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Hang tight, I gotta get my role PM.
Expect a post later tonight, I gotta read through 60 pages haha-
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K, I got my role PM. Doing a quick readthrough. Class at 5, thoughts afterwards.-
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Speaking of which, how much time do we have until the day's end? What's the votecount?
Give me a quick up-to-date while I read this....I mean, 60 pages, jesus.-
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I think this is a good place to start; I've read through most of the thread, but I certainly haven't memorized everything, so I'm just going to start asking questions. If I'm missing certain information from the past, please be kind and let me know.Porochaz wrote:I am currently planning to vote wraith at deadline. If someone could summarise the case on Mysterio Id like to hear it.
I'm with wraith on this one; this post is deliberately a 180 from your earlier reads on him. Please explain: How did it change and when did you decide a deadline vote on him was a good idea?
It just seems a bit flip-floppy to just change that without a reason. I find Wraith just as scummy as the next guy (loads of AtE, anti-town attitude, basically giving up when a case is presented against him, etc), but you're not too far off.-
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I'm waiting for Porochaz to answer my question before the last day ended. What's with the 180 read? What do you think of Wraith now?-
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Also, lets start looking at connections with Benmage. From what I've read, he's been moderately lurky, so it shouldn't be too difficult.-
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Excuse me, sir, but there do seems to be a vote on your face. Just thought you should know.UltimaAvalon wrote:Vote: UltimaAvalon
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Vote: Porochaz
That is the connection. Poro flipflops with his Wraith read.
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That doesn't change my vote. Benmage very clearly defended you and the sudden Wraith suspicion might have been opportunity a-knockin.
I DO NOT like Wraith's play this game with the AtE and self voting, but we're not supposed to be voting for anti-townliness, we're supposed to be voting to kill scum.
Is it in Wraith's meta to do stuff like that?-
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There is so much WIFOM in this discussion it's making my head spin. dana's arguments have turned to complete flail. We're talking about lawyers now? Who even starts to think of that role as town? There's not even a fucking wiki entry on it. You can argue the semantics all you want, but lets focus on your play now. Everything that has to do with your cop claim is "Well...it could have been.." this and "Well...it might have been..." that. Flip floppy votes and pure calculated defensive WIFOM points to you being da scummy scummy.
Unvote, Vote: danakillsu. I'm still keeping my eye on Poro; he's in the perfect position to bus right now, plus, obvious defense by benmage is obvious. A look into Xite after this would probably prove helpful too.-
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Sorry, I skimmed through that whole thing.
I don't see how danakillsu's claim a few days ago was OBVIOUSLY fake, especially after DP's flip. I can understand Reck's reasoning with that, but I don't necessarily agree with all of his reads. For example, I find Poro one of the scummiest people here, so don't associate him with Reck as far as reads go. However, I do feel like dana's faking it now that this WIFOM bullcrap has been going on.
So, yeah, you seem to know a lot about dana's role. This in particular stands out:
You seem to know a little too much.When dana flips scum, I'd like him to be lynched.
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EBWOP: "so don't associate him with Reck as far as reads go."
So don't associate me with Reck etc.-
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Yes. It's more of an aside. Just like you have different opinions than JDodge and @.@, I have different opinions than Reck. Common sense in mafia says you listen to the new player while using what the replacee said as a supplement, not base a whole case on what the replacee said.-
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Then so far your case has been about Reck's reads and only Reck's reads, therefore, it's not a supplement.-
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Unvote, Vote: danakillsu
Yeah. Well, Xite, seriously, ISO yourself. Compare the length to War and Peace. Did you expect that I read every word of it?
Preview edit: That's true, Poro, and I never said I wasn't accountable, but to make a whole case on someone who didn't care about the game much in the first place and ignore what I have to say is foolish. Just wanted him to pay attention to my aside.-
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I have better things to do with my time than read every single word of 1600 posts. I skimmed the walls and got the general gist.-
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Gorrad wrote:
Xite's iso: Roughly 3,000 words.DemonHybrid wrote:Yeah. Well, Xite, seriously, ISO yourself. Compare the length to War and Peace. Did you expect that I read every word of it?
War and Peace: Roughly 560,000 words.
I'm helpful : )
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AtE is completely null, and you know that, as an aside.singersigner wrote:I've NEVER IN MY LIFE seen someone so fantastically amazing at mafia resort to AtE. That's something I've only ever seen with n00bs and scum.
A lot of people in this game seems to be giving out AtE like candy.-
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Do you want to point out where I defended Robb?However, I don't advise defending Rob at this point, DH. You're already on people's scumdars.
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Just as a note:
AtE by itself is null. AtE in combination with other scummy behavior points to the AtE being on the scummy side.
I don't like AtE in and of itself, but it's important to know when it is scummy or when it's just used because of frustration. Don't base an entire case on just AtE.
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Haha, Dana's still going at it.
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Wow, you guys are just fucking biting deep into the night kill WIFOM here.
