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vote: zabriel

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you're funny

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why are you sheeping the bird?

why is voting for the same person automatically a sheep? you're giving my actions motivations without actually trying to find out my motivations.

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i could go for zabriel, bloodcovenant or rob right now. zabriel best bet.

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i could go for zabriel, bloodcovenant or rob right now. zabriel best bet.

well, tell me then. Why zabriel?

very well, but you should know its your fault that people won't get a chance to form their own opinions about this and will instead adopt my awesome opinion

Wow. Miller claim already. Seems legit. BC=Obvtown.

if zab had simply said "miller claim. bc=obvtown" i would have thought nothing of this post. but no, its "wow," its "already," and it "seems legit," which makes zab "seem way too excited" to either already know who he doesn't have to nightkill, or be pushing his buddies millerclaim through to the town list (still too early to tell which, but we will kill you before too long too and find out, don't worry)

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tazaro, what between post 17, where you were sufficiently unsure to unvote, and post 23, where suddenly you like your (non) vote on me, changed enough for your to lose that unsure-ness?

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Wow. Miller claim already. Seems legit. BC=Obvtown.

if zab had simply said "miller claim. bc=obvtown" i would have thought nothing of this post. but no, its "wow," its "already," and it "seems legit," which makes zab "seem way too excited" to either already know who he doesn't have to nightkill, or be pushing his buddies millerclaim through to the town list (still too early to tell which, but we will kill you before too long too and find out, don't worry)

or you may have just outed the cop.

or you may be role fishing way too hard right now

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ebwop: and you may be unnecessarily appealing to fear already

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ebwop2: and if that did actually "out the cop" its on you for saying that stupid shit out loud and not on me for saying something else entirely (the actual argument which you ignored to spout your bullshit, which in this business we call a strawman)

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I'm clearly looking at your reasoning in a different perspective. You're single minded, you thought of only one possibility with his post, i looked at it a different way. suddenly that makes me role fishing. No, it doesn't.

if you actually cared about understanding whether or not i was scum you would look at my reasoning from my perspective and wonder if that reasoning makes sense from town, not make up some new perspective to talk about that instead (and yes, to rolefish, because all your comment does is beg the question to zabriel "are you the cop")

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Answer: A stint of a lack of explanation afterwards

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so a one hour and six minute period wherein i do not post is a "stint of a lack of explanation"?

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bloodcovenant never answered my question in post 26, he's strawmanning and rolefishing and chainsaw defending zabriel (hard) and he's a claimed miller

unvote, vote: bloodcovenant

this is the lynch today

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tazaro, kindly link me to your most recent completed town and scum games

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add cognitive dissonance to the list of bloodcovenant's sins in this game

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ok rob's not a lynch option any more, or ever again

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I was mostly commenting on how he was claiming miller in first post, and that's like one of two schools of thought on how to play Miller. But it was so to the letter it was just kind of funny. I also wasn't sure if it was a legit claim or not.

waffle waffle waffle

i wish we had two lynched a day so we could kill bloodcovenant and zabriel at the same time.

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unvote, vote: zabriel

don't want to split the vote between two people i think are scum. we will get bloodcovenant tomorrow.

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god i wish we had two lynches today

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no i assume you are scum and you made a gambit and he is scum and he reacted poorly and now you're both reacting just about as obviously as possible to that poor reaction, not that you made a gambit together

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so ckd, why aren't you voting?

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who are you going after when i flip town?

another appeal to fear

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fos: angrypidgeon

no there are not two millers in this game. and your entire "catchup" spiel reeks of bullshit. bc is not town. zab is not town. they are today and tomorrow's lynches, in either order.

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peregrine do you believe both miller claims?

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peregrine answer my question

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haven't read since my last post yet but the votecount is making me unhappy and more people should vote for zabriel

the only other lynch i will accept today is bloodcovenant

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tunnel vision is a good thing when its on scum

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y'all can stop spamming pages every day now please and thank you i'd like to be able to keep up with this game

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reading up

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you know what, i don't actually need to read what i missed to see whats happening here. zabriel wagon is stalled because scum don't want to bus yet. angrypidgeon should vote for him, that will bring us to critical mass and they'll have to start bussing. bloodcovenant is still the scum claiming miller. ckd needs to get his vote off of ap because you are both town and should also join the zabriel wagon.

and really, 17 pages in and there's five people not even voting? for shame.

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i'll go ahead and prove you wrong when zab and bc both flip scum

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also, really? what a lame procedural reason for an fos

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well you are just outright wrong.

first of all, "scumslips" are not the only way scum is found. in fact i would say its rare that an outright "scumslip" occurs.

second, i've already established two primary reads that i believe strongly in. one of them is still the leading wagon. so why exactly do i need to do anything except try to convince more people to vote for him?

third, even in your narrow interpretation of my actions as "cannot contribute", being unable to contribute is not alignment indicative in any way, so your fos is bunk

you are being silly and stubborn

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Tazaro's laconic replies are a bit abrasive, but I generally find that this is a town playstyle. Out of the whole Rob/Rofl thing, I do have bit of a stronger town read on Rob. I'm feeling kind of null-scum on Rofl.

^^^^^^scummmmmmmmmm

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post 275 by rob that ckd just quoted is in fact a good case. i would switch to demon at deadline. zabriel is still scum.

and this:

what in our exchange was clutter?

the fact that you are both town getting angry at each other and tunnel visioning each other is what is cluttering this thread up

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i certainly don't want to go read your whole exchange. scum are probably salivating about how hard you guys want to lynch each other.

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I have to wonder how many scum are in this game. I have scum reads on quite a few. There probably isn't much point in speculating because we don't know how the balance works out, but what is normal for this size of a game?

the usual number of scum is around 25%, so for this game i expect 4 mafia plus 0-1 sk (no use speculating about whether there is one yet, that will become clear after a night or two goes through)

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fuuuh all right fine but i want my zabriel lynch tomorrow, and i demand the millers be sorted out no later than day three

unvote, vote: demon core

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and then bc comes in and scums all over this wagon, making me not like it all over again

unvote

dc claim

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vote: demon core

hammer it

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i'd rather no one cc because that is the most obvious fakeclaim i've ever seen, and he hasn't in posted in how long but he's keenly aware that he's being wagoned enough to appear from thin air while we're all online doing it? do not buy it.

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all he's doing is trying to draw out the counterclaim because he is scum going down in flames on day one its exactly what i would do if i were in his position

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-If i saw the other miller claim first, i wouldn't have claimed. just my train of thought.

Just read this. WTF?

its because he's scum and has to make up totally incoherent things to not look like scum regarding the other miller claim. there were other examples in that scummy scum scum post that he voted dc in, i'll quote them tomorrow

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once again, cop (if you exist), do not counterclaim, demon core is reading page one of the mafia 101 syllabus, lesson one, if you're going to get lynched, at least draw out a counterclaim

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i'd rather no one cc because that is the most obvious fakeclaim i've ever seen, and he hasn't in posted in how long but he's keenly aware that he's being wagoned enough to appear from thin air while we're all online doing it? do not buy it.

