His rambling is giving me scummy vibes.
Grey voting NL is a nulltell, btw.
~Pie
May I ask why you unvoted, yet didn't re-vote, even though "we have prime scumspects"? You even listedC-Worl wrote:Oh and
Unvote
No need for my original joke vote to remain when we have prime scumspects coming out of the wood work now.
So you're scum waiting to see which bandwagon forms first. Good to know.C-Worl wrote:Haven't decided which of the two I think is more scum yet.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:May I ask why you unvoted, yet didn't re-vote, even though "we have prime scumspects"? You even listedC-Worl wrote:Oh and
Unvote
No need for my original joke vote to remain when we have prime scumspects coming out of the wood work now.yourtwo suspects in the post before this... seems odd to unvote instead of changing your vote to one of them.
~Pie
So you're scum waiting to see if the Pine wagon keeps up or dies down. Again, good to know.C-Worl wrote:No, if that were true I would've voted Pine who had 3 votes on him at the time. I'm legit giving them a chance to respond before I vote.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:
So you're scum waiting to see which bandwagon forms first. Good to know.
Unvote, Vote: C-Worl
~Pie
Can I call you newbscum, then?C-Worl wrote:Will people stop calling menewbtown, idiot town, and village idiot. IT really hurts my feelings. I'm at least trying out here.
C-Worl wrote:Yeah, because I'm the one that got pissed that people suddenly started changing their votes just because Mastah Calcifer said so, that makes me scum. Honestly, you people are sheep.
...although this really makes me want to change my vote back to C-Worl again.C-Worl wrote:Ya know, at this point I'm pretty sure all mighty Calcifer would derail any of my other scumspects so whatevs.
Vote: Friend
You know, if it wasn't for the fact that scum wouldn't obviously defend their mates so damn hard even on D1 (thus [Calc or Grey] + [Pine] are unlikely as a scumteam), this would really seem suspicious... Actually, this post reads weird to me evenPine wrote:Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.
Holy deflection, Batman. There goes my leaning town read.Friend wrote:Because being wagoned for something I don't understand is frustrating as all hell,especially when there's so many more scummy people around me.
Because town and scum alike vote NL as a way of getting out of RVS (someone votes them for voting NL, and then other people vote THOSE people...). It was worth a mention that Grey's vote was indeed a nulltell. It was the only thing that really stuck out at the time, so I brought it up. I'm more curious as to why you're asking why I'm giving my reads - more information helps the town, does it not?nhammen wrote:Did you really have to make sure we knew that you found Grey's vote to be a nulltell? Why?
If that's not just plain silly, then I don't know what silly means. It's not as bad as silver's 154/ISO 13, but still.C-Worl wrote:@Calcifer If you're not going to explain your list then I will.
As scum you're posting a fake list. The list of town includes your scum buddies and a list of random players. It's designed for the town players to see that you think they're town and so they won't question you or the other players on that list. Your list of scum likely includes one real scum so that if you get lynched he'll be safe or if he gets lynched you'll be safe. Therefore I feel inclined to:
Vote: Calcifer
Then how do you suppose we lynch scum in this game? Just sit around with our thumbs up our asses until deadline? That's an even worse idea.Pine wrote:Perhaps someone can enlighten me regarding the merits of continuing to pile onto the Friend wagon? We don't want a speedlynch, and forcing him to roleclaim won't likely help. If he's a town PR, he'll get killed by the scum on N1. If heclaimsa PR, most people will be dissuaded from following through, which will get him off the hook if scum. So...why build the wagon this big nine days out from deadline?
"Sure, the largest bandwagon is scummy, but I want other people to be pressured/voted."Pine wrote:Well, I'm not involved in any of the arguments, and I'd rather move on to investigating others. I'll grant that Friend is the scummiest at this point, but there's plenty of other things to do. Ignoring that and speed-lynching just gives scum a free pass. To do what you're suggesting they'd have to lurksuccessfully
Never thought I'd say this, but... *sigh* ^Empking wrote:Seriously, Calcifer, this guy is town?
