130.Mirror Mafia - Game Over

[hohum]

Vote, Pine

[hohum]

Oh, and hello to you too, hohum. Want to actually read the thread before you vote? Or are you still buttsore from being manipulated in [Redacted]?

Thump your chest. I couldn't possibly have a reason for browbeating you this game or anything.

[hohum]

I don't need to be fully caught up to know we should be lynching pine instead of thor.

Thank you.

That is all.

[hohum]

EBWOP: but I am working on it.

[hohum]

Awww, hohum really is buttsore.

Narcissism is quite unbecoming of a gentleman.

I was reading the thread prior to requesting that I be replaced in. I'm not all the way through yet but you're quite glaringly scum at this juncture.

I've noticed that you haven't bothered to ask me why I plopped my vote down. You'd simply rather laugh at me, resort to ad-hom attacks and bring in irrelevant meta from an on-going game.

You've got a big fucking guilty sign around your neck.

[hohum]

You voted

three minutes

after entering the thread. Who in their right mind would think it a serious vote?

Since it allegedly is, then yes. Explain it

Well until I've finished gathering my thoughts why don't we start with the shit you've pulled since I got here.

See above.

Also, you're backing off on the thor lynch is scummy as hell. Why wouldn't you want to lynch scum so close to deadline? You're stalling on a wagon you've been pushing for a number of pages now. Didn't think his wagon would gain any steam?

[hohum]

The only thing really making Duplicity look better to me is Pine's attack on him just now, which probably does show I'm tunneling at this stage, but whatevs.

Translation: Ohshit, I'm going to take my last scumbuddy down with me.

Obvious strawman is obvious.

[hohum]

What? I'm not backing off on the Thor lynch. As soon as you've posted your reads, my vote's going right back on. Pay attention.

I am paying attention, we're on borrowed time and you removed your vote.

Forcing me to post bad reads isn't going to stop an inevitable lynch, unless you think I'm going to say something that's going to magically refocus 13 people's attention on a different person in what is probably a tad more than 48 hours left.

reading 50 pages is no small task and I'm not going to kill myself catching up in this game so that you won't be able to use me as an excuse to stall a lynch which you claim to have such a solid read on.

[hohum]

That's right pine. The universe revolves around you.

Are you really so conceited that you think you're worthy enough of my time to stalk you from thread to thread over some silly posts in another game?

Get over yourself dude.

[hohum]

@mod

What happens if we don't reach a lynch consensus in the next 24 hours? Do we forfeit our lynch?

[hohum]

@mod

What happens if we don't reach a lynch consensus in the next 24 hours? Do we forfeit our lynch?

yes.

*sigh*

Unvote, Vote, thor

As much as I'd rather stand on principle here not lynching anyone at all would be much worse than not lynching pine.

Let's get on with it

[hohum]

Guess what, folks? We have an easy day.

I tracked Haylen to Duplicity.

Discuss. VOTE: Haylen

lolwut?

Mirror Mafia?

Claimed Tracker?

No....

Vote, Pine

[hohum]

I'm starting to think all three sides have similar roles. In which case, Black Mafia have a Tracker and Watcher unaccounted for, Reds have a GF and goon left, and there's a very quiet Town Watcher. Masons are perhaps the mirror of Godfather, and VTs the mirror of Goons.

WIFOM *facepalm*

Regardless, Haylen is caught scum. Why aren't you voting for her? To supplement this, she's been scummy all game.

PE: Oh hey! And she doesn't try to use any logic to dispute it, just says "lolno, die quick before the wagon on me grows."

Listen closely. You claimed tracker.

What did duplicity flip?

Nice scumslip there.

[hohum]

@Hohum: Nice job not reading my post, asshat. I think all three sides have a Tracker because I'm Town.

Oh well when you put it like that how could I have EVER doubted you! I must be a total retard or something!? Please sir can you EVER forgive such an embarrassing lapse in judgment!?

[hohum]

I don't really see why we shouldn't lynch Haylen today. If she is town, then we can lynch Pine the next day.

Vote: Haylen

No.

Confirmed tracker flip == scum<->mucs == tekcart demiaC

MIRROR MAFIA<->AIFAM RORRIM

What's more likely? There's 3 trackers in this game or Pine is lying.

It's not that fucking hard guys. We should be lynching pine.

[hohum]

EBWOP: Confirmed tracker flip == scum<->mucs == rekcart demialC

[hohum]

Hohum has barely produced anything so far, but he replaces in at the tail is D3 and D4 was very short. I'd like to hear content from him before I judge.

I'm tired of wasting energy. You're scum. I'm just going to leave this here

Vote: pine

I'll be back before prod time.

