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Post Post #21 (isolation #0) » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:14 pm

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Hi all,

Vote Mega
for having not even confirmed yet.

and with that I am off to the woods I will be back Sunday, may have an hour of connectivity tomorrow but if not be back Sunday for sure.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #1) » Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:48 pm

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Unvote
Mega still hasn't confirmed but at this point would prefer to look elsewhere.
@Uncle i prefer town I enjoy the act of discovery
VOTE: Soda Spirit Seems to be too eager for a lynch saying so soon he is ok with a furclow or sampson lynch then saying there is no harm in doing this as he isn't near l-1 then saying he hopes to lynch furco tomorrow.
Seems too quick to me to be building up a serious bandwagon based off essentially nothing.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #2) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:47 am

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In post 162, SodaSpirit17 wrote:lolNS.

anyways... I wanted to vote Peregrine too... No joke. I dunno about Furcolow, with his "I have a role, and need protection" I'm putting Furco on watch for now.

VOTE: PeregrineV

congrats on buddying, sheeping and distancing furc all in one post. My vote stays.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #3) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:38 am

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Germany originally, sampson and Theamateur seem town you and furc scym everyone else null mostly

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Post Post #179 (isolation #4) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:52 am

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Both lowell and uncle are null town at his point to me furc I will explain mote whrn at gome I hate posting from phone
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Post Post #191 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:45 pm

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Furc I assume you wanted to know why i thought you felt scummy in 175, the reason is mainly your post 33 you are essentially placing your rvs vote back but feel the need to explain it in depth like you were worried someone was going to call you out for continuing rvs which seems scummy to me. I think soda being ready for a lynch (Posts 56/71) and then claiming they are just pressure and he isn't ready for a lynch (70,119). Soda's post in 148 about how PV is more of a gut than anything seems odd as all PV had done at that point was RVS and announce V/LA so I don't see how it could be anything but gut and gut off nothing at that. He then sheeped and buddied you while FOS'ing you so he could vote his null-town over you his SCUM SCUM SCUM.
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Post Post #192 (isolation #6) » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:47 pm

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EDBWOP That whole second part that said "I think soda being ready for a lynch.....etc" should of ended with "makes him scummier though so he has my vote."
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Post Post #257 (isolation #7) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:33 pm

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Can someone explain the case on theamatuer a differnt way i just am not getting it. Is it just because he is waiting for flay before changing his vote?

@Soda while following along at work today I was ready to unvote you when I got home but then post 250 if you feel furc is confirmed scum why remove your vote? What benefit does town gain by not lynching someone they see as confirmed scum?
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Post Post #288 (isolation #8) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:16 pm

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Does CSL generally lurk when scum?
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Post Post #292 (isolation #9) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:32 pm

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no I can't looking at CSL in iso im not willing to vote for lurking it could easily be she didn't bookmark the game. If the lurking continues i will but no at this point I don't see the case.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #10) » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:37 pm

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(Off topic so I apologize)@Soda your new avatar is fantastic
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Post Post #368 (isolation #11) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:36 am

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@sampson can you explain theamateur case. I just read him in iso and have a hard time seeing it.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #12) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:00 am

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vote furclow
that makes no sense
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Post Post #418 (isolation #13) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:48 pm

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unvote
for now still suspicious but flame is right no reason to vote a claimed cop

@Theamatuer what made you decide to move your vote from flay even though flay still hasn't posted?

@The soda why did you feel the need to keep asking for a CC if someone was/is going to CC they will why do you keep bringing it up?

pedit
@UD is fake claiming day 1 a scum tactic?
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Post Post #442 (isolation #14) » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:36 pm

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Welcome back Flay.

To answer your question I voted Furc cause of his explanation that he was claiming PR to avoid being nightkilled. It made no sense to me and felt scummy.

Also hooray for someone else realizing Sodascum.