I was mostly talking about your recent posts. Observe:silverbullet999 wrote:-TwoHeadedSeriously? I mean... seriously? no joke? are you kidding?Tons of fluff posts and Friend-pushing with not a lot of other content?
silverbullet999 ISO 37 wrote:Friend is the way to go day 1 people......
silverbullet999 ISO 36 wrote:*hides in bunker before the flame war commences*
silverbullet999 ISO 35 wrote:Calcifer's recent string of posts has me say this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV1fUwKMdAI
silverbullet999 ISO 34 wrote:Friend = scum.Perhaps someone can enlighten me regarding the merits of continuing to pile onto the Friend wagon?
silverbullet999 ISO 33 wrote:I feel like hammen threw that in there to spite me...
....
Or maybe he's trying to dissuade the theory because I was correct and he's protecting his scumbuddies?!
silverbullet999 ISO 32 wrote:-nhammen. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .I'm thinkin on that.
You do realize I asked this a couple pages ago and have since been constantly ignored about it... right?Explain what about Wraith's quote was "scummy as hell"
silverbullet999 ISO 31 wrote:
silverbullet999 ISO 30 wrote:*headdesk*
silverbullet999 ISO 29 wrote:Friend... is scummyererer
Only 32 and 33 seem close to content, the rest is, like I said, fluff or baseless Friend-pushing.silverbullet999 ISO 28 wrote:*seconds the Friend wagon*
That's all I had to comment on at the time.nhammen wrote:I'm actually asking why you gave that as a read, but had no other reads.
Like I said in my very first post, his rambling gave me scummy vibes. His posts haven't given me a town vibe at any point in this game, so I've left my vote.nhammen wrote:I was asking why your vote was on Pine. You mentioned him multiple times, but never mentioned any suspicions of him before that post. And you did not give reasons in that post either.
Hey...Friend wrote:Friend wrote: Silverbullet, he's asking questions that people have already asked, he's being vague about the Pine wagon, and he's slightly rolefishing.YOU PEOPLEARE LITERALLY FUCKING ILLITERATE. I AM SO DONE WITH THIS GODDAMN AWFUL TOWN.
^Friend wrote:Isn't that exactly what you're trying to do with this post?Pine wrote:Friend & Empking = scumbuddies?
Smacks of desperately looking for someone to deflect attention onto.
"Here's my experience - with a disclaimer that excuses any bad/scummy play."Pine wrote:I've played a few games on forums, and I learned in a big damn hurry that most of the skills I'd honed in live games were utterly useless in this medium, such as reading body language, analyzing tone and inflection, and straight-up looking people in the eye and asking them blunt questions. Despite that, I've done a lot of research on the Mafiascum wiki on theory, though I'm sure there are some gaps in my ad hoc education.
Casts suspicion on Calcifer, then even gets over-defensive about it.Pine wrote:@Calcifer: Thanks for the offer of instruction, but no thanks. [snip]. But thanks for the thought, if you are Town.
Note that that's not a FOS, per se, just wariness. We can talk after this game about our apparently-similar styles.
I dislike people providing their own specific games for meta reasons. I shouldn't have to elaborate why. But while I'm here, Pine, care to give a direct link to this offsite game? I can't find it.Pine wrote:This provides some solid information that can be fact-checked against the player's history where applicable (i.e. go to my Newbie thread, you'll see the same play style there, and same on the Myth-weavers.com Game 4A, wherein I was a Cop.)
Actually, if anything, giving townreads with explanation is more scummy. /theoryPine wrote:For that matter, asserting that an individual is Town or probably Town without backing it up, or defending anyone without obvious reasons this early in the game, is just as suspicious.
Pine wrote:As much as I can understand fucking with someone's head, a No Lynch vote is just...I'm not sure there's a good word for it. Given the explanation, I'm inclined to not think it as scummy as I would otherwise, but...No Lynch isn't a good thing for Town.
Remember how I said he could fall back on his playstyle disclaimer later to excuse his scummy play?Pine wrote:@ConfidAnon: The intent behind my "wall post" was to address and analyze as much as I could at that point. This has served me very well in the past, even in live games, where I have been known to sit silent for half the discussion time and then conduct a point-by-point dissection of what's been said. It is clear to me that this adaptation of live strategy is not being received well in this crowd, and I'm now scrambling to adjust to water that is suddenly over my head.
Pine wrote:@GreyICE: 1) Did you really think I thought you were Mastin? No, but as noted above, I was under the mistaken impression that responding to everything was a good idea.
