabid on trying to defend herself.

Blazez is just posting as if the last thing he wants is to die.

[DemonHybrid]

Sorry for my strange readings of Mitsu. I'm just confused by her, and not sure of what to think of her.

@ Asaclardy: why vote for no-lynch? That was odd. Even with this being your first game, why do you propose a No-Lynch D1?

He would probably say "It's cooler than not voting".

[DemonHybrid]

Yes. I do think I am a better lynch than BM is it comes to noobishnes.

Huh? You're saying we should lynch you rather than someone else? That seems somewhat scummy.

Calling for your own lynch seems townish in my opinion, especially when the person has a few votes on himself already.

Just wondering why you think it's somewhat scummy?

[DemonHybrid]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: BlazezRb

What?!

Have you said a word ALL game?

[DemonHybrid]

*His

I be male =P

[DemonHybrid]

Mafuyu has a couple of thoughts.

1. Mafuyu is leaning scum on Mitsu and Adrian.
2. Mafuyu is of the opinion that Blaze and Asaclardy are not scum, but third-party, particularly Asa. Asa's play doesn't seem helpful to neither scum nor town. Meanwhile, Blaze is probably Survivor or something similar, considering his very defensive posts and floundering attitude. Mafuyu would also lynch Blaze if he tries to make that claim.
3. Mafuyu would not trust BM for more than a few days. Mafuyu would find it admirable for him to keep up the level of analysis he started with, but it seems like BM is just trying to hoard good karma for another plan. If BM lives for more than a few days, Mafuyu would be very confused, especially if BM starts flipping scum members with his lynch wagons. So, Mafuyu would approach judging BM's alignment with caution, as BM is in a very precarious situation no matter what alignment he is. It kind of dampens some of his work in terms of whether or not they were town moves or elsewise.

Holy third person, batman!

[DemonHybrid]

Mafuyu = Jester.

No.

You guys are putting too much thought into weird possibilities like Survivor or Jester. Cut it out.

A lot of people are sniffing at my feet. Let's get that clear. I'll even admit that I have probably played a little suspicious.

And why do people say this?

"I admit that I played scummy/suspicious/I did this. BUT"

That's an INSTANT scum tell right there, and you just shot right up to #2.

[DemonHybrid]

Please keep the Blaze wagon under wraps while im away at AA.

BM

You don't get to dictate these things, you know.

...............................

Well...he's right.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm slipping because I don't want a player chronically lurking and basically giving the town the game?

That was like a red hot laser beam of "THIS GUY IS SCUM" right into my eyeball.

It may just have been simply a writing mistake, but I have full attention on you at the moment.

Scum list:

1. Blaze
2. Mitsuru
3. Asa
4. CJ

Town list:
1. BM (or third party, but I like his attitude so far)
2. Mafuyu. DemonHybrid gets a very good town vibe from Mafuyu's friendliness and ability to think. DemonHybrid approves.

[DemonHybrid]

You're still not contributing, MPR. You say L2BW and alter my post to accuse me of scumslipping in your last two posts? I might be slipping up but I'm attempting to contribute. Yu're just active lurking, and have been from the start. You also ignored my question.

Do you intend to stop lurking?

I think he's far from lurking now. He's a man of many words, but he's definitely contributing.

Big FoS: Mitsuru

You're slipping.

[DemonHybrid]

You're still not contributing, MPR. You say L2BW and alter my post to accuse me of scumslipping in your last two posts? I might be slipping up but I'm attempting to contribute. Yu're just active lurking, and have been from the start. You also ignored my question.

Do you intend to stop lurking?

I think he's far from lurking now. He's a man of many words, but he's definitely contributing.

Big FoS: Mitsuru

You're slipping.

EBWOP: man of few words*

[DemonHybrid]

Active lurking. He's making posts of no use.

I would disagree with that...

He was the one that lead you to make the "give the town the game" slip. That's a pretty big giveaway demeanor-wise. Freudian slips like that happen because that's what you're thinking subconsciously.

[DemonHybrid]

@DemonHybrid: Show me examples of how MehPlusRawr actually contributed to the game. As far as I'm concern, he has barely posted any substances whatsoever. Your attempt to defend MehPlusRawr is noted.

That was a terrible case. L2BW

I highly disagree. You're already high up on my suspect list, so I'd expect at least a decent defense. How does just saying a person has a terrible case going to convince a person to stop persuding it?

Hey. I am in no way defending him, but I think he's contributing more than you guys are giving him credit for.

Just in the last few pages:

That's a huge amount of D1 setup speculation.

A good point.

I'm not advocating a no lynch, I'm saying that your attitude of "oh well, better to lynch unhelpful confirmed town than no lynch!" is bad.

Valid.

Lynching town is worse than no lynching, which is worse than lynching scum.

Kind of a given, but still an attempt made to be active.

He doesn't really talk a lot, and doesn't contribute the MOST out of all of us, but he's certainly not lurking, at least not majorly. Not like CJ is. What CJ is doing is, in my opinion, active lurking. He really hasn't said a word except to vote.

[DemonHybrid]

Though we have been informed that this is CJMiller's meta. I'll be looking at his last game to see if this is the case.

Meta is a red herring. Only his play in this game matters.

[DemonHybrid]

Meta is often helpful. Say, somebody has consistently posted 50-70 times a day as town, and 15-25 times as scum. If he's posting 60 times, he's a lot more likely to be town. </badexamples>

Meta's a consistent null-tell. Many factors go into how much a person posts.

[DemonHybrid]

Eh, it was a bad example, but say that a guy has played 10 games as scum and 30 as town. In all the scum games, three factors were alike, and none of them were in the town games. If all of those 3 factors pop up in one game, you can conclude that he's probably not town and is probably scum.

Ugh.

It DOESN'T matter. It always has been and always will be a null-tell. Anyone can change their posting style during any game anywhere at any time.

[DemonHybrid]

I am only pushing on lynching him because he is the only scummy player I can see. Lurking is the scummiest behavior currently in this game as I have said several times.

And I have a feeling this is desperation.

The only scummy player? I don't believe that one bit, and it's a subconscious way to try to shift everyone's attention to that one person.

Vote: Mitsuru

Blaze is now 2nd on my scum list.

By the way, lurking could mean a lot of things.

[DemonHybrid]

I am only pushing on lynching him because he is the only scummy player I can see. Lurking is the scummiest behavior currently in this game as I have said several times.

And I have a feeling this is desperation.

The only scummy player? I don't believe that one bit, and it's a subconscious way to try to shift everyone's attention to that one person.

Vote: Mitsuru

Blaze is now 2nd on my scum list.

By the way, lurking could mean a lot of things.

Like?

The inability to post.
Town that has a lack of something to say.
Town that wants to stay out of the way.
Scum that doesn't know what to say.
Scum that is letting townies duke it out.
Forgetting the game exists.
Not caring about the game.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, why has blaze moved up your scumlist? Do you really think blaze and mitsu could be scum together?

Blaze was #1. I had a long post about it earlier...I'll find it in a moment.

He just moved down a spot. If Mitsuru flips scum, my suspicion of him will lower significantly. No one in their right mind would bus this early in the game, even with a massive wagon on someone. Not a big post like that.

So no, I don't think they're scum together. They both have done some scummy things however, just in different ways.

I have a big hunch that their feud is scum vs town basically.

[DemonHybrid]

Here you go.

Wow, so much posts.

Someone join me I have a good wagon here with cookies.
This is not blazeRB town meta.

1. Cookies??? Are you serious?
2. How would you know what my town Meta is, I've only played one game, and I sound alot like I did last game.

Let's try not to rely on meta, people. Meta analysis can kill town twice as fast.

Also if everyone could list their 4 top scum suspects, very clearly, along with 2 players they feel are most likely to be town?

You could be town or scum depending on:

1. Misty's flip
2. Night Actions

Vezo and Asa seem scummy to me. Dana seems townie to me.

I don't get why everyone sees BM as a vig when all he did was make a sarcastic post about it. He FAR from claimed and I think those of you who are lingering on it are misguided. I doubt Misty's flip would change anything about BM's alignment, as he's coming up with different reasoning now that she claimed VT, which I believe now, by the way. Not a surefire way to read someone.

YAY!!! TIME TO RANT ABOUT VEZO

Wants me lynched. Uses faulty logic.

