Mafia 126 - Lovers Mafia! [Game Over]

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Espeonage - 7 (Mariyta, Nero Cain, Kise, Dram, Ashblade, Llamarble, Tragedy)

Tragedy - 2 (Espeonage, GreyICE)
Kise - 1 (Purple Orange)

Not Voting - 6 (xRECKONERx, EmpTyger, PrayPiotr, Hiraki, werewolf555, antihero)

9 to lynch.

So out of those seven:

My lover is obviously town. Dram is town. Which leaves:
Kise (not voting for him).
Mariyta/Tragedy
Llamarble/Ashblade (right? didn't Ashblade replace DBE?)

If Esp isn't scum, then there is almost certainly scum in Maritya/Tragedy or Llamarble/Ash.
If Esp

is

scum, then his scumlovers would have to be somewhere in (GreyIce/Antihero; EmpTyger/Hiraki).

The only other option is that Esp isn't scum, and Kise is actually scum, and his lover just isn't here to help him push the wagon through.

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If we lynch Mariyta/Tragedy first and get a scumflip, then Espeonage and PO are confirmed town IMO which helps us narrow it down quite a lot. If I were able to add Esp/PO to the townlist, then that would mean:

me/Nero
Dram/replacement
Espeonage/PO

Are all pretty much conftown (at least in my eyes), which would narrow down the lynch pool to: GreyICE/Antihero, Llamarble/Ashblade, Kise/PrayPiotr, EmpTyger/Thingyman.

Though, like I said, I consider Kise fairly townish, so in reality I'd only be looking at lynching one of the other three pairs.

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Kise's partner is mia so that adds kise to the list. I know you think kise is town but just saying.

I do believe the town pool should be extended to have Grey/Anti and Emp/Thingy(replacement) as a subset in the probably town pool. That leaves Llama/Ash and Kise/PP as the next lynches. If somehow they are both town then we can move to the other two.

I'm just prioritising lynches here seeing as we're discussing this.

Um, no way am I putting Emp/lover in that mix.

I can't tell if that that is a soft bus on kise/pp or trying to take partner's llama/ash out of the mix.

read: IN THE EVENT THEY FLIP TOWN

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I'd rather lynch Tragedy over Kise.

Vote: Tragedy

I'll park my vote here for now. Not voting for Kise today, and tbqh, PO's towniness weighs out Esp's lack of towniness.

Though the pain that the Esp wagon is having in actually getting pushed through is worrisome, as either that means Esp is scum and his scumbuddies are trying to stop the lynch, or he's town and scum is already on the wagon.

Reckoner... you giant hypocrite. You just FOSed me for this and then did the same thing

We ain't scum, and your read on Kise is dead wrong.

Well, now that I actually paid attention, this fucking game is meandering and something has to be done. Plus, we can glean information based on wagon analysis, which is honestly going to be our best tool right now.

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I seriously don't want this lynch to happen.

Kise seems town to me.

PO saying that he essentially didn't find Kise that scummy but he "had a wobble" and is now voting him sounds really fucking fishy.

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^ Relevant question.

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Also, I'm gonna be really V/LA for the next few days (as will Kise, and dramonic) because we're all hanging out together from Friday till Monday and we don't want to cause any potential problems with us "cheating" (as this accusation has been thrown at us before).

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You know that I also supported that idea, right?

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I seriously don't want this lynch to happen.

Kise seems town to me.

^^^^^^^

Do you or anyone else for that matter feel the back and forth between PO/Esp could be distancing?

I don't know how you'd prove that.
Kise's attacks on PO/Esp have no reason to not be taken as genuine at this point.

Why are you trying to scumhunt your own lover?
-_-

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This is... him... as town? *twitch, twitch*

When we play mafia, we usually try to point out WHY posts are scummy instead of saying things like this.

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Kise, do you think an Ashblade wagon is realistic today?

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Kise, let me ask you something: what motivation would GreyICE have for

not

going along with the quicklynch plan if he's scum?

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If Esp is scum, Kise is not.

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So if Ash is scum, then which of {me/Nero, dram/Xalxe} is more likely to be the other scumteam.

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If Ash is scum, Esp, Kise, Trag, Emp and our lovers are not [likely] scum.

You mean if we lynch PO and she flips scum, and then somehow get through PZ/Tragedy, Hiraki/EmpTyger, and Llamarble, and we're down to Me&Anti, Kise, you, and Dram? Fuck man, at that point I'd hammer myself and leave the fun of THAT LyLo up to you.

wat

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Both are town.

You are bad at this.

THESE
AREN'T
REASONS

FUCKING CHRIST

UNVOTE; VOTE: GREYICE

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You know, it's already bad enough that you're protecting werewolves, but if you get us lynched, I'm going to be a little pissed this time.

Uhhh what werewolves am I protecting?

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Lover List

EmpTyger - Hiraki
GreyICE - Antihero

Llamarble

- Ashblade

PrayPiotr

- Kise
xRECKONERx - Nero Cain
Papa Zito - Tragedy
PurpleOrange - Espeonage
Xalxe - Dramonic

WE STILL NEED REPLACEMENTS FOR THE COLORED NAMES, MOD.

I need to look at this list a bit more. Xalxe needs to catch the fuck up. It boggles my mind that 25% of this list is scum.

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I know AtE is supposed be null/scummy, but it makes me think GreyICE is town here. Why would he flip out this hard, as scum, not at LyLo?

Whatever. We have plenty of time to figure this shit out. I'm tired of the screaming matches, and we need a flip here to figure shit out.

UNVOTE

I will hammer whoever of Espeonage/Kise gets to L-1 first.

PREDIT: KISE THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY

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TBQH I haven't read your case on Ashblade in its entirety.

And we're about to go to a bar.. sooo... not gonna do it right now.

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Hi. Might take me a little to get caught up in this monster.

Who was the idiot that suggested lover claim which is the worst thing you can do in this setup?

Do not, I repeat, do not bring that up again.

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Kise is voting himself?

Wat?

Fixed, thanks.

-Sens

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Where did that come from? You’ve been insisting Kise is town all game. (With one notable exception, of course.)

I've been insisting he's town due to the blowup at the start of the game. It skewed my read on him. Removing myself from the AIM situation on D1, I looked back and realized "Hey, he hasn't done anything scummy, really!" which makes him town in my book. However, I'm probably the person in this game the least likely to get an accurate read on Kise due to my bias. I don't personally see why he's scum, but then again, I'm not really feeling any of the cases at this stage are incredibly solid. A lynch on either Esp or Kise would provide us with ample information.

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Mod, Kise still has two different wagons on him.

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Reck if I'm lynched and you see I'm town, where would YOU go from there?

Esp or GreyICE.

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So Esp is town now?

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Yes.... do you plan to read my posts?

Eventually.

PS U SITTIN BESIDES ME BRAH

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Anyone else see dram completely ignoring the fact that Tragedy can be wolf here? He brings up the scenario where Tragedy is town, and the scenario where Tragedy is mafia. The possibility of Tragedy-wolf is myseteriously missing though. Note that he has got past the "slip" of tragedy at this point so that is discounted.

lol this

You dont go lynching null reads to get the game moving.

Actually, you do. Dram wasn't the only one who wanted to lynch vezok just to "get the game moving".

Today we see dram trying to line up a PO/Esp and then Tragedy/Mary lynch very early on in a no so consipicous manner, saying that neither group can live to the endgame. Since then... nothing. Dram has never presented a case on people, and spent most of his time buddying up to people and setting up lynches, just exploiting the town read that Reck has jammed town everyones throats for him.

YES, AND KISE DID THE SAME FUCKING THING, AND SO HAS EVERYONE ELSE
You can't just call out ONE FUCKING PERSON for being scummy on one thing when LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT LINING UP LYNCHES.

Seriously, someone point me to a strong case dram has made this game.

Seriously, someone point to a part of Llama's case that isn't just pomp and circumstance.