Pedit. Not voting? Forgot to place it back VOTE: Soda
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Post Post #544 (isolation #15) » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:52 pm

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I'll be honest there are 3 or so new pages i'll catch up tomorrow and give reads but i'm too tired to try to do it right now.
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Post Post #637 (isolation #16) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:26 pm

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In post 633, singersigner wrote:
Votecount 1.18

Updated as of post #632

uncledaphne (7) - Flameaxe, CSL, Sampson, Furcolow, Nobody Special, ZeekLTK, theamatuer, SodaSpirit17
SodaSpirit17 (4) - Mr. Flay, Lurconis, uncledaphne, DemonHybrid
theamatuer (2) - iamausername, Lowell
CSL (1) - PeregrineV
Furcolow (2) - Alabaska J, kdowns
DemonHybrid (1) - Toon Fighter
Alabaska J (0) -
Not Voting (0) -
If there's a mistake let me know


With
18
Alive, it takes
10
to Lynch and
9
to No-Lynch

uncledaphne
will be lynch at deadline if votes doesn't change before that


V/LA:

Powerrox93: September 10-11. singersigner will look over the game during that time


Deadline: September 23 17:00 CEST

Countdown: (expired on 2011-09-23 11:00:00)



@Mod
Is the count on Uncle correct? If so one of those 8 has a vote that doesn't count?

@Uncle did you just change your vote to Soda because people were pressuring you to get off Furclow or do you honestly think Soda is scum?

@Demon I'm not sure I agree with your Alabaska Case but I see where you are coming from with it, would like to see his responses before I get on board with him.
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Post Post #650 (isolation #17) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:54 pm

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@Experienced players is there a normal protocol to follow in this situation?
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Post Post #670 (isolation #18) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:07 pm

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In post 669, kdowns wrote:but then later on
Changed my mind and said forget it and would claim if I felt the newsmen which I have.



Can you explain what that means?
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Post Post #672 (isolation #19) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:11 pm

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no problem thanks for clarifying so quickly
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Post Post #683 (isolation #20) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:07 pm

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In post 647, theamatuer wrote:suddenly counterclaim.
This changes things, doesn't it?
I think that kdowns does not want UD lynched for some reason.
For now,
Fos: kdowns.

while I do a read on him

In post 648, kdowns wrote:Only thing is I don't want a lynch on someone who I think is town even though everyone else thinks he's scum.



The post above makes it seem like you think UD is town now you are voting for him what changed?
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Post Post #686 (isolation #21) » Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:23 pm

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@Kdowns i might be misreading but your above post reads as if you are just voting him because you don't want people to suspect you if he flips scum? If that is what your saying that is a horrible reason to vote UD you shouldn't vote someone you think is town just to avoid suspicion.
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Post Post #859 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:17 am

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Sorry got busier than I expected this weekend I will catch up today at work.
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Post Post #865 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:37 am

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In post 439, PeregrineV wrote:I see all the Soda controversy, but since it's only day1, I feel like Soda is too scummy to be scum, meaning he's probably town.

@Soda- what kind of mafia experience do you have (games played, etc.)

Could this be where all the too scummy to be scum confusion came from?

Reading p 5 in iso this was the only scummy post are you three voting him because of lurking?

@furc as was pointed out yoy have yet to comment on kdowns cc, anything to add?

First time quoting from phome so I apologize if it errors
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Post Post #883 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:36 am

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In post 871, PeregrineV wrote:

The neighborizer role on mafiascum is 6-2(?) a scum role.


You only provided the one link to a neighborizer role being scum just wondering where the 6-2 came from?

If that stat is true I see no problem with a UD lynch.
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Post Post #914 (isolation #25) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:00 pm

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In post 912, SodaSpirit17 wrote:If one of them isn't cop it's Furc. But we have nothing else to go by...
Zeek looked pretty bad after he said he didn't think there was a cop in the game when 2 of them claimed, there's obv one.