Yes because its really smart to just open up a new wagon at this point, not to mention bribe with cookies.

The day ends when the time runs out or there's a majority of votes for a person....you have a TON of time before then to make a decision. I don't see why everyone thinks L-2 or L-1 situations are auto-lynches. I see people write "Well it makes no sense to back down from a lynch now..." ...but why? Our goal is to kill scum, not get information off of dead townies. If you have a semi-town read on Misty, I'd leave her alone and go for the surefire scum.

Scum want to end RVS quicker than town. This proves my point a little.

this was my first day 1, didn't like how everyone was being called scum due to their random voting, I'm guessing that is what happens in D1.

Yes...you being paranoid about that is actually verging on scummy behavior. Like I said to Misty, there is NO REASON for anyone to be scared when being called scum unless...you know, they ARE scum and they're on the verge of being lynched.

Wants to make BM care for him. Blending with the town.
Very faulty logic. You say I tunnel vision but switch votes a lot. How's that tunnelvisioning?

1.BM is dead to me if Misty flips town, you understand that right.
2. Those were during RVS, after that, you seem to tunnel me

LOLWUT?

1. Like I said before, how does a Misty town flip surely tell you that BM is scum? He unvoted before she even claimed, for the love of god.
2. There's a difference between tunneling and questioning your behavior one after another. It's starting to seem that, to you, everything is about you by now.

You could have kept that no voting rather than vote no lynch.

Didn't feel like it.

Okay...it's certainly a strange decision and I don't like this answer. The attitude doesn't strike me very kindly. If town is supposed to be staying out of the way while contributing to discussion here or there, why disrupt play and point suspicion to yourself by voting no-lynch?

"Look a townie." "If she gets lynched people will think I unvoted because I felt genuinly bad about her. "

Look what your doing, your trying to redirect attention from her to me, scummy.

I don't agree with this. Mafia's a game of uncertainty. It'd be weird if he did it a ton of times, but this is just once, and peoples' suspicions can change after one post. I think his analysis was pretty dead-on about you, and your replies seem too defensive.

I can't even understand what you want.

I Want to win the game.

Everyone does. You're stating the obvious. Answer specifically, not generally.

Great. Lets slip a vote when nobody's looking. You claim I'll die. YOu're not the vig so this means that you're scum.

I wish I was now that I think about it that way. I would rather lynch you. I never get scum roles, ever.

1. You said before that you only played one game...so how would you know? 2. It seems like a scummy soft defense to say "I never get scum roles, ever" and expect people to believe that that's a valid defense. I don't like it.

Role fishing.

Old news.

And you've done nothing to defend it.

In summary:

Vezo, your crazy to put me into interrigation at the moment, it sounds like your keeping the heat off of misty looking get town to kill town, pretty smart but still, not lynching me today.

This is like a hot bolt of hypocrisy shoved into my brain. It sounds like -you- are keeping the heat off of yourself by deflecting discussion back on Misty, the current wagon.

Defending yourself this rabidly is a scum-tell to me, and I think you've done enough to earn a vote from me. I think Misty is town, however, just new-town; she doesn't seem to be very sure about how to play, and it shows.

Vote: BlazezRb

Back then, it was still scum vs town (Blaze vs Misty). Same deal, but sides are flipped (meaning Misty looks scum now and Blaze would look town if Misty flipped scum)

Blaze is posting like the last thing he wants is to die. Misty is slipping. Slips are a stronger tell to me than paranoid attitude.

[DemonHybrid]

Explain mixing up words, please?

Also, DemonHybrid, when (yes WHEN, Appeal to Emotion) you'll consider Blaze scum?

You're admitting to an AtE? o.O

[DemonHybrid]

Yep. I've already claimed Vanilla Townie and so I'd rather you lynch me than a power role. However, if you truly believe that one of us is town and the other scum, your vote shouldn't be on me for a mere slip or a mixing up of words, as I should apparently call it.

But it isn't just about the slip. Your voting was wishy-washy. You've expressed fear over getting voted. You admit to an AtE. You slipped talking as scum. Even your VT claim is a safe claim that scum could make. How could we believe otherwise?

[DemonHybrid]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mitsuru Kirijo

I guess that's a no, q21.

[DemonHybrid]

Wow, MPR. What a freak-out. There was no reason for that kind of demeanor with 3 or 4 votes on you.

Unvote: Mitsu
Vote: MPR

[DemonHybrid]

Because of the gross over-reaction,

Unvote. Vote MehPlusRawr.

You're not exactly off scot-free. I'm keeping my eye on Blazez and you, just an a pre-emptive.

[DemonHybrid]

oh god... dp.... oh godd

Hi SB!

Seems I have a lot of reading to do.

Btw, claiming cop.

What the hell, your first post here, and you claim?

[DemonHybrid]

Let's actually try to get a claim before we hammer.

Yeah, like that was going to happen... :\

Twilight.

[DemonHybrid]

Thanks for lynching me! I decided to change my win condition to "get lynched d1" somewhere in the middle of getting lynched for my town meta.

Yeah, I was town.

That's an extremely awful way to play town. Thanks.

[DemonHybrid]

It was funny. I hope I get to be a Jester some day.

Way to be a team player there.

[DemonHybrid]

Wow, BM. Great shot! (I'll just assume that you were the vig that took the shot)

Vote: Blazez

, right off the bat and there's a rolefish.

FoS: Mitsuru

for arguing for the fact that she and EGL had no interaction whatsoever. That's exactly what scum WANTS to do.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Mitsu

Seems like the wagon's picking up steam, so I'll hop on. Good case against her as far as the EGL connection goes, and she was already high on my scumlist. Lets see what the flip has to say. I'm keen on lessening my suspicion on Blazez if she flips scum, as stated before.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, have you noticed that since SSBF has been killed, Asaclardy, who was under fire for the abrupt hammer on MPR, has vanished without posting once since Day 2 began? There are more scummy players in this game than me.

I wonder what happened to the "lynch me: I'm a VT, and I'd rather I get lynched over a PR" talk. Food for thought.

[DemonHybrid]

@Kunk
Hey, iso me and answer my thoughts on you, plz.
@all

DID ANYONE NOTICE THE "RED" BEFORE THE "MAFIA DOCTOR"???

I think it probably overrules the notion of a vig or SK.
On a different note, I think the quick wagon on Mitsu is healthy. I don't believe I've ever seen town quicklynched, and I've seen scum quicklynched many times.

Mafia doctors are usually in place with multiple mafias too, so I'd say there's a 99% chance of another mafia now that you got me thinking about it.

I retract my "BM is a vig" statement.

[DemonHybrid]

Did anyone notice I could have done a quick hammer, but didn't?

What's your point?

IGMEOY: Adrien

[DemonHybrid]

I'm sorry to have voted MPR yesterday and fuel the wagon that resulted in a townie's death. I don't want to make a mistake like that again today.

For the looks of it, we have our favorite suspect from yesterday on the spotlight again, and being scummy again. I would like to see him get lynched, but I know he is at L-2, and this day just started. I want it to last a few more days. Therefore, I wont vote Mitsu right now, but it is as if my vote was on him. I will hammer if necessary.

Looks like you have a pretty nice cushion there. What is it made of, duck feathers or cotton?

I don't like this statement, it shows that you're trying to fit in with the town without having to make a bold decision.

[DemonHybrid]

Asaclardy
DemonHybrid
Adrien C

Not necessarily because they are the MOST scummy, but because i think they are the 3 people we most need to look at in more depth today.

I welcome questions. I need to spice up this game for myself anyway, so bring em on, and I'll do my best to answer.

[DemonHybrid]

As far as Mitsu goes: I think a lot can be said about that fakeout that Vezok did. Vezok seems to be seeing it the complete opposite and sees her as more scum, but her reaction to her "hammer" is consistent to those who are who they say they are. I'm not really ready to change votes -quite- yet, but I'm on the verge, and I think Toon Fighter is the way to go at this point, with Blaze coming in a second; Toon REALLY shot up there with his "I'll do the hammer if need be" vote. It puts a giant cushion underneath him and shows that he requires a backup plan, which doesn't sit well with me.