Seems pretty serious to me.Pine wrote:I am not Mastin. Correlation does not imply causality.GreyICE wrote:P.P.S. If that was a short wall from Pine, I say we report him to the moderator, Mastin is running two accounts. My god man, take a minute or two and edit your post down into something that makes sense. I've been diagnosed with ADD, that doesn't mean you have to inflict rambling wallposts on the world
Pine wrote:TL;DR: I've gone from being a big fish in a small pond to medium at best in a big pond. Stuff that's been effective for me in the past no longer is. I'm going to scale back the aggressiveness of my style, and would like you all to cut me a small but reasonable amount of slack. I'm going to try and pipe down a bit for the next day or two, and figure out how to appropriately integrate. I'm not going to do anyone any good by getting lynched on Day One for not knowing how to play with the big kids.
TwoHeadedBoy wrote:Remember how I said he could fall back on his playstyle disclaimer later to excuse his scummy play?
Pine wrote:There aren't many (good) reasons for Town to put up unsubstantiated lists like that, but a big one is to seewho gets defensive or overly concerned about fingers waved in their general direction.
e_ePine wrote:Spoiler: In my defense
This just screams artificial-ness.Pine wrote:Calcifer, GreyICE, kindly stop buddying up to me so hard. My vote can't be bought by defending me, and I'll damn well defend myself when necessary. Plus, you make all of us look scummy when you do it.
Pine wrote:Perhaps someone can enlighten me regarding the merits of continuing to pile onto the Friend wagon? We don't want a speedlynch, and forcing him to roleclaim won't likely help.
Pine wrote:I'll grant that Friend is the scummiest at this point, but there's plenty of other things to do.
Pine wrote:We can come back to Friend at any time, he's not going anywhere.
Does anyone else see what I'm seeing here?Pine wrote:And pushing for a speed lynch [on Friend] is a great way to be anti-Town while not appearing it.
Keep in mind his vote's on Friend at this point. And he's casting suspicion on those voting for him.Pine wrote:So, are people willing to pursue other options, with Friend as our backup in the case others don't present themselves? Or are you all committed to finishing Friend off now?
I thought you didn't want a speedlynch?Pine wrote:If we're going with Friend, let's get it over. If not, then let's keep him on the back burner and look at someone else.
Speaking of deflection...Pine wrote:Friend & Empking = scumbuddies?
Smacks of desperately looking for someone todeflect attentiononto.
Pine wrote:There's a clear least common denominator there.Friend wrote:Because I'm pissed the fuck off. This is exactly what happened in Succession Mafia. Lynch me now please.Clever to point out a game with a similar situation where you flipped Town, though.
...Pine wrote:This provides some solid information that can be fact-checked against the player's history where applicable (i.e. go to my Newbie thread, you'll see the same play style there, and same on the Myth-weavers.com Game 4A, wherein I was a Cop.)
Defending AND casting suspicion? Atta boy, scum!Pine wrote:WTF does that mean, C-Worl? He answered the questions, though belatedly and not very satisfactorily.
He recently has casted suspicion on Friend, Empking, and C-Worl, as I've shown above. Funny, this is.Pine wrote:And you're just feeding into it. Friend knows he's going down,C-Worl wrote:That's what I mean by playing hardball. He's making us run around in circles to get information out of him and he's mad at us for not listening.and probably doing his best to get as many people looking suspicious before going down and muddy the waters.And he's doing a good job, too. So stop helping him.
"You're right, but I'm going to call you scummy so I can join either bandwagon when they pick up."Pine wrote:@Hiraki: I ISO'd Calcifer like you suggested, and you're right, I spotted a few scummy things I had missed when they were spread out. However, I also noticed that at Calc's last town/scum rundown, he had DLG pegged as scum. Considering that you inherited DLG's role and are just now reading those accusations, I wonder whether they hit a bit close to the mark. Especially as you solidified your case against Calc at around the same time you read them.
So the result of ISOing Calc was to drop both you and him from a Townie read to neutral at best.
evilpacman18 wrote:Pie said he was looking through his iso. I would normally consider that scummy.
