Mafia 45: Back to Gambits II - Game over!

VisMaior · Post Post #137 (isolation #0) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:52 am

OMG, I missed! Already 6 pages!

VisMaior · Post Post #150 (isolation #1) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:38 pm

Well, it seems I did not missed much.

VisMaior · Post Post #154 (isolation #2) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:20 pm

I was wondering if the Mayor, or anyone claiming to be the Mayor, could post to execute anyone today or tomorrow.

What good would that bring? he likeli will hit a protown, and die by tomorrow, wont he? 2 protowns less.

VisMaior · Post Post #156 (isolation #3) » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:27 pm

Oh, I get it.

VisMaior · Post Post #172 (isolation #4) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:31 pm

Ok, I dont want to just jump on a bandwagon. Also, whats the base of it again?

VisMaior · Post Post #174 (isolation #5) » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:21 pm

hm, strong case.

VisMaior · Post Post #177 (isolation #6) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:54 am

O, I reread PJ. I dont think he was that much of a scumdirector, actually, I think it was speculation in case of a massclaim. Also, massclaim is a Bad Thing, tm. So moot points against him, except for the craplogic one. But that could be just , well, stupidity.

VisMaior · Post Post #179 (isolation #7) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:13 am

How about Astronaut for blatant lurkery?

VisMaior · Post Post #180 (isolation #8) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:16 am

Or Dranko. Watch this guy in action:

fersure vote: thoth

down for mass claim

lol

who cares? lets just play

unvote; vote petroleumjelly sucka

VisMaior · Post Post #181 (isolation #9) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:17 am

Or even Hezlucky. I dont like him either...

VisMaior · Post Post #183 (isolation #10) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:53 am

Actually,

vote Drakno

VisMaior · Post Post #184 (isolation #11) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:53 am

vote Dranko 20

even.

VisMaior · Post Post #187 (isolation #12) » Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:07 am

VisMaior · Post Post #275 (isolation #13) » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:14 pm

I think you're scum trying to get us to waste the mayoral execution.

Uhh, if he is scum, it would not get wasted, now would it?

Actually, I just cathed that one scentence out. Now let me read the posts...

VisMaior · Post Post #277 (isolation #14) » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:02 pm

Doesn't the Saulus/Judas only win with Mafia? They are the mafia counterpart of the vampire.

What?? No. Let me see:

Judas & Saulus:

The Judas and the Saulus are opposite roles.

The Judas wins with the Town as long as he is not lynched.

If he is lynched, he survives and wins with the Mafia.

The Saulus is the other way around: he wins with the Mafia as long as he is not lynched.

If he is lynched, he survives and wins with the Town.

Both have no other special abilities as Mafioso or Townie, other than surviving their first lynch. They don't know who the Mafia are and vice-versa. When an attempt is made to lynch them, the attempt fails and the day ends. As soon as they switch sides, they can be lynched without any problems.

VisMaior · Post Post #278 (isolation #15) » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:03 pm

O, nevermind. I just read up on that.

VisMaior · Post Post #279 (isolation #16) » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:05 pm

Hm, i still think Pj is more convincing than SpeedyKQ.

VisMaior · Post Post #282 (isolation #17) » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:45 pm

Ok, and wich one?
im leaning to Speedy.

VisMaior · Post Post #287 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:30 am

Well, we can vig him tomorrow if needed

VisMaior · Post Post #291 (isolation #19) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:44 am

Well, one advantage is that if the executioner hits the correct one, we have a confirmed innocent.

What makes me lean to Speedy is that he is the counterclaimer.

VisMaior · Post Post #293 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:59 am

Ok, so wich one is the real judas and wich one is the phoeny one?

VisMaior · Post Post #295 (isolation #21) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:11 am

Well, the original claim would have known he will get counterclaimed, no? Then again, maybe not...

VisMaior · Post Post #298 (isolation #22) » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:01 am

SpeedyKQ, I wish to hear your voice too.

VisMaior · Post Post #304 (isolation #23) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:44 am

I still believe PJ more.
Why would clouding the mayor be a good thing? The mayor after using his power is powerless townie. and thanks for clouding not even confirmed.