My scumlist would be as follows:

Toon Fighter
Blaze
Asa
CJMiller is a hunch to me. I don't like his style...busy is one thing, but being -able- to post and not posting a lot is a completely different story.
Adrien's a big suspicion, but not full-blown scum in my eyes yet.

@BM: I have no clue. Point out some things that make me look scummy in your eyes, and I'll answer everything. And I'm not sure that your definition of lurking is the same as mine; I thought I gave a medium amount of activity in the past few days.

Day one:

-Blaze wall
-Mitsu suspicions
-Asa suspicions
-Immediate MPR suspicions, along with everyone else; bad play by town.

Day two:

-Blaze vote from prior suspicions + a new rolefish
-Mitsu vote because of arguments connecting EGL with her; this suspicion has weakened as of late
-Toon Fighter questioning
-Adrien questioning ("Notice I didn't hammer yet?")

I think that's a fair amount of activity. I'd like more of an argument from you, it's surprising that you'd make a statement like that out of the blue by the way you've been playing the whole game.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP:

Unvote

I'll wait for more of a defense from Toon Fighter before I take the leap.

[DemonHybrid]

and I think Toon Fighter is the way to go at this point, with Blaze coming in a second; Toon REALLY shot up there with his "I'll do the hammer if need be"

post

Another EBWOP. Apologies.

[DemonHybrid]

unvote vote: AdrienC

Mostly gut. Will iso him and DemonHybrid.
@Blaze
How do you read me as scum based on meta? Are you saying my play is similar to the one we were just in together where I just flipped scum? (Not that that's ongoing or anything... <.<)
@Kunk
You said everyone should make sure that there was not a no-lynch, then continued to vote for someone who was for sure not going to be lynched D1.
@DemonHybrid
Have you played with TF or Blaze before? They're both kinda-sorta VI's. (A little like me, though not in the same ways)

This is my first mafiascum.net game, so negative.

Being a VI doesn't exclude them from being scum.

[DemonHybrid]

@DemonHybrid
Well, I know it doesn't mean they're not scum, but sometimes they say things they don't really mean. I just want you to take that into account when you say they're scummy.
@all
After isoing DH, I find two interesting facts.
The first is that he WILL NOT stop mentioning Blaze. I think more than half of his posts mention him or quote him. This seems to go beyond a simple scum candidate.
The second is that despite the obvious fact that EGL was a specific group of mafia, indicating more than one group, he called BM a vig, diverting everyone's attention from the possibility of multiple scumgroups.
These facts lead me to believe that he could very well be in the OTHER group of mafia, with Blaze as his scumpal. I actually have a townread on Blaze, but if DH flipped scum, Blaze would have to be next.

I kinda jumped the gun on the vig comment. BM said, before Night came, something along the lines of hoping that he kills someone scummy. When EGL died, his YES YES YES YES YES! post seemed to initially point VERY heavily to a safe assumption that he was a vig. Noting that it was actually a Doctor that was killed, I retracted my vig comment.

I'm not exactly sure if BM's pre-night comment was a joke or not, but it very initially seemed consistent until I actually used my brain. XD

[DemonHybrid]

wait a moment though, don't most of your posts involve not lynching me because you see me as town???

Anyways: If DH did flip scum, then I would be his scumpal? Is that because he uses my name in his posts. Wouldn't that mean he (if he was scum) would be trying to prove me scum then attempt to get me lynched. What if he is town?? What if you are his scum buddy working together to get me lynched?

Ahh.... all these questions

This is why I keep mentioning Blaze. This is a wave of WIFOM.

[DemonHybrid]

@BM: I keep my comp on consistently, and I leave the tab open to this page. I'd rather you comment on the amount of posts over my time spent logged in.

@Mitsu: Yeah, I had a good feeling on that. I had a pretty big post earlier that I could try to find sometime, but that's the general idea.

@q21: If you're talking about real time, I assume you meant the day 2 switch, before I unvoted. I took a good look at this post and completely agreed with it:

This seems more relevant now that we know ELG was scum.

IOAing is Information over Analysis, or using your own info over analyzing other players' posts.

Also, EGL, was that vote a serious one?

I can understand your warning about answering other peoples' questions, but

I was mentioning how I skimmed over my posts BEFORE I got an avatar. And I started this game with one.

Underlined is concern. Italicised is concession.

This the means by which Mitsuru chooses to try and appease EGL. Whether you consider appeasement scummy at this stage in the game, is upto you.

It's also notable that his comment about IoA is, in itself, IoA. The tendency in his early posts, seems to be "piping in" on other people's conversations rather than making himself the focus.

BM makes a good case.

I didn't like it that he was ready to just strike a deal with BM or the bit about not wanting people to vote for him because he doesn't have a vote on anyone. And his lack of conviction there is disturbing.

VOTE: Mitsu

This here is some pretty scum partnering.

[quote="EGL]

Well I'll join the wagon mainly because of this

I didn't want to be voted for not having a vote.

(Pretty sure BM mentioned or took note of this but) Someone taking actions to avoid getting votes? Aren't scum the only ones to be afraid of votes?

VOTE: Mitsuru

Typically yes. But I have seen a newb townie try to join a wagon after the hammer saying it was so people don't vote for him the next day phase.

Anyway, I still don't like it.

Here EGL is pretty clearly defending Mitsu while trying to keep her at arm's length.

Here he found a spot to get off her wagon and point at someone else:

Most town:
2. SSBF seems to be making some good posts.

2. Mitsu because of guy0's apology which leads me to believe she's at the very least not in the scum group.

1. Sc00t because he's mostly disappeared, and since I know him, that means he's bored and probably has a boring role.

I think that's enough evidence to show a connection.

Vote: Mitsu

[/quote]

Now that we know EGL is scum, the connection between them seems just vague enough to allow them to bus each other silently, but still defend each other if need be, and along with her scummy behavior all game, I felt like we really have caught scum back there. It was more of a "Blaze can wait" type post. I voted for him at the beginning of D2 because of his rolefish right off the bat. However, like I said, lately because of the fake hammer, I'm starting to believe Mitsuru is town, just really scummy acting town. She's been digging a hole ever since she started the game and doing common scum mistakes, so I kept changing my opinion of her, however, her fake hammer reaction (since she seems to be newer) seems generally honest. There's just no way that I'm going to vote for someone who looks town, even if their posting habits were scummy.

Still waiting for a defense from Toon Fighter.

[DemonHybrid]

Correct, but this whole game, Mitsuru has been a shaky case for me. Sometimes she'll act town, sometimes she'll act REALLLY scummy. So, as weird as it sounds, she's been up and down my scum list like a roller coaster while Blaze crept up only slightly and slowly. Asa's been on it for nearly the whole game, and at the same place. Adrien slid down a bit, but has been creeping back up as well because of his "See how I didn't hammer her?" post.

Mitsuru just hasn't really been consistently town nor consistently scummy at all this whole game to me. That's all I have to say about that, unless there are more questions.

[DemonHybrid]

@BM: I keep my comp on consistently, and I leave the tab open to this page. I'd rather you comment on the amount of posts over my time spent logged in.

1. You don't decide what i comment on. You're not a B list celebrity and i'm not T4. lol

Your username flickers in and out, which is indicative of you being active within the forum at various times. I assume that means you're watching comments in the thread. Why else would you bother leaving the tab open all the time?

@q21: If you're talking about real time, I assume you meant the day 2 switch, before I unvoted. I took a good look at this post and completely agreed with it:

This seems more relevant now that we know ELG was scum.

IOAing is Information over Analysis, or using your own info over analyzing other players' posts.

Also, EGL, was that vote a serious one?

I can understand your warning about answering other peoples' questions, but

I was mentioning how I skimmed over my posts BEFORE I got an avatar. And I started this game with one.

Underlined is concern. Italicised is concession.

This the means by which Mitsuru chooses to try and appease EGL. Whether you consider appeasement scummy at this stage in the game, is upto you.

It's also notable that his comment about IoA is, in itself, IoA. The tendency in his early posts, seems to be "piping in" on other people's conversations rather than making himself the focus.

BM makes a good case.

I didn't like it that he was ready to just strike a deal with BM or the bit about not wanting people to vote for him because he doesn't have a vote on anyone. And his lack of conviction there is disturbing.

VOTE: Mitsu

This here is some pretty scum partnering.

[quote="EGL]

Well I'll join the wagon mainly because of this

I didn't want to be voted for not having a vote.