There is none. However there are plenty of attempts to set up lynches (he already got the vezok one, and is moved on to Esp/PO). There also is the quote that looks like a wolf slip to me.

First off, it's there ARE none.
Second off, the lynch thing... Jesus, just look above at what I said.
Third off, that quote IS NOT A WOLF SLIP BECAUSE EVERYONE REFERS TO BAD GUYS AS 'SCUM' OR 'MAFIA'. Welcome to the land of I READ TOO FUCKING MUCH INTO SHIT, population LLAMAFLUFF.

Wrath of reck in 3... 2... 1...

See, then you throw this in at the very end as if it's going to make my rebuttal to your bullshit any less effective. I know you tried to make me look like "Oh, he's just delusional and following dram to the ground" but if dram is town this game

I will literally fly to wherever you are and suck your balls

.


Now, what I see here is that Llama comes screeching in out of left field and tries to start a completely new case on dramonic when he has zero votes so far. The town motivation for doing that is... well, he's retarded, because his case is shit. However, because his case is shit, I'm forced to look at what the potential scum motivation here is... and, honestly, it's looking more likely. Scum would want to do this if one of their partners were almost at a lynch. I literally cannot consider any other scum motivation.

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No you werent, you specifically said "If Tragedy was mafia". You never use mafia as a general term throughout the entire game. Every time its mentioned it refers to a specific faction. When you are using a term to cover all anti-town, you use the word "scum". Unless you are attempting to argue that the one time in the entire game you deviate from previous usage of a word occured in the one post where a scumslip is entirely possible, you didnt bring up her being wolf. I dont buy that the one time in 32 posts that you decide to change use of a word happened, and that more likely you ignored her being wolf because you are wolf with non-tragedy.

streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch

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THERE ARE TWO LLAMAS NOW

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JESUS FUCKING CHRIST LLAMA

"OH NO HE DIDN'T SAY MAFIA AT ALL EARLIER IN THE GAME"

OH FUCKING NO HE'S OBVIOUSLY SLIPPING AT THAT
PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
OH WAIT YOU PROBABLY FUCKING CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM

VOTE: LLAMAFLUFF

YOU ARE SERIOUSLY PUSHING A TERRIBLY WEAK CASE ON A LURKER/NONCONTRIBUTOR

TUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNELTUNNEL

FUCKING DIE SCUM

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NOT TO MENTION you're wanting to lynch dramonic BEFORE HIS LOVER EVEN HAS A CHANCE TO CATCH UP

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU

/rage

i'm going to go drink more now

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THEN WHO THE FUCK DIES TODAY

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Um...you realize Llamafluff is Kise's partner, right, guys?

...hahahahahahahahahahaha. Wow.

So reck, when I flip town will you finally realize that dram isnt obv town?

Dram isn't obvtown. He's just town, because I know he is. Never fucking said he was obvtown.

Even you just called him a lurker/non-contributor. After almost 70 pages having a pair with zero contribution isnt a tell?

NOT. FOR. DRAM.

You are also now saying "trying to get any other lynch" when I come in an immediately take the path of GREATEST resistance? I know how people think enough to know I was going to get blasted for saying that dram is scum, but he is, so its something im going to say.

Let's see... so you thought you were going to get blasted by anyone except ME? No. Bullshit. Because PLENTY of others (see: nearly everyone) had expressed distaste for dram's lurking. So no, don't you fucking play the martyr card.

And auto-lynch before his partner catches up? When did I say "we should auto-lynch dram"? Why doesnt that make you scum for wanting to lynch me before Xalxe catches up?

BECAUSE YOU ARE WANTING TO LYNCH DRAM BEFORE XALXE EVEN CATCHES UP
XALXE AND DRAM ARE LOVERS
YOUR LOVER ISN'T LURKING/CATCHING UP

Reck needs to get over the read he has had since early in the game. They can be hard to break, but he needs to break it, and is not really willing to even try to.

I'd be willing to do it if dram actually did something scummy. But not ONLY has there been a complete lack of scumtells, but there has been a complete playing-to-his-town-meta. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CHANGE MY MIND ON THAT?

Unvote; Vote: Kise

Easiest way to get Llama lynched. Llama is scummy. Kise, I didn't want to lynch due to earlier game shenanigans... but I was already wavering on my town read on him, said I'd hammer him, and Llama showing up to PEW PEW PEW a lurker is just lulzy.

HEY LLAMA, LOOK AT ME GETTING OVER A READ I HAD EARLIER IN THE GAME LOL

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what.

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I suppose it won't hurt.
But you're not gonna flip town.
so lol

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So I did some reasearch.

Its dram/xalxe and ash/evil llama

You know with all of their posts, combined, for the entire game, they never address eachother. We have one line in one post where dram calls ash prob-town. We also have one line from ash that is disagreing with drams read on Kise. That is it, for the ENTIRE game.

Its these two pairs. End of story. They work perfectly on interactions, on reads, on votecounts.

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At this point, I'd literally hammer anyone.

Except dram.

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Now thats a reaction that backs up my theory, interestingly enough even those quotes I missed show you are probably scum with him

unvote
Vote Ash

THIS
KIND
OF
POSTING
DOESN'T
COME
FROM
TOWN

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So what happens if Ash flips town?

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This game is going noooowheeeeere.

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Hiraki seems town after that post.
Llama continues to be useless.

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I DON'T CARE AT THIS POINT
THIS GAME IS FUCKING INFURIATING
GREYICE IS TOWN TOWN TOWN
I WILL LYNCH EITHER KISE OR ESPEONAGE

DRAMONIC NEEDS TO POST MORE
HE ALSO NEEDS ANOTHER NEW LOVER

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UNVOTE

BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD
FIRST WAGON TO L-1 WINS MY HAMMER
AND SINCE I HAVE NO LIFE, I WILL AUTOHAMMER AT L-1, BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS ON THE SITE

GET TO IT

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Dram.
Please, for the love of god, explain WHY you'd prefer that lynch.

I know you're town.
But they don't.
SHOW THEM.

PREDIT: ALSO YES PLEASE ANSWER ZITO'S QUESTION FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

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Kise & Llama both need to get off Ashblade, it's a waste of a vote.

Llamafluff is scummy as shit. He refuses to join the main wagons of the day and is basically hopping around from useless wagon to useless wagon. He needs to vote Kise or Espeonage.

That being said, Esp is at 6, Kise is at 5 right now. Xalxe, antihero, myself, Kise, and Llama are the only ones not voting one of the main two wagons, and it's nine to lynch. Unless someone flips from the Kise wagon onto the Espeonage wagon, that would mean me, Xalxe, Antihero, and LlamaFluff would ALL have to vote Kise in order to get his lynch. Meanwhile, Kise would undoubtedly vote Esp to save himself, which means only two of me/Xalxe/Antihero/Llamafluff would have to vote Espeonage. At this point, I just want a fucking lynch.

Vote: Espeonage

LET HIM FLIP THEN WE'LL TALK TOMORROW

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KISE. VOTE ESP.
ANYONE ON THE KISE WAGON IS ALSO WELCOME TO JOIN US.

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Mod: Xalxe's last and only posts were 12 days ago, and Xalxe has not been active since then. I suggest a replacement.

Dram, has Xalxe even said a word in your QT?

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ell

oh

ell

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Or the 10 billion other lurkers.

BUT NO GUYS DRAM LURKING IS WAY WORSE THAN EVERYONE ELSE LURKING/FLAKING ESPECIALLY WHEN HE DOES THIS EVERY GAME

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Llama, dram's lurking is NO WORSE than anyone else's. In fact, it's better than quite a few people in this game.

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Whatever.

I'm so tired of hearing you yell about dram being scum when he's not.

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Holy shit EmpTyger. You really are fucking obnoxious. Let me respond to your asinine post, again.

