NY 151: Playground Mafia (Game Over-Mafia Win!)

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/that rudder wheel on some playgrounds. I like to pretend I'm a ship captain

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Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
-Mark Twain

(am i doin it rite?)

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Nihilistic Ninja and Mastin strike me as Town.

The people suspicious of him because of his recent re-invention of himself immediately have my suspicion, particularly LLD and rack. Seriously, people? He was doing this before the role PMs went out. This is public knowledge. LLD at least is not an idiot, and knows this, rack is presumably a hydra that contains someone who is not an idiot. Given this, their weak-ass spat with each other ("Passive"? Really?) looks like distancing. I'll be voting for one of them when the game officially starts.

I get weak Townreads out of Maxous, Nero Cain, and KK too.

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I'd say Redscum for that, but he's just normally that way

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Technically, confirm is all we're

supposed

to be doing right now. Seems unreasonable to hold that against scooby

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I'm trying not to be so biased against you, but from my perspective, I don't really care who the heads are, so you giving them a hard time about it strikes me as off. But then again, you're kinda off in general, so meh.

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^Add a weak Townread to CCV for this post.

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No. Here's the thing, Red. When people make hydras and decide to keep the heads hidden, they usually do it before they get their role PMs. It's not actually scummy to keep them hidden, they usually just want to try some new things and not be burdened by their history and preconceived notions of their meta. Give them a break; I've been falsely accused in a hidden Town hydra, simply because we didn't want to reveal. It's really frustrating.

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Confirm

Seriously? You see

motivation

in this? He simply confirmed. There was no motivation, either Town or scum, behind jack. He's posted one word.

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KK, he's deserving of pressure. Not of "NEEDS TO DIE NOW".

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@LLD: The date on the post he linked to was March 9th. Do your fucking research, you're not this newbish. Regardless, suspecting someone for an announced change in playstyle is stupid. If he didn't announce it, then people like you or I would jump on him for his change in behavior. Your suspicion creates double jeopardy, which is nonsense. You know better.

[quote="LLD]I said

I wouldn't mind him being lynched for that

, because I truly think that it's weird enough for him to suggest this that

he might need to die

. However,

I certainly would never lead a wagon him him based solely on this.

[/quote]
Lolwhut? Not sure if this is a backpedal, cognitive dissonance, or both, but it stinks to high fuck.

The LLD/Rack distancing connection stems solely from my early scumreads on them both, contrasted with the light but meaningless bickering they're developing. It stinks of distancing.

I find it incredibly amusing that LLD demeans Librarian's suspicion of Rack as going after an easy target, then unequivocally calls Rack scum later in the post. DISINGENUOUSLY DISTANCE MOAR, K?

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@Mod: Fix my quote tags in 134, kay?

Those last two sentences of 134 refer to LLD's dissonance in 133.

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LLD, you said AT LEAST two or three times that Mastin needed to die or he deserved a lynch. I even quoted one of them in my last post. If you're now saying that you didn't mean it, fine, that's your problem. Looked pretty fucking genuine to me.

The distancing between LLD and Rack is mostly from Rack's side. They had a small, toothless spat, then moved past it into ignoring one another. By itself, entirely circumstantial. Combined with

independent

scumreads on both, it looks like distancing.

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Maybe Rack, I want him to explain that Nero stance and comment.

Pine's defence of scooby is just weird. And unneccessary.
Why would you say it is 'unreasonable' to hold something against scooby when you agree that he is deserving of pressure for the same comment. Why even bother defending him at all if you think he deserves pressure?
And I want to know where the Mastin town read came from.

Having people screaming for a person's death when they haven't actually entered the game yet is a big pet peeve of mine. It pisses me off. If they've engaged with the game, and are withholding significant content (like Rack) then I condone it. All Scooby had done to that point was confirm, and people were ready to lynch him. What the fuck?

Mastin Townread is from experience and gut.

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Vote: Rack

Forgot to in my last post.

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Vote: Rack

Forgot to in my last post.