(Pretty sure BM mentioned or took note of this but) Someone taking actions to avoid getting votes? Aren't scum the only ones to be afraid of votes?

VOTE: Mitsuru

Typically yes. But I have seen a newb townie try to join a wagon after the hammer saying it was so people don't vote for him the next day phase.

Anyway, I still don't like it.

Here EGL is pretty clearly defending Mitsu while trying to keep her at arm's length.

Here he found a spot to get off her wagon and point at someone else:

Most town:
2. SSBF seems to be making some good posts.

2. Mitsu because of guy0's apology which leads me to believe she's at the very least not in the scum group.

1. Sc00t because he's mostly disappeared, and since I know him, that means he's bored and probably has a boring role.

I think that's enough evidence to show a connection.

Vote: Mitsu

2. That's good. You use the same post i just pointed out as being hugely flawed, in order to support your suspicion on Mitsu. Well now i'm really sold.

Unfortunately you've caught me in a really shit mood tonight. Which is bad news for you.

May get a case down in a sec.

BM[/quote]

1. It's not really that fair of an argument to comment on where I show up on the "online" list. There could be a million reasons why I'm in a certain page, or if I'm not in a certain page, whether I'm online or offline, etc, and you're looking way too hard into that sort of stuff. I'll say this again: What I say in this thread should be the only thing that matters. Meta, ongoing games, activity concerning my online time and where I am, etc. are completely null-tells, and people say that time and time again. How do you expect me to respond to that? Want me to post a giant wall on my daily life, and how I spend my free time?

2. I used a case which I thought was strong in my former suspicion against Mitsu (which I don't have anymore).

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: Just for you, BM, I set my online status as permanently hidden. Something like that should -never- be brought up in a game of Mafia. I have a very strong viewpoint on that.

[DemonHybrid]

1. It's not really that fair of an argument to comment on where I show up on the "online" list.

1. Welcome to Mafiascum. Here, we CAN and WILL use ANY information at our disposal to ascertain who is scum. You aren't the only guilty party here, but you are far and away the biggest culprit. If you can provide me evidence of the same argument being cited against you when you were TOWN, please show me.

There could be a million reasons why I'm in a certain page, or if I'm not in a certain page, whether I'm online or offline, etc, and you're looking way too hard into that sort of stuff.

2. Lol, your response has been very emotive. This leads me further to believe you are scum, as you were pretty laid back until i put pressure on you.
Let's break it down again:

You're viewing the thread constantly all day, but your posting is far from prolific. Why?
You say you leave a tab with this game on. I've checked New York, and you arent in any other games in this forum, therefore you must have the page open on the thread, presumably keeping up with new posts. Occassionally you appear and then disappear, proving that you are reading the thread. So why do you not post?

That, my friend, is lurking. And there could be a million reasons, but there aren't. The reason is, you are lurking. And if you were town, you'd just have admitted it, instead of lying plainly to every single one of us. Shame on you!

I'll say this again: What I say in this thread should be the only thing that matters.

3. Haha, whether or not it SHOULD be, is irrelevant. The fact is, we're allowed to use whatever reasoning we have, to get a read on you. If it makes you feel any better, you aren't going to be lynched just for lurking. However, that was what drew my attention to you. Your posting has been just as scummy, dw.

Meta, ongoing games, activity concerning my online time and where I am, etc. are completely null-tells, and people say that time and time again.

4. It's funny you should mention it, because in my last game on here, i was scum, and was lynched on the final day, because the Mod mistakenly gave us a night phase lasting 1 hour in real time, and only 3 of the remaining players posted, and as a result, i was significantly narrowed down as the culprit of the kill. I lost, but i dont blame the townies for using the information that was given to them. And they were right to do so.

I'm sorry, but they aren't null-tells- meta in particular is a pivotal aspect of the game when used properly.

How do you expect me to respond to that? Want me to post a giant wall on my daily life, and how I spend my free time?

5. What made you think i expect a response? lmao
I love the fact that so many ppl on MS genuinely believe that when a case is made against them, the person making the case WANTS them to try and defend themselves.

There's no response buddy, so i wouldnt bother trying.

BM

1. I've not completed any games. A quick look into my sig could tell you that. And yes, I know that you can use any and all information. But I leave my computer on often. I use Google Chrome and I leave this open as a tab. I work 5 days a week, 7-8 hours a day. Also, with this, I have a life outside of mafia. Sometimes I forget to close out a tab. How can any of this cement the fact that I'm reading the thread constantly but not replying and lurking? I read some stuff in this thread for a bit that isn't addressed to me, I'll accidentally close out a tab, or click another link to check the rest of the site for a moment. None of this has ANYTHING to do with this game, the people in it, or the past events in question. It has nothing to do with who I think is scum, or why I'm not posting, and it's out of my control most of the time. Impatience, coming from you, shows a weakness and some frustration, and I'll keep an eye on you for that, because that's just what it is: impatience, not lurking on my part. It'd be different if I had not posted once, or contributed to only 5% or less of the posts.

2. Like I said: I have Google Chrome and I don't mind the clutter. I have two Scorehero tabs open for my other two Mafia games; I have Facebook open constantly, as well as 4 or 5 Youtube tabs, a Mediafire tab and 3 other forums. My responses get somewhat emotive when your only attack is one on my personal habits instead of the content because it's indefensible and unfair. I check this thread (as well as the other mafia games) probably 10 or 11 times a day (as in, open up the tab and actually look at it), the rest of the time, I forget about it. Within those 10 or 11 times a day, I post half of the time. You aren't here, you can't see my personal habits and it's a terrible way to target someone. If you'd like, I'd be more than happy to post a screenshot of my browser and show you everything I have opened at once.

3. Examples on my scummy posting then, please, and my scummy posting only. And if you go by that logic by picking out the smallest thing and building a case on it, you're going to get a LOT of town lynched and put them at a complete disadvantage. We'll use my death as a lesson to you if you do what you say, start a wagon and decide to follow through with it for such an irrelevant reason.

4. I can't believe how many times I've had to say this: Meta can and always will be a null-tell. It's a terrible strategy to focus on that fully, and I'll just assume that that's all you're doing until you post concrete reasons targeting my post content instead of relying on other factors and trying to make a case on it.

5. Because you posted what you did targeted to me. It's normal assumption to assume that something addressed to someone deserves a response. I'd rather appreciate if you didn't tell me when I can or cannot make a response, because you just got one. =P

Preview edit: Responses to your new posts in another post. Some of this stuff is absolutely absurd...like picking out my avatar post.

[DemonHybrid]

I managed to pick up an avatar. Cool club status lost.

I would agree that it helps to pick out people within a thread, so I'm not going to be that guy. New avatar. =P

1. Demon afraid to be singled out. Wants to stick with the majority.

Eh, RVS bandwagons help the game. BM seems to be taking it in stride haha

2. Assuming i'm town?

If you guys want to lynch Mitsuru, that's fine by me. We're bound to lynch someone anyway, but I won't be a part of Mitsuru's death until I see some more info from him/her, not entirely convinced (not quite yet).

3. Lol, you dont mind us lynching Mitsu, but you dont wanna be seen as part of the wagon? Oh dear oh dear!!

Oh, and if Demon IS scum, Blaze is tomorrow's lynch. They stink of scumbuddies.

I think there were a couple of votes against him, but I suppose I wanted a serious vote. I really switched to Adrien, as I said before, to anchor my vote because I was afraid of being voted for not having a vote. I wasn't aware at the time that was scummy behavior.

I suppose lynched moreso, but voted to an extent.

There's no reason to be scared of being lynched if you're town, not to mention voted. At all.

My top suspects are Blaze, Adrien and Asa, but you flipflopping and uneasiness of being voted really says a lot about your alignment.

Vote: Mitsuru

As a pre-emptive, regardless of the flip, I'm most likely going after Asa next. Blaze is a real close 3rd. Asa, I still don't like the fact that you have nothing to say about your vote, but that could mean a townie that just cant make up his mind. Blaze needs to be careful with his rolefishing and defense.

4. coaching of Blaze. Hmm...

More tomoz when im less tired. 5.

Richard, Adrien, you are MORE than welcome on this wagon!

