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Yeah, it's my responsibility to check a game I don't even know is running? No. Mod's responsibility to inform the players that the game has started, Mod's responsibility to prod players who haven't posted. I don't really have beef with T-Bone for failing, I blame the fucking Tigers. But neither should I bear fault for it.
BB (and any other replacements): I am a Town Neighbor. I'm neighbored with Bunnylover. Given site meta, I am quite certain that Bunny is scum. This is supported by the fact that Bunny treated me in our QT as if I were already confirmed Towneven before the game started. That isnota Town reaction, Town Neighbors should be suspicious as fuck of their neighbors, especially in a two person 'hood. He also lurked until called on it, made excuses, and (at least in the pre-Tiger thread) scummed it the fuck up.
Other than Bunny, my biggest suspect was Damon, but that's clearly a dead line of inquiry. I recall having strong Town reads on all participants in the Palisade hydra, except possibly Nacho. Haven't caught up yet, I'll get around to it soon. Bunny needs to die.
PE: Awww, shit. Who let McQueen in here?"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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This is totes scumMolla. Like, so hard it's giving me a boner from how obvious it is. With the sputtering, and brashness, and thedaringus to make him claim? BL trying to cover for his mate just makes it clearer.
Vote: BBMolla
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In post 264, SlySly wrote:VOTE: Nacho
Entered game as a replacement. Immediately soft claimed as being a mason with Mastin. Had a lengthy discussion with me about how masons can't be scum in a normal game. After thread disappeared, retracted soft claim.
This is so scum too. And false as well. You were ridiculously wrong about Masons, and Nacho didnotclaim OR softclaim Mason. The conversation arose from my claim about Neighbors, then people being idiots about how two Town Neighbors were basically Masons.
BL, BB, Slysly. Lynch to victory."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 286, mcqueen wrote:In post 283, Pine wrote:By the way, if we were two Town Neighbors, scum would have offed one of us to "expose" the other in order to get a free mislynch. They didn't.
Just like you weren't trying to expose Bunnylover?
I don't like the odor Pine's giving off, right now.
UNVOTE: - BBmolla back to L-3.
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This is a remarkably stupid post. Par for the course with McQueen, though.
I outed both myself and BL as Neighbors in my first post in the old thread, while BL was trying to keep it hidden. That isnotwhat I'm talking about in 286.
If we were both Townies, one of us would have been killed. The flip of a Town Neighbor would more or less condemn the other, giving a free mislynch. Since theydidn'tgo for the easy mislynch, that means that thereisa scumbuddy in the Neighborhood. It isn't me, adding to the volume of evidence condemning Bunnylover."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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You serious? In literally the exact same post, BB both denied that BL was providing him a defense, then used two points from BL's posts to defend himself. Kondi, you seriously need to stop refilling your prescription for moron pills."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 316, SlySly wrote:
In post 264, SlySly wrote:VOTE: Nacho
Entered game as a replacement. Immediately soft claimed as being a mason with Mastin. Had a lengthy discussion with me about how masons can't be scum in a normal game. After thread disappeared, retracted soft claim.
This is still just as bad and untrue as the last time you posted it."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 365, Oversoul wrote:In post 353, Pine wrote:Oversoul, didn't you know? Sly's scum.
This game is depressingly easy. BL, Slysly, BB, kondi. One of those is a derpfuck, the other three are our scumteam.
Is that an answer for my question or just a general statement?
I want Sly to answer.
Both. He voted for the cop because he's scum, though I'm sure he'll want to justify it as a Town action."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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@Projectmatt: I was ~80% (<--Made up number) certain that BL was scum based simply on the "2 Neighbors = 1 Town/1 scum" paradigm right from receiving my role PM. Then he tried to buddy up to me in the pregame, treating me as if he already knew I was Town when every indication would have been, were he Town, that I were scum. Then he scummed up the pre-crash. I'm absolutely convinced that he's scum, and absolutely nothing he's said has made me question that conviction. I have no plans for him flipping Town. I suppose I'd cross that bridge when I get there, and probably get lynched for my trouble. Wouldn't blame you much for doing it, either, given my insistence on pushing the setup spec angle on BL. Like I said, not worried about it.
PE: Yeah, Nacho, I'm pretty sure you're talking to a wall there. Sly's the only one who buys his bullshit, and I don't think he can be logicked out of this. He's pot-committed.