VisMaior · Post Post #309 (isolation #24) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:54 pm

yes but also, a confirmed innocent=1 less possibility to choose from to find mafia. I know I love to kill off confirmed townies when I am mafia.

VisMaior · Post Post #311 (isolation #25) » Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:51 pm

I still think Speedy is the fake one. If he is not, we still can lynch PJ tomorrow to convert him.

VisMaior · Post Post #321 (isolation #26) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:17 pm

Also, who thinks Speedy is real, who thinks Pj is real? I believe PJ currently.

VisMaior · Post Post #323 (isolation #27) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:38 pm

We wait for mayoral action.

VisMaior · Post Post #325 (isolation #28) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:14 pm

It seems to me that Speedy is getting mayorkilled, and not PJ currently.

VisMaior · Post Post #328 (isolation #29) » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:28 pm

I see, but why would saulus claim judas in the first place?

VisMaior · Post Post #334 (isolation #30) » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:25 am

Hm, I STILl think PJ is the real one. Persuade me otherwise or Speedy is toast, please.

VisMaior · Post Post #337 (isolation #31) » Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:49 am

Hmm. Good point. But why would saulus claim judas then?

VisMaior · Post Post #339 (isolation #32) » Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:22 am

Ok, speedy tell me why saulus would claim judas first!

VisMaior · Post Post #343 (isolation #33) » Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:53 am

We can still vig tomorrow

VisMaior · Post Post #353 (isolation #34) » Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:20 pm

How should I know? I've already said I can't figure petroliumjelly out.

Hmm, not very convincing...

VisMaior · Post Post #358 (isolation #35) » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:34 am

execute SpeedyKQ

vote Cadmium

like this?

VisMaior · Post Post #365 (isolation #36) » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:12 am

Gagh! You just pull out my base from below me? How dare you!

VisMaior · Post Post #386 (isolation #37) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:58 am

I dont think Fritz is scummy for that joke-execution, it was not in a correct format, so I tought it is just a joke, thats why I never really jumped on it.

VisMaior · Post Post #392 (isolation #38) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:49 am

Well, nobody besides yourself knew what the "correct format" was

hmm.

unvote, vote Green Crayons

VisMaior · Post Post #394 (isolation #39) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:06 am

Really? I tought it was... And yes, I still think it is.

VisMaior · Post Post #409 (isolation #40) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:41 pm

I think we should put pressure on Green_crayons. His assumption that I had instructions in my PM Im very uneasy with.

VisMaior · Post Post #413 (isolation #41) » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:56 pm

I really don't see what's wrong with that. He clearly didn't read/remember the clarifications.

That is not the point. is anyone out there who does think this is information we can work on?

VisMaior · Post Post #417 (isolation #42) » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:55 am

you were given a PM that told you your rolename and then a description of your role [...] was added into the PM.

Were you?

VisMaior · Post Post #433 (isolation #43) » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:31 pm

The error as I see it is that Green Crayons tought the formatting info fits into my PM. that means he is a role that does not need description. So either scum, townie or mason.

If he is mason, his buddies should protect him. If he is townie or scum, lets lynch him.

Also, fos Thoth, for defending Green Crayons.

VisMaior · Post Post #438 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:23 am

I dont know if that is necessary. Just tell us if it complies with the one in post 1...

VisMaior · Post Post #443 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:05 am

the mod in post #2 wrote:Role PMs

All role PMs will be in this form.

You are a Townie. Click here for a description of your role.
If you have a nightchoice it is due by 9am GMT Friday 23rd December.
Mafia, Werewolves and Masons are also told who their colleagues are.

I meant, is your role Pm in this format?

VisMaior · Post Post #449 (isolation #46) » Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:52 am

Green Crayons: I think you not knowing the format indicates that your role is so obvious that it needs no furthe explanation. like townie or mafia.

VisMaior · Post Post #458 (isolation #47) » Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:35 pm

Me not knowing the format of everyone's original PM only clearly indicates that the replacement PMs differed from the originals

You clearly say you had a link to your role, that I guess you did nit bothered to click.

