NY Mafia 155 - New Age Mafia II - Game Over!

[Bella]

VOTE: thestatusquo

Hi Shea!

[Bella]

Glotk, tell me who the scums are.

Obvious sheeping scum.

[Bella]

Glotk, tell me who the scums are.

Obvious sheeping scum.

I find your jump to conclusions here to be troubling. Like, I get the argument that I am sheeping, that much is plainly obvious (although one could easily claim that I was just trying to make glork take stances on different players in the game. I wont claim that though, I was blatantly sheeping)

But to say its scum motivated is bizarre. Are scum more likely to sheep onto strong scum hunters? I don't necessarily think so. So it seems like a very vague attack without much basis. What was the purpose of it?

Vote: Bella

To call you obvious sheeping scum? :p

I tend to fall on the side of people thinking Tierce is just trying really hard to impress the glorious playerlist with her superwaesome play than being scummy. She just loves us and wants us to like her. <3

[Bella]

I want to lynch Bella.
Post 1 is a random vote.
Post 2 is either a joke (more on that to follow) or it's an attack on thestatusquo:

Glotk, tell me who the scums are.

Obvious sheeping scum.

But it's a ridiculous attack because it's obvious that TSQ is purposefully being obvious, and there's no scum reason for him to do that. And as shea pointed out, Bella doesn't explain why TSQ's sheeping makes him scum. She just throws out a mafiawiki-ready scumtell and expects to slip by with that.

Post 3 is even worse:

Glotk, tell me who the scums are.

Obvious sheeping scum.

I find your jump to conclusions here to be troubling. Like, I get the argument that I am sheeping, that much is plainly obvious (although one could easily claim that I was just trying to make glork take stances on different players in the game. I wont claim that though, I was blatantly sheeping)

But to say its scum motivated is bizarre. Are scum more likely to sheep onto strong scum hunters? I don't necessarily think so. So it seems like a very vague attack without much basis. What was the purpose of it?

Vote: Bella

To call you obvious sheeping scum? :p

I tend to fall on the side of people thinking Tierce is just trying really hard to impress the glorious playerlist with her superwaesome play than being scummy. She just loves us and wants us to like her. <3

TSQ asks her to explain her reasoning, and Bella deflects completely.
Unless the whole thing is a joke (it's hard to tell because of the smiley and the idiocy of it all), in which case the entirety of Bella's posting has contained absolutely no content.

And she then defends Tierce by
a. Trying to flatter everybody on the player list
b. Trying to look cute by posting a "<3" smiley.

And that's the entire posting history of Bella. For a grand total of 3 posts.

Unvote
Vote Bella

I'd lynch the following in this order:
1. Bella
2. UT
3. nhammen

We're not lynching Tierce.

I'm fine with a mass claim. Don't get Quag's vague argument against it at all.

Massclaim is good, since it'll ensure you're not going to lynch me.

[Bella]

Izzy, what the fuck.

Hmm?

[Bella]

Prod dodging, waiting for my turn in mass claim!

[Bella]

Can we just lynch Umoms like we wanted to ten pages ago? This is ridiculous.

wtf umoms is town as fuck

vote glork

diescumdie

umoms is also creating the impression that they are avoiding mass claim, though. That is a legit reason to vote for them.

Your vote seems silly, imo.

[Bella]

No, what we should do is carry on, and judge anyone who opts out accordingly.

[Bella]

list of people who need to step the fuck up aside from those I just mentioned: izzy, iaun, stag

so basically half the game is completely useless at this point

also would like to point out redff starting the massclaim while we were still discussing it and then suggesting we stop it - that's putting up all sorts of red flags for me

Yeah, my role is severely curbing my motivation to act like a townie on account of it being unnecessary since I'm not going to be lynched.

Innocent Child.

[Bella]

I concur with redFF. I never thought I'd type that sentence.

[Bella]

VOTE: Quagmire

Simple problems demand simple solutions.

[Bella]

Just a note to say I will be v/la over the weekend, as my daddy is visiting.

[Bella]

Now AGar has confirmed that he shot Quilford, can we kill Singer?

[Bella]

Fred, you're almost as bad as me at this.

Wish there was some idea of who Primate had covered.

I would hazard a guess that he either protected the claimed cop or the mod-confirmed town player.

Got a guilty on singersigner last night.

Should have been your first post of the day, dumbass. I believe you, since the way you opened the day practically screamed "Look at me, I R teh awesum skumzcacherz" in an irritatingly smug way, but you left the door open for other people to not believe you.

Psyche, non-sane cops can't be used in normal games.
The thing is, I didn't believe psyche's guilty until singer went "JUST IN CASE I GET A LYNCH ON THE DUDE GOING AND HE FLIPS COP, DIS BE EXCUSE OK?"

Also yeah quil was obvtown and if that was our only vigshot then woosh.

Then why did you vote for singer before her post that apparently confirmed here as scum to you?

don't lynch singer yet, k guys? i still need to post (can't now, bedtime)

I am kinda curious about this.

[Bella]

Then why did you vote for singer before her post that apparently confirmed here as scum to you?

That was me going along with it, having forgotten that I actually had a townread on singer at the end of yesterday.

I fine this highly suspect. I'd go as far as to say that if/when Singer flips scum, I'd be willing to call you essentially confirmed scum for how you quickly shifted your read and posting after she made her post.

derp

mod: would a gunsmith get a guilty on a serial killer? How about a cop? How about a vig? How about a mafia godfather?

"The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

Using these guidelines, Gunsmiths are considered Normal on mafiascum.net."

[Bella]

VOTE: Staeg

[Bella]

Stag's not a useless vote, he's totally scum for the reaction to the Singer investigation result and Singer's reaction to the investigation result.

[Bella]

What exactly are the objections to a Stag lynch?

