Mafia 8 (Day 4) Oh boy what a night!

[MeMe]

I think we have to assume at least 2 SKs -- Porro uses the article "a" before "Serial Killer" in both instances (instead of "the") and after Green Crayons' scene says "meanwhile" for Cuban Smoker's...one Serial Killer can't do two things at once.

"Ouch" is right.

[MeMe]

Is that a ladder in your stockings? Or are you just happy to see me?

[MeMe]

FOS: SaberKitty

Seems like she's trying awful hard with her "thinking out loud" to make us believe the mod has screwed up and not given us enough baddies. Also is being overly confrontational pretty dang early in the proceedings.

[MeMe]

Yes, I know SKitty always thinks out loud, which is why I didn't vote her, just handed her an FOS.

SK votes Hitman...accuses Hitman of trying to start a bandwagon against DoomCow...hints that Hitman might have some information for the town about DC (she thinks he could be a cop, but voted him?). All of those things I find worthy of suspicion, especially since her "reasoning" seems to have convinced mathcam to vote for Hitman as well.

Really -- I think that Hitman's "random vote" of DoomCow is weird, but it's possible it was just a mistake on his part, who knows? Let him explain before voting him, just like I let SKitty explain before voting her.

[MeMe]

Go away, IS.

[MeMe]

~waves frantically at SaberKitty to get her attention~

Look! Look! Lystrodom put a second vote on ME randomly! Sic 'em!

[MeMe]

Oh, great. Just noticed that IS made me look idiotic by deleting his earlier post. Just to clarify: Internet Stranger posted in here even though he's not in our game and that's what "Go away, IS" refers to.

[MeMe]

Oh, sorry, didn't see that first one there, so since it's already been done,

Unvote: MeMe

Um. Yeah. So. Please fix that?

[MeMe]

Am not getting a "definitely guilty" vibe from anyone yet...so, with deadline looming I'll vote for a non-poster.

Vote: Mike Amok

[MeMe]

just wanna let you know that i'm here...just came from bowling and it's late..i work tomorrow...so i'll just head to the bed right now..promise i'll read the game and post...something...i just hope it's worth reading it...

His only post of the game so far (and it was edited, to boot!). Plus, he chose to spend his time bowling rather than scumming. I hate that.

unvote: Amok
vote: EscapedConvict

[MeMe]

Just thought I'd weigh in on this debate because...well...because I have an opinion.

I don't like lurkers. Period. When employed as strategy, it basically lays all the "work" on everyone else's shoulders. If it's because they don't have time right now, they should have the decency to post that they're out of town or whatever or wait until they know they'll have time before signing up for a game.

What you suggest, eillid, is to give the non-posters the benefit of the doubt. If anything, they should get the

consequence

of the doubt. Why defend someone who doesn't bother to defend themself? If it comes down to lynching either a poster who might not be guilty or a non-poster who might not be guilty, I pick to lynch the quiet one. To me, it seems that "prodding" is just a way of providing an opening for someone who possibly just hasn't found one on their own yet. Even it's not

always

effective,

sometimes

it is.

I'll keep my vote on EscapedConvict until he deems this sleazy game worthy of his attention.

[MeMe]

Happy the game has started again! Unhappy about the night's events.

So many people of whom to be suspicious...but, for now...

I find SaberKitty's disappearance from this game awfully weird. Her last post was on Jan. 5 (with the day lasting until Jan. 18). That's dang un-Kitty-like behavior -- and, eillid, before you get all upset thinking this is a prod, SKitty's been posting elsewhere so it's not like she broke all of her fingers or is plagued by porn pop-ups or whatever.

Prod...er...FOS: SaberKitty

[MeMe]

As it's your suggestion, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and get the ball rolling, cp?

The best leaders, after all, are good examples.

Yes - that's right - three (count 'em three) cliches in one post, folks!

[MeMe]

Nice post, pete. Out of them, though, it's Gaspode who looks the worst to me.

vote: Dragon Slayer

to get the day rolling and for suspicious silence. He complained that we were getting nowhere 11 days ago, and he hasn't posted since.

He beefed up the length of DS's silence by adding in the 6 actual days that our night took -- that was sneaky on its own, but added to his day one behavior...

Before I vote, though, I'm pretty irritated with all those still lurking around today. We have five or so who've said nothing on day two...and Cadmium has said nothing the entire game.

FOS (big time): Cadmium

(and Querciton, come to think of it, who posted only once to say "it started? gotta catch up" on day one)

Vote: Gaspode

[MeMe]

So...everyone collectively lost interest, eh?

