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Wow, three games in a row with Furc.
This is gonna be crazy with 24 players.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Prozac, JDodge, and Furcolow make excellent cases against UA and dana especially. While I'm not totally sure about UA due to his playstyle, that last OMGUS vote sealed the deal for me against dana. However, I think we should prevent a hammer before we get enough discussion, and I'm putting it out there now that I will unvote to prevent L-1 if it comes too early for my tastes.Vote: danakillsu
Mod, votecount please.
I'll also comment on hiphop's activity during the RVS, which I think was just a random wagon to garner reactions from anyone who jumped aboard. He can't have anything actually against me considering I've never played with him and this is my first post here.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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@dana: I voted for you because:
1. You voted UA because "something's not right with his self-vote" then suddenly backtrack when called out on it by saying "I was reaction fishing." BS excuse.
2. Xite made an excellent WoT pointing out all your AtE. You are flailing and despite believing your death is inevitable are making no attempt to help the town to your dying breath.
3. The OMGUSShow"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Reading further beyond that, I am even more confident in my vote. Dana is flailing, and is lashing out only at his primary accuser, and nitpicking at that. If you're town, prove it by making a meaningful contribution.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Lots of reading to be done, but I want to make a comment before I finish.
FoS: hiphopBlatant wagoning. I at least have reasons for joining the wagon, despite what everyone else thinks. You don't. I'm not letting you slip in under the radar.
Also, I've realized I'm getting tunnel vision. Gonna start concentrating on other players for now, dana has enough pressure and has slipped up enough times.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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WARNING: L-2
I strongly suggest we take a look at the people defending or buddying dana before we lynch. If we do in fact mislynch I'm not confident there's enough material here to find scum Day 2.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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UA first.
1: blank
2: offtopic
3: self-vote RVS (meta: this is his playstyle)
4: comments on self-vote
5: anti-meta comments
6: believes dana could be VI flailing
7: believes scum are lurking
8: asks clarification from JDodge
9: offtopic
10: rebuttal to JDodge
11: rebuttal o JDodge
12: rebuttal to Furcolow
13: rebuttal to Furcolow (with some fair points)
14: attack on JDodge
15: offtopic
16: offtopic
17: comments to Reckoner
18: explanation of playstyle
After doing some actual in-depth reading I fail to see anything particularly scummy about UA. As he's said, his play so far is more for attacking JDodge and his arguments than defending dana. However, his single-minded focus on what is basically a "proxy defense" is not going to work in the long run. You need to start making some real contributions.
I do have a question for UA: What exactly is the "No True Scotsman" argument you refer to?Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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It's a hard bargain, but I think I'll believe the claim, for now.Unvote
Sorry, meant to post more ISOs but got wrapped up in another game, then had a thing last night. Getting on a couple right now. Hiphop and Furcolow.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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hiphop
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1: randomvote
2: pushes Wraith bandwagon
3: pushes Wraith bandwagon
4: pushes a bandwagon
5: humor
6: pushes Wraith bandwagon
7: pushes a bandwagon
8:votes dana for wagon reasons
9: attacks Xite for voting dana despite suspecting Furcolow more(hypocrisy, he votes for wagons for the sake of them being wagons)
10:states that he votes for wagons because there are wagons
Hiphop is either blatant scum trying to slip under the radar or really dumb town who won't contribute until Day 2. His single-minded crusade for a bandwagon of some kind is unsettling.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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EBWOP:FoS: hiphop
Furcolow
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1: hello
2: name
3: player count comments
4: player count comments
5: name
6: offtopic
7: randomvote
8:votes dana for good reasons
9: attacks dana for ad hominem, FoS UA, attacks UA for proxy defending dana
10: attacks UA
11: attacks UA for strawman
12: attacks UA for defending dana
13: attacks UA and dana
14: attacks dana
15: attacks dana for OMGUS
16: suspicious of dana, UA, and Benmage
17: cryptospeak
18: attacks dana
19: attacks dana and UA
20: rebuttal to Prozac
21: comments on suspects
22: face
23: attacks dana for strawman
24: pushes dana or UA wagon
25: attacks dana
26:WoT attacking dana with fair points
27: requests prod for rudeboy
28: defends against Prozac
29: comments on votecount
30: attack on nhammen
31: offtopic
32: attacks nhammen
33: comments on rudeboy replacement
34: offtopic
35: attacks Xite
36: attacks dana
37: attacks Xite
38: doesn't believe cop claim
Furc's been single-mindedly focused on dana and UA pretty much the entire game, and almost all of his posts are attacks on them or restatements of his attacks. However, his cases against dana were far better than dana's cases against him. I want to see how he reacts to the cop claim and bandwagon falling apart.