You

asked me to claim in the latest post...

yes i did scum. thanks for making it so obvious it was a fakeclaim, this way we don't have to wait til like day 4 and wade through all your nonsense fake results and all ask ourselves "why is this guy still alive?"

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VOTE: zabriel

No reason to call his bluff Day 1. Back to the other scum.

no stop yes there is a reason don't make the real cop counterclaim just to get this scum lynched

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DC is not getting lynched unless a CC comes up.

According to Rofl, only scum want a CC to hunt out Power roles.

all he's doing is trying to draw out the counterclaim because he is scum going down in flames on day one its exactly what i would do if i were in his position

Drmy is enabling a CC right? scum motive?

i'd rather no one cc because that is the most obvious fakeclaim i've ever seen, and he hasn't in posted in how long but he's keenly aware that he's being wagoned enough to appear from thin air while we're all online doing it? do not buy it.

You

asked me to claim in the latest post...

Scum response. Happy with lynch.
Hammer away.

Bussing from scum drmy to scum demon core. amirite ROFL?

#appealToROFL.

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ahahaha no more like scum bloodcovenant bussing scum demon core until demon core claims then scum bc going 'welp claimed a power role no more lynch here right guys?'

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no seriously prohawk get your vote back on demoncore we'll get zabriel tomorrow

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demoncore is obviously stalling waiting for gullible town (prohawk) and his scumpartners (bloodcovenant) to get off his wagon and take the steam out of it. good thing we're not going to let that happen.

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demoncore is obviously stalling waiting for gullible town (prohawk) and his scumpartners (bloodcovenant) to get off his wagon and take the steam out of it. good thing we're not going to let that happen.

you're so fucking tunnel visioned on me that you didn't see where i pointed out scum drmy. christ.

drmyshotgun is so fucking obviously town that i want you dead just for trying to lynch him, and on top of that you have done a MOUNTAIN of scummy shit this game AND YOU'RE A CLAIMED AND THEN FUCKING COUNTERCLAIMED MILLER so yes i will tunnel vision your ass into a fine red mist

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you claimed miller. then someone else claimed miller too. thats a counterclaim. with almost any role except miller the counterclaimed player would be lynched immediately.

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you claimed miller. then someone else claimed miller too. thats a counterclaim. with almost any role except miller the counterclaimed player would be lynched immediately.

several other people have stated that Malp was likely to have not read the thread when claiming. have you yet to acknowledge that?

that literally does not matter. it does not matter that he didn't know he was counterclaiming. that doesn't make the counterclaimed player any less likely to be lying scum.

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you claimed miller. then someone else claimed miller too. thats a counterclaim. with almost any role except miller the counterclaimed player would be lynched immediately.

several other people have stated that Malp was likely to have not read the thread when claiming. have you yet to acknowledge that?

that literally does not matter. it does not matter that he didn't know he was counterclaiming. that doesn't make the counterclaimed player any less likely to be lying scum.

do you acknowledge that the two strategies for playing miller are:
1. don't claim at all
2. claim in your first post

yes. therefore the strategy for scum fakeclaiming miller are:
1. claim in your first post

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If we have a vig, vig Darthe.

vetoed

if there is a vig, vig one of the miller claims (preferably bc but really they've both got to go) or risk being consumed with a righteous fury

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really tazaro, demon core snarks at you so you take your vote off of him? for shame

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Damn straight I'm snarking at all of you. Rob is the only one on the wagon who's looked like he's even thought about this wagon. Everyone else is "lol, look at that guy's ISO" and then applying the "everything you say is scummy" filter.

So, I agree, for shame.

actually i was all like 'lol, rob's case actually is pretty good' and now that you claimed i'm all like 'lol your claim is so fake hammah hammah!' tyvm

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Taz you are jumpier than a frog in a fire. And your votes make no sense. Why the pressure to lynch an uncc'd cop? Why the pressure for me to insta-hammer with a week left? You, sir, deserve a big fat FoS

why are you still trying to draw out a counterclaim?

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god can we just fucking finish lynching dc already?

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say shotgun, this is not the place to dress the guy down for being dumb

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seconding the call for doc on rob

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i prefer a bc vig but will be happy if either "miller" bites it
i want to lynch zabriel tomorrow
let any investigators make their own decisions

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(but lets just say lurky backgrounders like josh lyman and peregrine would make might fine investigation choices)

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everyone stop and listen to me because i was right about everything. we are lynching bloodcovenant today.

vote: bloodcovenant

the only role that should hypothetically claim right now is a town roleblocker who blocked some scummy bastard last night. any other town role that could have had a hand in preventing the scum kill should just shh.

for everyone's reference, here are some important posts from the first few pages of this game:

Spoiler: caught scum

Claim. Town miller.

vote:Zabgriel

You rhyme with my real name.

Wow. Miller claim already. Seems legit. BC=Obvtown.

VOTE: Zabriel

vote: zabriel

you're funny

why are you sheeping the bird?

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found scum.

Not sure if serious. Since sarcasm transmits very poorly over the Internet, I'll be going under the assumption that you are.

That's quite a bold statement. I seriously doubt an experienced player would attempt to bandwagon a player in RVS as scum, especially when they're only the third player out of a necessary nine to lynch. There's nothing to gain from such an endeavor and quite a bit to lose. I would expect experienced scum to avoid being any more than a second vote on a person during RVS to avoid bringing any needless attention to themselves.

so you're saying we should be looking at all the players that either voted first, or did not put the third vote on someone?

i could go for zabriel, bloodcovenant or rob right now. zabriel best bet.

well, tell me then. Why zabriel?

i could go for zabriel, bloodcovenant or rob right now. zabriel best bet.

well, tell me then. Why zabriel?

very well, but you should know its your fault that people won't get a chance to form their own opinions about this and will instead adopt my awesome opinion

Wow. Miller claim already. Seems legit. BC=Obvtown.

if zab had simply said "miller claim. bc=obvtown" i would have thought nothing of this post. but no, its "wow," its "already," and it "seems legit," which makes zab "seem way too excited" to either already know who he doesn't have to nightkill, or be pushing his buddies millerclaim through to the town list (still too early to tell which, but we will kill you before too long too and find out, don't worry)

Wow. Miller claim already. Seems legit. BC=Obvtown.

if zab had simply said "miller claim. bc=obvtown" i would have thought nothing of this post. but no, its "wow," its "already," and it "seems legit," which makes zab "seem way too excited" to either already know who he doesn't have to nightkill, or be pushing his buddies millerclaim through to the town list (still too early to tell which, but we will kill you before too long too and find out, don't worry)

or you may have just outed the cop.