PE2: McQueen is voting me out of petulance at being called out for being a 9-year-old. Ironically, this tantrum merely reinforces that assessment, rather than doing anything to discourage it. You're pretty obvTown too, though. Looks like we've got the seeds of a banging Town coalition here."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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@390: "Confirmed" is bandied about a lot more than it is actually true. It's simply colloquial for "I'm positive of this person". If that's really the entire foundation of your case, upon which the rest of it completely falls apart, then you're really showing how little you pay attention.
@391: Actually, I hadn't read the new pages of D1 then, and didn't know that Damon had claimed. Hell, I still haven't read them. I'm using a modified replacement strategy. It's not like you ever learn much by reading what came before, and this strategy has never failed me. True story."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Apologies for my recent absence, I've had very limited access to the site in the last few days. It's been site-wide, confirm here if need be.
In post 428, knox wrote:In post 424, Bunnylover wrote:Sorry for my absent, a little hectic in my life atm.
In post 396, projectmatt wrote:Pine -I forgot to ask, is it possible to paraphrase or quote things from the QT or is that against the guidelines? I can't find anything regarding it in the game rules. I think it would be a gigantic help if you could paraphrase some of the things Bunny said, but yeah
This is what I said summary (in case I'm not allowed to copy+paste):
I claimed I was not scum.
Wonder why Pine was so jumpy to start calling someone scum
I explained what would happen if we assume one of us is scum, saying that the QT will be pointless
Then said that I would like to have someone to reflect ideas off, then decided on his alignment.
Thats all I said.
Pine do you agree with this? ^
More or less. BL has of course portrayed it in the perspective that gives the benefit of the doubt to him, but those are the basic facts. I began with saying that I suspected him, he pled "why can't we just get along" and that confirmed my suspicions that he wanted to use the thread to manipulate me. Town has no use for a Town-Scum Neighborhood, only scum does.
Still good on a BB lynch, Sly or BL are also acceptable."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Arright, so your argument then is to lynch me because I've annoyed and mocked you. I could forgive it if you thought there was a Town/Scum Neighbor dichotomy and had concluded that I was the Scum Neighbor, but you're just a butthurt ten-year-old.
McQueen has absolutely no credibility in my eyes anymore, and I will be making every effort not to engage in his ego-stroking until he grows the fuck up."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 447, Bunnylover wrote:In post 441, Pine wrote:Arright, so your argument then is to lynch me because I've annoyed and mocked you. I could forgive it if you thought there was a Town/Scum Neighbor dichotomy and had concluded that I was the Scum Neighbor, but you're just a butthurt ten-year-old.
McQueen has absolutely no credibility in my eyes anymore, and I will be making every effort not to engage in his ego-stroking until he grows the fuck up.
This is the problem right here.
You got it so stuck in your head that someone has to be scum in the neighbor that you refuse to consider anything else.
Holding onto site meta is going to get you lynched, and if your town you need to stop.
IN OTHER WORDS, I KNOW YOU'RE TOWN. AGAIN. AND WILL TRY TO LYNCH YOU IF YOU DON'T SHUT UP AND STOP PUSHING THIS ANGLE THAT YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT.
Seriously people. Bunnyscum self-confirms right here.
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No excuses, no one else. Bunny. Right now."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 447, Bunnylover wrote:Holding onto site meta is going to get you lynched, and if your town you need to stop.
How is this anything other than scum making threats?
HEY, STOP MAKING A CASE AGAINST ME, OR I'LL LYNCH YOU FOR MAKING A CASE AGAINST ME. NOT BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE SCUM, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING A CASE AGAINST ME."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I'm quite serious. What the fuck are you talking about? I present an actual case on BL, and you say I'm making excuses. Please explain."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I lol'd"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Normal number of scum in a 17-player game is four.
"Townslipping" is a colloquial way of saying that a person did or said something, usually an error, that's very hard to fake, and clearly demonstrates a Town thought process. Several people are saying that when I figured for a scumteam of three, thinking it was a Mini Normal. Scum tend not to even think that way, as they already know the scumteam"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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It makes so little sense, he had to say it twice.
If BL is a Townie, then the logic of scum shooting one of us to cast suspicion on the other still makes sense. BL shouldn't be trying to fatalistically "get it over with" he should be trying to absorb a NK.
This is a pity play on BL's part, and an ATE to the max."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Are you really this dense, or do you just play it on TV?
If one or both of us are Town, we wouldn't have fakeclaimed Neighbors. Therefore, we are either both scum, or both actual Neighbors. Therefore, you're suggesting that we're both scum, and I'm pushing my buddy's death, when said death would result in a flip that would get me lynched too.