Also, just because I believe the claim for now doesn'tmean my suspicions are dropped. That was some of the worst play as a cop I've seen.IGMEOY dana
Also, I'd like to know the reason for nhammen's vote on me. To me it seems like a randomvote on page 12.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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His pushes for an early wagon on me were a random wagon. I analyzed him because he's getting a lot of votes now.Robbnva wrote:
while I agree with you on this, cause his pushes were for you, it just seems like an OMGUS accusation. if somebody else pointed it out it may have had more credibilityWraith wrote:hiphop
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1: randomvote
2: pushes Wraith bandwagon
3: pushes Wraith bandwagon
4: pushes a bandwagon
5: humor
6: pushes Wraith bandwagon
7: pushes a bandwagon
8:votes dana for wagon reasons
9: attacks Xite for voting dana despite suspecting Furcolow more(hypocrisy, he votes for wagons for the sake of them being wagons)
10:states that he votes for wagons because there are wagons
Hiphop is either blatant scum trying to slip under the radar or really dumb town who won't contribute until Day 2. His single-minded crusade for a bandwagon of some kind is unsettling.
but yeah he needs to be kept an eye on but not sure he is scum, you have to remember scum wants to be under the radar as much as possible, and this isn't flying under the radar imoShow"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Don't like that vote by dana, makes me believe the cop claim a little less.
Thanks for the explanation, nhammen, but can you refer me to the post you mentioned containing your original suspicions?
Also, if dana is in fact the cop, don't count on him being very useful. A game this large, there's a high chance of scum roleblocker, and an even higher chance that the claimed cop gets roleblocked each night until they find a better target.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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@nhammen: the comment on hiphop's random wagon wasn't meant to be defensive, it was meant to show that I didn't find it scummy or townie, but rather null.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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@Wicked:
1. When I noticed that I added "and the bandwagon falling apart" to the sentence. As you can see, he's continuing to push for the lynch.
2. Just because he's made a claim and I believe it (for now) doesn't mean he isn't lying. Like I said, that was some terrible cop play and a flimsy breadcrumb, but I assume that scum aren't evil masterminds that plant the seeds of future plots early on (like breadcrumbs), I assume that they improvise as they go. If he continues his scummy play, While I believe he is town for now, I'm keeping my eye on him.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Damn it, there is only a 1/24 chance we hit scum today. I think there is a low chance Furcolow is one of them, and a mislynch of Furcolow would give us NOTHING. Everyone has a good reason to suspect him so if he flips town we can't really analyze the wagon as well as a normal mislynch.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Also, there are what, THREE people who haven't posted yet? Anyone up for a pressure wagon on one of them? I have a strong feeling at least one of them is scum.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if the three lurkers were ALL scum, and we were town fighting amongst ourselves?Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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*confusing self with thought*
I need to take a break. I'm obviously doing things too fast (ie my ISOs, which are definitely not as good as some in my previous games).
@Xite: If I was scum with Furcolow, I would not be doing this much defending. I just think he's a bad D1 lynch. Personally I think he should vigkilled during a later night because he draws so much damn fire from everyone. It'll be very easy for the scum to manipulate the town into lynching him. I'm assuming Furcolow is town because he's too easy to lynch. If he was scum he wouldn't attract this much attention to himself. Therefore, I believe at least one or two scum are part of the "lynch Furcolow" mob.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I have to think a bit. If I can get some attacks and defenses going off around me, I might be able to make a good D1 lynch, so you can get some reads when I flip. Stay tuned, I'm gonna do some scumhunting tomorrow when I get home in the evening.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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What I don't want is a Frank lynch, because his flip will give us nothing. However, because I don't want a Frank lynch, people are accusing me of scumbuddying with Frank. Therefore, if someone is going to be the sacrificial lamb, I'm the better lynch.Porochaz wrote:There are already attacks going off around you, whilst I appreciate the effort of actually playing the game, which is actually turning into a novelty...
Wait, are you about to do the lynch me now gambit I've seen you do before? Because it's a really sucky move, it would only be your opinions only and your interactions, and if your town you are distracting us from a scum lynch. Put it this way, if we were rolling a d24 dice, and lynched the corresponding number that would be between 4/5% of catching scum. If you are town and you are looking for us to lynch you, that drops 4/5%.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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What you make of it. Better than Frank. For Frank, you'll get "He was sooooooooooooo scummy," which is true. With me you can at least analyze my wagon for people who gave good reasons (town), people who gave bad reasons (wild), people who gave no reasons (scum), and people who say "he said to vote for him" (scum)Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Ugh, then other people need to stop attacking me for supposed "buddying" before I jump on the grenade, if that's how it actually works.