[hohum]

I don't really see why we shouldn't lynch Haylen today. If she is town, then we can lynch Pine the next day.

Vote: Haylen

No.

Confirmed tracker flip == scum<->mucs == tekcart demiaC

MIRROR MAFIA<->AIFAM RORRIM

What's more likely? There's 3 trackers in this game or Pine is lying.

It's not that fucking hard guys. We should be lynching pine.

Hohum, what did you mean when you said this? I'm not really getting the "Confirmed tracker flip == scum<->mucs == tekcart demiaC" part.

It's not that hard really. Duplicity flipped tracker, pine claimed tracker. Do you really think it's very likely that there are 2 scum aligned trackers AND a town aligned tracker in this game?

[hohum]

Also for everyone going OMG TOWNPINE right now because of the haylen lynch keep in mind there are two scum factions and scum have just as much of an incentive to scum hunt as town do in a setup like this.

[hohum]

Really? Then why aren't you scumhunting?

I am. You're scum. Try to keep up here.

[hohum]

Pointing a finger at one person over and over without providing new reasoning and ignoring all others does not constitute scumhunting

It does when you've found scum.

[hohum]

Hohum has barely produced anything so far, but he replaces in at the tail is D3 and D4 was very short. I'd like to hear content from him before I judge.

I'm tired of wasting energy. You're scum. I'm just going to leave this here

Vote: pine

I'll be back before prod time.

<_< What is with these people in my games who go, "THIS GUY IS SCUM. VOTE" Then doesn't explain shit to the rest of us.
v-v im glad where my vote is.

I've been explaining shit for 2 days. I can't help it you're not paying attention.

[hohum]

Bunnylover is clearly the other living scum.

[hohum]

@pine: see above

[hohum]

EBWOP: 1345, not 1346

[hohum]

Bub is

redscum

What makes you think he isn't blackscum

FFS WHY ISN'T ANYONE ELSE CATCHING THESE SCUMSLIPS

[hohum]

Bub is

redscum

What makes you think he isn't blackscum

FFS WHY ISN'T ANYONE ELSE CATCHING THESE SCUMSLIPS CAN WE PLEASE FUCKING LYNCH PINE ALREADY

[hohum]

time for this day to end. you can lynch me tomorrow for this if you like.

unvote, vote bob

[hohum]

I meant

vote bub

of course

[hohum]

P.S. I've long given up on this game so I would welcome a lynch.

[hohum]

mutipost

[hohum]

I'm all for a massclaim. I'm the town cop and I've gotten two guilty results so far. 1) Pine (IE me pushing so hard for his lynch) and 2) Twistedspoon.

Let's win this game guys.

Vote Twistedspoon

[hohum]

N1: lon67 Investigates Nocmen, result: Not Guilty
N2: lon67 Investigates Calcifer, result: Not Guilty
N3: hohum investigates Pine, result: Guilty
N4: hohum investigates Bunnylover, result: Not Guilty
N5: hohum investigates Twistedspoon, result: Guilty

[hohum]

Alright, I'm ready to hammer. (The only problem is, if the teams are mirrored, and twistedspoon obviously not going to flip godfather, that leaves nocmen as a potential mafia godfather, or ctorj I suppose)

hohum, you are probably going to die in the night, so we might as well get your reads out now. What are your thoughts between nocmen and ctorj?

Unfortunately I don't have reads on the remaining players. All of my confirmed townies with the exception of Nocmen have been killed off and I spent 2 whole game days prior to this trying to convince you idiots to lynch Pine, so I'm probably going to have to defer to Nocmen here.

[hohum]

I'll try to use what day time I have left to do some thread spelunking.

[hohum]

I'm not sure how you thought claiming miller was going to save you. The correct move is always to lynch the investigated miller to verify the cop's sanity.

Someone please hammer.

[hohum]

Just a quick hint for those who aren't really following along: My sanity has already been verified with the pine lynch, and I highly doubt Nocmen will flip scum.

[hohum]

EBWOP: pine flip...

[hohum]

BTW if you were really the miller, spoon, why didn't you claim all the way back on D1 so that you could be investigated at the beginning of the game? Miller is basically a throw-away roll. If you really are the miller you just lost this game for us. Worst.. Miller.. Play.. Ever..

[hohum]

?

I breadcrumbed and I can prove I'm a miller

If i can prove I'm a miller what's the problem?

I've already said you can do what you like with me tommorow if we lynch ctorj today

and claiming miller d1 would have been sucidial. You try it next time you're a miller

You clearly don't understand the purpose of the role you're fakeclaiming. The miller is supposed to be lynched to confirm the cop's sanity. That's precisely why the miller is supposed to claim on D1.

Someone please hammer this scum.