or you may be role fishing way too hard right now

ebwop: and you may be unnecessarily appealing to fear already

I'm not rolefishing. I'm clearly looking at your reasoning in a different perspective. You're single minded, you thought of only one possibility with his post, i looked at it a different way. suddenly that makes me role fishing. No, it doesn't.

ebwop2: and if that did actually "out the cop" its on you for saying that stupid shit out loud and not on me for saying something else entirely (the actual argument which you ignored to spout your bullshit, which in this business we call a strawman)

I'm clearly looking at your reasoning in a different perspective. You're single minded, you thought of only one possibility with his post, i looked at it a different way. suddenly that makes me role fishing. No, it doesn't.

if you actually cared about understanding whether or not i was scum you would look at my reasoning from my perspective and wonder if that reasoning makes sense from town, not make up some new perspective to talk about that instead (and yes, to rolefish, because all your comment does is beg the question to zabriel "are you the cop")

bloodcovenant never answered my question in post 26, he's strawmanning and rolefishing and chainsaw defending zabriel (hard) and he's a claimed miller

unvote, vote: bloodcovenant

this is the lynch today

ebwop2:

and if that did actually "out the cop" its on you for saying that stupid shit out loud and not on me for saying something else entirely

(the actual argument which you ignored to spout your bullshit, which in this business we call a strawman)

oh bullshit. Any player could look at Zabriels post, and your reasoning behind it and deduce the same logic that I did. I had no read at all on Zabriel, but you immediately have a scum read based off his reaction to my claim, which might i add your reasoning for a scum read is shaky as hell.

And the bold above is just complete bullshit.

As for your questions in Post #26 i was mostly being sarcastic and trying to start the game. Sure, you weren't really sheeping. Everything before my #29 (side from my claim) was nonsensical, and i was trying to start conversation.

add cognitive dissonance to the list of bloodcovenant's sins in this game

I like my vote exactly where it is. Let's take a look at BC's ISO.

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Vote: roflcopter

found scum.

As I've said before, he grasps at an extremely small piece of "evidence" in order to make the extremely bold assertion that he's found scum after only ten posts by players. If he considered it a minor scumslip, it makes so much more sense at this stage to keep it to himself and wait to see if he can identify a pattern in roflcopter's voting. If he can identify a pattern of bandwagoning after he receives more evidence, then he would have a good case for roflscum. Instead, he winds up with a case that is extremely weak to non-existent. At this point, I don't think BC is scum, just dumb town.

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found scum.

Not sure if serious. Since sarcasm transmits very poorly over the Internet, I'll be going under the assumption that you are.

That's quite a bold statement. I seriously doubt an experienced player would attempt to bandwagon a player in RVS as scum, especially when they're only the third player out of a necessary nine to lynch. There's nothing to gain from such an endeavor and quite a bit to lose. I would expect experienced scum to avoid being any more than a second vote on a person during RVS to avoid bringing any needless attention to themselves.

so you're saying we should be looking at all the players that either voted first, or did not put the third vote on someone?

When I point out what I had said above, he tries to put words in my mouth. He doesn't argue against me, attempt to prove me wrong, or offer an alternative position. He twists my words in an attempt to discredit me. This strikes me as scummy.

Wow. Miller claim already. Seems legit. BC=Obvtown.

if zab had simply said "miller claim. bc=obvtown" i would have thought nothing of this post. but no, its "wow," its "already," and it "seems legit," which makes zab "seem way too excited" to either already know who he doesn't have to nightkill, or be pushing his buddies millerclaim through to the town list (still too early to tell which, but we will kill you before too long too and find out, don't worry)

or you may have just outed the cop.

And he does it again. As rofl later posted, he never outed cop. If anything, BC did. He twists rofl's words. In addition to that, as town, there is no reason to make this post. If town-BC thinks that zab is cop, then you don't go out in the thread and say it. As scum-BC, he has two possible motivations to make this post. If zab is town, he makes this post to clue his partners into the fact that zab is a potential cop in order to ensure they make that kill if BC is lynched. If zab is scum, he makes this post to shift our read of zab towards town (or at least away from scum).

ebwop2:

and if that did actually "out the cop" its on you for saying that stupid shit out loud and not on me for saying something else entirely

(the actual argument which you ignored to spout your bullshit, which in this business we call a strawman)

oh bullshit. Any player could look at Zabriels post, and your reasoning behind it and deduce the same logic that I did. I had no read at all on Zabriel, but you immediately have a scum read based off his reaction to my claim, which might i add your reasoning for a scum read is shaky as hell.

And the bold above is just complete bullshit.

As for your questions in Post #26 i was mostly being sarcastic and trying to start the game. Sure, you weren't really sheeping. Everything before my #29 (side from my claim) was nonsensical, and i was trying to start conversation.

Seriously? Are you talking about the same scum-read that you previously defended against both rofl and me in ISO #2? If you were joking, then you could have said so far earlier, especially considering I pretty directly asked you if you were serious in your read or not. This seems like you're backing away from your "read" of rofl because you realize that no one is buying it.

Also, even if players could independently come up with a cop read from seeing rofl's post (I didn't, for the record), why make the leap for them? Other players aren't guaranteed to see everything you see or interpret it the same way. Town has no motivation to state suspicions that someone could be a cop in-thread. It can never benefit the town to reveal a cop.

I think that what's going on here is fairly obvious. BC makes a miller claim. Zab immediately backs up this claim to solidify BC as town. Two people move their votes to Zab, and BC immediately does a vote on the last person to vote for Zab. When rofl states that zab, BC, or me could all be lynch options for the day, BC leaps to zab's defense. BC claims that zab could be a cop in order to explain away a scumslip and try to push our perception of zab towards a town-read.

BC and Zab are scum-partners. They each have attempted to shift our perception of the other towards town and BC has defended Zab quite a bit. We lynch BC today, and if he's scum, we lynch Zab tomorrow.

I was mostly commenting on how he was claiming miller in first post, and that's like one of two schools of thought on how to play Miller. But it was so to the letter it was just kind of funny. I also wasn't sure if it was a legit claim or not.

I was mostly commenting on how he was claiming miller in first post, and that's like one of two schools of thought on how to play Miller. But it was so to the letter it was just kind of funny. I also wasn't sure if it was a legit claim or not.

waffle waffle waffle

i wish we had two lynched a day so we could kill bloodcovenant and zabriel at the same time.

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VOTE: BloodCovenant

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For those of you not sold, also look at post 24. BC jumps on Taz for something that kind of looks bad at first blush, but if you think about it for two seconds it's not scummy at all, it's a simple error. Reeks of scum trying to create smoke around something harmless.

In related news, post #49 makes absolutely no sense to me and makes me think zab is scum too. More at 11.

Rob, you have a few good points against BloodCovenant, except for one part. Wouldn't scum try to avoid each other more than make connections with each other? Do you really think that scum would make two connections back and forth to sacrifice the other scum-partner should one flip scum?

While this does not exonerate BC or Zabriel, I think it does make it not so fairly obvious as you say it is.