~officially requests a deadline~

[MeMe]

Vote count (unofficial, of course, since our mod has abandoned us):

Diplomat

(4): Polotet, eillid, Trevize, Mike Amok

Trevize

(2): Sugar, Doomcow

Gaspode

(8): MeMe, Pim, casinopete, Werebear, CaptainBlicero, mathcam, Diplomat, Dragon Slayer

casinopete

(1): Gaspode

cp, you see any mistakes (since you've been keeping a running count, too, I think...)?

[MeMe]

Oh - and not voting:

Quercitron, SaberKitty, Night Stalker, Hitman, Cadmium, MatthewV, Tigris.

Listen, people. We need to get together and get this damn day done. Either we all decide to lynch a silent or we lynch Gaspode (current leader); I think those are the only options that can possibly work without deadline. Whichever is fine with me - I'll happily vote any of those listed above (with the exception of MatthewV, none of them have been very active that I recall).

Come on, let's remember that we're supposed to be

sleazy

not

LAZY

!

[MeMe]

Also, although I find Gaspode's voting habits and his tendency to ignore some things annoying and a bit suspicious, he doesn't strike me as the most suspicious of the lot at the moment.

What kind of role is "private investigator", Gaspode? What sort of things can you do?

One cop's dead, you assume there's at least one other cop, and then you? I don't believe your role claim (or that casinopete is guilty) at the moment, but I don't think that you're mafia, either.

As I said, I don't fully believe Gaspode's role claim. Maybe he's a sleazy detective? I don't think that he has a killing role, though.

OK - that's three times, eillid, that I've noticed you saying something along the lines of "I don't trust him, but I don't think he's mafia." This baffles me as I can't think of any reason it would be a good idea for a pro-town role to give a false claim. For me it normally goes "I think he's lying. So, I think he's scum." I never think, "Hmm, he's a liar, alright. But I'm sure he has a heart of gold."

And, CB

I'm willing to give Gaspode the benefit of the doubt for today, so....

unvote: Gaspode

... but please tell us what a "private investiagtor" does,

Come on, dude. Scroll up above your post just a *bit* and look at Gaspode's "specification on role" post.

But, I dunno. The way Porro's written this game - I would have probably immediately believed a claim of "gumshoe" -- but "private investigator" sounds too vanilla. Barring huge revelations, I'll keep my vote where it is, on Gaspode.

[MeMe]

Oh, and for the record, I agree with Dragon Slayer about revealing innocents.

Anyone who investigates/has investigated me has my permission to tell everyone I'm innocent.

[MeMe]

Geez. If you're telling the truth, I think that's a rockin' role. What are you whining about?

[MeMe]

Outting innocents is bad. Eillid is explaining it very well.

Uh, actually, eillid was confusing the hell out of me with half of the alphabet playing roles in his/her "explanation"...but

you

, Polotet, actually made sense (briefly, too! I sure appreciate that) and I see your point.

[MeMe]

I believe Trevize's claim, mainly because I checked back & on day one his first vote was Doomcow - then, on day 2, he specifically "agreed with Doomcow" -- which drew some heat of its own. So, it's obvious that he's doing what he claimed: stalking DC.

But I'm puzzled/irritated that he made a role claim because "everyone's voting" for him. Four votes when it's 14 to lynch is not a "claim or die" situation. By doing so, he's put himself (basically, an every-third-night cop) in jeopardy and has rendered his power useless, as it will be obvious for the rest of the game who he's checking.

Just an observation, folks.

[MeMe]

Ah - sorry - 12 to lynch, not 14 (it was 14 in my Ankh-Morpork game).

Just didn't want to be accused of purposely inflating numbers!

[MeMe]

I would be that Trevize is telling the truth and is useful. What he has done has looked strange and would be avoided by normal players. If he dies this night, I would be that Doomcow is scum (the person he is targetting, I persume)

Let's say Doomcow's innocent. All the mafia have to do tonight is knock off Trevize & they have a fall guy for the deed: Doomcow - gift wrapped personally by MV.

FOS: MatthewV

vote: that casinopete keeps the cards as his avatar forevermore

[MeMe]

Sorry for the double-post, but you know what?

unvote: Gaspode
vote: MatthewV

I think we could lynch Diplomat just because he doesnt seem to care anymore

Seeing as we've discussed the fact that there are several candidates who "don't care anymore" based on their total lack of posts, this seems eager to me. I mean, if I were going to lynch someone for not caring, it'd not be Diplomat (yes I realize he said "screw this" and it pissed me off - I always hate it when

anyone

stops trying to stay alive, but that sounded more like frustration talking).

[MeMe]

Pim...flip back a page to my double-post if you're truly interested in the reasons I'm voting for MatthewV -- and they have nothing to do with his seemingly altruistic efforts to save Gaspode. He's earned my vote with his "if Trevize dies and is innocent, Doomcow's probably guilty" comment (which can be easily exploited by mafia) and his "we can lynch Diplomat 'cause he doesn't care" comment, which shows lack of concern over whether we're lynching mafia or a frustrated townie.