Don't LYNCH Frank. VIGKILL him. That's pretty much the gist of what I'm trying to say. Frank's scumminess is just as much a distraction as my nexus strategy.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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@Prozac/Xite: Stupid me, I was thinking Lightning Rod only during the day, not Nexus. Anyways, you're right, you're right, I'm being an idiot in desperation.
The problem with Frank is that his normal play is so scummy that it makes him ridiculously hard to read. Personally I think he acts like that for precisely that reason. I can't shake the gut feeling that he's savvier than people give him credit for.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Oh, and Furc, if I'm giving you too much credit, please let me know.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I still say a Frank lynch is stupid. I again advocate the Frank vigkill option.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I wish I could explain exactly why my defense of Furcolow isn't scummy, but this will have to suffice: It's just what I do. He's a waste of a lynch.
I'm somewhat far behind and stressed the hell out. I'll catch up later.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Breadcrumb spotted. It's a null-tell IMO.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Didn't see anyone bring it up so I thought I'd point it out.UltimaAvalon wrote:Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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@UA: THe breadccrumb I spotted was Xite's. I don't know why he's claiming at this point, but it's null-tell IMO. He could be scum trying to set up a future believable claim like Dana did, or he could be genuinely town. Either way, I don't think it should affect anyone's reads on him much.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Okay, catching up some more, I'm losing faith in my defense of Furcolow faster and faster, especially with the scumslip post Wicked pointed out. TBH however, I think it can be safe to believe there's a possibility that there are two scum groups, considering the size of the game, but I suppose the scumminess of that comment comes from the certainty. Also, lynching the claimed cop is STUPID no matter how you look at it. If we're trying to avoid lynching our power roles I think we're better off lynching you, because you've denied my wild speculation that you're a PR playing VI to avoid a nightkill. Even if we don't lynch, he draws a nightkill or at least a roleblock, if there is a scum roleblocker. Better for him to die at night and given a chance than struck down by the town after he's claimed. I'm also doubting myself over Furcolow because of his continued ultra-scummy play, specifically his jumping onto the most popular wagon whenever he sees it. I believe he's on the hiphop wagon now?
I think I was going to say something else but I forgot. Got too caught up in the WIFOM going on in my head about Frank.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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However, I'll add that either way I think me voting Frank will end up as a lose-lose for me. I'll immediately get hit by a wall of bussing accusations, and if he flips scum I'll probably be the Day 2 lynch. If I vote for him and he flips town, I'll still probably get lynched Day 2 for suddenly flip-flopping on my stance and joining his very popular wagon. But whatever, I don't really care, because my lynch would save a PR from being mislynched. I still honestly think lynching Frank is a bad idea in the long run, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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@Xite: Yes, I'm running really slow right now. Considering how fast the posts here pile up and that I'm absent most of the day during the weekdays (I have the day off today, hallelujah) I'm slow to catch up and I've been doing a lot of skimming.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Argh, I hate simulposting. I've addressed that inevitability in my 516, so whatever. Keep hunting me.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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DavidParker - my nemesis from Newbie 965 *shakes fist*
We must policy lynch this scum [/sarcasm]Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I'll clarify/restate why I want to lynch him. My reasons are similar to Wicked's. Bolded are my reasons I agree with. He has only been bandwagoning and parroting practically the whole despite my attempts to defend his naturally scummy play. I feel that if people are using those reasons to wagon him he should be changing his play to a more pro-town style, but he hasn't. The second I have stated many times, although I believed we should vig kill him instead, because of the reason slashed out, which I disagree with. I've already said that I believe his lynch won't provide any info, unless he does in fact flip scum. If he flips town everyone on the wagon can say "I voted for him because he was scummy" which is a true/believable statement considering his play. I don't think we can look at anyone on this wagon aside from myself and analyze whether they were bussing/using craplogic to mislynch Furc.Wickedestjr wrote:I could support a Furcolow lynch. There are several good reasons to lynch him:
*Recently his posting in the last few pages has looked very bad.
*He is an annoying distraction imo.
*His lynch will provide a lot of information.
*He's claimed to be a Vanilla Townie and bandwagoning somebody else to a claim might not be a good idea today.