That still doesn't explain how you go from Zek town to FOS Zek without him posting anything.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #26) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:05 pm

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Your avoiding sampsons point. In post 629 you say you think Zeek is town, after that you post a case on UD Kdowns cclaims you unvote and then FOS Zeke. Why the change of opinion on Zeek with no explanation given he goes from obvtown to you FOSing him, why?
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Post Post #918 (isolation #27) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:07 pm

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In post 629, SodaSpirit17 wrote:And I think Zeek and Furco are town, you don't?



Sorry you didn't say obvtown you still called him town then with no explanation FOS him
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Post Post #919 (isolation #28) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:09 pm

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Changing your mind on Furco at that point may make sense as Kdowns cclaim but Zeek makes no sense.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #29) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:16 pm

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Ok so you changed your mind in that short span and now suspect zeek what happened between then and

In post 842, SodaSpirit17 wrote:So, Zeek, Lucro and Flay. Any other targets you have that are actually scum?


to make you change your mind again? And then again between then and now? Now you are think he would be a good lynch just not for today?

These actions make no sense.

Scum is scum. Can we lynch soda now please?
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Post Post #922 (isolation #30) » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:18 pm

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Just a reminder of Soda's earlier "Joke" read. Seems to me like soda can't decide whether to bus his scumbuddy or not.

In post 146, SodaSpirit17 wrote:here's what i think of everyone. Early impressions are always good imho.

CSL *- null
churoasasin- Scum
Sampson- Scum
Lowell- OBVTOWN
Mr. Flay- null
Flameaxe- town
uncledaphne- town
iamausername- town-ish-
Lurconis- null-town
kdowns-so town.
Toon Fighter *-town
PeregrineV- null-scum
Furcolow- SCUM SCUM SCUM
WianaotBrriarNod *- null
theamatuer- town
ZeekLTK- OBVSCUM KILL IT
Nobody Special- town-ish.

I'd like to hear more from the nulls, and I liked Flameys appearance but more would be nice.
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Post Post #953 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:15 am

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In post 951, Furcolow wrote:You seem to be prevalent on every lynch wagon where someone gets driven to claim, yet are taking no heat from it until Sampson brought it up, and he has good points on you.

I stol think soda is scum but to be fair their has only been one wagon that caused a claim you claimed for no reason and kdowns cc so that particular point on his scumminess is invalid
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Post Post #967 (isolation #32) » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:04 pm

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In post 961, Furcolow wrote:
unvote;
vote: KDowns

i missed that shit
why isnt he voting his cc?
scumslip right there
thanks lurconis


Actually I asked you why you hadn't commented on it, not why you weren't voting him. It's been established that we aren't lynching either of you.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #33) » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:51 am

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I hope you feel better soon.

@Zeek With their being Meta that Furc goes claim crazy as VT do you still think him the best lynch for the day over someone who is being scummy in general?
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #34) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:25 am

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In post 1073, DemonHybrid wrote:
In post 1072, Mr. Flay wrote:
In post 1065, ZeekLTK wrote:I want to hear from the real replacement before we do too much... I want to know if he really did get roleblocked or if uncle was messing with us

This; I'm willing to wait an appropriate amount of time for more information.

DemonHybrid wrote:We're still not lynching the cops.
So when do we start lynching them? LyLo?


Halfway down the line when the real cop has a shitload of results.


Only problem is real cop probably isn't getting results due to roleblocking.
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #35) » Mon Sep 19, 2011 12:20 pm

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Alabaska J you completly misrepresent that DH just changed her mind out of nowhere to vote soda.

That being said @DH after soda provided his case why did you change right back to alabaska it would seem if you thought Soda's response was valid you would vote UD and if you didn't you would keep it on soda instead you chose a third option which left you off both scum wagons?
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #36) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:20 am

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In post 1104, ZeekLTK wrote:
Except kdowns claims that he did get a result... so therefore he didn't get roleblocked.

If the mafia weren't going to roleblock him, why would they keep him alive, allowing him to investigate? Just to kill vanilla Flameaxe instead??

No. kdowns is definitely not a cop. There is no way the mafia would have risked leaving him alone.