1) He always plays like this, yes, which doesn't make him not-werewolf, but it doesn't make him scummy for

playing to exactly what his town meta is

.
2) Okay, true, and like I said

I want a fucking lynch so I can glean some info instead of all of us screaming in circles like we've been doing for Day 5

.
3) lol this
4) Actually, there

is

a reason to think dram's innocent, and it's called previous experience. I don't know why the burden of proof is on me to prove he's innocent when the standard is innocent until proven guilty, which

NOBODY HAS DONE YET

.

Now EmpTyger thinks I'm scum again. LAWL. This part of the post is seriously...just...what?

Maybe you're werewolf shielding fellow werewolves because you don't think anyone will ever call you on such an audacious play. Maybe you're werewolf buddying to innocents. I don't know. All I know is that what you've said doesn't add up.

So, in the event of a dramonic lynch, EmpTyger has now PERFECTLY set himself up to flip back on me and push for a mislynch on me

regardless of what dram flips

. Pay attention, folks.

And it increasingly seems like you know it, and you keep blustering it, and ignoring direct and legitimate questions because you feel you can get away with it without any consequences.

No. I'm ignoring questions because I'm tired of fucking repeating myself. If you guys think dram is scum because... durrr... whatever stupid reasoning you have that makes him more likely to be scum than any of the other noncontributors, then fine, go for it. But you won't be getting my vote for his lynch, and it doesn't look like you'll be getting GreyICE's or Kise's (and sure as hell not my lover's) either. Good luck with that lynch.

You want to argue that there are worse lurkers? Fine. That doesn't lead to "dramonic must be town".

YOU CANNOT SAY DRAMONIC IS LURKING MORE SCUMMY THAN ANOTHER LURKER. THAT IS MY POINT IN POINTING THAT OUT.
You just said "Fine, there are worse lurkers" and agreed with my statement. If you're pushing a dramonic-lynch for lurking, you're conceding that lurking is scummy/lynch-worthy. And since you just agreed that there are worse lurkers, THAT WOULD MEAN THEY ARE MORE SCUMMY/LYNCH-WORTHY.

You want to argue that you can read dramonic perfectly? Fine. Then share a read that bears out, not just reasonless repetition.

Uh, what? I've pretty much said my entire read on him is gut/meta FOR THE ENTIRE GAME. Buy it, or don't. But don't expect me to jump on his wagon when I'm 100% confident he's town this game.

You want to cite nonsense that even dramonic himself doesn't buy it? Fine. I'm calling you on it.

I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain this one a bit more. Please. For the lulz. Are you saying dramonic doesn't buy himself as town?
EX FUCKING DEE

And if you want to ignore this and try to bury it under more phony rage and insults? Fine. Let's see who, if anyone, buys it.

No... no, my rage isn't phony. For like 60 fucking pages you've been harping on me and my read on dram. Dude, either buy it or don't, but I'm fucking tired of trying to explain it to you over and over... then ten pages later, you ask me the same questions all over again, just with moderately tweaked phrasing.

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Emp's reason for thinking I'm scum? Let me look through his iso and pull out his brilliant fucking points so far:
1) I had an "over-the-top reaction" to Haylen, silavor, and Kise in the early game. I responded with this:

Haylen set me off because she was stupid, Kise set me off because he blatantly lied, and silavor set me off because he was defending Haylen's stupidity.

His reaction? "Oh, well the mod said your reactions were inappropriate, therefore they are over the top".
2) "Someone's lying" in the Kise vs. Me/Nero/Dram AIM log thing. Which is a stupid fucking false dichotomy that EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE isn't a true statement. No, someone doesn't HAVE to be lying. In fact, go read his pressing on the AIM log hootenanny, it's pretty fucking terrible in general. ("Why would innocent Kise lie about the conversation? There's no way he could be misinformed or mistaken?" WHY THE FUCK NOT)
3) He continues to press on me about how the mod has edited my posts/modwarned me, as if that's scummy. Okay. He also says I haven't refuted Kise's logs ("your proof could have been doctored"), I haven't shown how Kise could be misinformed ("if he's misinformed, one of you/dram/Nero lied), and I haven't shown how Kise could be mistaken ("he's consistently insisted that a conversation happened").

At this point, he made a clear statement that he thought me/GreyICE are scum. Yet, the above is literally the only line of questioning.

Moving on.

4) He twists one of dramonic's posts into saying that agreeing with me is a sign of guilt. When I explain why he's a dumbfuck for twisting it so blatantly, he continues to question me on it. Read here.

OH BUT WAIT

5) After we lynch mafia, suddenly, he doesn't think I'm scum! I ask him why, and he says it's because my playstyle "hampered the town's ability to lynch an antitown". So the crux of the previous three points was that… my playstyle was bad? He didn't like how I played? That's funny, because only a bit earlier, he was harping on how precise town has to be in order to win. Funny that he was okay wasting one of those oh-so-precious lynches on someone whose playstyle just irritated him.

BUT WAIT AGAIN

6) After I call Emp out on his flip-flop, he comes at me going 'OH HO HO BUT YOU FLIP-FLOPPED ON KISE BEING SCUM'. Yes, I did, because I was being directly accused of being a liar BY SOMEONE ELSE. Being blinded by "I KNOW I'M NOT A LIAR, THEREFORE THIS OTHER PERSON IS" is much different than "OKAY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE IS WITHOUT A DOUBT A LIAR EVEN THOUGH I AM OUTSIDE OF THE SITUATION", which is what EmpTyger was essentially shouting all through the start of the game.

7) Emp has a problem with my statement that I'd hammer whoever got to L-1 first… he asks me "Where did that come from?" even though I explained "This day is dragging out, I'm fed up and tired with it, let's just fucking lynch and get some goddamn flips so we can move on".

SO AFTER ALL OF THIS he comes back at me with his most recent post which I mentioned in my last post. His pushing on me the entire game has been fucking weak, he flips on me for LITERALLY NO REASON WHATSOEVER (my playstyle didn't change, which is exactly what he said was the main reason for suspecting me) and when I call him out on it, suddenly he's all back down my throat again saying "well now I'm flip flopping, lol, also you're scum no matter what dram flips"

TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE

Oh yeah did I mention the part where he tried to attack me because I hadn't copy/pasted the lover list into me/Nero's QT yet?

ELL OH ELL

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OKAY.

SOMEONE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HAMMER SO WE CAN MOVE ON.

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But I do want Xalxe burned to the ground.

XALXE IS GETTING REPLACED
HI THX FOR ATTN.

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Vote: EmpTyger

Also, the scummiest part about that final vote count is EmpTyger not voting despite being active. LlamaFluff sitting on dramonic instead of getting on one of the other two wagons is also lulzy.

PREVIEW EDIT: But GreyICE seems town to me. He would have NO REASON, as scum, to defend me & dram so hard unless one of us was his buddyteam, because otherwise he could have two easy mislynches to jump on.

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Did you attack him D5 at all?

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I'm not reading anything else tonight. I'm too tired. This damn puppy is wearing me out, and she JUST passed out, so I'm going to TRY to get at least a couple hours of sleep in before she wakes up ready to play and refuses to allow me my beauty rest.

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OH MY GOD
FATE
FATE
FATE
FATE
FATE
FATE
DRAM & FATE ON A LOVERTEAM?
IT'S LIKE MY DREAM COME TRUE*

*though now I wish Nero had replaced out so Fate could've been my lover :'(

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FATE JUST READ UP SO YOU CAN VOTE EMPTY PLEASE

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@EmpTyger: Whether you like it or not, my meta on dram and knowing his playstyle and fucking dating him and being able to read him IS A REASON WHY HE IS TOWN. I just fucking said, as I've said a billion fucking times, that you're free to NOT BELIEVE ME but you're not going to be getting my vote for dramonic, or Fate. And I cannot wait for Fate to come in here and bust this game wide open.

(For the record: lol your suspicion on me, you're about as credible as a used car salesman)

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Why the fuck did nobody (INCLUDING EMPTYGER) comment on my case on EmpTyger? Fucking seriously.