Not curious as to why I would be cool with a wagon on you?

Not really. You've already expressed suspicion of me a couple of times. A bit of healthy scrutiny is good for everyone.

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Vote: Gunny

Yeah, no.

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Oh bullshit, Mastin. I've seen you abuse your meta as scum, and recently. You're still Town here, but be honest with yourself.

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Guh. Thought that was newb scum overplaying a softclaim, but that's definitely newb Town.

Unvote
Vote: Rack

The suspicion of Firestarter has merit. Going to stick with my earlier vote

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With...?

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Lol how the fuck do people have a town read on me with two posts?

Vote pine

Why did you defend me?

I don't have a Town read on you. I don't have

any

read on you, come to think of it. As I've already stated, had you been reading, it's a major pet peeve of mine when people get attacked in the early game for saying something like "I'm here, haven't caught up yet." It's happened to me before. Hell, once as a Town PR I was lynched Day One within a couple of real days, just for being a bit busy and not caught up. True story, though I really don't feel like hunting down the link.

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@LLD-is the earth round?

Refrain from asking pointless questions, and adding more fluff to an already swamped game.

Do you have anything real to add? Are you still in favor of the Shotty PL?

Objection. The earth is in fact elliptical.

In seriousness, LLD dotpoint why Rack is scum please. Thank you.

An ellipse is a two-dimensional shape. Earth is a three-dimensional object, which makes it officially designated as an oblate spheroid. Thanks for playing the earth science game!

I'll catch up some time this evening.

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Yeah, I'm thinking you're onto something there, Red. Gonna stick with Rack for now, but it definitely deserves further attention.

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Bully for you

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You're replacing CCV?

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@Firestarter: How would you like me to further explain a statement that is synonymous with "I agree"? Other people made a case on you, and I didn't see any glaring flaws in it. Ergo, it has merit.

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@Maxous: Anyone who isn't providing anything solid deserves pressure, until they do so.

@KK: How in the hell can you call Rack's responses "responding well to pressure"?

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^These are scumposts. Check out his ISO. Coasting on some early contribution, now cheerleading leading wagons.

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Vote: Macros

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Oh hey! It's been a while since I've been a scum-led counter-wagon.

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GreyIce:

How likely do you think it is that Shotty will be lynched today?

Pine:

Who are the scum?

Macros and Rack so far. Unclear on Antihero, as his predecessor was pretty scummy, but he's been fairly Town thus far.

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@ Hez: Pine isn't dumb. Sorry. You may wanna rethink that read.

Ehhh, I can be

clever

. But I'm really not as good as you give me credit for. NY142 was an exceptional game for me, and I made some serious errors in that. I'm also pretty lazy when I'm not invested in a game, and this game just irritates me.

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Of course there's scum on Rack. There's always scum on a big wagon. I find it exceptionally suspicious that you're trying to derail the Rack wagon for that reason.

"Don't lynch my buddy! Water is wet! WET, MAN! OPEN YOUR EYES!"

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Mastin USUALLY only does this mega-wall-on-everyone when he's scum

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It isn't super-scummy. He just doesn't usually do it when he's Town. When he's Town, he usually has a handful of strong reads that he pushes until either he or they are dead, and he tends to write off a few others as Town as early as RVS. This mega wall on everyone generally means he's bullshitting his reads, but still wants to look like the "I'm working super hard" Mastin that we're familiar with.

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It isn't super-scummy. He just doesn't usually do it when he's Town. When he's Town, he usually has a handful of strong reads that he pushes until either he or they are dead, and he tends to write off a few others as Town as early as RVS. This mega wall on everyone generally means he's bullshitting his reads, but still wants to look like the "I'm working super hard" Mastin that we're familiar with.

Posts or it didn't happen

Seriously? This is an opinion formed over the course of probably 15-20 games played with Mastin. There is absolutely no way I'm going to spend the next day and a half proving what others will have no issue corroborating.