BM

1. Okay...one: wasn't this post PRE-GAME?! Two: What does my choosing an avatar have ANYTHING to do with ANYTHING? This example is absurd and a half.
2. Yeah. You've been consistently town looking this whole game, and I still think you are...or I did at least, until this upcoming point 5.
3. I don't see how that's hard to understand. Putting it in different words: "I'm not against a Mitsuru lynch, but I want to wait for more evidence before I take the leap to target her for a lynch."
4. Not really coaching, more like "This is why I think he's scummy".
5. Fine, if you complete this wagon, then so be it. But I want everyone to remember this exact sentence after my flip. That's all.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, Richard: You were awfully quiet until people started talking about me. I wonder why. (And I wonder why BM's not targeting you for the same thing).

[DemonHybrid]

Demon 988; what's your point?

It's just something I noted. Why, does it bother you that I did?

[DemonHybrid]

1. It's not really that fair of an argument to comment on where I show up on the "online" list.

1. Welcome to Mafiascum. Here, we CAN and WILL use ANY information at our disposal to ascertain who is scum. You aren't the only guilty party here, but you are far and away the biggest culprit. If you can provide me evidence of the same argument being cited against you when you were TOWN, please show me.

There could be a million reasons why I'm in a certain page, or if I'm not in a certain page, whether I'm online or offline, etc, and you're looking way too hard into that sort of stuff.

2. Lol, your response has been very emotive. This leads me further to believe you are scum, as you were pretty laid back until i put pressure on you.
Let's break it down again:

You're viewing the thread constantly all day, but your posting is far from prolific. Why?
You say you leave a tab with this game on. I've checked New York, and you arent in any other games in this forum, therefore you must have the page open on the thread, presumably keeping up with new posts. Occassionally you appear and then disappear, proving that you are reading the thread. So why do you not post?

That, my friend, is lurking. And there could be a million reasons, but there aren't. The reason is, you are lurking. And if you were town, you'd just have admitted it, instead of lying plainly to every single one of us. Shame on you!

I'll say this again: What I say in this thread should be the only thing that matters.

3. Haha, whether or not it SHOULD be, is irrelevant. The fact is, we're allowed to use whatever reasoning we have, to get a read on you. If it makes you feel any better, you aren't going to be lynched just for lurking. However, that was what drew my attention to you. Your posting has been just as scummy, dw.

Meta, ongoing games, activity concerning my online time and where I am, etc. are completely null-tells, and people say that time and time again.

4. It's funny you should mention it, because in my last game on here, i was scum, and was lynched on the final day, because the Mod mistakenly gave us a night phase lasting 1 hour in real time, and only 3 of the remaining players posted, and as a result, i was significantly narrowed down as the culprit of the kill. I lost, but i dont blame the townies for using the information that was given to them. And they were right to do so.

I'm sorry, but they aren't null-tells- meta in particular is a pivotal aspect of the game when used properly.

How do you expect me to respond to that? Want me to post a giant wall on my daily life, and how I spend my free time?

5. What made you think i expect a response? lmao
I love the fact that so many ppl on MS genuinely believe that when a case is made against them, the person making the case WANTS them to try and defend themselves.

There's no response buddy, so i wouldnt bother trying.

BM

1. I've not completed any games. A quick look into my sig could tell you that. And yes, I know that you can use any and all information. But I leave my computer on often. I use Google Chrome and I leave this open as a tab. I work 5 days a week, 7-8 hours a day. Also, with this, I have a life outside of mafia.

1. I hate that line lol. We all have lives outside of mafia. Get over yourself.

Sometimes I forget to close out a tab. How can any of this cement the fact that I'm reading the thread constantly but not replying and lurking?

I read some stuff in this thread for a bit that isn't addressed to me

, I'll accidentally close out a tab, or click another link to check the rest of the site for a moment.

None of this has ANYTHING to do with this game

,

2. lol. To be clear, my main issue with your response, has been that you arent arguing you HAVENT lurked, rather your tendency is to argue that i am wrong for calling out your lurking.

2. Like I said: I have Google Chrome and I don't mind the clutter. I have two Scorehero tabs open for my other two Mafia games; I have Facebook open constantly, as well as 4 or 5 Youtube tabs, a Mediafire tab and 3 other forums. My responses get somewhat emotive when your only attack is one on my personal habits instead of the content because it's indefensible and unfair.

3. If it is indefensible and unfair, why bother arguing over it? It doesnt matter what you get lynched for- if you die, you die.

3. Examples on my scummy posting then, please, and my scummy posting only. And if you go by that logic by picking out the smallest thing and building a case on it, you're going to get a LOT of town lynched and put them at a complete disadvantage. We'll use my death as a lesson to you if you do what you say, start a wagon and decide to follow through with it for such an irrelevant reason.

4. That's how i roll- you've seen this a couple times in this game already. I made cases on Mitsu and Blaze, and look-they now both feature on my townie list. I tunnel like a fking mole, but i'm not blind.

4. I can't believe how many times I've had to say this: Meta can and always will be a null-tell. It's a terrible strategy to focus on that fully, and I'll just assume that that's all you're doing until you post concrete reasons targeting my post content instead of relying on other factors and trying to make a case on it.

5. I thought this was ur first game on MS?

5. Because you posted what you did targeted to me. It's normal assumption to assume that something addressed to someone deserves a response. I'd rather appreciate if you didn't tell me when I can or cannot make a response, because you just got one. =P

6. I didnt say you couldnt response. I said i didnt need or want one. If it makes you feel happy mate, you can post a hundred rick-rolls!

Preview edit: Responses to your new posts in another post. Some of this stuff is absolutely absurd...like picking out my avatar post.

7. Who do YOU feel should be lynched today?

BM

1. Then stop attacking it. I don't have to be reading the thread if I have my tab open.

2. It's the fact that you think I'm scummy because of it, when it doesn't exist. I'd much rather talk about the content of my posts instead of small cheap little things like meta, my online status and my avatar choice.

3. What I'm saying is that it's a terrible way to play if you're going to go on and target that kind of stuff only, so if I die over that, my post content wasn't regarded (which, of course, could be an entirely different meta from any other games). I still haven't gotten an analysis on my post content. You just answered your own question, by the way: Why bother bringing it up if you know it's indefensible and unfair? What other reaction did you think you were going to get?

4. Alright. Poking around for information is nice, but there's a difference between tunneling legitimately using their post content (like you did with Blaze and Mitsu) and picking on random stuff that someone has no control over, like....ah, damn. I'm beating a dead horse. You get my point.

5. I'm in two other games on another site. I kinda mentally put everything together, so apologies on that.

6. And I'm saying to not get frustrated when you get one. Anything you say can be used or responded to. Even if you don't say anything, I could type a whole essay out to you out of nowhere.

7. I'm leaning towards Toon.

And...is it just me, or did you completely skip over the fact that you commented on my avatar post/the sentence that I bolded?

[DemonHybrid]

Demon 988; what's your point?

It's just something I noted. Why, does it bother you that I did?

No.

Hm. Then why'd you ask what the point was?

@BM: I have a neutral view on Richard. He hasn't really posted a lot, except for recently and at the beginning of the game, unless there were posts in the middle that I looked over. Until he posts more, that's all I have on him.

[DemonHybrid]

1. guy0 agrees with mafuyu that long quotes should be trimmed down.

guy0 has also felt most of DH's posts to be not only lurky (as per the BM argument) but also quite active lurky. After looking at his day one iso, the vast majority of his posts are very little actual text that he wrote, and often large quotes that guy0 & mafuyu don't like. People generally don't like reading long quotes thoroughly, so, although it's really stupid, people often find it more credible when someone makes an argument using really long quotes, which it seems like what DH is doing.

2. guy0 does not see a huge amount of connection between DH and EGL, which may be more evidence towards the two mafia teams, or that he may be a 3rd partay.

3. guy0 does not like DH's AtE and IoA, and would like to put pressure on him in order to see if he exhibits more of this.

4. guy0 did not like how DH jumped on the mitsu and MPR wagon yesterday.

5. guy0 likes BM, and sincerely hopes he's pro-town, because he kicks ass, but would also like to reiterate what mafuyu said on day 1, that if BM isn't dead soon, it may be a bad sign.