Youtryand sound logical with the reference to Occam, but you haven't actually applied any reasoning to the situation. Go back to your hole, or do something productive."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I have never wavered in thinking you're scum. No idea how you twisted that into anything different.
Neighbors are not always going to be Town/Scum. But most of the time, they are. Hence my initial suspicions. Then your pre-game behavior, reaction to being suspected, later odd actions, and most recently your "woe is me" massive AtE and self-vote locked me in. If you're NOT scum, you need to go back to Newbie games.
And your proposed "wouldn't scum always claim Neighbor" scenario is moronic. The problem is that when the loser of the double bus flipped, they'd flip as a non-neighbor, bringing their buddy down with them. It's like scum fakeclaiming Masons together - it can be effective, but only if they never get killed. They irrevocably lock themselves together. That's why Andycya deserves chiding, for not thinking through his suggestion. Besides, they could simply double bus the life out of one another to a very similar effect.
Bunnylover wrote:Lynch me, scum will probably have to NK you if you are town as I'm fairly sure the town isn't crazy enough to lynch you if you aren't killed.
This quote makes sense, but only if BL is convinced we're Town/Town Neighbors, or if BL flips scum.
Bunnylover wrote:I'm still not liking Pine nor Sly.
Whoops! Cognitive dissonance."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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McQueen is Town. I'm down with a Palisade Town bloc. (<--That is how you spell it. "Block" refers to an object of some solid substance shaped into a rectangular prism, or an area of a city enclosed by continuous roads, or a defensive maneuver that halts an opponent's attack, or a pulley on a ship, or a few other things. A "bloc" is an alliance of entities with similar goals.)"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 552, mcqueen wrote:In post 551, projectmatt wrote:In post 550, Pine wrote:Scumpoints to chkflip
For hammering on the person you've been tunneling on a day before the deadline..?
Nice.
For hammering before Kondi had a chance to post his catchup. That's exceptionally scummy.
Oversoul, BL simply had a better votecount than I did. He knew he wasn't done. Don't be a jackass, we can't afford a no-lynch."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 565, Andycyca wrote:In post 522, Pine wrote:Are you really this dense, or do you just play it on TV?
Ad Hom right there.
It isn't ad hom when I go on to actually tear your argument to shreds using simple logic. Ad hom is when I attack you instead of your argument - I did both."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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BBmolla - 1 (Twistedspoon)
Nacho - 2 (SlySly, Nacho)
Pine - 1 (BBmolla)
Bunnylover - 6 (Kondi, Pine, Chkflip, Bunnylover, Projectmatt, Andycyca)
SlySly - 4 (Knox, Mcqueen, Kise, Mastin)
Matt - 1 (Oversoul)
Twelve and a half hours left. I'll support either of the bolded lynches, and anyone not choosing between them at this point might as well cast a vote for No Lynch"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Bunnylover - 4 (Kondi, Chkflip, Projectmatt, Andycyca)
SlySly - 6 (Knox, Mcqueen, Kise, Mastin, Bunnylover, Pine)
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That cheek from Sly is making me switch.
Vte: Slysly"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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@Mastin & Nacho: Of those on your list (we disagree about BL, but I'll let it slide for now) I have the strongest scumread on BB, followed closely (and rising) by Chkflip (for his really scummy actions late yesterday).
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Ehhh...that's faulty logic. I know that when I'm scum, I often pick people I don't think are going to accrue Doctors or Watchers, and I almost always pick targets that are going to make Town go "Huh?" Well, unless I have an agenda. But that's the problem with NK WIFOM."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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In post 393, BBmolla wrote:BL seems townier than Pine imo. I don't understand why people think Pine is town because "BL is scum" when BL seems town to me.
In post 417, BBmolla wrote:UNVOTE:
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I prefer this over BL lynch.
We have four days folks, we need to figure out who we're lynching so we can deal with claiming.
Actually, I'd love that. Why am I scum, BB? I just read your entire ISO, and couldn't find a single reason you've posted, discounting your rant post-crash about how I didn't post at all on D1."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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@Matt: Sly flipping Traitor has zero effect on my confidence in BLscum, for obvious reasons that Oversoul mentioned. However, I'm not pushing hard on him right now because I'm having independent, errant doubts about BL. The net result is still BL=scum, but I'm very concerned about confirmation bias.
Besides, if BL is scum, he's basically a goon. I have other strong scumreads, and it's very likely they'll flip scum PR. Also, we've already identified BL as a prime candidate. He's not going anywhere"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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