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34 pages? He really should

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What does a VT need clarification from the Mod? FAKECLAIM

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^Dude WIFOM

What the fuck does a VT need Mod clarification on? VT is VT. Ergo, VT claim is fake.

In related news, 2+2=4.

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And what would a hydra need clarification from the mod on? If there's a hydra problem, they talk with their partner. Not the mod.

Scooby can go tomorrow.

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What the fuck needed clarification? Hydra reveal is at your own damn discretion. Your OMGUS on me smells like desperate NS, as does your "I expect unvotes" nonsense.

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What are you jerking off about, Mastin? I'm on the Rack wagon.

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Oh right, I never came back from pursuing a lead on Macros. We can come back to him tomorrow.

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Vote: Rack

I can see what you're pointing out, Junpei. It's pretty weak, but plausible. Still, I'm not seeing NS/Rack as Town.

L-1, NS. Claim.

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Holy shit am I glad I had no part in this conversation.

@Mod: Request you delete all posts of these duelling diatribes, as they are completely irrelevant to the game and offensive to many listeners of many different stripes.

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Also, about the Pine thing, I do remember Sky claiming VT and then someone saying he was town for the way he acted. I do think it quite likely that it was Pine, and am quite willing to trust Maxous that it was the case. This is not the only thing that makes Pine scummy in my mind though.

No, that was definitely me. Maxous is taking my comment completely out of context, however. I'm not calling Scooby scum for the wagoned-to-VT thing, that was entirely irrelevant. I'm calling Scooby scum because he said he was clarifying something about his role with the Mod. WHAT DOES A VT NEED TO CLARIFY?

Also, I'm pretty sure Gunny is scum too. Universal Backup DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. Mason is not a Power Role, you don't inherit it. Fakeclaim is fake.

Vote: Scooby

The more egregious of the pair.

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Rack claimed way before he was at L-1, Maxous's comparison to Sky in NY142 doesn't hold water. Completely different situations, and completely different people. NS is exactly the kind of person I'd expect to claim VT as scum, just because scum don't usually do it.

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But he is.

No, he's not. Universal Backup DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. Gunny fucked up his fakeclaim. Mason is NOT a power role, any more than Miller or Godfather is. It's a status. Universal Backups don't inherit it.

Looking over Maxous's most recent castigation, I'm continuing to confuse Rack and Scooby. Scooby is still scummy for his trollish refusal to participate, but he's not the one who asked for VT clarification. I need to stop being lazy in this game and get serious.

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Vote: Gunny

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Read scooby's ISO and tell me he's not a lurking, opportunistic scumfuck. Seriously.

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@Mod: Mason is a Power-Role. Right?

^Scumclaim

If he were what he says he is, he would already know the Mod's opinion on this question

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Hey Mastin? When have you had a major scumread on me and actually been right? Further, when have you been right about me being scum, and I let you live?

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This game's just not fun, I'm having a hard time keeping up with the end of the semester, and I'm absolutely nowhere.

Mod: Replace /out please. Sorry.

@Replacement: Look long and hard at Macros, Mastin, and Scooby. I'm stumped as hell on Shotgun, he's dropping newbie scumtells and newbie towntells left and right.

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Fuck it.

Mod: I'll stick around for now.

Unvote
Vote: Mastin

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Pine:

What led you to change your mind?

Replacing out was bothering me. It seemed like a dick move to pull on a mod that I like, and my reason for wanting to leave was petty.

The pace of this game and the sheer volume of bullshit I have to wade through just to keep up is just plain annoying.

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Mastin is definitely scum. He's sometimes spammy as Town, but he rarely does this IIOA flooding unless he's caught scum.

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Didn't realize I was up for prod. I've been keeping up, this clusterfuck is just making me super apathetic.

Still pretty certain that Mastin is the way to go.

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/prodded

Finals

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I just requested replacement. My apologies to all, I'm just not capable of doing this game justice right now. Need to reduce my game load, and this was one of the ones that drew the short straw.