I mean, what if he actually had investigated uncle and uncle hadn't been mysteriously killed by someone. kdowns would have a confirmed scum to start the day. Why would scum allow that? There is no way.


With Furcs meta indicating he fake claims as VT it is possible kdowns is the cop and the scum roleblocked furc
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #37) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:34 am

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Avoiding a direct answer?
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #38) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:30 am

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Why assume? Why not just ask, you seem to be trying to be difficult
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Post Post #1143 (isolation #39) » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:29 am

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@Sorgster why not say that straight away rather than dancing around the subject and telling half truths?
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #40) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:02 pm

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In post 1166, sorgster wrote:maybe but after someone told me that there can only be normal cops, I decided to give it up. I doubt there would be two cops in a game and didn't like the idea of 1(or 2 is kdowns is fakeclaiming) consecutive mislynches.


What would the 2 consecutive mislynches of been? You and then Kdowns? You were suspected because of you constantly changing your story and not just being honest from the start about your rolenot because your slot previously claimed cop. Your acting like you couldn't quite tell if it was best to stick to a fake claim or not, you say it was because

In post 1162, sorgster wrote:
I kept these suggests because I didn't want the scum to realize I was just a regular townie so they would keep blocking me instead. Also, if I came on at once and said. Hi. I'm vanilla, my pr fake claimed. What happens? Pretty much I'm dead at once and a first mislynch. By process of elimination, kdowns would be known as cop and most likely killed n2.


if that was true why would you drop the fake claim? mafia now know kdowns is the correct cop and you are being lynched. Why would you of expected coming forward and saying furc lied would get you mislynched when it was something actually brought up several times?

Too many inconsistencies for me VOTE: Sorgster
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Post Post #1184 (isolation #41) » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:14 pm

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He was at L1 he already claimed I think he is scummy I don't see how that is anti town.
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #42) » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:33 am

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VOTE: Toon Fighter You are not really scum hunting at all just keep chiming in agreeing and joining band wagons


In post 1233, Toon Fighter wrote:CSL's post 1229 was awful. Just bandwagoning without reasoning and giving me reasons to choose one of my suspects (CSL and theamatuer) over the other.

vote: CSL


You accuse CSL of bandwagoning when she is voting for someone with 0 votes she is trying to start a wagon, horribly but still trying you come in and put the 5th vote on someone because they're bandwagoning? There is something wrong with this picture.
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #43) » Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:26 am

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@zeek I just dont see the scum motivation in ccing one of their own. I dont see a town motivation either seems null.

Noob ? does the two kills each night mean two factions or do scum sometimes get two kills in large games?
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #44) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:08 am

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In post 1286, DemonHybrid wrote:
Vote: Toon Fighter


CSL: Sampson, theamatuer, PeregrineV, Mr. Flay,
Toon Fighter
, DemonHybrid, kdowns

Along with your general play.

Peregrine is still bad.


How is toon fighters position on the wagon any worse than your own?? I agree TF seems opportunistic but so do you on that wagon.
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Post Post #1306 (isolation #45) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:50 am

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SK would aim there if the targets suspected them possibly.
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Post Post #1307 (isolation #46) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:52 am

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Also thinking on it kdowns still being alive is kind of telling. I know it is WIFOM but you would think scum or sk or even possibly vig would of killed him by now for his original claim and still possibly being a cop.
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #47) » Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:20 pm

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Ok so this is my first attempt at VCA so bear with me,

Confirmed Town on Soda Wagon:
CSL
theamatuer
Nobody Special
zeekLTK

Others
Sampson
Mr. Flay
Toon Fighter
Kdowns

Confirmed town on Sorgster wagon:
theamatuer
Nobody Special
ZeekLTK

Others
peregrineV
DemonHybrid
Toonfighter
kdowns


Sodas lynch was obviously coming so I can see scum trying to get on that wagon to bus. UD probably wasn't the only one, but with UD then dying that night I don't know if scum would try to bus sorg or not as that would be fairly risky if we're assuming only 4 scum and possibly an sk/vig though it is possible they wanted to get on that wagon so people wouldn't accuse them of not voting either scum.