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KISE IS WALLPOSTING ughhh

Fate read it for me and tell me what to do kthx

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People have the same thought as their lover or hydra buddies fairly often since both players share a perspective on the game.

In that post of mine you quoted I mentioned I could also see ESPO as wolves, which made the odds of them flipping some kind of scum better. We were primarily looking for mafia though because they would be easier to find via links to kcd (an opinion borne out by catching Vezok after one ML).

There's no way you're actually town as sure of the scumteam as you're acting. Saying Grey's pair and mine are "equal" since you're certain of both is ridiculous.

Grey was on all the first 4 days' wagons because he was a primary driver for them. He even found us scums. It would be more reasonable to say that the first 4 lynches were on who they were because that was where Grey was than to say he went where the lynches were / had no problem being on them. He wasn't on the D5 wagon because he found Kise scummier than ESPO.

This makes ten kinds of sense.
Grey is not the lynch for today please adjust accordingly.

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Touché.

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FATE NOOOOOOOO

;_____________;

RIDDLE ME THIS
GREYSCUM
CLEARS RECKTOWN/NEROTOWN AND DRAMTOWN/FATETOWN
THAT SEVERELY LIMITS GREYSCUM'S MISLYNCH OPTIONS

EXPLAIN SCUM MOTIVATION IN THAT
BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING IT

[xRECKONERx]

THERE. ISN'T. SCUM. MOTIVATION. FOR. GREYICE. TO. BUDDY. TWO. PEOPLE.

If he was just like "Okay Reck is town but dram is scum" or something I could buy it... but he's holding to what he said

this late

in the game. GreyICE would need three of the seven couples remaining lynched to win... if you remove me/Nero and dram/you... plus Grey's scumteam... that would limit it down to THE EXACT THREE LYNCHES he needs in order to win. I don't see scum backing themselves into a corner like that.

[xRECKONERx]

WHO ARE GREY/ANTIHERO'S SCUMBUDDIES THEN

BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE FOLLOWING:
Llamarble - Ashblade
LlamaFluff - Kise
Papa Zito - Tragedy
EmpTyger - Hiraki

AND GREY IS PUSHING REAL REAL HARD ON KISE AND I

JUST EXPLAINED

HOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO NAIL THREE OUT OF THE FOUR
SO IF GREY IS SCUM, KISE IS 100% CONFTOWN

[xRECKONERx]

Actually hmmmm EmpTyger/Hiraki with GreyICE/Antihero kinda makes sense.


Grey can't back down from his reads on me and dram, but EmpTyger can push us for him...

[xRECKONERx]

FFFUUUU SHOWERTIME BBL

[xRECKONERx]

THIS MAKES SENSE
THE SCREAMING DEATH CLAN WILL BREAK THIS GAME WIIIIIDE OPEN
WOOOO SECOND WIND

UNVOTE; VOTE: GREYICE

GREY TODAY, EMPTYGER TOMORROW, G FUCKING G

preview edit: ummk hold on

[xRECKONERx]

Here it is: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p2775078

[xRECKONERx]

WE DON'T HAVE NIGHTPHASES FFS

[xRECKONERx]

Grey, if you flip town, I will go after Kise before endgame.

My EmpTyger lynch takes priority.

[xRECKONERx]

See: EmpTyger's awful tunneling on me.

In fact, in light of Fate's comments, I would say him tunneling on me with weak cases looks like a direct counter to your stonewall defense of me as town.

[xRECKONERx]

Nah, we're not lynching Kise today.
It's you or EmpTyger.

[xRECKONERx]

God dammit, vezok's town.

I trust your reads, Reck...

BACKING OUT ON THE 'RECK IS CONFTOWN GOGOGO' LINE OF REASONING?

[xRECKONERx]

How is tunneling on dramtown town?

[xRECKONERx]

Not only am I not assuming his guilt

Except for the parts where you say I'm scum.

How come Reckoner continues to insist dramonic is 100% must-be-definite-bet-the-game-on-it town. This should have had an easy answer: “dramonic is town because dramonic did _________, and dramonic-as-mafia-or-werewolf would not do _________.” But the scant reasons Reckoner has given are either baseless or contradicted.

PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS
I HAVE CLEARLY SAID (AT LEAST A BILLION TIMES NOW) THAT MY READ ON DRAM IS PURE GUT & META & PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP STUFF, AND I'VE INVITED YOU ALL TO NOT BELIEVE IT, BUT YOU'RE

NOT GOING TO GET MY VOTE

.

NOW who is ignoring posts?

So, dramonic is town based on reasons that only Reckoner could possibly know because of his oh-so-mysterious metaread of draconic.

Sarcasm aside, there are plenty of games where I've read dram right off the bat.

See: Blackest Night Mafia (called dramscum D1, as well as his entire scumteam).
See: Square-Enix III, where I was the only person verbally defending dram D1, and he was lynched.
See: Caffwagon Invitational, where I was a mason and dram was scum, and I put up a distancing attempt despite knowing he was scum (read the QT).

There is plenty of evidence for my metareads of dram being REALLY FUCKING ACCURATE, and yet you continue to say my meta is "baseless". I've constantly said my entire read on dram is based on meta and gut, have never once insinuated that it is based on something he's done this game, and you CONTINUING to strawman me is getting old. You're attacking my read on dram for being something I never said it was.

And that is one of the many reasons why you're scummy. You're strawmanning my read on dram (which is a misrep), you're now saying you weren't assuming my guilt (which is a lie), and your actual case on me was weak (as I've already pointed out). In fact, your entire response to my case on you was 'RECK SAYS I'M TUNNELING I'LL SHOW YOU HOW I'M NOT TUNNELING', thereby completely ignoring everything I've said.

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NOT MORE OBVIOUS TO THE REST OF YOU

[xRECKONERx]

What the fuck are you talking about?

I have clearly explained why I believe dram is town, and that view won't be changing. What I'm saying doesn't have to add up to everyone else, though clearly some people buy what I'm saying (see: Kise, GreyICE, etc.). What I'm saying doesn't add up? HOW?

I have a town read on dram based on meta, gut, and knowing him IRL. I've said that now a billion and one times, and it's what I've said the whole game. My story never "changed". It is what it is. Yes, part of it may be bias, part of it may be playing the odds, etc, but the bulk of my read on dram is meta/gut/personal knowledge, and that's what it has been the whole game.

[xRECKONERx]

If GreyICE is EmpTyger's scumbuddy(ies), then what I said earlier about Tyger attacking ICE's town reads without attacking ICE applies.

If Kise is EmpTyger's scumbuddy(ies) [very unlikely], this is an obvious attempt to derail his wagon.

[xRECKONERx]

tl;dr emptyger is scum either way and I will now place my vote accordingly on surescum rather than potentialpartnerscum

Vote: EmpTyger

I see the logic behind GreyICE being scum but I'm way more confident about Tyger.

[xRECKONERx]

Yes, Emp, you irritating twat. That's exactly how I caught dramonic as scum in Blackest Night Mafia, because

I know his meta

. As in, EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. I also said MULTIPLE TIMES that it was gut and that I know how to read dram due to RL stuff.

But yeah, let's completely ignore that so you can continue to stretch and stretch and stretch this case.

@Llama: THEN FUCKING LYNCH HIM. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID THAT? If you find him scummy, lynch him. I DO NOT think he's scum, therefore I WILL NOT BE JOINING YOU.

It's THAT FUCKING SIMPLE.

[xRECKONERx]

Grey, I already told you that if you flip town, I'll reevaluate my position on Kise tomorrow. TBQH I don't think Zito/Tragedy are scum, though they ARE lurking, I don't get scum vibes from them.

[xRECKONERx]

Tragedy, if you want Llamarble lynched, don't just sit there and shout, "Lurking! Lurking!" because that's not going to convince anyone.

[xRECKONERx]

This is fucking weird.

