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Third parties are considered town, since the only third party allowed in Normals is the SK, and standard Site Meta is for the SK to act as much like a vig as they can. IE, they try to lynch scum and vig scum. Hence, Honorary Townies.Maxous wrote:With the VCA reads does "town" mean 'town' or 'not maifa'.
How does potential third parties figure into it?
A scum lynch, duh.Twisted wrote:Hey mastin what exactly are you trying to accomplish with these "reads" of yours?
Let me give you a hint. Bold is Better.GreyICE wrote:mastin2 ( 6 ) - Toon Fighter,Tomie Uzumaki, Maxous, malpascp, Phoebus, hiplop
Two scum minimum, bookmark it.
^Be honest with me.Tomie Uzumaki wrote:Bowser wrote:mastin making lists this early bugs me a bit.
But I have a gut read on over half of his townreads as town.
I know that it's Matin's Ego who's posting those lists. Why do you believe half of his townreads are correct?
Not liking the 'But'.
Mastin wrote:Third parties are considered town, since the only third party allowed in Normals is the SK, and standard Site Meta is for the SK to act as much like a vig as they can. IE, they try to lynch scum and vig scum. Hence, Honorary Townies.
Normally, I'd suggest MD for this stuff. This time it's different as I don't want you to make yourself look foolish where everyone can see ._.
A SK is not a vig for a reason.
Still disappointed~ To help you out, why do you think I'm voting you?
If Mastin is town, Muffin and Bowser should be looked at.
One other player has caught my attention. But he has to wait for a bit as it might not be anything~
Not seeing the town in here.edmund.angles wrote:Like Tomie I did not like Bowser's post:
Bowser was wishy-washy on the subject of Mastin's reads.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Bowser
@mastin: Do you mean that your early list was a type of reaction fishing?
@Tomie: Why does Mastin being town have anything to do with zMuffin and Bowser's alignment?
4-5, I calculated. 4 gets a little low (19%; still possible), 5 is 23%. 6 is theoretically possible (28%), but honestly, I wouldn't expect that unless it's multifaction with 3 each.Also, a question directed at anyone, how many scum tend to be in 21p mafia games?
Please, enlighten me. I am not seeing it.Maxous wrote:Yep
Yes, and no.edmund wrote:Where you reaction fishing?
[REDACTED - Pondering Something About This Comment; will bring up later]Grey wrote:Hmmmmmm, nah. I have a gut scum read on Hikari, and I don't feel as certain about Tomie as you.
Actually, it's six. (Half way to a lynch.) Not five. Maxous unvoted me earlier.Toon wrote:I just find it strange making a 5-person bandwagon right at the beginning of the game on a player that doesn't seem to have done that much to deserve it.
There's a reason for that.Muffin wrote:I'm actually surprised tomie's still on mastin. From the sounds of it, there's more reason to believe I'm scum than mastin.
Seriously? You see this guy as town?edmund.angles wrote:zMuffinMan wrote:For the record, if you call me town, you too can earn a free pass into my town reads. It's that simple. Do it.
@zMuffin: Seriously?
1: Could you elaborate on your viewpoint? Just for me.Pine wrote:Also, utilizing meta assessments is PART of effective scumhunting, so GI's signature is myopic bullshit.
Ish.Hiraki wrote:Do you not see what's scummy with hiplop?
You called my lists in your hiplop case town. Correct me if I am wrong about this.Hiraki wrote:If you use gut as a reason for a vote, there is a 100% guarantee that you are probably not town.
Oh, really? You think I was not serious?GreyICE wrote:MASTIN HASN'T ASKED ANY SERIOUS QUESTIONS YET!
Yup, indeed.Hiraki wrote:You know the point of my post.
do you still think Pine is scum? (You voted him earlier for the meta.) What do you think of his explanation?Give your current thoughts on Pine, right now.
Compare him to Hiraki--are they both scum?
That, I do not see from you. What do you think, of his explanation about his view on meta?What do you think of his explanation?
mastin2 wrote:1: Could you elaborate on your viewpoint? Just for me.Pine wrote:Also, utilizing meta assessments is PART of effective scumhunting, so GI's signature is myopic bullshit.
Alright. I'll try to make it more clear.Pine wrote:Meta is a tool for scumhunting. Pretty simple statement.
Yes. Those WERE his opinion on you; read them. And explain to me what you think of them, now that you know they're there.GI has an opinion on me? I missed it in his arboreal ramblings.
WHY?Pine wrote:GI's signature is myopic bullshit.
^I want to see more from Pine on this.GreyICE wrote:PranaDevil wrote:And here... GreyIce is quite obviously pointing out that meta is shit, and shouldn't be used. Because people who don't really pay attention to meta wont notice things anyway, and likely aren't even worrying about playing the same way every time. However, people who ARE thinking about meta would also be able to change up how they place to match a town meta every time anyway. Thus, following meta leads to mislynching town more often than it leads to lynching scum. Which is a fair point to make. Thus, meta is pointless to follow.
Plus, some people's meta changes based on role. You wouldn't expect someone with a VT role this game to play exactly the same if they have a cop role in the next one. Thus, while they're both town roles, they're different roles entirely. So if you've played with someone for 4 games with them as a VT, and suddenly they're playing differently, you lynch them based on meta, only to find you've just offed the town cop.
Also, it's the worst form of confirmation bias. People read a player, and think 'he's probably scum, lemme check meta.' Then they go read a random town game and a random scum game, and decide that he's doing X and Y, which he did in the scum game, and isn't doing Z which he did in the town game.
Basically, I'm just going to lynch anyone who tries to use meta as their entire argument, or who argues they're town because of meta.
^And this.GreyICE wrote:
Vote: Pine
As I promised.
Do you think Pine is scum, Hiraki?Hiraki wrote:I think you slippo.
Oh, totally forgot about this.Tomie wrote:Guess you've got a lot of voting to do, don't you agree?. Anyway, I disagree that using meta is bad.
Though some players *Hi, Pine* need to learn how to use it correctly~
Who do you feel is more likely to be scum between Toon and Hiraki, Grey?GreyICE wrote:Vote Toonfighter
You've given me two names you think are scum. (Hiraki and Toon.) There's likely five scum in this game.mastin2 wrote:Tomie wrote:Guess you've got a lot of voting to do, don't you agree?. Anyway, I disagree that using meta is bad.
Though some players *Hi, Pine* need to learn how to use it correctly~GreyICE:What do you think of Tomie's stance on this?
NOW is Tomie more scum than before?
And, heck. While we're in the process of asking so. many. reads. from. you. Let's go all-out.
Give a full suspect list. Include nulls who have a scum lean or go in-between. (Flip-flops.)
"Oh, I guess voting Mastin was a bad idea, and he was right about me abandoning my Bowser read with no foreshadowing at all. Maybe if I go back to Bowser, he won't notice?" (Nope. It's quite blatant.)Edmund wrote:I think I can find a better place for my vote: UNVOTE: Mastin2
Bowser is still a good lynch-candidate VOTE: Bowser
^That. There's more to it than just that, though. I'll elaborate when I get the answers I want out of everyone I've asked questions for.Hiraki wrote:He wants to know if you're town or not.
They're all town. Trust me on this.MuffinMan
Torquez
Bowser
Maxous