PeregrineV, Mr. Flay, Sampson, and Demon Hybrid are the only ones that voted one scum but not the other. If y'all are correct about it being a 4 man scum team then I think the final scum is among them, and if there is an sk as pointed out above it may be WIFOM but I am leaning toward kdowns.

kdowns not just because I would think he would be dead as a possible cop, though he says it was a fakeclaim but also because he has been on all 3 wagons and an SK wouldn't care who was lynched as long as it wasn't him.
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #48) » Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:21 am

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@Lowell no I was saying it seems unlikely that scum would of bussed both scum so I listed the people that were only on one of the wagons.
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Post Post #1330 (isolation #49) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:37 pm

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@Sampson I didn't look at the UD wagon I didn't even think to, I will go back and look at that.
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Post Post #1355 (isolation #50) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:49 am

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2nd attempt at VCA

@Sampson so I went back and looked at the UD wagon and the interesting thing about it wasn't so much who was on it but who wasn't. This was the final big UD wagon after soda jumped off.
In post 702, singersigner wrote:
Votecount 1.21

Updated as of post #701 (bump)

uncledaphne (8)
-
CSL
, Sampson,
Furcolow
,
Nobody Special
,
ZeekLTK
,
theamatuer
, kdowns, Alabaska J


The interesting thing about it is who was on it initially


In post 47, Powerrox93 wrote:
Votecount 1.2

Updated as of post #46

uncledaphne (1)
- Lowell


In post 64, Powerrox93 wrote:
Votecount 1.3

Updated as of post #63

uncledaphne (1)
- Lowell


In post 82, Powerrox93 wrote:
Votecount 1.4

Updated as of post #81

uncledaphne
(1) - Lowell



But never joined the wagon once it became viable.

And who joined the wagon after it died down.


In post 1000, Powerrox93 wrote:
Votecount 1.31

Updated as of post #999

uncledaphne (2)
- Toon Fighter, Lowell


In post 1026, Powerrox93 wrote:
Votecount 1.32

Updated as of post #1025

uncledaphne (1)
- Lowell


In post 1029, Powerrox93 wrote:
Votecount 1.33

Updated as of post #1028

uncledaphne (1)
- Lowell


If anything is to be learned by the UD wagon it is that Lowell is prob the last scum.

VOTE: Lowell
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #51) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:14 pm

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In post 1357, Sampson wrote:
@Lurconis: Why would scum-Lowell join the UD wagon after it dissolved? There was no chance of it going anywhere after the roleclaim.


Specifically so he could gain town cred with posts like


In post 1054, Lowell wrote:Hey my scum-reads are dropping left and right. Sweet. And I'm even sometimes right about them. Also sweet.

vote lurconis
. What say we pay attention to him today, right?


Him basically saying see i was kind of right.

Also I don't know why but the last paragraph of my last post got cut off but I went on to say that basically the amount of town on his wagon


In post 945, Powerrox93 wrote:
Lowell (5) - ZeekLTK, theamatuer, Nobody Special, PeregrineV, Furcolow


was worrisome.

@DemonHybrid Why do you think Lowell is town. Also I am not against a TF lynch, his lack of posting and lack of following through with promised reads does seem like scum trying to coast and as I said yesterday his jump onto CSL was bullshit.

In post 473, Toon Fighter wrote:came here to post. gonna read the thread and post again



In post 861, Toon Fighter wrote:I'm very sorry for not posting more often, but I was in LA and forgot to say it. I promise tonight I'll read the game and provide content.



In post 1101, Toon Fighter wrote:I had a post ready yesterday, but the mod closed the topic and I lost it -.-

In short, I believe at least one of the cop claims is bogus, but we shouldn't lynch any of them yet, and give 1-2 more days to come up with results and info on the setup.