VisMaior · Post Post #478 (isolation #48) » Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:14 pm

unvote

CAs last post strikes me as really really odd. Why are people still so keen on vigging PJ regardless of what alignment Speedy turns up?

VisMaior · Post Post #479 (isolation #49) » Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:14 pm

Oh, and I third deadline extending.

VisMaior · Post Post #486 (isolation #50) » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:57 am

FOS armlx. That last post of yours is scummy. The play is really bad, and why do we need a seer investigation wasted on RotN?

VisMaior · Post Post #489 (isolation #51) » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:01 am

Is it not better to just lynch PJ to turn him into a proven protowner? Then the seer can just clear someone else.

VisMaior · Post Post #491 (isolation #52) » Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:03 am

Not to mention that PJ could become a proven protown without lynch or seer, if he is the real Judas. I think we should at least wait until Speedys role is proven. What you propose still seems suboptimal to me.

VisMaior · Post Post #496 (isolation #53) » Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:23 am

vote armlx

his directing people around seems scummy enough to me. Scummier than GCs mixed up PM thing.

VisMaior · Post Post #513 (isolation #54) » Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:11 am

Why is armlx not lynched yet, slackers?

VisMaior · Post Post #537 (isolation #55) » Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:43 pm

I dont think an Ibaesha lynch is the best. Explain to me again, how is armlx suddenly cleared?

VisMaior · Post Post #549 (isolation #56) » Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:44 pm

*sigh* no confirmed townies

VisMaior · Post Post #570 (isolation #57) » Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:21 am

whuh?

The deaths of Mafia and Werewolves are always revealed, even when killed at night. This does not include the Judas, Saulus and Vampire (before becoming a Werewolf).

or am I misunderstanding you.

VisMaior · Post Post #572 (isolation #58) » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:05 am

Always a pleasure to set people straight

VisMaior · Post Post #573 (isolation #59) » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:15 am

vote Fritzler

VisMaior · Post Post #576 (isolation #60) » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:36 am

If its anything like your hints in summit mafia, im never gonna find it.

VisMaior · Post Post #578 (isolation #61) » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:42 am

Well, after a quick reread, I would guess they are...

VisMaior · Post Post #591 (isolation #62) » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:37 am

unvote

VisMaior · Post Post #600 (isolation #63) » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:46 am

Ok I know Im dense, but do point out your hints please!

VisMaior · Post Post #610 (isolation #64) » Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:26 am

Nice.

I was thinking why scum would want to kill off Speedy. They would have not known wether he was lying or not. Pj needs a vigging, better safe than sorry.

VisMaior · Post Post #667 (isolation #65) » Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:10 pm

vote Helucky

also, a safe vote here, as he is surely no seer/archangel.

VisMaior · Post Post #695 (isolation #66) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 1:01 am

Im not even trying to pretend I understood Puzzles answer.

VisMaior · Post Post #697 (isolation #67) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:56 am

Oh, Fritzler is in this game? Hmm. He is lying low...

VisMaior · Post Post #703 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:25 am

ROFL

VisMaior · Post Post #707 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:04 am

Heh. Thats gold!

VisMaior · Post Post #709 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:08 am

Actually, its pretty persuasive gold, too. I want to change my vote, except for I think Hez is better still.

VisMaior · Post Post #715 (isolation #71) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:30 am

While Bandwagonning != being scum is true, it is more likely to be so than not, from an outsiders POV, I think.

VisMaior · Post Post #717 (isolation #72) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:33 am

VisMaior · Post Post #719 (isolation #73) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:36 am

Its not just the bandwagonning. Its the votejumping aspect that disturbs me. Fritz does that when he is scum.

VisMaior · Post Post #722 (isolation #74) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:46 am

To an extent, yes. Maybe not in the direction you wish it was,but yes.

VisMaior · Post Post #735 (isolation #75) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:57 am

What? not bandwagonning is scummy now? How come?

VisMaior · Post Post #740 (isolation #76) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:43 am

Did you counted all votes on a wagon? I think only 3. and up should be counted, otherwise its not a wagon.