[hohum]

and I highly doubt Nocmen will flip scum.

ctroj is the blackscum
nocmen is probably the redscum godfather

2) you got correct results so far

Clearly you're too concerned with self-preservation to read the thread.

N1: lon67 Investigates Nocmen, result: Not Guilty

You had a chance to be confirmed town on D1. You should have claimed miller. Only scum are concerned with self-preservation. As town you should be honored to sacrifice yourself to confirm the cop's investigation results.

You are not Miller, your are not town.

[hohum]

The problem is you're lying. I'm just going to sit here and work on confirming my reads on Ludi and Ctjor while I'm sitting here waiting for someone to hammer your scummy ass.

[hohum]

now does that sound like a scum tactic to you? letting you lynch me tommorow?

Sure does sound like a scum tactic to me. If we mislynch today there won't be a tomorrow. One last ditch effort by a sad and desperate man. You've been caught dude, admit it.

[hohum]

I'm convinced with Ctorj. Almost certain he's scum, but now it makes sense that he's black.

Vote: Ctorj

You're an idiot. He's lying.

[hohum]

Nocmen: I want you to think closely about what a miller's purpose is.

[hohum]

hohum: Do you think ctorj is town? Right now regardless of what Twisted is, I see ctorj as scum. The fact that we get a bonus by letting him help possibly confirm twisted makes it even better to lynch him today in my eyes.

The correct move is always to lynch confirmed scum, especially this close to the end of the game. You didn't listen to me about Pine and you were wrong, now you're still not going to listen to me and lynch ctorj over someone who is currently actively calling you scummy.

We're going to lose this game if ctorj flips town bro. It's as simple as that. I'd rather lynch

CONFIRMED SCUM

so that you guys have tomorrow to work the issue out.

[hohum]

Just in case I'm not making myself abundantly clear he's

NOT

the miller. He's lying, it's a gambit to keep himself alive another day.

[hohum]

this thread needs more spoon lynching.

[hohum]

@Tasky: I think Ctorj is due for a prod. If you need to replace him then you also need to extend the ridiculously short deadline you gave us

[hohum]

whyyyy

why do you refuse to answer my question

Shut up and self-vote, scum.

[hohum]

no

answer my question

In case you haven't already figured it out you're wasting your breath asking me for anything scum. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. It would be completely pointless, as you're pretty much already confirmed scum in my reads.

[hohum]

What if I also said I wanted you to answer his question?

It doesn't matter what I say to you. I see where your vote is so it seems as if you've already made up your mind. I'm not going to waste effort trying to convince you to make the right decision when you've spent the entire game so far ignoring me -- even after I've already been proven right once.

[hohum]

Now you're just being stubborn and arrogant with your role.

Who is being stubborn and arrogant? You're risking a loss by pushing for a ctorj lynch, on the off-chance that you're correct about your read on him. You're tunneling him, whereas I have a confirmed guilty result on scum.

So yeah, fuck you too, bro.

[hohum]

Enough has been said already over six days. I just want to hear from ctorj. Seriously.

That's not going to happen so you need to make a fucking decision or we're not going to get a lynch.

[hohum]

I want to lynch twisted but we need another vote.

Follow?

You should throw your vote on spoon then on the off-chance that ctorj is lurking and hasn't flaked. If ctorj were to swoop in at the last moment and say, hammer at that point then we might still be able to salvage this game.

[hohum]

@ctorj: you have a chance to redeem yourself.
@nocmen: You have an opportunity to save this game.

One of the two of you please, please hammer this scum.

[hohum]

tl;dr:

faking investigation results isn't cool. Somehow it worked though.

You're right spoon, faking the investigation result was a gamble; however my read on you was pretty fucking solid. Here was the post that gave it away, fyi spoon. You need to be more careful in the future about this kind of stuff.

and I highly doubt Nocmen will flip scum.

ctroj is the blackscum
nocmen is probably the redscum godfather

You made the same mistake that Pine made. You assigned colors to your "reads" and that is a dead give away. You might as well hang a sign around your neck that says "I'm scum and I have inside knowledge of the setup"

Calling me town pretty much the entire game was really what made me suspicious to begin with. It's like you knew for a fact I am town (which is obvious now in hindsight). If I had picked up on that tell earlier I might not have had to go to such extremes to get you lynched but again I was tunneling on pine because I had a legit guilty on pine

I knew nocmen wasn't going to listen to me unless he had a compelling reason to so I gave him one.

I flaked during the night because I had a really busy weekend. I wasn't able to get back within the 72 hour time frame to submit an investigation request to the mod so I had no investigation result for Night 5; however, all the previous investigation results that I posted are accurate. I doubt I'll live through the night now but I'm going to take a shot at investigating ctorj anyways.