In post 1305, Toon Fighter wrote:Well, my two suspects from yesterday are dead and both were town. Bummer.

I think we prob have a Vig, not SK among us. Reasons? The kills so far have been suspicious players, and I don't really think a SK would aim there, but to some of the better ones/PR like a mafia would aim.

I will make a new vote analysis (mostly for D1 and D2) with the new filps and post here when I have results.



In post 1327, Toon Fighter wrote:Hey, what's up with the "voting Toon fighter" club? I've tried to be helpful and pro-town during the game, but I haven't had much time for this game. College re-started a few weeks ago, busy days, not much time for the computer. I'll make a post shortly providing my analysis and top suspects so far.



He has been promising content, VCA etc and failing to follow through the entire game. It could be real life interfering but the game has been going over a month i'm sure there was time somewhere in there.

Also @DH I understand your reasoning for not thinking kdowns SK now. If the mafia didn't have a roleblocker they would of tried to kill kdowns and we would of had a night with only one kill. Makes sense kd = town.
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #52) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:47 pm

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@Flay do you find DH's fatalist attitude to be common with scum if so could you link me to any games where the scum acted similar?
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Post Post #1411 (isolation #53) » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:30 pm

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@Toon
In post 1407, Toon Fighter wrote:
Result: Leaning scum, but I can believe he's just newbtown


After 8 months on site you still consider him newbtown?
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Post Post #1430 (isolation #54) » Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:38 pm

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Still think Lowell is scum based off actions and inactions day 1 and 2 see post 1355. VOTE: Lowell

@Sampson what about the kills makes you think it is a Vig and not an SK?
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #55) » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:04 pm

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Yeah I can see how flay is being more aggressive today but that to me isn't more scummy than lowells previous behavior so my vote stands.

I disagree with DH being scum I feel he has been doing more scum hunting the past two days than everyone else even with his defeated attitude.
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #56) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm

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@Sampson If sk wasn't bulletproof wouldn't they of been just as likely to try and hunt scum as a vig?
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #57) » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:44 pm

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@AlabaskaJ you said you thought Flay was sk in the next post sampson pointed out if there are 2 scum and an sk and we lynch sk it is a town loss but you didn't unvote in your next post, why? Do you no longer think he is sk? If so do you think he is scum or vig? If vig why continue voting for a vig? If scum what made you change your mind from flay sk to flay scum?

Also you indicated you though DH and Lowell were scum partners then said but they couldn't be the scum team.

Possible scum slip? You know they can't be the scum team because your part of it?

Anyway after all this new current reads

Scum (Willing to lynch)
Alabaska J
Lowell

Null - scum
Sampson
Demon Hybrid
Flay

Possible SK
Flay
Sampson
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #58) » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:21 am

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@AlabaskaJ My mistake i marked on my spreadsheet you voted Flay with that post to be honest since you didn't you should be under null-scum instead of scum.

Are we allowed to post links to documents? If so I can link to my spread sheet might be someone else can notice something I didn't.

I'm fine with the mass claim.
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Post Post #1481 (isolation #59) » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:36 am

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Mod said it was ok google changed the format a bit but
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... E&hl=en_US

Posting from my phone so if it doesn't work I'll try again when I get home
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Post Post #1501 (isolation #60) » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:50 pm

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I'm just a VT sorry for the lateness had a busy weekend.

Next up Sampson
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Post Post #1514 (isolation #61) » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:20 am

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Assuming your above plan goes through and there are 2 scum left if you lynch me/sampson and there is town flip that means 5 alive night starts you ask vig not to shoot scum kill then 4 alive 2 scum = scum win.

If we mislynch today vig has to shoot as we would be dependent on crosskill.
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #62) » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:27 pm

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@DH/Flay we are still a week away from deadline can one of you explain the no lynch thing. I don't understand how it is better to no lynch as opposed to lynch a scum read?
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Post Post #1529 (isolation #63) » Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:08 am

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If I consider claims
1. Lowell
2. everyone else
If I disregard claims
1. Lowell
2. Alabaska J
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Post Post #1539 (isolation #64) » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:38 pm

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Ok so I realize this isn't particularly helpful but I have been running the numbers in my head and want to make sure I am looking at this correctly.