[Bella]

The claim is a stupid reason to ignore the fact that he's scummy as all hell and should be dead already.

[Bella]

This is way consistent with Stagscum, too, on top of all the other things that make him worth lynching.

[Bella]

It's time to bag a Stag and kill some scum.

[Bella]

Stag is a great play, on account of him being scum, Quag.

[Bella]

Also, I'm having second thoughts on JD. His "RAWR BE ACTIVE AND DO WORK" crusade is getting to the point where I feel like he's been no less helpful to

actual scumhunting

than some of the people he is calling out. Whining and bitching about Izzy, me, et al has made for a great smokescreen of not actually trying to push a lynch on his prime scum suspects.

Maybe it's just paranoia. But it's been bothering me since yesterday when I started paying attention to the game again.

It's paranoia.

[Bella]

This is way consistent with Stagscum, too, on top of all the other things that make him worth lynching.

Explain

Ongoing games, so no specifics. Scatterbrained Stag forgetting things from the game is very consistent with Scum Stag making things up quickly on the spot without fully thinking it through.

[Bella]

I am finding this RhinoX case quite persuasive. I still think Stag is the best lynch right now, but RhinoX is a cause I might consider backing.

[Bella]

Unvote, Vote: Rhinox

Since a vote on Stag at this point is next to worthless, unfortunately.

What he said. I'm more comfortable with a Rhinox wagon than a scooby wagon.

VOTE: Rhinox

[Bella]

The deadline is looming. We can let things carry on as they are and no lynch. This nets the town nothing and is pretty much a useless approach to take. We can lynch Scooby, and get a probable town flip which is even worse than a no lynch. We could lynch Rhinox and deal with his awkward claim, thus removing an obstacle to town finding scum and/or netting us a scumbag. Or we could rush to somebody else who needs to die (aka Stag).

Stagwagon seems unlikely to come to pass before deadline. Thus, we should lynch Rhinox at teh very least as a practical matter.

[Bella]

I do not like this wagon at all.

[Bella]

Good job getting your no lynch, Tierce.

[Bella]

Sigh. Rhinox is still a better lynch. Stag is still the optimal lynch. Congratulations.

[Bella]

No, I don't think I want to vote Rhinox. I want to vote whoever pushed that god awful Flameaxe wagon yesterday. Because holy shit that looks so bad it's not even funny.

Glork and Tierce pulled the Flameaxe wagon out of their collective asses. If you had to lynch one, who would you prefer?

[Bella]

No, I don't think I want to vote Rhinox. I want to vote whoever pushed that god awful Flameaxe wagon yesterday. Because holy shit that looks so bad it's not even funny.

Glork and Tierce pulled the Flameaxe wagon out of their collective asses. If you had to lynch one, who would you prefer?

Have you looked at the context?

Both wagons were stalled. Glork and I have townreads on Rhinox. If my townread is being wagoned that close to deadline and the choice is between a no-lynch, lynching a townread or lynching a null read, I'm going for option c).

Unless you've undergone a severe Canadiaplasty, you are not AGar.

[Bella]

You'll always be Canadian to me.

[Bella]

You'll always be Canadian to me.

You also didn't answer the question.

[Bella]

VOTE: MichaelSableheart

[Bella]

@Bella: any chance of you giving an explanation for your vote?

I'm sure there's some.

[Bella]

VOTE: Glork

[Bella]

I mean this whole "I'm not going to make a case on Quag 'cause I'll get lynched for it" debacle is ridiculous. You're more likely to be lynched for not making the case if there's actually a case to make. Couple this with your sudden, violent shift from "Rhinox is totally town guys, based on this thread y'all can't read" to "Rhinox is totally more scum than Quag 'cause I'm voting for him", and you're on shaky ground, buddy.

[Bella]

I'm still waiting for Glork to show up and make the case against Quagmire if he wants us to seriously think he's not scum.

[Bella]

It's not like Glork hasn't been around. He's had opportunities to come in here and post his case - or at least post to say he's compiling it and needs more time. Instead, he's avoiding the thread.

[Bella]

I'm still waiting for Glork to show up and make the case against Quagmire if he wants us to seriously think he's not scum.

Whether or not you think us gunsmiths are infallible or not (and you shouldn't), don't you think we have time to sit and wait on us before making some kind of decision? There are three claimed power roles (four if you include Rhinox) and I'm willing to bet at most one of those four is scum. So, we could sit on this info and wait. IMO the only one of these four who have any threat at being killed overnight soon is AGar, who noone seems to think is scum.

This is irrelevent.

Glork still needs to post his case.

[Bella]

unvote,

VOTE: Scooby

[Bella]

VOTE: Glork

[Bella]

unvote

[Bella]

VOTE: Quagmire

[Bella]

Mmm, I could buy either of the neighbours as scum, tbh, and there's a theory rolling around in my head based on nothing that says they're actually the scum team together. I'd take Glorkscum over Rhinoxscum at the moment, though.

[Bella]

Mmm, I could buy either of the neighbours as scum, tbh, and there's a theory rolling around in my head based on nothing that says they're actually the scum team together. I'd take Glorkscum over Rhinoxscum at the moment, though.

And yet, you're happy to vote for the same wagon as "Glorkscum".

Where in that quote did I say either of them were necessarily scum? All I was saying was that Glork is more likely to be scum in my mind than Rhinox.

[Bella]

Mmm,

I could buy either of the neighbours as scum

, tbh, and there's a theory rolling around in my head based on nothing that says they're actually the scum team together.

I'd take Glorkscum over Rhinoxscum

at the moment, though.

Emphasis mine. See my point?

No?

Saying I see the potential for either to be scum and that I favor Glork over Rhinox if we went in that direction is a far cry from saying "Glork is scum".