...However, I am not ready to end the day yet. Also, I think Wraith is town. I don't want to lynch him.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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THe problem is that Xite has been trying, or appears to have been trying. You haven't, you have just been a distraction. TBH I think that when you're gone there will be less one-liners/spam to wade through and less rage against the Furc that is clouding everyone's scumdars.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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How about this: If you flip town, I'll take a chunk of time out to make a study on Xite. If you flip scum, I'll just check to see if Xite might have been bussing.
And it's far too early for one mislynch to destroy the town's hopes, even if you'r a PR (which I suspect you're trying to imply). If you're a PR you've played it terribly and you need to change up your play for future games.
The AtE also doesn't help.
Preview Edit: You have to try to not appear to be scum, an effort from you which has been dismal.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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And also, IMO the scum don't HAVE to try. The more scum post, the more likely they are to slip up. A scum player who tries to manipulate the town takes a huge risk and is confident in his skills to appear townie. A lurker scum or a scum that only posts once in while with little to say is more common IMO.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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@bunnylover: What Xite didn't mention about WIFOM is that it's almost always bad, because it just confuses and convolutes things, and therefore it is often used by scum.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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If really want to prove your innocence, you need to stop doing blatant and stupid OMGUS like this. Almost every time someone new votes for you you change your vote to them.Furcolow wrote:unvote:
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Just got in to see the DP clusterfuck. Either way, that claim was a really, really bad idea. First, on his vote for dana:
-I highly doubt the scum would vote for the claimed cop at this point. There is no wagon, and suspicion instantly falls on them. It's a lose-lose, and it's much easier to just RB or nightkill.
-On DP's claim, I think he is lying, but that is based purely on meta. DP was in my first newbie game, and as a VT he fakeclaimed cop in an attempt to draw the first nightkill. Unfortunately for him, I was a scum roleblocker and blocked him to be safe, and he seriously screwed up the next day by lying twice about his not having a result, which directly caused his lynch. HOWEVER, I will point out that it is entirely possible for a game this size to have two cops.
-Now, even if DP IS a cop and believes dana is lying, the claim at this point was immensely stupid. I guarantee that there is at least one Doctor in this game, and now he/she will be forced to choose between protecting Dana or David. To add insult to injury, one could feasibly be scum fakeclaiming. To put salt in the wound, I am certain that one of these players will be dead come Day 2. A counterclaim would have been MUCH more productive in a much later day, when the number of players is narrowed down, flips have been made to show associations, and when results can coincide with flips to confirm a cop.
While I've said it was very, very stupid, I don't think DP is scum. I think he's a VT again attempting his strategy of drawing a nightkill from a power role.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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To conclude the above: I urge the doctor, whoever he is, to protect dana instead.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Personally I think the mafia (or maybe the SK if there is one?) will kill one of them just to be safe, unless they know the role/alignment of one of them.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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If we start a WIFOM battle between anyone I will drown everyone in it. So no, let's not do it, and move away from the VI to finishing this day.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Not necessarily. There's always the possibility you're trying for a very early bussing gambit. However, Furcolow has a point on one thing: Whatever he flips, dana is still a toss-up; whatever dana flips, Furcolow is more likely to be the opposite alignment.Furcolow wrote:
BULLSHITMysterio wrote:Yeah, singer called that one perfectly. I still think we should lynch Frank, and just let the night actions give us info about these cop claims. Depending on what happens, we can pressure dana or Parker D2.
IT WAS MY CASE ON DANA
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Just because Furcolow has been pushing for the lynch. There's no way to confirm you unless an actual (sane) second cop (if there is one) posts an innocent result, or until you're dead and flip. Your flip gives a much better read on Furcolow than his flip does for you.
However, the fact of the matter is that we're lynching Furcolow, not you, so we'll just have to make do with what we get.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Enough on the subject, we're getting into WIFOM territory.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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This.Robbnva wrote:
u claimed VT and now you want to change it to DRFurcolow wrote:Would it help if I admitted I breadcrumbed doctor?
you call me scummy?Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Furcolow is attacking Robbnva for this reason. I think someone else mentioned it too but I don't remember who/where.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Ouch, that's a hard subject I've heard.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Just want to say I knew DavidParker was lying. At least his gambit worked this time. Lynch me if you will, but if you are I'm not expending any effort to defend myself. I'm tired of getting lynched as town and want to move on.
