Mafia 158: Titanium. Game over

[evilpacman18]

I forgot I was in this -_-

[evilpacman18]

McStab are you scum?

[evilpacman18]

Looked into Maenara and Smashbard a bit. Both seem to be playing differently from their extant newbie games as scum.
I like Maenara's opening post but voting someone who probably just softclaimed a PR just because they're being stupid is not the way to go about being town.
Eleison, the sake of obscurity? What point is there in being obscure as town?

[evilpacman18]

McStab and I recently had an interesting game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=23126

[evilpacman18]

I skimmed a lot of your previous games from the past year, none of them had you as scum. So that doesn't help me much. Maybe I wasn't looking hard enough. I do however enjoy your style as town. Very short and concise, I hate wall o' texts. So if you're one of the good guys I'm pretty happy.

But seriously, the only two answers you could possibly get from asking "Are you scum" are the obvious "No" or a sarcastic "totally". You gain nothing from such a question.

Actually it's got some legitimacy to it. The point of the question isn't necessarily what people say in response it's how they say it. If someone answers it nervously or takes it too seriously, they're more likely to be scum, if someone treats it jokingly or sarcastically, they're more likely to be town. Punctuation, the length of the answer, whether or not they even respond to it, everything is an indicator of a certain mindset. It's nothing to base a read on, but it counts as something. I got town vibes from McStab's answer this time.

PM's alignment will reveal itself in time. No point in this now.

[evilpacman18]

Although I'm very much looking forward to him "getting to that."

[evilpacman18]

^ scum #1.

[evilpacman18]

@Jun: No, I think it would've been clear to me at this point if he was a PR.

You misunderstand my purpose, or perhaps I misconveyed it. By pressuring PM, one can find out if he's scum; he may out himself as VT, but regardless, we can confirm his alignment by applying pressure.

You were perfectly clear. He's forcing maligned intent into your posts.

[evilpacman18]

And that's not even the only thing that's terribly wrong with that post.

[evilpacman18]

McStab could very well be scum. I'm not buddying at all. I didn't read him well at all last game but that was heavily based on circumstance, rather than his posting reading like scum to me.
Don't think that I'm setting up my reads for the rest of the game already. I guarantee you they'll change as the game goes, I just tend to sound pretty sure of things early on. My reads on Maenara and Smashbard are based on differences in their RVS votes as scum and their RVS votes now. It's not much to go on, but I'll add to them and they'll probably be drastically different by the end of the day. Haven't we played together before?
You're probably right about McStab's answer to my question being made irrelevant.

Jun's post is bad because it goes like this
>FOS on someone he thinks is scummy
>makes contrived RVS vote after just saying someone is actually scummy
>lulzy ignorant setup speculation on a closed normal. (I mean he knows what a C9++ is but doesn't know how a closed normal works? That's kinda bull don't you think? I don't even know what a C9++ is.)

Can we please not have McStab vs. Hiraki?

[evilpacman18]

So, you did it again, you think someone is scummy but you vote another person, why is that?

Is this something he does frequently?

Closed normal - the wiki has a list of roles considered normal. Any of them can appear with any applicable normal modifier. Setups are created by the mod, and approved for normalcy and usually balance by a small group of reviewers. There's no way to predict what might be in the game and trying to outguess the mod is generally a bad idea....

[evilpacman18]

What happens when you over speculate on the setup
Read the first 5 pages. They're easy and pretty hilarious.

[evilpacman18]

6 actually

[evilpacman18]

@Hiraki - Why is Theomoaner scummy?

Because he made something that's not scummy at all into a scumtell

that's fake scumhunting

which is scum scumhunting

donezo

Jun didn't do this?

[evilpacman18]

Lol at mechanics discussion. Loller at numbers discussion. Lollest at the amount of attempted logic up to page 3.

It's like watching children bicker over the rules in gym class freezetag. I see more arguing over meta and interpretation of post "sarcasm" than anything else.

In fact, I should ask for a raise of hands, for anyone who is actually trying right now.

How about contributing in a way that helps to fix the issue then, instead of sitting back and watching it happen?

[evilpacman18]

oh I just realized theomoaner is scummy. Bad read on PM is bad and possibly was supposed to fake some justification of the vote that's really just there to capitalize on the terrible PM pressure wagon.