We have 1 or 2 scum left

6 alive

If we opt to no lynch and vig doesn't shoot mafia get a kill we have 5 alive 3 v 2 lylo or 4 v 1 mylo if vig does shoot and kills town it is 2 v 2 scum win or 3 v 1 lylo.

If we lynch town and vig doesn't shoot mafia get a kill 4 alive either 2 v 2 scum win or 3 v 1 lylo if vig does shoot and kills scum then 3 alive town win or 2 v 1 lylo. If vig shoots town then 3 alive 2 v 1 scum win or 2 v 1 lylo.

If we lynch scum and vig doesn't shoot then 4 alive 3 v
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Post Post #1540 (isolation #65) » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:41 pm

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Sorry hit submit by accident

If we lynch scum and vig doesn't shoot then 4 alive 3 v 1 mylo if vig shoots final scum then town win if vig shoots town 2 v 1 lylo.

So looking at it, if we end up no lynching or lynching town today then vig needs to attempt to get a kill tonight if we lynch scum today then vig should not fire as we have better odds tomorrow.
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Post Post #1541 (isolation #66) » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:44 pm

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Ack triple post

So never mind that last bit if we no lynch vig should not fire as flay firing could result in scum win, if we end up mislynching he should fire as it may be the only way to prevent a scum win, and if we lynch scum i guess it could go either way.
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #67) » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:40 pm

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@DH what about Lowell, do you have a read on him?
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #68) » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:59 am

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Work keeping me busy right now but @lo
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #69) » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:00 am

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Shit post got messed up w will re post after meeting
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Post Post #1575 (isolation #70) » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:08 pm

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Got really busy at work today then drinking sorry didn't post earlier but essentially lowell can you explain your rationalle behind your votes on day 1 in regards to your UD flip flop and also why you didn't comment on the soda wagon at all that day
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Post Post #1596 (isolation #71) » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:07 am

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Going to wait for alabaska and flays night actions and goin6 to reread demon and alabaska iso before making any decisions.
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Post Post #1601 (isolation #72) » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:14 pm

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Didn't even realize until your post you had outed yourself as scum to me.

I know i'm town I had thought it could be either DH or you. But with 1 scum it can't be DH because you cleared him N3 with your "results" either as a real mafia tracker or as a claim tracker and post results after knowing peoples roles to avoid needing accurate results.

VOTE: Alabaska J I know him 100% to be scum I realize DH/Flay you are guessing as you can't be positive of my own or alabaskas allignment to be sure so feel free to ask me anything you need explained. If Flay is Vig and not SK we can still win this.
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Post Post #1616 (isolation #73) » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:59 am

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Possible scenarios with 4 alive

1 scum 3 town
1 scum 1 sk 2 town
2 scum 1 sk 1 town

If there is 1 scum it has to be alabaska as there is no way it could be DH unless alabaska fake claimed tracker as town.
If there is 2 scum I do not see any reason for DH to bus at this point making me strongly doubt this scenario.

@flay just to clarify did you shoot sampson or no shoot
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Post Post #1625 (isolation #74) » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:36 pm

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so im dru niw but fay 2 and 3 prooff thayt alanaska scun tpownb wi, today
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Post Post #1635 (isolation #75) » Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:36 pm

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Ok so drunken post was about alabaskas actions day 2 and 3. I'll start with day 3

Alabaska's first post on day 3 was


In post 1231, Alabaska J wrote:
In post 1228, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 565, uncledaphne wrote:After rereading the important points of this thread I have bunched up my reads.