They weren't terribly obvious in their linking. Zab's support of BC's miller claim can easily be explained off by itself. He could say he simply believed no scum would draw attention to themselves so early, which is a valid conclusion (one that I initially reached before BC's other posts). BC can explain his action in voting for rofl as thinking he was bandwagoning if you look at it by itself. BC can also say he suggested zab may be the cop because of rofl's post, not because he was partnered with him.

When you examine each part of Zab and BC's actions by themselves, they don't lead to a conclusion of scum. You have to look at it as a pattern. The pattern is that they seem to be pointing to each other as town reads when there is no strong evidence of this.

Scum should try to avoid making connections to each other, but everyone makes mistakes. I would point to these as scumslips rather than town playing badly because each player started distancing themselves a bit from the other when they came under scrutiny. BC claimed that he had been joking when he accused rofl of sheeping Zab. Zab stated that he was actually very uncertain of BC's miller claim. Where'd their conviction go?

I think I can see it now.

VOTE: zabriel

Wow. Miller claim already.

Seems legit. BC=Obvtown

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I was mostly commenting on how he was claiming miller in first post, and that's like one of two schools of thought on how to play Miller. But it was so to the letter it was just kind of funny.

I also wasn't sure if it was a legit claim or not.

These two posts do not equate.

I think I can see it now.

VOTE: zabriel

Wow. Miller claim already.

Seems legit. BC=Obvtown

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I was mostly commenting on how he was claiming miller in first post, and that's like one of two schools of thought on how to play Miller. But it was so to the letter it was just kind of funny.

I also wasn't sure if it was a legit claim or not.

These two posts do not equate.

Yeah, sure it looks like he's backing off since i took heat. He's attempting to distance himself from me.

Yeah, sure it looks like he's backing off since i took heat. He's attempting to distance himself from me.

If he's town and is getting a different read on you than us, he should contribute and argue against us. If he can lay down a clear case for you being town, then that's not scummy at all. That's good play. It's only scummy when he's claiming you're ObvTown when there's nothing to substantiate that. The only reason to distance is if he's scum. And there you go defending him again.

unvote, vote: zabriel

don't want to split the vote between two people i think are scum. we will get bloodcovenant tomorrow.

The order doesn't truthfully matter, as long as we get BC tomorrow. BC's actions implicated Zab as much as himself.

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Vote: Zabriel

unvote, vote: zabriel

don't want to split the vote between two people i think are scum. we will get bloodcovenant tomorrow.

The order doesn't truthfully matter, as long as we get BC tomorrow. BC's actions implicated Zab as much as himself.

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Vote: Zabriel

Actually.... only Zabriel's actions implicate me. Nothing that i did implicates Zab.

uhhhh?

I claim miller.
Zab says "yeah, BC is legit town"
Then when Zab gets confronted about his statement, he backs off because he knows he could be lynched because of my poor play.

It's not the same kind of distancing between scum partners in my opinion. It's more of me being a leper and no one wants to be connected to me, town or scum.

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

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The only thing that i have done that would make people believe that Zab and I are on a scum team together is if we had pre-game talk and came up with this huge ass gambit about me claiming miller. On page 1, Zab's post was sketchy enough for Roflcopter to deduce that Zab's is scum. He believes that Zab's flip flop implies that I am scum as well, as scum wouldn't want another player of theirs in the hotseat.

Zab is distancing himself from me because i'm basically poison.... if that makes any sense.

unvote, vote: zabriel

don't want to split the vote between two people i think are scum. we will get bloodcovenant tomorrow.

The order doesn't truthfully matter, as long as we get BC tomorrow.

BC's actions implicated Zab as much as himself.

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Vote: Zabriel

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

By implicate, I meant that they're giving away each other by the way they're playing. They both heavily suggested the other was a strong town read without giving any solid or logically sound reasoning. This is odd in itself. Zab's flip-flop is also suspect - I don't buy the distancing argument by BC. BC also did some other scummy stuff that I detailed earlier in my look through his ISO.

It may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but I'm basically saying that if one is scum, there is strong reason to believe the other is also scum.

to me it is sounding like slips. but I just cant imagine "slips" being this obvious.

I agree that if one flips scum, the other is probably scum...

okay, scratch that last post..

vote BC

the trying to start conversation bullshit is super scummy.

when he flips scum, Zab your next.

who are you going after when i flip town?

another appeal to fear

No, i'm not appealing to anything. You guys think we're both scum. So if you lynch Zab first, and he by some chance flips scum, i'm the next lynch. But, if you guys decide to lynch me, where will you be as far as information? Will you immediately lynch Zab then? That type of rush play is not helpful for the town, it only benefits scum. Because at best we'll have 1 scum lynch and 1 townie lynch, at worst 2 townies lynched.

It's actually impossible to scum hunt when under fire. People just say you're trying to shake off suspicion and they won't take you seriously. I'm complacent with dying at the moment.

Fine, then.

Let's say the mod gave you a day vig shot that you had to use right now. Who would you use it on and why?

(Fun fact: BC's vote is still on Tazaro)

It's actually impossible to scum hunt when under fire. People just say you're trying to shake off suspicion and they won't take you seriously. I'm complacent with dying at the moment.

Fine, then.

Let's say the mod gave you a day vig shot that you had to use right now. Who would you use it on and why?

(Fun fact: BC's vote is still on Tazaro)

Honestly, i'd probably shoot ROFL, as i feel his case on me is very aggressive and poor.

As for voting, who am i going to pressure? Zab? that's going to make me look awful. Vote some other random that isn't a lynch candidate. naw. If it comes down to it, sure i'll vote zab.

why would Zabtown "distance" himself from someone he doesnt know is scum?

why would anything BC(you)town do "implicate" Zab?

these two terms are not sitting right with me.

waiting on an answer from Zab

also

unvote

This post struck me as odd. Consistent defense of Zab and prohawk pings for that as well. Seems like mafia attempting to psuedo-bus, I bet two of the three shift opinions quickly close to lynch.

Vote Zab

. We will see.

welcome to the game, who else besides Zab is scum?

Drop one meme reference and the board explodes.

those posts all happened before the second miller claim, which is in itself a great reason to be lynching bc
tl;dr we are killing bc today

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i wish that rob had not just claimed but feh too late now

if another 1-shot vig exists and they shot zab they should claim asap, otherwise we assume there's an sk who was planning a vig claim (until it just got asploded)

angrypidgeon needs to stop drawing out claims bc you do this shit all the time and its antitown

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YOU are going to be SO interested in my claim.

FTF...myself

you're now conftown, so claim if you have info you could potentially die without telling us tonight but don't claim (even in eventual massclaim) if you are any other role.

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Eh, I could live with a BC lynch too. He's scummy enough. His mid-end of day was null-town, but his start was scummy as all get out. I need to look more at zab/DC's posting about him. Give me a day or so and I'll eventually get around to it.

included in the spoilered block of quotes i just posted are all zab/dc posts that pertain to each other or bc. its a trip.