Grey has called me/Nero, dram/Fate, and EmpTyger/Hiraki town. If he's scum, that limits his viable lynch options to Llamarble/Ashblade, Llamafluff/Kise, and Zito/Tragedy. If Grey is scum, he probably is putting his partners in the "town" category because he needs three mislynches to win (I think). However, I wouldn't put it past Grey to jump onto his partner's wagon (aka, EmpTyger/Hiraki) if he were put in a position to, because he'd sooner bus his buddies than go back on a town-read.

EmpTyger has given NO reads other than "I want Reck dead today", so he's pretty clear to get a lynch on whoever the fuck he wants.

Tragedy has done nothing but say Llamarble is probscum due to lurking (which is bullshit, and looks like a really blatant attempt to stay out of the spotlight by targeting someone nobody else is with a "lolurker" read).

Ashblade has said that neither GreyICE nor EmpTyger nor Kise is scum, and said that I'm likely town, and that he trusts my read on dram. This process of elimination limits Ashblade's scum reads to dram/Fate or Zito/Tragedy. Note that Ashblade also said he'd rather lynch EmpTyger over Kise, but that's with saying EmpTyger is likely town. Not sure what to make of this, but it really isn't very pretty.

Ashblade, who do you want to lynch today? Give a clear list of scum and town reads.

So, in my opinion,

if

GreyICE/Antihero are scum,

then

their partners are EmpTyger/Hiraki.

EmpTyger/Hiraki, without GreyICE/Antihero, could be ANYONE as the buddies.

I'll wait for Ashblade to respond, but I don't think Ashblade/Llamarble could be partners with Tragedy/Zito, simply because Tragedy went out of her way to draw attention to Llamarble's lurking.

Going to dinner/out for the night, may post more later if I'm not completely shitfaced when I get home.

[xRECKONERx]

OKAY GREY I'M WITH YOU
HOLY SHIT FATE
I FUCKED OVER OUR CAPSLOCKRAGEALLIANCE DURING MY RETIREMENT GAME
GREY
IF YOU FUCK ME OVER
I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU

SO. WHO. THE. FUCK. ARE. WE. LYNCHING.
VOTE EMPTYGER NOW
and yes im drunk wheeee

[xRECKONERx]

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<3333333333333333333333333333

[xRECKONERx]

My four fastest... what.

[xRECKONERx]

EmpTyger is town what are these votes.

VOTE: dramonic

This is terrible.

Scum and town list. Now.

[xRECKONERx]

@Ash - How does Fate replacing in and attacking your "top town read" make you more sure then before that he is town? Also you trusted Recks read of dram which put dram as MORE TOWN then reck... so you trusted your somewhat scummier read of someone being town, to put them more town as the player... I keep typing it and it doesnt make sense.

this

[xRECKONERx]

I

just said

if GreyICE is scum, then Emp is scum... but Emp's arguments are scummy regardless.

[xRECKONERx]

FINE

UNVOTE VOTE GREYICE

IF YOU'RE WRONG IMMA KILL YOU

[xRECKONERx]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[xRECKONERx]

WELL I'D RATHER LYNCH EMPTYGER TODAY BUT THE ONLY WAY I CAN SEEM TO GET ANYONE TO LISTEN TO ME IS BY DEALING WITH YOU TODAY

[xRECKONERx]

What, that lynch sequence?
Yes.

[xRECKONERx]

WELL Emp won't flip town.
But yes if you both flip town I will lynch Kise so fast it'll make his head spin.
Actually, if Emp just flips town, I'll lynch Kise, since a town Empflip means you're town too IMO.

[xRECKONERx]

Well, I'm not lynching someone I think is town (Kise) just to shut up your tunneling.

[xRECKONERx]

I know a super secret Fatetell which he has not committed either way yet.

[xRECKONERx]

I know a super secret Fatetell which he has not committed either way yet.

YOURENOT SOCIOPATH DAMN IT

STAY OUT OF THAT TEAM MAFIA QT

But it is a true tell and you know it.

[xRECKONERx]

V/LA till I get back from the mountains

[xRECKONERx]

UNVOTE; VOTE: GREYICE

Grey. If you flip town, I will lynch Kise before endgame. Promise.

[xRECKONERx]

Nero CAIN?

Fucking hell good thing he flaked, id have lynched reck outta spite

Stop making me want to lynch you for saying stupid shit.

[xRECKONERx]

Reckoner:
Can I ask you a straightforward question about your reads without you exploding?

Yes.

[xRECKONERx]

Still here.
Still waiting on a lynch.
I have become increasingly disillusioned with this fucking game.

[xRECKONERx]

It's been going on for over two months and...yeah. I just want it to be over.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm confused tragedy. You've said yourself you have no case on me. And before that you pretty much yelled about lurking.
Please explain the thought process you've gone through looking for scum in this game.

DAT AVOIDANCE

[xRECKONERx]

ugh Sorry, been very busy irl.


Reckoner:
The question is, I want to know why not dramonic/Fate/Kise/LlamaF. I again reread dramonic in isolation, and there still are a lot of redflags. There's nothing overwhelming in here- all of this is weak, I know, and I'm too rushed too put it into a more substantial form. But, taken together:

Dramonic was suspicious about Kise the entire game, then bandwagons on Kise formed, and his story has completely 180ed. His current logic for why Kise is innocent doesn't sound like something he came up with on his own, especially compared to what he was saying earlier in the game about Kise. And his "Did Kise just claim scum"- there's something about it that feels like one werewolf overparsing another.

[Honestly, I wanted to know about the dramonic/Kise possibility on D5, and when you reacted the way you did to my question, I drew one conclusion.]


Fate:
Everything you are saying could be applied just as much for why Kise is guilty and GreyIce is innocent.
Moreover, we had this situation D5, with Espeonage vs Kise. How is this any different?


Tragedy:
Who do you see as potential partners with Llamarble/Ashblade?

I have told you a thousand times now why I think dram is town, and have repeatedly told you that you're not getting my vote for it. Furthermore, Fate is townier than the towniest townie.

[xRECKONERx]

Dram's read on Kise changed, and I don't see why that's an issue, especially considering that you yourself changed stances on people tons of times.

[xRECKONERx]

Kise is at L-1, Grey is at L-2.

[xRECKONERx]

REALLY.
I GET A NEW LOVER THIS LATE IN THE GAME.
FUCKING SIGH.

[xRECKONERx]

He's most likely going to flip town, but these people need to get their fucking head out of their ass.

WHAT THE FUCK DRAM?

[xRECKONERx]

Dram, what the fucking fuck-shit was that?

Vote: GreyICE

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah, not going for that whole self-defeatism bullshit.

We'll see how you react when you're at L-1.

[xRECKONERx]

Dram, what the fucking fuck-shit was that?

Dram is still town y/n?


@Grey: Regardless of your alignment you're playing against your wincon fyi.

Yes, he's town, he's just stupid town this game. Not surprising.
I know he was frustrated (as was I), but completely jumping ship onto another wagon like that (a wagon which he thought was on a townie) was stupid.

[xRECKONERx]

If he's town, he's not playing against his wincon.
If he's scum, he is.

Zitoslip?

[xRECKONERx]

Reckoner, you haven't even fucking bothered to make a case on EmpTyger.

Fate, you're an idiot.

PEDIT: Reckoner is an idiot.

Yes I have. If you're not paying attention, that's a different story, but I have made a case on EmpTyger. I've made several points against him, actually, in several different posts.

If he's town his wincon is to lynch the scums. He's voting himself. Hurpadurp.
If he's scum his wincon is to mislynch the townies. He's voting himself. Hurpadurp.

Yeah, but if he's town, he's willingly voting himself to get that over with since he knows he's dead in the water. It could also be a scum ploy to gain town points. So really, he's not playing against his wincon either way, unless you happen to know something else about his alignment that we don't.

That's the first two wagons.

I found it telling that both mafia lover pairs were on the q21 wagon. I believe one of not both of the werewolf pairs may be.

Wait sorry.