Town:
FlameAxe

Zeek
Sampson

Scum:
Sodaspirit

Lowell
Furcow

CSL

CSL seems the scummiest. So
CSL


Yeah, I do not suppose it could be this easy, but I've seen crazier things. I want to do a better re-read with three flipped scum, but for now,

Vote: CSL


wow. definitely a good observation.

flay, you can't possibly hold me not being on the sorgster lynch against me. it just happened too fast! also, i absent at the end of day one, so that's why i wasn't more involved in the lynch.

kdowns, sigh. well that screws with everything i was doin


He agrees with the CSL lynch without voting on it. Then the lynch count goes to L-1 and he says


In post 1236, Alabaska J wrote:that was fast…there are scum on this wagon


At this point the wagon was

Town
Toon Fighter
DH
Peregrine V
Sampson
TheAmatuer
Vig or SK Flay

He is setting up future mislynches by trying to get town to think scum has to be on that wagon and making himself look like cautious townie.

On day 3 he also seems to be debating on whether or not to try to push a kdwons lynch by going form

In post 1262, Alabaska J wrote:let's lay off kdowns for now. too much wifom. CSL, why are you so much more focused theamatuer than others? why are you certain he is scum if you are vanilla?


to

In post 1274, Alabaska J wrote:
In post 1266, DemonHybrid wrote:How about this: A roleblocker flip would clear kdowns?


not at all. so when you die and flip roleblocker, your scumbuddy kdowns won't be clear :P


in just 12 posts.

He started out day 3 by telling flay he couldn't be blamed by not being on the sorgster lynch because it happened too fast however on day 2 all he did for the most part was try to build an alternate case on DH and defended sorg/furc

In post 1145, Alabaska J wrote:

i hate to say this, but i'm almost 100% scum roleblocked a townie furc. if pink=UD, UD might have assumed furc was cop before double-checking the role pm, but if not scum could still have thought there were two cops and guessed wrong, choosing furc


Will look more closely at day 4 and 5 tomorrow
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Post Post #1640 (isolation #76) » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:53 am

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Flay I was going to reread just DH and Alabaska cause in my mind you are either vig or SK if your sk it is game over for town no matter what in this scenario unless we follow alabaska's lynch a townie idea. I'm choosing not tp drink that wine and just focus on scum.

I didn't fully realize at the start of the day that it had to be alabaska it wasn't until after alabaska's post voting me that i realized his results yesterday gave him away as confirmed scum.

I'm still not going to focus on your or DH at all as all it is is WIFOM, if you are an sk instead of a vig it is game over for town if we lynch scum and relies on cross kills if we lynch town, if DH and Alabaska are scum together, you would have to be SK or it would be game over. The only way town wins in that scenario is to lynch one scum and rely on cross kills. So i'm just going to concentrate on getting the one who is confirmed scum to me lynched.
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Post Post #1664 (isolation #77) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:45 am

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Roleblocked
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Post Post #1671 (isolation #78) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:51 am

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That was really a fun game. Just as fyi I killed sampson as alabaska narrowed it down to sampson and I and I thought yall would assume he was setting up a mislynch for lylo by eliminating 1 of his 2 suspects
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #79) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:53 am

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I was worried flay was a bp sk and game would end in a draw
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Post Post #1674 (isolation #80) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:56 am

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I was very worried during the massclaim as I visited 2 people every night I strongly considered fake claiming nurse to doctor
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Post Post #1678 (isolation #81) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:16 am

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I kept roleblocking kdowns because I thought he was an actual cop pulling an unclaiming gambit.

@sorg sorry for hammering you but I thought it would cement me as town
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #82) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:34 am

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Im just glad I rb your dh kill, I figured that would be your target but couldnt predict how you would vote
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Post Post #1684 (isolation #83) » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:36 pm

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If you had fake claimed that you tracked me to sampson, flay would know you were lying as you wouldn't of said i roleblocked him. If you thought i went after flay and flay shot sampson and said i visited flay, flay would know you were lying because he didn't kill sampson. If you had actually tracked me to flay and sampson we would of still been in the same situation with me saying your lying and you saying im lying. Don't really see it playing out much different. I could be wrong though.

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