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The actual fuck are you smoking this afternoon rofl?

weed

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The actual fuck are you smoking this afternoon rofl?

weed

and i disagree with your call for a jk to claim, and i feel you directly caused rob to claim, and that came up in my preview edit window so i was reactionary and harsher than necessary, sorry.

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For now, I'll say this.

I watched zabriel.

YOU'RE MY FAVORITE

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awkward..

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not that we necessarily have a full cop in this setup with rob already a 1-shot cop, but still we should figure out a way to not be outing a town power role

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Also, doc, if we lynch town today based on Tazaro's time, for the love of all that is holy you need to PROTECT TAZARO. Otherwise, we lose our SK. Again, PROTECT TAZARO if we don't get the SK today.

there's no guarantee a doc exists (or a full doc. you're already a 1-shot cop, 1-shot vig, its possible whatever doc ability exists is also 1 shot)

if we go with tazaro naming the scummier (in his opinion) of the two, that person should claim, and if the claim actually makes sense then taz should name the other person.

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jesus christ

if mal gets lynched and flips miller please rob tell me you will shoot bc

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shotgun please switch to the bloodcovenant wagon

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ap, please see my point yesterday about you and ckd both being town and the scum salivating about how much you have a boner for lynching each other

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ckd, did the person you tracked target someone who is widely regarded as obvtown, someone who is largely being ignored (lurking), or someone who is widely seen as scummy?

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actually, i have a strange idea.

raise your hand if you used a 1-shot ability last night

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ckd needs to give his info first. taz is cop-cleared, he gets to go last.

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i don't like the darthe wagon and will be really disappointed if we haven't solved the miller problem by the end of today

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i don't like the darthe wagon and will be really disappointed if we haven't solved the miller problem by the end of today

There is no miller problem. Darthe is scum. The 4th scum is either CKD or malp probably.

ckd is not scum. i promise.

there is a miller problem. the problem is that both claimed millers are still alive. i want to live in a world where there are no claimed millers alive by day three.

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demon core was bussing/distancing from two of his partners simultaneously (and making it less likely either would be lynched by driving both wagons against each other) in zabriel and bloodcovenant.

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very well

unvote, vote: darthe[/b[

please, rob, please kill a miller. i don't care which we can lynch the other one tomorrow.

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unvote, vote: bloodcovenant

then

taz, i have already made the case for blood being zabriel's partner. it was made in the first four pages of the game. re-read them. or just read the quotes i spoilered in an earlier post today.

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because rob keeps implying he'd shoot malp first and if we lynch darthe and he does that then blood will still be alive tomorrow and i will have a sad

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right so can we lynch bloodcovenant now?

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ckd remember that time on day one when you thought that if one of zabriel and bc was scum the other was too? i have some good news, zabriel flipped scum. i will also tell you the same thing i told ap - you're both town. stop trying to kill each other.

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ckd is angry all the time. this is typical of his play no matter what alignment. see his custom title.

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i've had prohawk down as town for a while but yeah your wall about him was all valid and true

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and that vt claim pretty much clears him

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i suspect the remaining scum are in these two groups, one each - {blood, malp} and {josh, peregrine, pyro}

at this point i have a town read on everyone that is not those players

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Any thoughts on Taz as investigation-immune SK? Thought I'd throw it out there. He admittedly killed Zab.

this is such an insignificant possibility we should not worry ourselves with it unless an unexplained kill appears after you have used your one shot and taz has used his remaining one shot

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pere are you kidding? thats so conclusive it should be the final nail in blood's coffin

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What are the chances scum-Malp went of the reservation after scum-Blood's miller claim and did the same?

not totally outside the realm of possibility. if thats the case i imagine there's a post very early in the scum qt pregame that says "someone should claim miller in their first post." bc did it, and we know malp didn't read the thread before his claim. even if the first "miller" we kill flips scum i still want the second "miller" in this game dead long before lylo. i just think there is a much stronger case for blood-scum than malp-scum right now. blood-zabriel interactions around his miller claim and my questioning of it. blood-dc interactions around the dc wagon and his vote for, then jump off after the claim. it all points to blood-scum.

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no need to wait for a claim this time

someone hammer, i've seen all i need to

the "in case i'm dead tomorrow" list
definitely town / should never be lynched (no particular order) - rob, shotgun, tazaro, reverend, darthe
almost definitely town / only lynch if people further down this list are all dead (no particular order) - prohawk, cheery dog, ckd
special case / could be scum with blood - angrypidgeon
questionable content / lynch from this group next (in order from most to least likely scum imo) - josh, pyro, peregrine
the amazing "miller" duo / dead by sunrise - blood, malp

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i forgot that ckd had a no target track result on prohawk so move him up to the definitely town category

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and triple postin' to say the the joat claim also basically confirms ckd so he should be in the definitely town category too, leaving only cheery as almost definitely town (but don't worry, 99.9% chance all the scum are found on lower tiers of my list)

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if rob and taz want to organize their vigging, one should take out the other miller, the other should kill josh or pyro

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i'm good with that

hammer away

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DC lynch BC lynch, whatever. I'm stoned.

me too!

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well angrypidgeon do you agree to die when i flip town?

ps i know why there was no successful scum kill night one

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honestly i'm surprised you felt threatened enough by me to fake a guilty on me today

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vote: angrypidgeon

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why did you feel the need to say "mod-confirmed"?

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sure

can anyone else explain the lack of a scum kill on night one?

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don't be a retard rob

i "tunneled" on bc but was trying to lynch zabriel all of day one, and then pushed through the dc lynch after the claim?

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and i'm going to wait for someone who isn't going to ignore the obvious to come online and get involved in this conversation

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And If Im lying, you are being awfully defensive about your game play as opposed to, IDK, calling me a liar.

will you walk yourself to the gallows tomorrow when i flip town? i already asked this and you went with the 'lol not talking to confirmed scum' route

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@Rofl- why was there no scumkill night 1?

because i am a jack of all trades and one of my abilities is

1-shot bulletproof

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And If Im lying, you are being awfully defensive about your game play as opposed to, IDK, calling me a liar.

will you walk yourself to the gallows tomorrow when i flip town? i already asked this and you went with the 'lol not talking to confirmed scum' route

Why are you asking me and not asserting that I must die Tomorrow?

because i'm trying to give you a chance to act like town and not an idiot but you keep refusing to do so

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@Rofl- why was there no scumkill night 1?

because i am a jack of all trades and one of my abilities is

1-shot bulletproof

As in, you give that ability to someone else? Who did you give it to?

what? no. how do you get that from that? i just don't even.

i was bulletproof. it was a one shot ability. i did not get any confirmation on whether or not a shot was taken at me, but in light of the fact that i pushed through the lynch on the mafia goon and was still gunning for the mafia doctor going into night one it makes perfect fucking sense that they shot at me. and then there was no kill but the vig kill that night.