I haven't liked ConfidAnon's play. So that's where my vote goes.Vote: ConfidAnonShow"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Choo choo, all aboard the wagon to Mislynch Station!Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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@wicked: You probably remembereed wrong, but I don't really care. If you are so sure that I am scum then lynch me. I dare you.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Hmmm. I honestly expected more.Unvote
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IMO at the moment ConfidAnon and Mysterio are wagoning scum. There might be another on the wagon, too. I'll talk some more later.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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I don't like his 228. It's pretty much fence-sitting against dana and Furcolow and tunneling against me. He makes me out as scum based almost entirely on word choice.
I find it funny that I was originally attacked for "bandwagoning dana" (despite clearly explaining several times what my reasons were) but ConfidAnon gets away with voting dana for flimsy reasons in 232. He has outlined that he believed dana was VI in 228, and votes dana "because it's inevitable anyway." That's just a fancy way of saying "Oh look at this nice bandwagon I can slip onto under the radar."
Allow me to repeat that I was attacked my multiple people for "blatant bandwagoning" on dana and "parroting other peoples' cases." Let's look at ConfidAnon's 236:
The above was a response to an FoS by wickedestjr, who seems to be the only one calling out the scum in this game. I clearly stated my reasons, this is CA blatantly stating that he parroting. Yet, no objections from Porochaz or Xite? How "strange"...ConfidAnon wrote:I found danakillsu scummy for the plethora of points mentioned by others. I didn't feel the need to mention them because I didn't want an unneccessarily long post. Walls which repeat thing clutter the thread. Probably should have put a statement like this in the original post, my apologies. Was rushing to get it out tehre.
I'll point out nhammen's 318. Through half that post he made a WoT case against me and agrees with ConfidAnon. Scumteam setting up a mislynch bandwagon.
In CA's 389 he first points out that he doesn't think Furc is scum, yet then outlines Furc's scummy actions, notably the AtE and Furc's constant pressure on a claimed cop. Smells of setting up bandwagon justification. The rest of his post is dedicated to attacking me, and he attacks me based on "fence-sitting." I was committing to my reads at first based on recklessness and lack of reading, but doing the ISOs gave me a better idea of those people. He attacks me for not believing the claim. Until someone is confirmed there is no reason NOT to doubt the claim. Dana's play was terrible before and after the claim and it made me doubt it. It's one of the flimsier claims I've seen in my time here. Lastly, he attacks me based on my opinion of Furcolow's meta. Furcolow is naturally an extremely scummy player and almost always turns out to be VI. So why should I think he's scum if I'm pretty confident he's a VI?
Also, I would like to pose a question to dana I don't has been asked or asnwered yet:Dana, what was your investigation result last night?
To me, CA's 434 is golden. To defend his insistence that I am scum, he goes back and reverses his opinions: AtE is nulltell and insistence is towntell, despite having attacked Furc for those things in 389. Yet, didn't he attack me in 389 for insistence on dana's scumminess despite the claim? Hmmm...
In nhammen's 539 he states total agreement with CA's case against me.
During Day 2 he has stated that my "blatant OMGUS" because I don't like CA's play is for terrible reasons and makes me scum. Let's again mention CA's initial wagon vote on dana for "other people stated my reasons" reasons.
As for my vote on Frank, I stated my reasons, and I stated why that would probably get my lynch. That's what I get for trying to defend the idiot that digs his own grave. CA is just pushing a wagon on an easy target.
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In his third post, Mysterio makes a terrible, seemingly random vote against JDodge for scumhunting.
In his fifth, he puts a vote on the growing dana wagon for "failing to prove Furc is scum." This is just him grabbing at a reason to slip onto the wagon. Someone "failing to make a case against someone" is not worth a vote alone. He also claims that dana's reply was worthless, even though the reply referred him to dana's reasons for voting Furc.
He goes on to make several posts defending his flimsy reason for wagoning.
In his Post 11 he votes Frank for tunneling the claimed cop. Let's keep in mind that CA also stated Frank was scummy for tunneling the claimed cop (and later claimed that such insistence was a towntell) but didn't vote for him. Scum trying to keep their options open.
His later posts on Day 1 are him defending Prozac, who is another player that has been jumping around bandwagons all game.
In his Post 17, first one for Day 2, he immeidately jumps on the closest, most popular wagon, me, for "anti-town actions" that he fails to explain. Let's go back a day and remember that he originally voted dana for "failing to explain" his own reasons for suspecting Furcolow. Contradictions, opportunistic voting. Similar arguments to CA, defending Prozac. In his latest post he states how he suspected me in Post 444, but in that post he fails to state why he finds me suspicious. He has never stated why he finds me suspicious and is wagoning based on the cases of his scumbuddies.