And don't get all over me for doing "" rather than quoting...the essence is intact.

[MeMe]

Cool! All pro-town roles MUST enter this! Even if you have no creativity, type

something

out and submit it. Let's make sure the odds are good that this prize stays out of mafia/SK hands.

[MeMe]

vote: Quercitron

Based on the fact that both Cadmium & Hitman were replaced, but Quercitron wasn't, I have to assume he indicated that he was still participating...my assumption is that his participation takes place during the night.

Anyone got a better theory?

[MeMe]

Yes, Porro, could you be more clear about who was wielding the knife against Sugar? I think that Tigris is right -- knowing which role is responsible for which death(s) is necessary information.

[MeMe]

From day one:

Gah, this game started. How did I miss it?

and now:

Actually, I had completely forgotten about the game until Porro sent me an email during the night

Same excuse twice, quercitron? I've explained my vote against you, and it isn't that I'm trying to get someone lynched who

can't

defend himself as you allege...I was trying to lynch someone who

wasn't bothering

to defend himself. That's a big difference...especially since, based on the games I've read in which you were playing, non-partipication isn't one of your hallmarks.

A simple explanation would have probably been enough for me to unvote you...as you've chosen to throw a vote at me with no reason except "no fair! she voted me 'cause I wasn't here...and it wasn't my choice!" I'll keep my vote squarely on you.

[MeMe]

Thank you for making this day easy for me.

Sorry, just had to laugh upon reading your post again. I'd say today would've been your hardest day so far...you actually had to type!

[MeMe]

unvote: Quercitron

Drat...now it's back to the drawing board.

[MeMe]

querci, I think the reason Gaspode may not have been protected was because of the suggestion that the docs flip coins to see if they should protect him...even Gaspode himself thought it was a good idea:

For the record, I also recommended that the docs flip coins. Actually, now it's probably not in the mafia's best interest to target me, because there is a good chance the docs will protect me. The same might go for Pete (if the docs don't believe me). Of course, saying this will probably cause them to target me again, and then the docs will plan to protect me, and I'll be able to say this again, and so on. So just flip the coin, and whatever happens happens.

I don't want to vote yet, but I'm eyeing casinopete because of his tenacious accusations of Gaspode yesterday and then this little nugget at the end of the day:

I'm gonna go ahead and be completely shameless here.

I have been useful. I don't wanna die tonight. Please don't let me.

Seems like it could have been a clever way for scum to make the odds slightly better that Gaspode would be unprotected by swaying a doc or two to waste protection on cp. I mean, why on earth would cp think he would need protection? His two targets (gaspode & diplomat) were pro-town, so there's certainly no reason for mafia to want him dead -- even if he's innocent, he's been their good little helper.

I'll wait until some more people make it back to the game and I have the benefit of their input. But, for now...

FOS: casinopete

[MeMe]

"All this talk" about not protecting Gaspode? What, querc asks a question and I answer and that's too much? And what would you think would be "greater good" than protecting someone who has come out with an investigative role? And, one more thing, what do you think Trevize could have found out? If we don't lynch DoomCow today and Trevize shows up and actively disagrees with him,

then

he'll have some info for us (if he was telling the truth).

I pick someone to become obsessed with and I have to first vote to lynch him/her, then agree with that person the next day, then play hard to get the third (disagree at everything they say). On the third night I break into that persons home and find out what their role is.

Now, quit making the ruts deeper by posting without thinking.

[MeMe]

why were you much quieter on day 2 meme?

Hmm....

My first thought upon reading this: "Was I? I didn't know I was quieter!"

My second thought: "Let me check that out."

My third thought, after checking: "Matthew, you're an idiot."

Yes, that's right. I went back and COUNTED all the posts. Day one I posted 11 times; day two I had 16 posts. I also took the time to figure out what percentage of each day's total posts were mine. Day one: 10.1%...Day 2: 9.8%. So, are you talking about my .3% of total posts drop? Or the fact that I posted nearly 50% more on day two than day one?

You might want to work a bit more on that thinking before posting resolution. If you want to falsely accuse me of something, at least make it something that isn't easily checked...perhaps you could try your hand at

innuendo

? Being the blunt type, myself...

vote: MatthewV

[MeMe]

this is what i see about Trevizes role:

night one he chooses someone to stalk
day one he disagrees with that person
night two he does nothing
day two he agrees with them (I hope I didnt reverse these two days)
night three he breaks into their house and finds their role.

Once again, MV posts without thinking -- I quoted Trevize's role claim a little higher up and it includes playing "hard to get" on a third day before breaking into the house.