6. guy0 is wondering about how many people died last night. If we indeed have 2 mafia teams, a vig and an sk, which is possible, though it is also likely that there be only 3 killing factions, then guy0 wonders why only 2 people died last night.

7. guy0 thinks that perhaps 2 killing factions targeted the same person, though guy0 does not think that EGL and SSBF would be ideal targets for more than one group.

8. guy0 thinks that it is also likely that a doctor protected BM, who was also targeted by one or more killing factions, seeing as he seems to be an obvious nk choice should he not be scum.

9. guy0 would also like to ask BM is he was serious about the potential vig claim d1.

guy0 agrees with adrien that CJmiller's short posts are annoying, but I'd prefer voting DH now.

guy0

1. I'm not really made of time, so I don't really have the patience or ability to sit here and get rid of whatever when I'm responding to something. Sorry about that.

2. No connected at all, if I recall correctly. I don't have connection to a lot of people...in fact, the following people:

Vezok
dana (except for the one time he pointed out that Toon/Blaze are VI's)
kunk
silverbullet
David
Chevre
Sucrose

So can you make the same case with them?

3. It's legitimate frustration when replying to BM, especially when he targets stuff li...oh wait...dead horse beating again.

Once he replies to my post content, the frustration will wane. You don't seem to realize how absurd some of his argument examples are.

4. A lot of other people did too, in much less justifiable ways than I did.

5. With two scum teams, this may not be a sure-fire way to tell if that's a bad sign or not.

6. Wine wine wine wine wine, and lots of it. I hope mine's merlot. If we have two scum teams, why on earth would we have two more killing roles?

7. More wine. The odds of that are slim, so I wouldn't make an argument counting on that if I was in your position.

8. More wine. Again, how stacked is it against town in your mind? 4 possible kills a night? Think of how absurd that sounds, because you're arguing for it.

9. Probably not. A joke that he ran with.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon Hybrid, you left off where he mentioned CJMiller's only voting posts that is pretty much all but three of his posts in this game. You wanna give your thoughts on that?

Yeah: I don't like it.

Let's go back to my scumlist, #937:

My scumlist would be as follows:

Toon Fighter
Blaze
Asa
CJMiller is a hunch to me. I don't like his style...busy is one thing, but being -able- to post and not posting a lot is a completely different story.
Adrien's a big suspicion, but not full-blown scum in my eyes yet.

[DemonHybrid]

Vote: Demonhybrid

1. SH is fail.
2. DH's post wall is stupid.
3. Blazez hate your posts.
4. DH must die because blazez's thinks he scum.

Hey, good contribution there. Thanks for the eye-opening info, buddy.

[DemonHybrid]

Anyway, since this wagon seems to be picking up steam for absolutely no reason, like me having a tab open and even

picking an avatar

, I'll claim before I sleep tonight and wake up dead.

I'm just a

vanilla townie

. I know it's a weak claim, but I'll let my flip do the talking for me and teach BM and everyone a lesson for picking at loose strings and finding weak things to make a case off of, like my login habits, avatar posts and my frustration at these absurd notions as an AtE. Whatever.

Again, I'd like everyone to note a few things:

Blaze's bandwagon post
The sentence that I bolded from BM, along with his confidence in building a wagon
Richard's weird absence from this game until I start to get a wagon on me, and his quiet reply to my mentioning of such

And for now on, I'd be careful letting one person brainwash -everyone- in the town, or something like this will happen again. You guys know who to look at now. As a final scum list, I'm sticking with the same four: Toon, Blaze, CJ, Adrien. I'm now going to add BM and Richard. Also, @Blaze: Scorehero is fine. Keep that crap out of this thread, ok?

Good luck town.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm now going to add BM and Richard. Also, @Blaze: Scorehero is fine. Keep that crap out of this thread, ok?

Good luck town.

Why are you speaking like your hammered?

Before I go to sleep and wake up dead. I'm not going to die and not be able to say something, so I might as well do it now. I have work in the morning.

[DemonHybrid]

I suppose I'm going to vote Toon Fighter at this point for my previously stated suspicions.

Vote: Toon Fighter

I don't really think it matters at this point but I might as well.

[DemonHybrid]

A vig could be possible; indeed, vigilantes fit into the definition of a Normal Game.

A second mafia, in my opinion, does not.

Therefore, I believe that there's either a serial killer or a town vigilante.

Then why the 'Red' label on our one dead scum?
Multiple scum teams are perfectly normal for normal games.

And why a mafia doctor (which is featured in mainly multiple mafia games)?

[DemonHybrid]

We'll get over it. If you flip town, i think we'll have alot more to work with tomorrow. You're a safe lynch.

BM

DH is better I'm town I tell you I AM TOWN

Unvote, Vote: Toon Fighter

Blazez used Flail! It's not very effective...

Blazez hurts himself in his confusion!

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP:

Unvote Toon Fighter, Vote: Blazez

My bad

[DemonHybrid]

DH claimed at L-4... really?

By the way (I just caught this), yes I did.

I had to sleep and then work the next day. I wasn't going to die in my sleep without saying a word. Said that about 3 times now lol

[DemonHybrid]

Votecount 39:

DemonHybrid – (6) – Mafuyu, guy0, danakillsu, BlazezRb, RichardGHP, Vezokpiraka
BlazezRb - (4) - Mitsuru Kirijo, Battle Mage, DavidParker, DemonHybrid
Mitsuru Kirijo - (3) - CJMiller, silverbullet999, q21
Toon Fighter - (1) – Chevre
kunkstar7 – (1) – Karma
CJMiller – (1) – Adrien C
Asaclardy – (1) - Sucrose
Not Voting - (4) - Toon Fighter, Asaclardy, kunkstar7, foilist13

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

1070 can be regarded as a scumslip, btw.

Cause, of course, that's worse than

"LYNCH THE CURRENT WAGON I'M TOWN DON'T PUT ATTENTION ON ME NO FOCUS ON THE GUY WITH THE MOST VOTES I AM TOWN"

Right?

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: I was already voting for Toon Fighter. My mind glitched and I went to Unvote Toon Fighter and Vote Blaze, since everyone needs their hand held through every post that someone makes.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm a doctor, but so be it <_<

What are your action conditions?

[DemonHybrid]

1070 can be regarded as a scumslip, btw.

Cause, of course, that's worse than

"LYNCH THE CURRENT WAGON I'M TOWN DON'T PUT ATTENTION ON ME NO FOCUS ON THE GUY WITH THE MOST VOTES I AM TOWN"

Right?

The difference between what you posted and what Blazez posted is that you actually scumslipped; Blazez made a really horrible post. Two different things.

And I'll rue the day when accidentally misvoting your current vote is considered a scumslip.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm a doctor, but so be it <_<

What are your action conditions?

At night, choose a player, he doesn't die from mafia at night (excluding vigs and the like)

/facepalm

How many times, etc.

[DemonHybrid]

Do I really have to explain why it's a scumslip?

And yeah, please do. I'd like to see you make a legitimate case on voting for my current vote, then editing it to vote for someone else, which was originally meant.

Again, people are picking out the dumbest crap to make a case on, so go right ahead, I need another good laugh, although BM is like a freaking comedian over there.

I got lots of rotten tomatoes for you.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

Wtf are you guys doing??? rofl

I mean, yes Blaze is almost certainly scum. But why lynch him today? He's claimed Doctor, so he isnt going anywhere. He definitely won't make it far in the game.

However, on the off-chance he IS a doctor, he could be useful in the meantime, and scum might NK him, which means we get to keep a lynch for somebody else. Equally, if we were 100% he was scum, might be worth leaving him a night so we can see if we have a Vig in our midst.

I like the idea of leaving Blaze alive today, and him protecting me tonight, so if I die, he will be a proven 100% liar tomoz. Most importantly, as long as he lives, and we direct him, we can ensure 1 persons safety at night. If he is mafia, and we directed him to protect Mafuyu for example, then the mafia could not kill Mafuyu that night or Blaze would be strung up.

Sorry that was a really bad explanation, but like i said, there's no value in lynching Blaze today. However, a target claim would be good and some more clarity on the role mechanic.

In the meantime, i think we can assume Blaze is scum, and hunt for his buddies. Whaddya say?

Vote: Demon

Didnt i say he was Blaze's buddy? thought so.

BM

Funny, you're starting to look like Blazez's scum buddy to me.