At this point, I think the scumteam is CA/Prozac/Mysterio/nhammen, maybe with a fifth member. We'll see.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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nhammenscum was a surprise to me, but it provides a lot of juicy hints as to who his scumbuddies are (CA and Myterio, maybe Prozac)
In his first WoT he states:
Scumbuddies in agreement. In the same post he starts setting up the mislynch wagon on me by accusing me of "overdefensiveness" for stating my opinion on Hiphop's random wagon. I was in no way defending myself against any accusations my hiphop, I was stating that I believed hiphop's wagon was random. Nhammen was fishing for reasons to mislynch me.nhammen wrote:
Interesting thought Mysterio. I didn't see this, but you could be right. Except, isn't it surety about Town reads that is usually the scumtell? Also, noted for future reference.Myterio wrote:Unvote
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Way too sure of his reads this early in the game when half the players haven't even posted yet.
It's funny, because in this post:
nhammen unvotes dana because he has "plenty of pressure." Yet here:nhammen wrote:Actually, dana has plenty of pressure. He can go without my vote on him for a bit. But those questions still better be answered.
UNVOTE: dana
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Start giving opinions.
CA attacks me for doing the same minus the unvote of dana. Where's the same accusation against nhammen, CA? Oh wait, he's your scum partner, that's why.ConfidAnon wrote:
Mainly gut, but this post I feel is very scummy. Although, the last line further enforces the wraith/dana scumteam idea.Wraith wrote:Lots of reading to be done, but I want to make a comment before I finish.
FoS: hiphop Blatant wagoning. I at least have reasons for joining the wagon, despite what everyone else thinks. You don't. I'm not letting you slip in under the radar.
Also, I've realized I'm getting tunnel vision. Gonna start concentrating on other players for now, dana has enough pressure and has slipped up enough times.
In nhammen's post 5 he states that dana and I are his top two scumreads. The most he had posted against me was a single sentence about how I was "overdefensive" against a randomwagon I knew was random. Obviously stating this to support a future mislynch with CA and Mysterio.
In his Post 7 nhammen attacks me for "blatant wagoning" on dana despite me stating my reasons. He also says:
Let's look at a CA post:nhammen wrote:Your reasons were "oh these other guys made great arguments!" That is also blatant wagoning.
No objection to that, more blatant "these others guys made great points" reasoning, nhammen? Oh wait, that's because CA is your scumbuddy.ConfidAnon wrote:I found danakillsu scummy for the plethora of points mentioned by others. I didn't feel the need to mention them because I didn't want an unneccessarily long post. Walls which repeat thing clutter the thread. Probably should have put a statement like this in the original post, my apologies. Was rushing to get it out tehre.
In the same post nhammen completely agrees with CA's attacks against me.
I'll restate that the most reason he gave for voting me was one point of false "overdefensiveness." He later used CA's reasons as his own, stating that they were why he voted me in the first place. Retroactive casemaking, with the help of a buddy. Blatant scumtell. I didn't notice it then because I wasn't reading a lot.nhammen wrote:
Ummm... when unvoted Bunny and went back to dana, I said that it was between dana and you. I gave my reasons earlier. Not random in the slightest.Wraith wrote:Also, I'd like to know the reason for nhammen's vote on me. To me it seems like a randomvote on page 12.
In his post 10 he restates how he completely agrees with CA's case against me.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Xite is very, very town at the moment, and the only scumpoints I can bring against him are his insistence that I am scum no matter what I do. He insisted I was scum when I defended Frank (who flipped town, mind you), insisted I was scum when I brought up the possibility of lynching myself, and insisted I was scum when I reluctantly voted Frank and told everyone he would probably flip town anyway (and I was right, mind you). Beyond that, the only reason I think the town should suspect him is if he lives to the endgame. A player that townie never lasts unless he is protected.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Basically, I was fed up with him not changing his attitude despite that I was drawing craploads of flak on myself to defend him. I believed he was town solely on meta, but otherwise his play screamed "scum!" Hoewver, I'll admit that I believed he was town to the end, but he's probably the hardest player to read, ever, simply because of how scummy he plays. It was a toss-up on how he would flip, but I guessed correctly in the end.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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Sorry, I remember I did see it but I forgot.danakillsu wrote:Uh... Wraith... how could you miss it? It's been discussed endlessly. I investigated my cop cc, DP, and found he was innocent.Show"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -Helder Camara
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