ITT Zito treats idle speculation without factual evidence as God-given truth

Zito was on the Kisewagon with GreyICE, then comes out slinging at GreyICE post mislynch with bullshit like this and useless votecount analysis in a game with two scumteams WHERE ONE SCUMTEAM IS ALREADY WIPED OUT. This is bullshit.

GreyICE was wrong about Kise, obviously, and here comes PZ to jump down his throat right off the bat.

Vote: Papa Zito

[xRECKONERx]

You were forced to do what.

[xRECKONERx]

By whom.

[xRECKONERx]

So GreyICE somehow forced you to vote Kise. How about taking responsibility for your own actions?

[xRECKONERx]

hmm.
I cannot figure out where the mislynches are being pushed for the life of me.

PZ&Tragedy are pushing both GreyICE and Llamarble/Ashblade lynches, which would imply that EmpTyger/Hiraki or Dram/Fate are the buddies.

WAIT A FUCKING SECOND.
PZ&TRAGEDY + EMPTYGER&HIRAKI?
That sounds beautiful to me, actually.

[xRECKONERx]

I almost forgot about Emp & Hiraki given the day's events but whoooooooboy as soon as I put that puzzle piece together it all clicked.

Full steam ahead with the lynchings.
Fate, Grey probably isn't scum. Look at people splitting their votes:

Tragedy is pushing for Llamarble, specifically.
Zito is pushing for GreyICE (with a nice side of Ashblade thrown in).
EmpTyger has been for a dram lynch (which, conveniently, Zito says he wouldn't mind seeing in an earlier post).

There's the last fucking mislynches they're pushing. Tragedy & Zito attempt to push through a lynch on Llamarble/Ashblade, which leaves GreyICE for lynchingz the final day, or dramonic/Fate for the last day if EmpTyger can make his cases take off.

CAN WE END THIS NOW?

[xRECKONERx]

TRAGEDY ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
97 PAGES OF THE GAME
MY PARTNER IS FUCKING NERO CAIN
AND MY VOTE IS RECENTLY ON ZITO
LIKE, LAST FUCKING PAGE RECENTLY
JESUS CHRIST ARE YOU REALLY THIS LAZY

[xRECKONERx]

ITT Zito treats idle speculation without factual evidence as God-given truth

I believe

one of not both of the werewolf pairs

may

be.

mmhmm

orly?

READ SCUM THAT'S THE FIRST TWO WAGONS AND SHOWS YOU MAY BE WEREWOLF SCUM LOLOLloLOlOl

That's why you tried to use your vote count analysis to try and incriminate GreyICE, right?

[xRECKONERx]

I'm using those wagons as starting points, absolutely.

If you look close you'll find yet another "may be" in there. And "may be" is so far from "God-given truth" it hurts.

IT HURTS RECK.

"may be" is just another way of not committing to something so you can back out OH LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW

Tragedy, what the fuck.
I didn't "suddenly call you a scumbuddy", but nice misrep. I actually noticed you guys were scummy, remembered that Emp & Hiraki are actually in this game (since uh they haven't posted today), and was like WAIT THIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
But I really like how you twisted everything I've said so far.

[xRECKONERx]

Yes, Tragedy, but your scumminess was evident and brought up way before I made the connection between you guys and Emp/Hiraki.

BUT RECK

ITT Zito treats idle speculation without factual evidence as God-given truth

"may be" is just another way of not committing to something so you can back out OH LOOK LIKE YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW

HOW CAN THIS BE

You obviously think that your vote count analysis has some merit. God-given truth was a hyperbole. If I had not called you out on it, you probably would've continued to do VCA to link Grey to being werewolf in some shady manner. Fact is, doing VCA right now is utter bullshit especially considering your only response to how it could be useful was that WELL I THINK WEREWOLF WERE DEF. ON THE WAGON THOUGH IDK HOW

P.S.

I HAVE CLEARLY SAID (AT LEAST A BILLION TIMES NOW) THAT MY READ ON DRAM IS PURE GUT & META & PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP STUFF

ITT Zito treats idle speculation without factual evidence as God-given truth

lol?

NOT THE SAME THING.

[xRECKONERx]

You obviously think that your vote count analysis has some merit. God-given truth was a hyperbole.

Yes I do. Glad to see you backtracking here.

Well, it doesn't, and you should be used to me being exaggerated and speaking in extremes by now. So calling it backtracking is, quite frankly, bullshit.

If I had not called you out on it, you probably would've continued to do VCA to link Grey to being werewolf in some shady manner.

Two issues here.

1. If what I'm supposedly going to do (ITT Reck prognosticates!) is so "shady" why wouldn't you continue to let me do it? Stopping an enemy from making a mistake why?
2. How do you know Grey

isn't

a werewolf?

1. Because at the time, I saw what you were doing, and got all excited and jumped on it at first chance. You already made the mistake.
2. I don't... but I know there's a hell of a lot better explanation for you/Tragedy and EmpTyger/Hiraki to be werewolves than there is GreyICE.

VOTE: xRECKONERx

OH MY GOD YOU SUCK

Fact is, doing VCA right now is utter bullshit especially considering your only response to how it could be useful was that WELL I THINK WEREWOLF WERE DEF. ON THE WAGON THOUGH IDK HOW

With both members of one scumteam sitting happily on that first wagon, I see no reason why it wouldn't draw the other one as well.

There's no correlation. You have no statistical, or even logical evidence, for why you suspected that. "I see no reason why it wouldn't" also applies to "I see no reason why it would".

A couple things make this attack really poor.

1. I already talked about these wagons here yet it didn't garner this response at that time. It didn't get any response at all in fact.
2. I hadn't posted a vote or any real analysis yet, just the wagons themselves. You're attacking me for what I might do or could do and didn't even wait to see if I would do those.

1. You didn't use your inane votecount babbling to try and push a wagon there.
2. That's why in your response to GreyICE, you made it a point to be like "This might prove you're scum!"? If there wasn't any real analysis to be drawn yet, why did you even apply it to one player at all?

NOT THE SAME THING.

So much lulz.

[/quote]
It's not.

[xRECKONERx]

Unvote:
Vote: GREYICE

I CANT DO IT RECK, I JUST FUCKIN CANT

GREY.
IS.
SCUM.

I swear to god Fate did you just gloss over Zito's entire bullshit OMGUS votehop on me after his weakass vote on GreyICE?

THAT ISN'T BUSSING

[xRECKONERx]

P.S. GREY you still didn't explain your Ashblade is town or how his fewer posts are somehow better than my moar posts.

OH I SEE

Townieness is decided on the basis of post counts. You know what? I'm not even bothering to justify this.

You think Ashblade and Llamarble are scum
You think I'm scum
You're voting for Reckoner
Dram might be scum

THERE'S SIX FUCKING LOVER PAIRS, TWO WEREWOLF PAIRS, AND YOU THINK FOUR OF THEM ARE SCUMMY. OCCAM'S RAZOR SUGGESTS AN EXPLANATION.

EVEN IF THAT FISH FACE FATE GETS ME LYNCHED TODAY, THIS IS OVER FOR YOU.

I ALMOST WANT HIM TO DO THAT SO HE CAN SPEND TOMORROW DERP EXPLAINING.

BUT NO. YOU BRING OUT THE ENTIRE SCUM TEAM AND YOU PUT THEM ON MY WAGON IF YOU WANT ME DEAD.

/topic

[xRECKONERx]

YOU ARE NOT THIS STUPID ARE YOU?
ASHBLADE AND LLAMARBLE ARE LOVERS FOR FUCK'S SAKE

[xRECKONERx]

EMPTYGER/HIRAKI AND ZITO/TRAGEDY.

[xRECKONERx]

ANYWAY WORKS FOR YOU BEING SCUM

[xRECKONERx]

OH THANK GOD more fucking smart people.

[xRECKONERx]

This game has a case of the MODLESS.

[xRECKONERx]

Also, DH + GreyICE = #winning

Now, DH, please examine Tragedy/Zito & EmpTyger/Hiraki in iso and realize they're scum so we can move this day along.