I TOLD YOU I'D START POSTING.THB wrote:P.S. - I dunno if this is even technically a hydra since Fugi's made like one post. :U
Friend is scummier. C-Worl's two posts after mine have rubbed me the wrong way though. I'd still rather a Friend lynch at this moment.Hiraki wrote:Fugi. Explain why C-Whorl shouldn't die then.
No case provided, no hammer provided
I'M GOING TO ASSUME THIS IS THE GREYICE HEADIceyCupcake wrote:I'm gonna sussinctly reply to this: Balls.
IT'S DAY ONE YOU DOUCHE CANOEIceyCupcake wrote:I DON'T WANNA LYNCH PINE. CALCIFER HAS UNVERIFIED POTENTIALLY PR RELATED INFORMATION ON HIM.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:I WANT THOUGHTS ON MY PINE CASE
~Pie
H8Jerbs wrote:I think pine is scum, but lets follow what Calc said.
I like this post. Speaking of defending, I'm also becoming increasingly suspicious of Hiraki, even though I'm pseudo-defending Friend as well for trying to get a wagon on Pine. Difference is, I have a nullread on Friend (with Fugi having a scumread).Friend wrote:Pine's scum. Don't trust the people defending me - they know how I'm gonna flip. Easy town cred when I do.
andC-Worl wrote:So we're either lynching scum or we're getting rid of an unneeded role anyway.
Don't get me wrong, being VT sucks.
particularly this one, are what I'm talking about. I mentioned it last night but I want to quote them tonight for emphasis. Keeping an eye on him for now.C-Worl wrote:Why should I get lynched? I haven't done anything wrong (that I know of)
Friend wrote:Too lazy.
ConfidAnon is probscum. THB is too. Calcifer is iffy.
silverbullet999 wrote:So from rank for you it'd be
1. Pine
2. Confid / THB
3. Calc
?
From my experience this kind of apathy in this situation is a scum-tell. He seems to know his reads won't be taken seriously after his flip. That's the main reason I care to replace my vote on Friend and want to see him lynched.Friend wrote:Sure.
Which I slightly regret.TwoHeadedBoy - Fugi wrote:Pie, however, just left to go to a party because of his lolsociallife
FUCK YOU, ZOMBIEGreyICE wrote:...TwoHeadedBoy wrote:IT'S DAY ONE YOU DOUCHE CANOEIceyCupcake wrote:I DON'T WANNA LYNCH PINE. CALCIFER HAS UNVERIFIED POTENTIALLY PR RELATED INFORMATION ON HIM.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:I WANT THOUGHTS ON MY PINE CASE
~Pie
BRAINS
AGar wrote:But yeah, as long as the "OMG NO!" bickering leaves the thread, we're good
Oh, that's where my Pinewagon went. e_eCalcifer wrote:I'm still working on the wall. But a tl;dr of what the wall will be?
I'm so convinced Pine is town, that I swear,if Pine is scum,. I'm dead-serious.I will retire from Mafiaforeverunder the name of Mastin--that's right; I'm so confident that if I am wrong,I will NEVER make another post, not in a game, not even in MD, completely abandoning the site for an eternity
Who here is that sure Pine is scum?
'Cause I'm that sure, THAT confident, that Pine is town. And will write the Wall to prove it, too.
I made a case on you yesterday, so it's not like I'm blatantly bandwagoning. When I feel like doing mafia-work (between WoW and Pokemon and other shit, I've been lazy), I'll dissect your recent posts.Pine wrote:Curiously, there's been almost nothing new mentioned against me in over a dozen pages, which leads me to think that the people constantly wagoning on me are either scum or afflicted with tunnel vision. THB (Pie) a good example. He decided I was scum within the first couple pages, and hasn't reconsidered it since, despite being attached to Fugitive.
Parama wrote:Jerbs wrote:Vote: Pine
He's scumMost awkward scum-scum interaction I've seen in a while. Props to you two. d(''d)Pine wrote:...I am stunned and impressed by your concise and well-considered post, Jerbs. Bravo.This pretext is hilarious. "HERE'S MY CASE, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT GONNA KEEP PUSHING IT!"Jerbs wrote:easons I think Pine is scum (I'll back off him because of what Calcifer said tho)Uh... and?Jerbs wrote:I say we let Pine live today, as Calcifer seems so sure he's town.There is literally only one other explanation for this, but I don't exactly want to even hint at it atm.Jerbs wrote:I think pine is scum, but lets follow what Calc said.What about "As said by me, Jerbs, yesterday"?Jerbs wrote:Vote: Pine
As said by everyone else
diddin wrote:^Shit like this is why Jerbs should be lynched. Also, look how he's using any means he can to avoid voting Pine while still having a scumread on him.Jerbs wrote:I think pine is scum, but lets follow what Calc said.