VisMaior · Post Post #756 (isolation #77) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:08 am

I either counter 5 and up, or 6 and up, I forget... that's the general idea, anyway.

I meant: you are not jumping a bandwagon unless your vote is 3. or higher on that wagon. The first vote on a wagon is hardly any more than any other vote, is it not?

VisMaior · Post Post #761 (isolation #78) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 12:19 pm

NO, I did not look at the order of the votes. I have a life. Namely, a few other mafia games to mind.

Well, yes, I can understand you, but does that not invalidate your reasoning? It might have been that, let say Frits is always abandoning a bandwagon, then everybody follows, or something.

VisMaior · Post Post #772 (isolation #79) » Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:48 pm

It does not invalidate my reasoning.

I beg to differ.

I do admit that my data offers no information on who started the bandwagons, and who was a follower.

I think only followers are really scummy.

Puzzle and the awesome Fritzler were pretty much on every bandwagon they thought they could get away with. That much is certain.

True, but on the other end if we count only followers, Thoth is suddenly not so alone beeing antibandwagon.

VisMaior · Post Post #794 (isolation #80) » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:44 am

How immature.

VisMaior · Post Post #913 (isolation #81) » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:52 pm

vote Green Crayons

VisMaior · Post Post #916 (isolation #82) » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:18 pm

I think the only reasonable explanation is that Thoth/Saulus turned protown. He could make a statement but Id be very surprised if it was otherwise.

VisMaior · Post Post #925 (isolation #83) » Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:57 am

We only get werewolfes/mafia and people we lynch ourself.

VisMaior · Post Post #929 (isolation #84) » Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:01 am

Oh yes, I forgot: PJ I hate you. You fooled me trough and trough

VisMaior · Post Post #957 (isolation #85) » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:41 pm

Why was there no resurrections? Would it not make more sense for Archangel/angel to resurrect people early in the game, when it is hard for scum to pick them out?

VisMaior · Post Post #959 (isolation #86) » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:52 am

Oh, I read that wrong.

VisMaior · Post Post #961 (isolation #87) » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:24 am

Cant imagine. Saulus should be thok. Judas was Speedy.

VisMaior · Post Post #962 (isolation #88) » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:24 am

Thoth*

VisMaior · Post Post #966 (isolation #89) » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:27 am

Cant imgine why Speedy claimed that role then...

VisMaior · Post Post #967 (isolation #90) » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:27 am

We know this to be a FACT?

No.

VisMaior · Post Post #1004 (isolation #91) » Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:40 pm

I agree with Thoth here. We really get more out of resurrecting someone who is surely no Judas/Saulus.

VisMaior · Post Post #1015 (isolation #92) » Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:35 am

I bet you do.

unvote, vote Fritzler

VisMaior · Post Post #1023 (isolation #93) » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:17 pm

unvote

I guess you escape rigtheous revenge for now, Fritzboi, but dont count on it next time!

VisMaior · Post Post #1046 (isolation #94) » Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:35 am

just wondering about Vis's earlier vote

Tehre is not much to it, Fritzler is my (currently only) archenemy, and I somehow forgot he was cleared. His vote seemed something to respond to.

VisMaior · Post Post #1053 (isolation #95) » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:03 pm

[/quote]Vis is up there on my list... [quote]

Err, as the claimed-notcountered mayor?

VisMaior · Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:25 pm

Huh? Why would he speedlynch himself?

VisMaior · Post Post #1062 (isolation #97) » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:36 am

vote Armlx

VisMaior · Post Post #1064 (isolation #98) » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:47 am

Puzzle just said we should not put him 1 from lynch ...

VisMaior · Post Post #1065 (isolation #99) » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:48 am

But Im willing to do it once GC claimed the names.

VisMaior · Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:52 am

unvote

VisMaior · Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:27 am

vote PB

VisMaior · Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:23 am

Humhum. Im still around.

VisMaior · Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:14 pm

Why on earth would E_K lie?

VisMaior · Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:24 am

HmHm. Suits me...

vote GC

VisMaior · Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:44 pm

Interesting.

VisMaior · Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:44 pm

Oh, and, nice play armlx