PS there's a wagon on you and GI.

[xRECKONERx]

Here's a post that's a good summary of my scumdar on Emp:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2915454

[xRECKONERx]

EmpTyger and I have been one continual back-and-forth. He basically continues to say that my read on dram is scummy and that I should present a case as to why he's town, and when I explain my read on dram is all gut/meta/knowing him IRL/etc., he says it's scummy.

Just iso me and Ctrl+F for Emp

[xRECKONERx]

V/LA FOR THE NEXT DAY OR SO; MY MODEM WENT BOOM

[xRECKONERx]

I buy it. A lot. Emp has been "Tragedypair is town" most of the game except for a period when he said they might be mafia,
which of course is a suspicion that goes away for free on second maflynch.
Tragedypair has pretty much kept Emp as town, and when they disagree they bicker rather than find each other scummy.
Neither of them have any substantial individual towntells to scare me off lynching them.
I think I like Emplynch best; in case Grey is scum I'd like not to lynch their first choice pair & Emp fits more teams. VOTE: EMP
I've always been curious whether you're a tiger with EMP weapons or some kind of number (portmanteauing empty with integer). Or is it both? Die.

If you think they're a scumteam why would you not just vote for the leading wagon?

[xRECKONERx]

K well you need to think in terms of connections.

[xRECKONERx]

I buy it. A lot. Emp has been "Tragedypair is town" most of the game except for a period when he said they might be mafia,
which of course is a suspicion that goes away for free on second maflynch.
Tragedypair has pretty much kept Emp as town, and when they disagree they bicker rather than find each other scummy.
Neither of them have any substantial individual towntells to scare me off lynching them.
I think I like Emplynch best; in case Grey is scum I'd like not to lynch their first choice pair & Emp fits more teams. VOTE: EMP
I've always been curious whether you're a tiger with EMP weapons or some kind of number (portmanteauing empty with integer). Or is it both? Die.

We're not in LyLo.

If it's me and EmpTyger, we have nowhere to run after a PZ town flip.

this

[xRECKONERx]

Guys, I just pooped, and it was like PURE liquid. My asshole is burning so bad.

[xRECKONERx]

Mastin needs to post something... at all.
Though just quoting my posts and voting accordingly works too.

[xRECKONERx]

Does anyone have any actually evidence they can replace the ? above with? I think I want to look into Llamarble first.

Can someone do my work for me so if things backfire tomorrow I can blame you?

[xRECKONERx]

Papa Zito (3): GreyICE, xRECKONERx, DemonHybrid
GreyICE (2): Fate, Dramonic
Llamarble (1): Tragedy
xRECKONERx (1): Papa Zito
EmpTyger (1): Llamarble

Not Voting: Ashblade, EmpTyger, mastin2, Hiraki

Let's fix that.

Vote: Llarmable, HoS: EmpTyger/Hiraki, FoS: Zito/Tragedy

.

You are a disappointing lover.
GET THE FUCK ON THE ZITO WAGON

[xRECKONERx]

_________ IS OBVIOUS isn't very compelling, sry

PREDIT: Fine, then can we agree on an Emp lynch then
Jesus Christ I'm having to argue with my own lover

[xRECKONERx]

Who are you talking about?

[xRECKONERx]

UNVOTE; VOTE: EMPTYGER

MOVE OUT BITCHES

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah, so apparently Emp wanted me to talk more in QT and less here, but it's starting to piss me off.

So, I'm coming out, and I'm going to kill.

Okay, I said I'd read this, but I haven't yet. I'm going to be busy this week until Tuesday. After Tuesday, I will seriously look at this thread since D5ish, and get up to here, and make conclusions.

HA.

I HAVE FREE TIME.

LET'S DO THIS.

I'm sick, I'm working overtime, I'm supposed to be going out of town this weekend. I haven't found the time to read more than a few pages this past week. My partner doesn't want to use the quicktopic. What am I supposed to do? I'm giving my thoughts and trying to work with the rest of the town as best I can.

I don't, but um. You haven't been using that much either when I was being sort of active either.

I fell asleep at the computer, but I'll get my recap on by tonight. It's halfway done.

Give me one more day. I've just been procrastinating with Portal 2, and such.

[xRECKONERx]

Is it really bad
that I have a town read
On hiraki too?

Reckoner, if you and Dramonic are both werewolves and decided "lets not bus, lets instead be really great townies (well you are) and we're going to rock this town and no one will stop us" I will cry.

And cry
And cry

And probably congratulate you two.

WHAT MAKES THIS GAME MAKE SENSE?

1) no because it's emp & zito
2) that would be fucking beautiful but i guess we'll have to settle for MAN WE WERE FUCKING AWESOME TOWNIES AND SO WAS GREYICE AND WE FUCKING WON TOGETHER
3) EMP + ZITO

[xRECKONERx]

FATE WE ARE AT AN IMPASSE HERE

[xRECKONERx]

Fate, let me ask you... when EmpTyger/Hiraki flip scum, who is their scumbuddy IYO?

[xRECKONERx]

FATE/DRAM/ASHBLADE

TWO OF YOU NEED TO VOTE EMPTYGER

Zito & Trag won't vote their scumbuddies
Emptyger & Hiraki obv won't selfvote

FATE. JUST TRUST ME ON THIS ONE. FUCKING TRUST ME. I'M BETTER AT FINDING SCUM THAN YOU THINK I AM

[xRECKONERx]

THERE IS NO ROOM FOR GREY TO BE SCUM IN THE EMPTYGER HIRAKI ZITO TRAGEDY GROUP
SMELL THE FUCKING ROSES

You are saying that GREY IS BUSSING ZITO when they are TWO MISLYNCHES AWAY FROM WINNING
that is the most FUCKTARDED THING I'VE EVER HEARD

[xRECKONERx]

Fate, let me ask you... when EmpTyger/Hiraki flip scum, who is their scumbuddy IYO?

[xRECKONERx]

Because they will be lynched and they will flip scum. Dramonic will vote if I beg him enough and Llamarble's lover is already on the fucking wagon

[xRECKONERx]

oh wait, no he's not
fuck

[xRECKONERx]

but why wouldn't he just take my offer of LYNCHING EMPTYGER early on if he was just going to bus
in fact he pretty much STARTED THE WAGON on Zito

[xRECKONERx]

Listen
Zito/Trag + DH/Grey makes LITERALLY NO SENSE TO ME, and I don't see how it can work.
EMP/HIRAKI + ZITO/TRAG MAKES PERFECT FUCKING SENSE THOUGH

[xRECKONERx]

YESSSS

YESSSSSSSSSSSS JUSTICEEEEEEEEE

I would NOT be opposed to a Reck lynch after Greyscum, now that you mention it...BUDDYBUDDY TO VICTORY, MANIPULATE DRAMZ?


IS THIS HOW IT IS RECK?

DONT FUCKIN TELL MEE

don't start with me
also GREY WON'T FLIP SCUM SO LOL YOUR PLAN

[xRECKONERx]

Huh, that made infinitely more sense than some previous Trag. posts... And now PZ posts right after.
Anyway I know I'm town, and I have read Grey several times and never thought anything but town.
And I got Recktown when I read Reck. And Fate and Dram are probably town too,
but if they aren't they're scum with Emp since you guys wanted to lynch Dram.

P. Edit: I meant the Trag post right before the vote one.


Whee scum counterwagoning hooheehaa

:goodposting:

[xRECKONERx]

Well.um....


...no I didn't.

Sorries.

Btw. we're still town.

And out.