Doctor is a safe claim if he's the OTHER mafia's doctor. It goes with his VI playstyle. You defending him like this makes the chance of you being scum much more likely.

How can you not see that it was a terrible defense and a terrible claim?

[DemonHybrid]

It's soft defending. Saying "He's probably scummy but I'm going to vote for someone else" seems to me that you're giving it more time before you vote for him, maybe to try to kill off one more townie in my eyes.

And what do you mean, what do I hope to gain? I'm telling you my thoughts on the subject.

I can't believe that every word out of BM's mouth is instantly believed, by the way. BM isn't being 100% protown, instead, everyone is being 100% sheeple. Experience doesn't equal townliness.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, what is your current read of townliness on BM, on a scale of 1 - 10 (1 being confirmed scum, 10 being virtually clear)? Why?

Probably about a 4. Wishy washy suspicions, picking at loose strings to make an argument and an unwillingness to challenge a claim.

[DemonHybrid]

Is there currently anyone you would rate a 10?

To be honest, probably Mitsu. Remember back to how I think Blaze vs Mitsu is scum vs town. Her fake-out hammer claim + newer mannerisms lead me fully to believe that she is who she says she is. It's all very VT like behavior in my opinion.

There are some people who are around 7's and 8's, but she's probably a 10, if not a 9 to me.

[DemonHybrid]

Is there currently anyone you would rate a 10?

To be honest, probably Mitsu. Remember back to how I think Blaze vs Mitsu is scum vs town. Her fake-out hammer claim + newer mannerisms lead me fully to believe that she is who she says she is. It's all very VT like behavior in my opinion.

There are some people who are around 7's and 8's, but she's probably a 10, if not a 9 to me.

And yes, I know this is a complete 180 from what I've said before, but opinions change and she's done everything to look pro-town as of late in my opinion.

[DemonHybrid]

I'd rate Karma and q21 on about an 8 level.

[DemonHybrid]

No matter how scummy Blaze seems, we have to lynch DH first. As far as I know, DH doesn't always look scummy, Blaze does. If we lynch DH and he's not scum, it mostly clears Blaze. So my vote stays where it is, and I hope that you mindless bandwagoners out there will get back on the DH wagon, because as has already been said, Blaze is not the lynch for today.

This was a blast of logical fallacy to the face.

Why would you want me lynched if I'm not always scummy? Why would a town flip from me clear Blaze? Why is the Blaze wagon mindless, but mine isn't?

I'm legitimately curious and rather stunned.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Q21

BM

....for wanting a votecount? What?

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, what did BM JUST SAY.

...nothing about q21?

What is wrong with you two? o_O

[DemonHybrid]

It's not what is wrong with us, but with you, as if you had payed any attention, you'd know that your allegations (specifically your reaction to BM's vote of q21) are unfounded.

Show me where he said one thing about q21 in the last few pages other than his vote. I either missed something rather hardcore or you don't know what you're talking about.

[DemonHybrid]

Great guys. Let's just lay all the PR's on the table for all the fucking scum to pick at. >_>

I believe the Watcher and Jailkeeper claims. I don't believe the cop claim, therefore.

I ignored EGL's post because it's the right thing to do, and I don't see anything that q21 has said as having an affiliation with him. I don't like BM's absolutely intolerable fixation on targeting stupid things continuously instead of analyzing play.

Vote: BM

. I will be voting him every day until either he and/or I dies.

If someone else gets lynched, try me, BM. Go ahead and give me an investigation.

[DemonHybrid]

Great guys. Let's just lay all the PR's on the table for all the fucking scum to pick at. >_>

I believe the Watcher and Jailkeeper claims. I don't believe the cop claim, therefore.

I ignored EGL's post because it's the right thing to do, and I don't see anything that q21 has said as having an affiliation with him. I don't like BM's absolutely intolerable fixation on targeting stupid things continuously instead of analyzing play.

Vote: BM

. I will be voting him every day until either he and/or I dies.

If someone else gets lynched, try me, BM. Go ahead and give me an investigation.

"Investigation" being in quotes, by the way.

[DemonHybrid]

Votecount 45:

Battle Mage – (6) – Vezokpiraka, Adrien C, q21, DemonHybrid, kunkstar7, CJMiller
DemonHybrid – (3) – danakillsu, BlazezRb, RichardGHP
Vezokpiraka - (2) - Toon Fighter, Mitsuru Kirijo
BlazezRb - (1) - Asaclardy
q21 – (1) – Battle Mage
Toon Fighter - (1) – Chevre
kunkstar7 – (1) – Karma
Asaclardy – (1) - Sucrose
Not Voting – (5) – Mafuyu, foilist13, DavidParker, guy0, silverbullet999

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

Let's hold up... I don't feel like seeing another quick hammer. I'm fine with BM getting lynched and my vote will more than likely be tossed on him. But let's let him say his "last words" so to speak please?

Fair enough. Another brainwash attempt should be the end of it though.

[DemonHybrid]

Mafuyu comes back to find that Mafuyu may or may not be confirmed town? Need to read.

I adore your third person shtick for some reason after this post haha

[DemonHybrid]

Lynch all Liars is a horrible protocol.

BM is NOT the lynch for today. There are other possibilities we wouldn't be taking into account by lynching him.

You'd do

anything

to keep BM from getting killed, wouldn't you?

[DemonHybrid]

silverbullet: No, I think you're perfectly capable of figuring out what those possibilities are.

Demon: What's that supposed to mean?

It means...."you'd do anything to keep BM from getting killed" in question form, as in, asking you for confirmation to whether my statement is false or true.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, I'm going to deny your inference that I would do anything to keep BM alive.

Alright. I'll keep this page in mind. 50 is a nice clean number anyway.

[DemonHybrid]

Look, who here honestly thinks BM is scum still??? I think it will be few. Not to mention, we get very little information from lynching him, since it's just become a policy lynch...

Do you honestly think BM calculated all of this as scum, and think he would get people to react how I'm reacting (which is defending him, and saying we shouldn't lynch him... there will always be masses who want to LaL.. I'm not one, I lie as VT all the time as well haha, SB lamer attacked me for it, but not BM apparently )

With all that said, the possibility he calculated our (or my) response did cross my mind. The thing that makes me believe him is his cop claim. He didn't have any real reason to claim cop as scum, he wasn't under any real pressure yet.. So I'd rather we get a better information lynch today on a player such as DemonHybrid/blaze/asaclardy

A policy lynch is just that....a policy lynch.

He attempted to switch the entire bandwagon 3 times and is now using strange info and unreliable tactics such as using an accidental post by a dead player, login habits, asking for a votecount, asking about avatars, etc. while using his status as a long-time player to sway the vote his way (which he was able to do. Look at all the posts saying that his "deduction skills are up there")

If not a question of whether he's 100% scum or not in my eyes (which he very well may be), it's a question of whether he's a big enough detriment to town that he deserves to die either way. I believe the latter.

[DemonHybrid]

A policy lynch is just that....a policy lynch.

Back to school: Policy lynches only work when the policy is certainly a good one. Lynching liars is a poor policy, because there are many cases where townies lie.

Your bs does tire me. If you're town, i'm putting you on the same pedestal as me in terms of stupid anti-town behaviour.

1. EGL's post was NOT accidental, so do NOT give me that crap. He made the post to interfere with the game. Further, none of us have even had time to look at the post itself, because the game is moving too quickly.

2. Login habits are a perfectly acceptable way to get information. You will note that i wasnt completely sold on Demon-scum as a result, but you cant simply ignore something like that. Note: Chevre was also a major culprit.

3. Shifting bandwagons is not intrinsically anti-town. And it gives us more information to work with.

4. Q21's apparent attempt to distract the Mod from taking action against EGL, was scummy. If you can't get your head around it, maybe you shouldn't just leave the page open at your comp- maybe you should be reading the game?

5. My deduction skills are immense. I just lack confidence.

6. The avatar thing was at the very beginning of the game, and i was messing around. Chillax! lol

If not a question of whether he's 100% scum or not in my eyes (which he very well may be), it's a question of whether he's a big enough detriment to town that he deserves to die either way. I believe the latter.

So really, you're voting me because im rrrrrrruuuubbish? Cheers sir.