[evilpacman18]

what

[evilpacman18]

oh I just realized theomoaner is scummy. ...

Did you just "realize" this or were you told to vote this way by your scumbbudies in your QT?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: EvilPacMan18

It's not like you just noticed my post that yo "just realised" is quite scummy as it features quite prominently in your post 59

This is now a serious vote. You can analyze it anyway you like.

The vote count made me go back and check out all the votes on PM. Yours is the worst.

Hey guys, I'mma leave my vote on evilpacman18 because he has FOS'ed many times yet has refused to vote. Maybe if we get enough votes on him he'll be forced to vote someone and actually do something. EPM put your money where your mouth is. Not voting, I have learned, is scum trying to avoid making a stand.

VOTE: evilpacman18

Why haven't you decided to vote yet?

The game I linked is the exception, not the rule. I never RVS vote and I'm always conservative with my votes.

[evilpacman18]

Who I think is town:
None of your business.

Once I'm done with theo, your buddy, you're next. Then Pirate and then Russian Roulette.

Everyone loves games, so let's play that one after the hard work is done.

This is a fine enough plan. Not sure about pirate.

vote: theomoaner

[evilpacman18]

Jun tell me.

Why is it so important to you that I vote immediately?

[evilpacman18]

Jun tell me.

Why is it so important to you that I vote immediately?

Tbh I just wanted to see how you'd react just because it did strike me as mildly scummy to call someone out for not voting a FOS and then not vote your FOS yourself. I dunno, your response strikes me as townish.

UNVOTE: evilpacman18
VOTE: theomoaner

He seems the scummiest to me so far for engaging in rather 'meh' scumhunting.

I wasn't calling you out for not voting the one person you'd called scummy. I was calling you out for calling someone scummy and then voting someone randomly. Also my response strikes you as townish? I gave you one factual sentence, it would've still been true if I was scum. Not to mention, you're being stupidly opportunistic. Literally this same page you just backhandedly complimented theomoaner's scumhunting for being the only other person that can see I'm being scummy, according to you. Now you're hopping on his wagon because his scumhunting is "meh?"

NO.

unvote

the theomoaner wagon is a red herring anyway, it's already gaining traction too quickly. I'm gonna wanna lynch Jun.

[evilpacman18]

Slandaar looks town, this is good.
Jun is still fucking up.

vote: Jun

PM vote, really? Because he didn't show up as soon as it hit page 6? That's your case? Even though he said he'd start posting reads after AFTER page 6, not specifically on it? Mmmmkay.

Hiraki, taking your town read on Jun back would be advisable.
pirate's ridiculous flailing will resolve itself I'm pretty sure, if he's scum it'll be all too obvious by like D3.
Smashbard's gutread on pirate is just inexperienced town reacting to very bad posting. Smashbard, I'm not gonna tell you to stop having a scum read on pirate, idc about that, but don't start tunneling. Your case is all in 149 and 153, I want your next posts to be about something else.
Thurhame is possibly scum with Jun.

[evilpacman18]

Bad town is still town. Wait to see if there's a vig or something that can resolve it without wasting a lynch on town first day.

[evilpacman18]

it is an ongoing game discussion cos it is still going on

[evilpacman18]

life has hit pretty hard. Hope to be back tomorrow evening.

[evilpacman18]

ugh

unvote

that's not going anywhere. I think I'd prefer to lynch theo to mollie.

[evilpacman18]

Wait why are we acting like numbers scum slipped so obviously we just quicklynch?

[evilpacman18]

I'm gonna hammer the first person to reach L-1 so that I can give myself time to catch up over the night.

[evilpacman18]

vote: mollie

just in case

[evilpacman18]

I'm tempted to just ignore the fact that I haven't read the second half of the past day and start from here. Is it worth it?

[evilpacman18]

And to Evilpacman, I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell everybody who has acted like this Day 1. If you don't feel like participating or putting in the effort, replace out. Just, replace out. It's a helluva lot better than just sitting around being the crotchety old man complaining about how "bad" everyone is being at this game that you can't be bothered to pay attention. Let someone who wants to play the game take your spot. It's not like you've done anything so far of any worth.

Let's be real though, this isn't the best player list.

[evilpacman18]

Meh I'm not gonna get back into this.

Mod: /replace out

You have my sincerest apologies