DON'T YOU PULL THIS POST-LYNCH LYING ABOUT YOUR ALIGNMENT BULLSHIT

[xRECKONERx]

I'll wait for a mod flip

[xRECKONERx]

_ / _ _ _ / _ _ A _ / _ _ _ _ _ _

E

[xRECKONERx]

S

[xRECKONERx]

I SEE DEAD PEOPLE

[xRECKONERx]

_ _ _ _ _ _ _

[xRECKONERx]

A _ _ _ _ _ _

[xRECKONERx]

GOD DAMMIT HOW DID YOU GUYS FIGURE THAT OUT SO QUICK

[xRECKONERx]

mod flip mod flip mod flip

[xRECKONERx]

FUCKING SHIT.

[xRECKONERx]

Order of likely scum:
ZitoTrag
LlamaAsh
GreyDemon
FateDram
ReckMastin

The fact that literally everyone except me has expressed interest in a GreyICE lynch makes me think he's conftown as I don't believe in scum bussing at this juncture.
Dram is still town, and Fate only strengthens that.

Which leads me to believe that it's Zito/Trag + Llama/Ash, but I need to do some isos before I put down a vote.

[xRECKONERx]

I'M NOT SCUM FATE
JESUS H CHRIST THIS IS REVENGE FOR ADVANCED WARS MAFIA ISN'T IT

GREY ISN'T SCUM YOU DUMBFUCK IF YOU REALLY THINK WE BUDDIED THAT HARD ALL GAME THEN LOL YOU

[xRECKONERx]

YOU KNOW WHAT ME BEING SURE OF MY READS HAS DONE SO FAR THIS GAME?
JACK. SHIT.

SO YES, I'M GOING TO RECONSIDER

HOW ABOUT IF I FLIP SCUM AND YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU CAN PUNCH ME IN THE MOUTH
BUT WHEN I DON'T AND I'M TOWN, I GET TO HIT YOU IN THE FACE

[xRECKONERx]

You're in your fucking RAGETUNNEL right now and all you can see is Greyscum, which means I'm the only LOGICAL choice to be his partner. I get that.

But take your fucking capsrage blinders off and look around for a moment and CONSIDER that Grey isn't scum.

[xRECKONERx]

Huh, one or two of Grey/Reck/Dram is scum...

Reck.... YOU ARE A FUCKING SCUM BAG AREN"T YOU?


YOU KEEP DEFENDING GREY AND DANCING AROUND HIM


WELL NO

FUCKING

MORE.

VOTE: GREYICE

I SWEAR TO ALL THINGS ONCE HE FLIPS SCUM I WILL HAVE DRAM TURN ON YOU.

FOR THE SCUMFUCK YOU ARE.

"HURR DURR LALAMA ASH/ZITO"

NO.

YOUVE BEEN PUSHIN THAT EMPTY LYNCH ALL GODDAMN GAME AND YOU KNOW WHY?

OH YEAH, CAUSE HE SUSPECTED YOU.

CLASSIC RECK SCUM.

INB4LLAMARBLE HAMMERS TOWN TODAY FOR THE SCUM VICTORY

[xRECKONERx]

AND THIS IS FUNNY

"WHEN I FLIP TOWN"


OH SO THE GAME DOESNT END WHEN GREY IS LYNCHED DOES IT?

BECAUSE YOU KNOW HES SCUM AND YOURE NEXT

LOL

SCUM. FUCKING. SLIP. CAUGHT

DRAM

GET IN HERE

SEE THE FUCKING LIGHT.

how the FUCK is that a scumslip

[xRECKONERx]

DRAM

GET IN HERE

SEE THE FUCKING LIGHT.

WHAT are you trying to do here?
Do you want him to VOTE ME? Because getting him to "see the light" WHEN HE ALREADY WANTS TO VOTE GREYICE PER YESTERDAY'S RHETORIC is fucking LOLWUT

[xRECKONERx]

oh. so your vote IS on grey

[xRECKONERx]

I like your Reck hate but I has a question.

"OH HEY THERE FATE YOU SETTIN' UP A SEXY MISLYNCH AT LYLO FOR ME? THX BRO"
^ paraphrase

[xRECKONERx]

FATE YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THIS FUCKING GAME FOR TOWN IF YOU LYNCH GREY TODAY

[xRECKONERx]

because Dram is playing DRAMTOWN and Fate is just being stupid ragetunnel town
He's not trying to lead anyone blindly, he's actually arguing AGAINST people, which is a Fatetell (see: Andrius's recently modded game for Fatescum leading the blind)

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah but it's Fate & dram, my two favorite people to meta

[xRECKONERx]

Plus Fate has been blissfully unware of his own scummeta until just now so yeah

[xRECKONERx]

I know a super secret Fatetell which he has not committed either way yet.

PROOF OF KNOWELDGE OF TELL
TELL HAS BECOME MORE OBVIOUS

[xRECKONERx]

So far today you, me, and Zito have actually said anything.
It's time to slow down baby, it's LyLo

[xRECKONERx]

Fate
I said you should replace in.
Now, if I was scum trying to get you to replace in to manipulate you, why would I do that, when I already have dram wrapped around my finger?

BECAUSE I'M NOT SCUM
I'M TOWN AND I WANTED ANOTHER FUCKING GOOD PLAYER IN HERE TO HELP MAKE SENSE OF THIS BULLSHIT

[xRECKONERx]

Thank you for not being as lulzy as your lover.

[xRECKONERx]

Marble remains town.
Ashblade remains town.

RECK YOU'RE CERTAIN THAT DRAM AND FATE ARE TOWN?

Yes.
Fate legitimately believes you're scum, hence him trying to line up the buddy-lynch for tomorrow. Only problem is, he doesn't realize the game ends if you get lynched. And dram is townier than town.

Not sure why Ash/Llamarble are so solid-town for you. I would still be okay with a Zito lynch for today, as every POSSIBLE pairing I see him in makes sense:

Zito/Trag + Llamarble/Ashblade
Zito/Trag + GreyICE/DemonHybrid
Zito/Trag + Fate/Dramonic

Even if I was wrong about Grey or Fate/Dram, Zito fits perfectly with every one. Whereas, I can't make sense of other pairings, like:

GreyICE/DemonHybrid + Fate/Dramonic (lolno. Fate/Dram have been hardcore pushing for a Grey lynch for days now, that isn't bussing)
GreyICE/DemonHybrid + Llamarble/Ashblade (meh, I guess this could work, since Grey has been calling them town)

Fate/Dramonic + Llamarble/Ashblade (I'd need to read more into this one, because uh, this one just seems way too fucking random... it would mean that scum made literally no power plays the entire game and every other team was town just screaming at each other the whole time)

[xRECKONERx]

Then who is scum, Trag?

[xRECKONERx]

Seriously don't run away.
I want a response. Now.

Who is the scumteam and how does it work that way?

[xRECKONERx]

Where is your vote right now?

[xRECKONERx]

Well, there goes the explanation for a Grey/Zito scumteam. Trag suspects Llamarble & Grey are a team, but votes for the wagon with no votes on it.

Zito & Fate's interactions yesterday could be buddying.

I need to hear what Zito thinks on Tragedy's vote.

[xRECKONERx]

I was thinking that too.

[xRECKONERx]

Well, a quick skim of Zito's iso shows that he thinks Llamarble is town.

[xRECKONERx]

So Zito's on the PROTECT OUR BUDDY side of things and Tragedy's on the HALFWAY BUS OUR BUDDY side of things.

inb4 the QT is like "Tragedy, vote Llamarble until I show up and convince you to vote GreyICE"

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah, fuck this shit.

Vote: Tragedy

The only pairing that I'm willing to believe is Trag/Zito & Llamarble/Ashblade. On the off-chance I'm wrong about dram or GreyICE, Trag/Zito fit better in that pairing than anyone else. Grey/Dram IS NOT a team, there's no way.

[xRECKONERx]

What?

You're damn right I am, because Grey is town, and your vote on Llamarble is lulzy.

[xRECKONERx]

The only thing I am sure of is that Dram is town, and Grey has been giving me townvibes the whole game.

Ergo, Zito + Llama.

And even if I'm wrong on one of Dram or Grey (which I'm not), that still gives a 50% chance of hitting their buddy.