Vote: Bunnyloverfor starting this shit.
Pacman has an eye on him for fucking taking the bait.
Can we focus on who is scummy and who isn't for one day?-
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Let's just sit and focus on who is related to the dead scum already, especially with Dana. The day just started and we're not even looking into his connections at all.-
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How can OMGUS be logical?evilpacman18 wrote:That was... logical OMGUS... >_<
If it's logical and has a point, then it isn't OMGUS, is it?
Boiler plate use #1, and suspicion rising.-
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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15167
Here you go, just in case you needed a logical shovel slapped across your random term-using face.-
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Good to know that you care little enough to not read cases before you throw the term OMGUS around.evilpacman18 wrote:I wasn't even serious. I scrolled down to the bottom of the post and saw "Vote: Gorrad" and lol'd.
After reading it, it was a good case though.
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"That's totally OMGUS."
"Evilpacman, that's fucking dumb. You're just using OMGUS to pin suspicion and gain town points."
"....uh....I was.....totally joking, yeah, totally joking!"
"No you weren't."
"Psh yeah right...just...move on to......xite....cuz....."-
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I protest the fact that people can "joke" (a.k.a test the waters with a certain tactic) and get away with it.-
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There's just so much scumminess from this day it's unbelievable.
Bunnylover, there are 77 pages of content. And you're going to vote Porochaz for lurking and lurking alone?-
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Apply it to his behavior, then. The fact that Kise said that he believes Poro to be the Godfather (or hinting at such) means nothing in this case then; he got an innocent. There may not even be a godfather. You kinda need some evidence to back up this accusation.-
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1st: Do you always back away from an argument when you've been caught? Major flip floppy. Do you find him scummy or not? What's your evidence for doing so? "Just lurking and cuz kise said gf" doesn't mean anything when there are 77 pages of content.
2nd: I'll vote for whoever I damn well please whenever I damn well please, thank you very much.-
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And let me try to explain this as well:
I don't believe that you "pressure voted" him. I believe you hopped on a random made-up case of Poro and held on tight, then backed away when you were caught and called it a pressure vote.
Explaining my votes:
I voted for you because you kicked off major WIFOM stuff that took town off track. I then voted for evilpacman because he did the same thing you just did, but a little MORE reasonable than yours. He tried a tactic, and when he failed, he blamed it on "oh this is what I was really doing". He blamed his on a joke though, while you blamed it on something much more incriminating IMO, like a "pressure vote".
You're forgetting that people LIE in mafia.-
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I...uh...I see a lot of arguing and not a lot of appeasing.
His appeasing (if you're female, BL, sorry) was more sarcasm.-
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It takes town off track.Bunnylover wrote: @Gorrad: Why not?
Hence the WIFOM comment. That's my 2 cents at least.-
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Is there anyone you DON'T find scummy, Xite?-
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But is there anyone you find town at the moment other than yourself? And why?-
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Then why would you say what your town reads are?Xite91 wrote:
Yes and no.DemonHybrid wrote:But is there anyone you find town at the moment other than yourself? And why?
I do feel people are generally town-ish, but I don't have anyone I see that's obvtown at the moment.
If I do I will say something.
I feel town reads are just as important to vocalize as scum reads are.-
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Aye, I'm still alive. Work's been swamping me, I'll post something later on.-
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I have no clue what to do with this Wraith situation.
Are you really that bad at town that you'd give up a defense and vote for yourself, or what? I'm considering changing my policy at giving self-voters extra chances.-
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*considering changing my policy of
Sorry, pre-occupied with a ton of work.-
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I'm changing that.Xite91 wrote:
And again it should be brought to attention the very few votes that you have.Wraith wrote:Lynch Xite tomorrow when I flip town, guys. That is all.
Unvote, Vote: Wraith
I'm getting sick of the AtE and it's getting pretty evident that he's using that as a fallback mechanism instead of manning up and making defenses like a good player.-
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That's stupid. I've long thought about whether wraith is scum since I've replaced in and I'm sick of him relying on AtE as a defense to the point where I think he's scum without an argument. Point went way over your head.flinter wrote:VOTE: demonhybrid
He votes wraith because wraith doesn't man up.
Demonhybrid doesn't even care if wraith is scum.-
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First off, I called your reasoning stupid. The smartest person in the world can say something stupid.flinter wrote:
Calling me stupid isn't a defense. You vote him because you are sick of him relying on AtE.DemonHybrid wrote:
That's stupid. I've long thought about whether wraith is scum since I've replaced in and I'm sick of him relying on AtE as a defense to the point where I think he's scum without an argument. Point went way over your head.flinter wrote:VOTE: demonhybrid
He votes wraith because wraith doesn't man up.
Demonhybrid doesn't even care if wraith is scum.
I vote him because I was on the fence of him being scum and the AtE, when asked for a defense, is over the top and consistent enough to make me believe that he's scum.