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Well rofl, I'm amused because I know you know that my play does not make sense as scum right now, yet you are voting me and saying I must die Tomorrow.

you're faking a guilty on me so yes i am voting you and saying you must die tomorrow (if not today)

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good work pal, your scum team will still lose

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so you say but its gonna look awesome when i flip jack of all trades

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ap what do you think of post 1010? what exactly about post 920 made you choose to investigate me?

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ignoring everything i say is a pretty effective strategy, i've got to admit

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i'll have to remember it if i ever fake a guilty on someone

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Vote: ROfl

Makes more sense to understand your pushes in this light Angry.

how does this make angry's pushes more sensical in your understanding?

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you say words but give no reasons

why did you think me suggesting you could be scum if someone who ended up flipping town was scum meant i was scum? it doesn't accomplish much, from a scum perspective, to list your scum potential as based solely on the flip of someone that i, as scum, would know is going to flip town.

you obviously just fucking panicked when you suddenly showed up anywhere in my scumlist other than definitely town, but i still honestly don't get what the upside is for you to fake a guilty on me here, with two partners already dead, as what must be the most town-esteemed member of the scumteam. i'm flabbergasted.

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@Rofl- why was there no scumkill night 1?

because i am a jack of all trades and one of my abilities is

1-shot bulletproof

As in, you give that ability to someone else? Who did you give it to?

what? no. how do you get that from that? i just don't even.

i was bulletproof. it was a one shot ability. i did not get any confirmation on whether or not a shot was taken at me, but in light of the fact that i pushed through the lynch on the mafia goon and was still gunning for the mafia doctor going into night one it makes perfect fucking sense that they shot at me. and then there was no kill but the vig kill that night.

Just so we're clear, you are claiming to be 1-shot Bulletproof Town JOAT?

that is correct. i am a town joat. i have at least two 1-shot abilities. one of them was/is 1-shot bulletproof. i may or may not have used any other ability(ies) i have. since my lynch is going to get pushed through based on ap's "guilty" i will not claim these other abilities no matter what. i will say that none of my other abilities have thus far amounted to anything useful (but i thought that drawing a nightkill to my bp was pretty damn useful)

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why did you think me suggesting you could be scum if someone who ended up flipping town was scum meant i was scum? it doesn't accomplish much, from a scum perspective, to list your scum potential as based solely on the flip of someone that i, as scum, would know is going to flip town.

It wasn't that it had scum motivation. It was that it made no sense from a town perspective. (I like to think of as proof by contradiction. I mean if it does have scum motivation behind it then you could still be scum or town). If it doesn't make sense as town, then it comes from scum.

why doesn't it make sense as town, exactly?

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It could be the amount of coffee Im chugging, but my heart is racing over here.

There was so much pressure to kill all the millers either via lynch or vig-shot, that he was going to flip by end of N2 at the latest. Why on earth would I defend a scum buddy when its painfully obvious he is dying no later than N2?

why on earth would i try to tie you to someone who is going to die no later than n2 and flip

town

????

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Can you tell me your town motivation behind withholding info to your death?

i'm doing my very best to NOT die today and i still don't want the scum to know what else i can do

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@ROFL- Aren't you like the third or forth JOAT claim?

third i think but why do you think i immediately believed ckd's joat claim? that seems like the theme of the whole setup

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It could be the amount of coffee Im chugging, but my heart is racing over here.

There was so much pressure to kill all the millers either via lynch or vig-shot, that he was going to flip by end of N2 at the latest. Why on earth would I defend a scum buddy when its painfully obvious he is dying no later than N2?

why on earth would i try to tie you to someone who is going to die no later than n2 and flip

town

????

Its not exactly a super rare scum tactic.
1. You are no longer accountable for that read after the flip
2. It looks like scum hunting
3. It makes you look less all-knowing

now you're making up reasons and retroactively applying them to your previous read. you already said it was an "epiphany." this is confirmation bias slash you are scum making this all up.

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@Rob why are you not pushing for a malp lynch since you know more than anything else right now that he is guilty?

Waiting for his response at the moment. Unless it's satisfactory, which there is only one claim that I can think of that would make it so, I'll be voting for him very, very soon.

Frankly, I like the results from pressuring rofl at the moment, though. His responses are very interesting.

P-edit: Yeah, but you said you were pretty certain you were going to by lynched and therefore wouldn't give info. If you were L-1 and someone stated intent to hammer, would you give up the info on your role before death so we knew your abilities?

i've already told you i have no useful information other than my bulletproofness to give right now so no. the useful info you will get from my lynch is that angrypidgeon faked a guilty.

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Haha, hiraki did it in space mafia and it was one of the reasons I JK'd her.

the difference is that you roleblocked a scum kill not came up with an investigation result. and the second difference is that hiraki was widely suspected at that point in space mafia while in this game i have been appearing at or near the top of most relevant town lists.

did you breadcrumb your role?

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Why does scum have motivation to fake a guilty in a normal game where there is no bussing?

i have no fucking idea i'm probably more confused than anyone else here

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inb4 "must be a framer"

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i'm just telling you the line ap is going to have to argue tomorrow if i get lynched today. remember what you just said tomorrow.

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can any of you people so happy to congratulate pidgeon on his guilty explain what happened to the scum kill night one if it wasn't shot at my bulletproof vest?

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so this seems like the right time for massclaim

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btw if we lynch malp-scum i do have a way to prevent angry's nightkill

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i don't fucking know man. just lynch me i guess and lynch angrypidgeon tomorrow. we're so far ahead i don't understand why he did it, but he did it, so lets get it over with.

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posts 1070 and 1071 seem to indicate ap is worried by my comment on being able to prevent his kill if malp-scum gets lynched

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I'd consider this two scums caught.
Pidgeon, do you bet your game-life (of this game) to assure Rofl is scum? As in, you go autolynch when Rofl flips Town?
Rofl, do you agree to get lynched today if Pidgeon gets autolynched tomorrow?

If that's the case, rather than spending two days, I suggest the Miller-with-a-gun goes first.

yes

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angry still has not agreed to be the lynch tomorrow if i flip town which is hilarious

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unvote, vote: malp

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i'm glad rob still has his vig shot left, i trust he will at least be reasonable enough to shoot angrypidgeon with it if i flip town

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3. Be way more adamant about me being the lynch. You are lightly prodding me as if to see whether or not I'm all in instead of forcing the issue. Like its pretty obvious you don't think Im scum.

because it is so god damn outlandish for you to be gambiting as scum here, but the only other explanation is that scum got retardedly lucky and framed me.

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I never claimed cop. I guess my wording was poor. I'm just saying I have very good role related info that indicates you are scum.

and now you're providing yourself an open back door exit for when i flip town. you need to come clean on this or not pretend its a guilty.