[hohum]

just look at ctorj's last post. I think he's town

But whatever, It's your call

Well we know nocmen is confirmed town. So that leaves only ctorj and ludi. It doesn't matter who I investigate because a result on one of them will confirm the other.

That is of course assuming that I live long enough to reveal the result.

I realize my cop play has been less than stellar in this game but I've been right every step of the way so far.

[hohum]

*blink*

I'm not sure what happened but leaving me alive was the stupidest move ever.

My best guess is ctorj thought he was going to get lynched yesterday so he stopped paying attention to the thread.

I investigated Ludi last night and got a not guilty, which means ctorj is confirmed scum.

Vote, ctorj

FTW

[hohum]

oh and on that note

@Nocmen I do owe you an apology. I did browbeat you into voting the way I wanted you to vote because I didn't trust your reads. If I had backed off yesterday and let you do what you wanted to do we would still have won the game and you guys would be lynching spoon right now. I'm sorry.

[hohum]

[hohum]

and no I don't think the game was unbalanced, considering the high amount mislynches you guys were allowed (it's evening 7 as I type this) combined with the high probability of multiple cross-kilsl happening.

[hohum]

Game over, no?

Yes, game over.

[hohum]

but yeah, when Hohum admitted to faking his result on me, that was when you should have stopped trusting him

This.

One of the first things I said in the black scum qt was we aren't going to win this game because of smart scum play but rather dumb town play. I think Ludi and Nocmen were sick of this game by day 7 and I exploited that. I really didn't think my gambit would work.

After I watched Spoon kill Pine I was afraid of a cross-kill. I weighed my options:

1) Let spoon live and help out, hope he kills town, kill him for the win.
2) Claim cop, get a lynch, back-track the flip.

Neither option was very appealing to me but I decided that if black scum can't win this game then no scum should, so I did what I had to do. To my surprise, it worked.

[hohum]

Also someone needs to post the dead QT, the red scum QT and the Mason QT.

Here's the black scum QT. Also pine is a bleeding butthurt little dyke.

Redacted on request, Tasky

[hohum]

how did you figure out there was no cop?

It was pretty obvious 6 days in after so many VT flips that there were no town PRs.

[hohum]

cop could have still been there

The odds were on my side. I really had resigned myself to loosing on Day 6. My only goal was to take you down with me.

[hohum]

EBWOP: Losing. Can't seem to spell today. Lose is what I didn't do this game and Loose is what your mother is.

[hohum]

1: It's my personal belief that more people should read Myk's article on scum behavior. It's buried somewhere in MD, but it's a dang-good article. There's one specific lesson in there which is perhaps some of the best, most golden advice you will ever receive in a game:

@Mastin - shorten the post by 50-75% it will remove the preachy feel and consequently feel less RAAAAAAAAAGE!

Secondary thought - remove most of the absolutes (example below)

1: People need to read Myk's article on scum behavior.

1: I think it would be helpful to read Myk's article on scum behavior.

They don't need to read the article - but it could help. Total difference in tone due to lack of directive nature of comment.

ITT we learn that Mastin plagiarizes his massive walls of text and passes them off as original thought.

[hohum]

BTW after I replaced in I didn't bother reading the game. I just bussed to ultimate victory! The only time I had to read back was when I was trying to come up with a convincing claim.

[hohum]

ITT we learn that Mastin plagiarizes his massive walls of text and passes them off as original thought.

Read further back, Hohum. I made the wall, and it was all me. I read it, thought that--despite my efforts to make it polite--that it sounded rude. I asked for help. Thor gave it. The first statement was what it used to be. (Not exact words, but close.) The second is what Thor thought would sound better. So, I took his advise, and removed as many absolutes as I could. Starting with that one, but I edited the whole wall.

That piece of advice was always there, and Thor wasn't suggesting I add it. He was suggesting I edit it. This is something that you'd realize if you read the whole QT.

You're still annoying

[hohum]

Thanks for modding Tasky. The game was a lot of fun, although I got shot. Thank you for winning the game for us,

Pine and Hohum

town, when I was gone!

Fixed.

[hohum]

Honestly, after Pine wasn't lynched when a) we flipped tracker and b) he claimed to have tracked our own goon to killing us, it was pretty clear the town's bullshit detectors were turned off.

Not only were they turned off but I think someone managed to pepper a few high-powered bullshit acceptors in there somewhere. I mean, I had to bus one scum for 3 days to get him lynched and I had to claim investigation results to get the other lynched (which nearly didn't happen BTW)

[hohum]

This wasn't a win for any faction. Just a lose for the town.

A little bit of posturing from the losing scum team