ConfidAnon wrote:Very minimal content - Only ever talks about Pine. Even unvotes Pine in the post immediately following his most substantial one - which was a case saying Pine was scum. Also, it seems the only player he's ever even spoken of was Pine. He backs off of Pine only because Calcifer says Pine is Town, and then when Day 2 comes just votes Pine again. The inconsistency and the very small activity combine to from a scum read.
C-Worl wrote:Jerbs hasn't said anything worth value in this whole game, which is a lot like several other players here.
Pine wrote:Then again:An explanation, in a big damn hurry, would be appropriate, Jerbs. At that time, there were four votes on you, and not a peep?Jerbs' User Profile wrote:Last visited: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:22 pm
THIS IS JERBS:nhammen wrote:Can people not see how scummy this guy is?Jerbs wrote:Vote: Pine
As said by everyone else
Seriously? Are you his buddy?Antihero wrote:Rationale for Jerbs would be awesome.
~PieJerbs wrote:I'm a VT
You're implying we consulted... hence "Nevermind".Pine wrote:Well, that's hammer, I guess. Short consultation.
~PieEmpking wrote:That's not moving. See you in 72 hours.
Just one head. I still don't endorse this vote.Pine wrote:Oh hey! THB's going for two mislynches in a row!
¯\(°_o)/¯nhammen wrote:The other thing, I would like Fugi to explain WHY IN THE HECK he hammered after day had been open for just over 48 hours!! I cannot see why this hammer makes any sense from a town perspective. Until I get that explanation (and probably after), I will
VOTE: TwoHeaded
diddin wrote:Guess who died last night!Parama wrote:I changed my mind. EPM dies tomorrow.
FoS EPM
Of course you were.Pine wrote:In all fairness to THB, I was getting ready to hammer too.
Oh my God, I think Pine is scum too but this is TERRIBLE REASONING.C-Worl wrote:Vote: Pine
He
s highly condescending and hypocritical. Also, so many people have claimed him to be town that I generally want to lynch him just to see how he flips.
"I'm gonna HoS but not vote because I'm waiting to see which wagon builds first." - is what this looks like to me. Yeah, I'm alright with moving my vote off Pine for now.C-Worl wrote:Unvote
Honestly, he's probably not scum (as much as I hate to admit it) his wagon built up quickly day 2, that really only effectively happens when scum are busing it, and that quickly at the beginning of the day indicates that scum were probably busing. Also, if Calcifer is scum I doubt he'd blatantly defend a scum buddy like this. Pine is probably random townie that Calcifer decided to defend for brownie points.
FOS: Calcifer, Hiraki, and Silver
Calcifer for every single post he's made in this thread.
Hiraki for justifying lynches before and after the flips in order to distance.
Silver for lack of content except when pressured which is where he tunneled on the one who applied said pressure.
Good Pie, you're finally catching on. Didn't even have to yell at your via IRC for you to finally see the light.TwoHeadedBoy wrote:Oh my God, I think Pine is scum too but this is TERRIBLE REASONING.Unvote, Vote: C-Worl.
~Pie
So you're appealing to the reason everyone found you suspicious? What were the reasons you dropped your suspicion?C-Worl wrote:If you noticed I dropped all my suspicions of Pine. You're ALL full of fail and it saddens me that you're going to give scum an easy win with the way things have been going.
Hardcore overreaction, bro. Especially with someone namedevilpacman18 wrote:My initials are not freaking EMP. It's EPM. Not that hard.
I don't think I've played with Mastin. But I believe I have played with Nacho in a game or two.evilpacman18 wrote:Calc, have either of you ever played with Pie before?
silverbullet999 wrote:lastly what "oh shit" reaction... my counterattacks on attacks?
~3.14silverbullet999 wrote:rom was the better way to go me thinks