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(probably) half the scum team dead i'd be good with a massclaim

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shotgun i want to hug you right now

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and actually if the game is, as i suspect, largely 1-shot roles spread across single 1-shot people and joats then we should massclaim to try and coordinate our limited use powers as best as possible

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vote: angrypidgeon

btw if we lynch malp-scum i do have a way to prevent angry's nightkill

what do you want from me. angrypidgeon has his mysterious role based info that says i'm scum. rob has a gun result on a miller. from my pov they're both equally scum. i'm saying if we lynch one scum today (leaving likely only one left) i will be able to prevent the kill tonight.

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peregrine you need to learn a grammar

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1-shot roleblock is one of my abilities

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massclaim would also have the added benefit of revealing any other possible abilities which could have prevented a nightkill on night one, or the lack thereof

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passive, 1-shot, not told if it is used up

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Rofl, what specifically does your role title say?

Jack-Of-All-Trades

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say ap it looks an awful lot like its time for you to fullclaim

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unvote, vote: ap

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vig malp tonight, lynch ap today, gg

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and if you are town your gambit was the mafia equivalent of going full retard

never go full retard

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AP ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING NO ONE ELSE CAN EXPLAIN WHERE THE SCUM KILL WENT NIGHT ONE AND YOU STILL THINK I'M SCUM? I PUSHED ZABRIEL ALL DAY ONE, SWITCHED TO DC AND PUSHED HIM THROUGH AFTER HIS COP CLAIM, AND WAS PROMISING TO GO BACK TO ZAB DAY TWO RIGHT UP UNTIL HE GOT VIGGED HOLY FUCK YOU ARE BEING SO STUPID

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At least one of rofl/CKD is scum.

says the guy claiming he was a gambitting vanilla townie who just drew out my whole claim and the other half of ckd's role through sheer idiocy

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in what world does ckd scum come in here and blow up your investigation claim with his jailkeep claim if he is scum?

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Lol. What happened to you suggesting mass claim today, Rofl? Now that you know my role you know I can die w/o incriminating you.

i would still like a massclaim today. i am explaining how utterly nonsensical it is for you to be saying one of me and ckd is scum when our real claims are what had to come out to blow up your fake claim.

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you are being willfully stupid and i'm done talking to you

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yeah we're lynching angrypidgeon today, one does not simply fakeclaim a guilty on me

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rob, here's the hole in your gambit

if malp is scum, he knows you were roleblocked, therefore he knows you don't have a real gunsmith result on him and can play the part

for fuck's sake, why do people feel this compulsion to lie as town

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Even though he reached that conclusion way too fast. Meh.

what can i say i'm fucking brilliant

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Seriously?

JOATs need to full claim exact abilities and results of said abilities in their next post. Otherwise, we lynch them all, either alphabetically or chronologically.

what the hell is wrong with you?

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rob, here's the hole in your gambit

Lol. So you are ok with Rob gambiting. Fucking cognitive dissonance EVERYWHERE.

strawman. your "gambit" is, with no prior indication of any suspicion of me whatsoever, claiming a guilty.

rob's is claiming a specific inconsistency with malp's claimed role and giving him the opportunity to change his claim. his is an exploratory effort (albeit one that i think was also fucking stupid to do), yours was a flat guilty claim.

for fuck's sake, why do people feel this compulsion to lie as town

Soooooooo, care to explain why you said this?

because rob just admitted he lied as town, and because in an ongoing game that i'm dead in (i think you know the one) someone claimed watcher as a vt and i'm just fucking tired of the stupidity. don't try to act like its even reasonable to assume i was talking about you.

If you were fucking brilliant, I wouldn't think you are scum. But I do.

you're wrong, or you're scum, either way i can't really help you at this point. you still think i'm scum despite the fact that i would have to have bussed two out of probably four total scum on day one and after that the scum team would have had to no killed just so i could later claim bulletproof. occam's razor is squarely against you.

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rob's is claiming a specific inconsistency with malp's claimed role and giving him the opportunity to change his claim. his is an exploratory effort (albeit one that i think was also fucking stupid to do), yours was a flat guilty claim.

What, and Rob wasn't? He flat out said that Malp hasa gun and is therefore not a miller and is therefore scum. What are you even talking about?

malp is a claimed miller, rob fakeclaims something that says otherwise and vocally asks at least twice for malp to change his claim to vig if he wants to, but he doesn't

you just say "i got a guilty not giving more role info" and start a wagon on me, while i was still unclaimed

world
of
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you know that i lynch lying townies on principle! fuck we just did it together in another game! you're being ridiculous!

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OK, this argument is stupid town v town. Let's stop it.

Now, AP, ISO rofl and tell me why you decided to gambit on him (in the ISO) and construct I case for him being scum. Until you do, I'm ignoring this spam.

do you still think ap is town?

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ap, sorry, appealing to my ego is not going to help you here. i see absolutely no reason why any sane person would look at my play in this game and think i was scummy enough to fakeclaim a guilty on as town. none whatsoever. i don't like to toot my own horn but i have been the most obvtown person in this game, i directly and heavily contributed to the deaths of both zabriel and dc, and the scum tried to kill me on night one because of it.

you provided one post (really, one line from one post) as your reason for finding me scummy. one line from one post is not enough to make someone decide to fakeclaim a guilty. do what rob just said and pull more evidence from my iso or shut up and go to the gallows with your head held high.

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somebody give me a short version of the case on ckd because i still don't think he's scum

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rob, why is it weird for me, as an unclaimed joat, to look at your claim, and then ckd's claim, and assume there's a joat theme and it makes ckd more likely town (for being the second claimed joat)? why is it weird for ckd to see your joat claim and his own joat role and come to a similar conclusion (and then claim because he has useful and relevant information)?

peregrine, your case sucks and i won't be looking at it again. you're much too excited that i'm suddenly vulnerable after being locked in on everyone's town lists days one and two. angrypidgeon had a brain hemorrhage and thought it would be a good idea to fakeclaim a guilty as a vt. my confused response was because it made no sense from either town or scum at this stage in the game. you're selectively interpreting everything i say because you're already assuming i'm scum.

angrypidgeon, if town loses this game, it will be your fault

still don't buy ckd as scum. claiming joat when he did, clearing prohawk, these are not things scum would be doing.

unvote, vote: peregrine

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angrypidgeon, if town loses this game, it will be your fault

Why? Nothing I've done had a lasting impact.

i know you think i'm scum but at this point its pretty clear that i will eventually be a mislynch and that will be directly your fault

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fuck it

unvote, vote: ckd

wah wah wah lynch roflcopter tomorrow etc etc there now you guys don't need to say any of it

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I think rofl hammered.

damn skippy

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used my block on peregrine last night

angrypidgeon is on /ignore mode for the rest of this game

i'll lynch darthe, josh lyman, or pyro in something like that order, and despite rob thinking his gambit "clears" malp he still needs to die

vote: darthe

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/ignore

i want to get lynched today so everyone can see how full retard it is to claim a guilty on someone as a vanilla townie. i will do nothing to stop my lynch. you can all thank angrypidgeon tomorrow when rob dies tonight and he's left to clean up the mess.

