CrashTextDummie wrote:Killerjester replaced in and immediately went for the Parama/Bowser playerslot. This, to me, is null. I don't doubt scum would go for the bus here in his shoes, but it could just as well be an accurate read from a pro-town player, as it was a reasonably articulated suspicion.
Glad to know you can dismiss selective parts of what I've said as null when it doesn't support your case.
CrashTextDummie wrote:He started the day off
speculating about the SK in response to Mastin's theory:
killerjester wrote:I don't think Demon is the SK. Yos maybe, CTD is also a likely candidate. Can you explain why you're so confident in your 1-1-1 theory of the neighbors?
And, naturally, I'm confident I'm town.
This is a scumtell I find very reliable (the "SK-hardon"). I might as well elaborate on this here (it's pertinent to some of the following arguments):
A pro-town player has no real reason to SK-hunt at this point in the game. SK's are generally a lot harder to catch than group-scum, their tells tend to be a lot more subtle and there are no connections to call them on. Of course, it's possible to nail an SK, but it's usually done with universal scumtells that apply to both SK and mafia (like fabricated reads or opportunistic voting). I see no pro-town reason whatsoever for KJ to concentrate on this aspect of Mastin's scumlist at the expense of anything else that isn't related to him, particularly not on the back of the first scum-lynch in this game.
Anti-town reasons for this kind of speculations:
A) The only scumhunting the scum are doing is against the SK. There is a tangible benefit to them exchanging their thoughts on this with pro-town players, and it seems likely to me that an inexperienced player such as KJ would dive into this discussion if it was a hot topic during scum night-talk
B) SKs themselves are also prone to this kind of posting, it's a sign of overt self-awareness of their role and play
My "hardon" for the SK was entirely reactive to how
how seriously mastin2 was
pushing the idea of a
DH SK. I thought that much was obvious. You're trying to turn it into something more than it truly is. Furthermore, I think shortening down the lynch pool by even one person is worth the effort.
CrashTextDummie wrote:His next post was
SK-centric as well, but he did drop down a vote on Shanba for stated reasoning:
killerjester wrote:The scum connection is blatantly obvious.
This is a vote he lined up the
day before, and that's the extent of what he had to say about Shanba up to that point.
He justified this
thusly:
killerjester wrote:Of course I'd vote Shanba. It was between you and him in my mind for this day. I'm more confident about you being town now that Bowser's flipped scum, as I've said before I think there was only one scum in the neighbors. That leaves Shanba. Does KJ-logic make sense?
It's a logical fallacy: "I narrowed it down to those two players and it's not the one, so it's got to be the other!" when there was no discernible reason to narrow it down to those two players to begin with.
Was I really unclear about why I narrowed it down to those two? I agreed with the Magna post
alllll the way back at #166, in that I felt there was at least one scum sheeping to the Meransiel wagon solely based on the role-fishing accusation. From that list, I ruled out kondi, Hydra, and PJ as unlikely to be scum. That's how I narrowed it down to Demon and Shanba. I took it a step further to connect this to my belief that there was one scum neighbor. If Parama/Bowser (a neighbor) flipped scum, then I would clear Demon as town and turn to Shanba. If he was a town-flip, I would re-assert that the neighbors had a scum in them and push for the Demon lynch.
If you missed this logic, why haven't you called me out on it earlier? I feel like you're just now ISO'ing me and trying to twist everything I've done into scummy play, rather than a case you've been progressively building.
CrashTextDummie wrote:Then followed another
huge post speculating on the identity of the SK. When attacked, he claimed that he was merely talking about the SK because MBL had asked him about the SK. This is not accurate: MBL had asked him specifically
about his DH read, not his SK-theories. And yet KJ took this opportunity to muse about the viability of CTD-SK and Yos-SK in great detail.
Oh, my mistake. I suppose we have a very large misunderstanding about the meaning of "great detail". You see, when you originally
referred to my serious SK-hardon, I thought you were talking about the
two huge paragraphs
, not the 4 sentences mentioning you and Yos2. When you blow things out of proportion, I tend to suffer from miscommunication. So yes, no one asked for my two fucking cents on what I thought about you and Yos2, but the bulk of that post (the "great detail", you could say) was in response to MBL.
CrashTextDummie wrote:killerjester in post #1071 wrote:But I'll humor you. Who do you think the serial killer is if I flip group scum/town?
This is a big one. Not only is his inquiry completely nonsensical for reasons stated above (and one explained later), it is also one that no pro-town player would
ever
make. It goes completely against any pro-town thinking to make hypotheticals with yourself as scum and defeats the purpose of any and all attached questions. He's supposed to know he's town, so why would he be interested in this answer? Because he's scum. I don't understand how he hasn't been strung up for this bona-fide scumslip.
Nonsensical justification:
killerjester wrote:No, I was trying to get my SK read (you) to stick to one target so that if you're dodgy about it later, y'know cos the target won't actually flip SK, we'd call you out on it easy.
But you're being dodgy now, soo....you should know that as town-CTD you stand to lose nothing from this little bet of mine. Now are you going to straighten up like a good little soldier?
So he wanted to lay a trap, I suppose, to catch SK-CTD making a wrong SK-prediction, to prove... what exactly?
I offered a gamble. I felt town-CTD would be more likely to go for it while anti-CTD would tend to dodge it. On it's own, it doesn't prove anything though.
CrashTextDummie wrote:Next glaring
scumtell, directing the vig to aim for the SK:
killerjester wrote:EBWOP: Also was thinking this, but forgot to mention. Scum-Shanba is bussing Pine pretty hard, and I'd look to lynch him before Hydra, if not also before Yos2. And (luckily) we still have a vig to shoot up our masked SK.
1. We want the vig to kill mafia (number's game)
2. The vig has a higher chance to vig mafia, as they're easier to catch (as outlined before)
3. The SK has a high potential to be NK-Immune
This post is therefore pro-mafia, anti-town and SK-neutral. Also take note of the Pine-bussing argument. There's virtually no basis for it; "my top-suspect is attacking someone I've never mentioned before - obvious bus!" - how is this the thinking of a pro-town player?
His defense for this is
god-awful:
killerjester wrote:I am hunting the scum, in fact I've got a list of names lined right up. AND my vote is on my top scumspect. So you can throw your whole pro-scum-agenda out the window. I've taken it a step further because I know there's a serial killer around and time to kill while everyone gets their votes on Shanba. Even if he (the SK) NK-immune, all we need is Iecerint's word "I'm targeting so-and-so tonight, because I think I've found the SK," and if they're alive in the morning then we'd know that 1. The SK is NK-immune, and 2. The person the vig shot at is the SK. There's nothing wrong about suggesting the vig try to take out the SK. In fact... I'm really finding how much you condemn the idea, and consistently stress that the REAL threat in this town in the mafia comes more from the perspective of an SK trying to cover his own damn hide.
So now he wants the vig to announce beforehand who he's going to vig, opening him way the fuck up for any kind of scum-PR shenanigans. His reasoning is appalling, you virtually never want your confirmed power roles to telegraph their actions. Note also how he underhandedly tries to turn this argument against me: "you want the vig to kill mafia, that means you're the SK!"
So you're saying the vig shouldn't be trying to kill the SK? At best, your opinion is pro-SK, anti-town and mafia-neutral.