Strangely enough, I'm starting to believe that these errors may not necessarily signify scumminess, but just lack of care, as he keeps right on making new mistakes. Is that illogical? I don't know...it just seems like if he had been trying to get away with something and was called down for it -- not once but twice -- he'd be more careful in future (especially since his mistakes were resulting in votes).

unvote: MatthewV

I'll watch the proceedings for a bit...I'm still wondering where the heck casinopete is.

[MeMe]

Well, I hadn't been seeing the logic of voting for DS in the first place, and that's a good enough story for me, for now.

"Watching the proceedings" is a bit like "watching grass grow" in this game...so, I'll give that up and vote.

Because of my aforementioned suspicions of casinopete's behavior yesterday (chasing Gaspode doggedly and then asking for protection) and his silence today, he'll get my vote.

vote: casinopete

[MeMe]

Games don't work without posts. [/not kidding a damn bit]

[MeMe]

Waiting until you "have something to say" only means you're waiting for someone else to talk first. There can be no other interpretation to that statement, Corsato. If everyone waits to be a respondent...everyone will be waiting forever. Face it, mafia only works because of the people who

think

of things to say rather than waiting to be inspired by others.

As my attempts to kick this game into gear are apparently not appreciated, I'll refrain from posting for a few days to leave you all to your masterful minimalism.

~wonders if when I come back, this post will still be the last on the page~

[MeMe]

This is so far beyond illogical I didn’t think I really needed to answer it. I’d asked for the protection before either of their roles had been revealed, when they both still very much looked like scum. And, at the time, I had been the only one using logic of any sort in my accusations.

Oops. Sorry, I forgot that we didn't yet know the roles when you submitted your plea. No reason to get nasty, though, and to call me illogical. I mean, be objective, cp. As

logical

as you are, you have to admit that, in retrospect, your request looked scummy -- especially factoring in your silence. I'm surprised that since you claim to have been reading the game that you didn't take the two minutes to pop in and tell us you were currently a bit busy.

How can you cast doubt on my methods like this, MeMe, when you seemed to have absolutely no problem with my accusations before?

Well, I didn't have a "problem" with them -- I always love it when people talk. But, if you'll notice, I never followed your recommendations. Just because I didn't "complain" doesn't mean that you should infer that I was special-ordering a banner reading "Paragon of Sense" with which to festoon you. Yeah, you were literate, but you were still wrong. See? Logic ain't everything, apparently.

However, I'll give you the benefit of my doubt for now.

unvote: casinopete

And, just because I think it's funny (from page 6):

Please, speak up. The more people talking, the more fun this game is.

[MeMe]

And I'm sorry, folks...I know I said I'd refrain for a

few

days...but almost two days is close enough, isn't it? After all, I was killed in my mini and Ankh-Morpork's in its night phase and-and-and...well...I'm a junkie. OK. I've admitted it. And that's half the battle.

[MeMe]

OK - I've got a theory. See, I was a little irritated that Trevize hasn't shown up and done his thing (playing hard to get) so that he'd give us some info tonight on Doomcow. Then I realized that it would be impossible for Trevize to disagree with Doomcow since Doomcow hasn't shown up at all today, either. I thought this was weird, so I checked on Doomcow's other games and he's been playing regularly in them... So I thought, "Huh." Either he forgot about this game (easy to do, apparently) or he's deliberately

avoiding

posting in here so that Trevize can't disagree with him and gain access to his house tonight.

My question: Would an innocent person care?

vote: Doomcow

[MeMe]

If Doomcow's having internet problems, it's game-specific. Like I said, DC's posting in other games. I just checked and Trevize has been silent everywhere since before this day dawned.

[MeMe]

Wah! It was such a

good

theory, too!

unvote: Doomcow

[MeMe]

I'll add a vote to jadesmar. I'm back to wanting to oust the silent players (since all of my brilliant deductions have come to naught) and he's only posted once since taking over for..um...Cadmium I think? And that post was only to say he wasn't voting until he wrote his story. Trevize is the only player who hasn't posted at all today. SK's tip that he could be having connection problems added to the fact that I believed his story yesterday makes me unwilling to vote for him at the moment.

So...like I said...

vote: jadesmar

Could I change my vote a bit more frequently?

[MeMe]

DC, if you're going to be gone until the 8th, you're going to miss the deadline. Why don't you submit a vote now?

Come on, everyone, let's hear some chatter!

Hey, scummer scummer scummer...POST scummer!

[MeMe]

Well, gotta vote for the scum scum scum.

unvote: jadesmar
vote: Dragon Slayer

[MeMe]

And that makes 10 for Dragon Slayer, by my count (Mike Amok, jadesmar, MatthewV, Werebear, MeMe, Pim, SaberKitty, Corsato, mathcam, quercitron).

Now what am I gonna do? I just got killed in Discworld and this game is heading into night...will I be forced into real life activities?

[MeMe]

Good luck, town -- you're probably better off without us....

~so ashamed~