BM

1. How do you know? That's all I'm going to say on the matter. It's an empty accusation and you're hurting town by focusing on that one little statement and trying to build a case on it. It shouldn't even exist, and by calling attention on it, it's a HUGE detriment to town where we should be focusing on actual post content instead of...well, that.
2. But it's not a true sign of scumminess. There are literally a million reasons why a person would still be logged in or not. I simply got rid of it by switching a setting in my account settings...if I'm never seen as logged in, is that scummy too? So everyone who has that set is scummy if so? It's a stupid way to get information. Absolute trash.
3. I never said it was...I said that the way you're doing it is anti-town.
4. Again, you have NO CLUE that's the case. It's a huge assumption and it will get more town killed that way if you focus and call attention to a mistake post like EGL's and q21's request for a votecount after. It's a simple -votecount request-. It has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING in this game. Look at how much WIFOM you're using. ALL of the WIFOM that you're using is 100% anti-town.
5. Okay.
6. Joking around in a game of Mafia is the perfect way to get yourself misunderstood. Just saying.

And yes. I want you dead because you're playing badly, scum or not. It caused 3 people to claim already and people are confused. That is STRICTLY anti-town.

[DemonHybrid]

Just a thought... If BM is town, I have a strong feeling DH is scum. Their intense rivalry at this point tells me that they're not on the same team. Unless it's all just a show. Wow. This entire day has been one big WIFOM!

If BM is scum, though, I will have to reconsider...

Missed the point completely.

I want him dead because he is 100% anti-town, scum or not. How is that an indication of Town vs. Scum?

[DemonHybrid]

1. It's all well and good if you want to take something like that to mith, but -do not- use it in this game to make things worse. It's bad form to use information that shouldn't exist in the first place, whether or not it was an accident or not. Maybe he thought this was a completely different game. Maybe he's in like 5 different games and he got momentarily confused. Whatever the case is, take it to PMs and stop using it as "information".
2. ...point completely missed. Basically, how do you know that their computer isn't just sitting there with them being someplace else? I can't believe you don't see my point on this matter. My reaction on you using it as "information" was "wow, this is completely absurd and he really doesn't seem like he knows what he's talking about".
3. What do you mean substantiate it? You twisted my words around. I never said that you shifting bandwagons was anti-town, it was the way I did it. YOU substantiate it by finding something that I said that points to that. Brainwashing and changing wagons, by the way, are two completely different things.
4. No, it's out of left-field and useless to the town. It's anti-town because it takes discussion away from something that COULD be useful to us to focus on something stupid like the 1% chance that q21's votecount request has something to do with EGL posting.

6. Well then, don't be flustered when I take something that you say as seriousness when you include it in a wall post.

Whatever else: Yeah, I really think you could be scum, more specifically the faction that EGL isn't on. And it would probably shorten it if you're town, but at least you aren't here to out power roles and cause the town's demise, and I think I did my job if that's the case.

[DemonHybrid]

EBWOP: point 2: It was the way you did it.

[DemonHybrid]

BM's lynch is inevitable, it seems. So who's gonna step up and lead the town if he's lynched?

There shouldn't be a "leader". That kind of thinking makes it so easy for town to be mislead.

[DemonHybrid]

ok i can not stand by and allow the waters to continue to get murky agian.

to BM when you find another game to sign up for holla at yer boy and i'll join ya.

until then happy trails my friend you are just to damn distracting even though i am all but sure you are town here.

vote Battle mage

Then I guess we'll see what his flip brings.

Cya in a few days.

[DemonHybrid]

Uh, 3 kills. Yeesh.

Glad another mafioso is dead. I'm going to miss Mafuyu's third person though.

What's a neighborizer? Sorry if that's a noob question, but that's something I haven't seen before.

Also: No clue what's up with q21. You shouldve held onto that information until more of the day has gone by, CJ.

[DemonHybrid]

I doubt an SK. First night was two kills: Red and Blue Mafia. I would probably guess that this is a vig.

[DemonHybrid]

Hey, as long as BM isn't here causing confusion and making people claim, I'm all for being lynched. Better me than a PR.

[DemonHybrid]

By the way, I almost forgot. Blaze lived.

Vote: Blaze

[DemonHybrid]

By the way, I almost forgot. Blaze lived.

Vote: Blaze

EBWOP: Remember the conversation we had about "Let's leave the Blaze lynch for another day, and if he really is the doctor, he'll die tonight"?

3 deaths. No Blaze kill. He's Blue's doctor, a VT protecting the doctor (which is what scum knows), or random scum taking a shot at the town PR to stay alive.

[DemonHybrid]

Avoiding prod. Was away yesterday and I work today.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, your fiercely wanting to kill BM yesterday gives me the chills. Especially now that we know he was town. I'm not going to do anything with my claim yet; I want to see how today plays out first.

I don't care that he was town. He outed 3 roles and was causing pure confusion, using his veteran status as a piper flute. I'm glad he's dead, that's what policy lynches are for.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, your fiercely wanting to kill BM yesterday gives me the chills. Especially now that we know he was town. I'm not going to do anything with my claim yet; I want to see how today plays out first.

I don't care that he was town. He outed 3 roles and was causing pure confusion, using his veteran status as a piper flute. I'm glad he's dead, that's what policy lynches are for.

EBWOP: Basically, I'd rather have one dead vanilla townie than an alive, destructive, influential AND wrong one.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, your fiercely wanting to kill BM yesterday gives me the chills. Especially now that we know he was town. I'm not going to do anything with my claim yet; I want to see how today plays out first.

I don't care that he was town. He outed 3 roles and was causing pure confusion, using his veteran status as a piper flute. I'm glad he's dead, that's what policy lynches are for.

Also, I just caught his post about harsh comments. Don't consider this one. Nothing personal, BM, but I don't want you steering town like a bunch of sheep into a wolf den.

[DemonHybrid]

Demon, your fiercely wanting to kill BM yesterday gives me the chills. Especially now that we know he was town. I'm not going to do anything with my claim yet; I want to see how today plays out first.

I don't care that he was town. He outed 3 roles and was causing pure confusion, using his veteran status as a piper flute. I'm glad he's dead, that's what policy lynches are for.

Also, I just caught his post about harsh comments. Don't consider this one. Nothing personal, BM, but I don't want you steering town like a bunch of sheep into a wolf den.

see if someone had done a little meta on BM you could have avoided all this. the best way to deal with BM is call him on his BS. He plays by a simple stragey or really a creedo actually. "Mafia games are chaotic. However they are alot easier when you're the one causing the chaos." Seeing how people react to stress or sudden changes force people to slip and reveal stuff they normal wouldn't. Once you know how he operates you can stonewall and avoid his particular brand of chaos. I hammered cause i knew he was too far gone into his tail spin and no amount of me screaming at the darkness would have pulled him back from the brink. But enough of the BM talk thats all i have to say on the matter.

actual game related stuff to follow soon.

There's a difference between controlled chaos and just swinging in the dark.

[DemonHybrid]

have you played with me or bm before?

if your answer is no then you have not seen choas, take out a note book and pen this will be fun for you

Well, here's my point. How many games has BM won as town doing that, rough estimate?

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote Vote BlazezRb

That works. Demon or Adrien tomorrow, mmk?

You'd listen to someone who you think is scum creating a wagon by joining it in the last few votes?

When Blaze dies, I think you need to go; that is wishy-washy to heights unknown.

[DemonHybrid]

Good luck, town.

[DemonHybrid]

WOW.

I'm just glad it's over.

This game started on Friday, June 18th. 3 months, 8 days ago.

[DemonHybrid]

?

SKs have to kill every night.

[DemonHybrid]

No, they need to. That's what makes an SK a SK.

[DemonHybrid]

From the wiki:

"The Serial Killer is a lone killer without allegiance. The Serial Killer kills once per night, and his goal is to be the sole survivor. Frequently they are not allowed by the Game Moderator to forgo their night kill."

[DemonHybrid]

I know. But usually you randomize the kill in that case, from what I understand of SKs.

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah....

...Toon Fighter.

We put 3 and a half months worth of time into this. When it comes down to LyLo like that after that much time, you NEED to stop and think. Ask questions. Why did every other day last like 2 weeks each but this one lasted an hour?

[DemonHybrid]

Just...make sure, next time you explicitly state that the SK is allowed to forgo his kill.