I've always been back and forth between whether he's scummy or not, he just wasn't the scummiest (bunnylover and pacman were ahead) until he went back to AtE.You don't actually vote him for being scum. AtE and being scum is unrelated, esspecially with newer players.-
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I don't know that if flinter voting based on that is a particularly scummy action. I can see the town motivation behind viewing that as scummy; I put it down in the wrong words.-
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If Wraith "doesn't scream scum to you" and you have a better list of 3 lynches, why advocate his lynch?-
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Sorry, I've just always been about NOT policy lynching. It's a bullcrap way of making lynch decisions.Xite91 wrote:
because town would do better with him out of the way and because I have been prety backwards on my reads with this game, if you haven't noticed...DemonHybrid wrote:If Wraith "doesn't scream scum to you" and you have a better list of 3 lynches, why advocate his lynch?-
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Because people think he's scum.
If you want to advocate his lynch, then do so and advocate him for being scum, not "town but distracting". You're still lynching a townie.
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Here's my three:
As of the last few posts, Xite is scummiest, followed by Wraith and Bunnylover.
Xite for pushing a lynch while 1. not voting and 2. thinking the wagoned player is town but still advocating for a lynch, policy or not.
Wraith for AtE, earlier wishy-washy actions, inability to make a case when pressured.
Bunnylover for wishy-washy unvote and backpedaling.-
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Except I've never voted you.flinter wrote:
<---- I know it is small, but it really is there.Shanba wrote:Flinter: I could go back and pick out a whole bunch of semantical things gorrad said, I could spew a whole bunch of theory as to why I completely disagree witha lot of the stuff he pushed, but basically my case boils down to a) I don't think he's scumhunted honestly/hard enough and b)he seems to be looking for entirely the wrong things, leading to him being on a lot of terrible wagons. If that's not enough to convince people, adding a bunch of fluff won't help (or at least it ought not to.) Regardless, I'm coming around to the idea that he and I have different philosophies on what is scummy.
It's not that we disagree on the basics of the game, I think. I often find myself agreeing with your cases. Practically this entire post I agreed with, and it really made me doubt my Xite-vote.
Both you and Xite have mentioned that I have been on a lot of wagons, but I really doubt that since I haven't been posting a lot. I know that isn't how it should be, but I'm not going to get replaced when I can reasonably keep up with the game.
I've voted for Xite, demonhybrid, mysterio, singer, bunnylover and Dana.
I'm going to think about my Xite vote. Xite, why were you convinced that dana would claim a guilty on one of his scumpartners? Dana can hardly have been the scums most valuable member.
I really don't like how Demon went from voting me to voting Xite within a few posts.-
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That's two mis-reps in a row, flinter. Want to keep it up?-
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I never "agreed" with Xite. And Xite never voted Wraith today, from what I recollect.
#3 and #4.-
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For the record, it's probably a good idea to get your facts straight before you accuse people or try to post reasoning/opinions.-
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flinter wrote: Just to confirm, do you understand why I might be alarmed by your vote (considering that I didn't make the last few mistakes in the posts on purpose)?
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Nope.-
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The point is way over your head.
First off, let us assume that all scum can do whatever they can and want. Because they can do whatever they can and want.
Second, let us assume that Wraith is scummy. I vote Wraith. However, Xite does not vote Wraith, advocates for his lynch and also says "He's town, but he's distracting."
I vote for Xite with a second option of Wraith. Xite is scummy because he finds town expendable and doesn't care about the alignment of Wraith as long as he dies. Wraith is a second option because he's straight up scummy in his demeanor and wishy-washyness.
Xite's advocating of Wraith with no vote could mean Xite scum pushing for Wraith scum's lynch to gain town points but not vote for Wraith himself. Xite scum could be pinning suspicion on Wraith town. Xite town has no legit motivation for doing such, so the other two arguments are just moot.-
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I get what you're saying now. Doesn't make it any less wrong.
By your logic, everyone voting for who I'm voting for is agreeing with me. Everyone voting for who I vote for means I agree with them.
You can vote for the same person and disagree with that person on many levels:
1. Reasons for voting
2. Level of scumminess
3. Motivations
The list goes on and on. And you're still misrepping things.-
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Did you miss the post where I said I can see the town motivation for finding what I did scummy?
I picked Xite cause he doesn't care if we lynch town. I find all players that play by the "policy lynch" standard bullshit and lynch worthy; they just don't care who lives and dies from an alignment perspective. That is leagues scummier than Wraith has been.
Again, I should point you to the "scum can do whatever they want" reasoning that I've stated. Xite and I didn't agree with each other. Xite simply stated that Wraith is worrying too much about too little votes. I said I was changing the amount of votes on Wraith cause he's scummy. He then says Wraith is a good lynch even though he's probably town; he's just a liability, so policy lynch. I find that scummy, so I vote Xite.
So please point out where Xite and I agreed with each other.-
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To make it even more specific, Xite's advocation for Wraith's lynch is different than my vote because I don't find Wraith town, and he does, but doesn't mind a Wraith lynch.-
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