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100% policy and BULLSHIT the BC lynch was then.

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read the thread. there were 1000 reasons to lynch bc that were not policy.

/ignore

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tell you what rob i'll say i told you so in the dead thread

unvote, vote: roflcopter

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i became a distraction to the town when ap did the gambit. since then i have been lynch bait waiting to be mislynched (see: peregrine's ensuing case on me, ap's continued insistence that he's such a baws he can cold read me when everyone else thought i was town). it is better to do it now when we're wildly ahead than in another day or two when the numbers in our favor will have fallen off.

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unvote

my reads were already given today: darthe, josh lyman, pyro in that order (primarily on gut i haven't gone back to read anything since day three started), and malp, unranked because i'm still confused about him, but i don't think your gambit clears him because all it proves is if he's scum he had the stones to stick with his fakeclaim since the alternative was certain death

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Why Darthe?

had to basically be forced to hammer on day one, "this can be an info lynch" as his qualifier to hammer dc, constant attempts to link prohawk and zab, moaning about how terrible the discussions of the miller even were on day one then joining straight in on the bc wagon day two, needlessly needling drmyshotgun, attempts to create serialkiller paranoia at the start of day two, claims pidgeon's pushes "makes more sense" in light of his guilty claim on me (how so?), claims "ckd lynch isn't bad" in post 1219 but simultaneously pushes alternatives (peregrine, infolynching someone {me? ap?} based on the fakeclaim and offers the qualifier of 'at the moment' for even his tepid support of lynching ckd, and he never actually voted for ckd

that about sums it up

vote: darthe

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I think we have already discussed my thoughts on CKD. Why did you choose to wait to vote me until after you were asked that? You have brought up points before and even mentioned me in this phase already as your most likely. Seems like you could have voted then.

i vote you. then i voted myself. now i'm voting you again.

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I think we have already discussed my thoughts on CKD. Why did you choose to wait to vote me until after you were asked that? You have brought up points before and even mentioned me in this phase already as your most likely. Seems like you could have voted then.

i vote you. then i voted myself. now i'm voting you again.

but gj with the strawman

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Rofl, why was Darthe a townread on D2?

taz' gambit. but i realized that similar to the way rob's gambit doesn't truly clear malp neither does taz's clear darthe. he would know he didn't do anything (if he didn't submit the kill) and therefore could safely claim vt.

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dude i gave ph a pass because i already thought he was town and then on top of that ckd was claiming a no-track result. i gave darthe an early pass after taz faked his shit because i didn't fully consider the scenario. and this:

You can't clear someone because they "must have bussed too hard"

Gah, I remember seeing some quote from rofl in another game about how he dislikes playing scum and typically busses hard anyways. Can't find it, but w/e.

well, good luck finding that, because i really doubt i ever said it, and if thats what you think you have a totally warped understanding of my meta. yes i hate playing scum. no i don't typically bus hard. i don't typically bus at all and i typically get lynched around day two for being obvscum to everyone in the game. here's a good meta of me - if no one thinks i'm scum

its because i'm not

, not because you're the only mad genius who can read me

i'm sorry you got butthurt because i thought you were bc's last remaining partner. get over it.

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like honestly what does scum stand to gain from saying, right before an impending lynch on the town miller, that you could be scum with him? you still haven't explained that.

i'll tell you my town motivation. i thought i had absorbed the nk night one. i thought i was leading the lynch of a 3rd out of 4 scum members. i thought it very likely that once bc flipped scum i would be nked. i was leaving one last breadcrumb so the town could lynch you after i died.

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you obviously have a much narrower view of how people play this game than i thought

you keep insisting bc was obvtown. if bc was obvtown, how did a majority of people decide to fucking lynch him? don't say "policy" again because that is complete bullshit. show me the votes on that wagon that were just policy votes.

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an absolutely absurd statement for town to make

you're ignoring where i just told you why i, as town, made that decision, in perfectly clear english

your theory that you can find scum through lack of town motivation instead of presence of scum motivation is wrong. just, 100%, completely wrong. town do stupid, inane shit all the god damn time. stupid inane shit like fakeclaiming night results and stupid inane shit like saying you could be scum with bc and every other stupid nonsensical thing any other town player in any game has ever fucking done to get lynched. if you look for "town motivation" then you're assuming that everyone is playing a 100% perfect town game all the time and thats just not fucking true. its a bad framework to scum hunt through.

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congratulations, you've established that drymyshotgun and myself are both pro-policy lynching millers. you have not established that bc was obtown or that he was lynched solely for being a miller. if you haven't noticed, it took more than our two votes to lynch him.

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Yes, but you cannot deny that you were the primary one responsible for the wagon. Sheep be sheeping after all.

But seriously, I don't care. He was obvtown for not caring what other people thought about him. His posts were transparent and not forced. Moot point because hes dead.

rob is now calling me town for the same reason. cognitive dissonance, man.

yes people were sheeping me. no policy lynching was not the only reason i lynched bc. jesus christ. the fact that he was a claimed miller was just a fucking bonus he looked so much like zabriel's partner.

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unvote, vote: mal

choo choo

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my opinions haven't changed in the slightest

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ap - yes i targeted pere

unvote, vote: cheery dog

all hail dgb

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MY role pm definitely states I'm a town 1-shot gunsmith.
I didn't choose what my role was.

lol scum answer

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there's too many unknown factors to try to clear people solely based on speculating about game balance. 3/7 dead players are scum. from that alone the game looks almost town sided. all these one shot abilities made the first 2-3 nights in this game very town sided. thats got something to do with why this game has seen scum lynches two out of the first three days (and the other a miller lynch, which players like drmyshotgun would argue are as good as a scum lynch) but now that they're most/all used and the two full use roles are dead (both faction's doctors) its become basically mountainous.

although looking at the symmetry of the setup if cheery is telling the truth is pushing me off of him.
town:
doctor
2 x 1-shot roles (vig*, gunsmith*)
2 x 2-shot joats (vig/cop*, bp/rb)
2 x millers?**
nilla wafers

scum:
doctor**
2-shot joat (claimed track/jk)(*,**) - see note
1-shot something? goon?(*,**)
goon(*.**)

* - this role has a gun AKA gunsmith guilty
** - cop guilty

note: we can't necessarily believe ckd's claim since he's scum and it doesn't flip what a joat is made of, but track approximates rolecop and jailkeep certainly approximates roleblock, two abilities i expect to see at least one of on a four man scumteam in a game this size

so that was basically stream of consciousness but yeah i think i've convinced myself cheery has to be town
ap is confirmed town by virtue of having a claimed inno on him at this point (realistically there's no way he's a mafia doctor), either cd is town in which case ap is inno or cd is scum in which case all other players (including ap) are innocent

unvote, vote: darthe

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@AP:

Flip me and BC and add Darthe to the town side and

then

it would be a good list.

Does DC really drop the name of his 4th scum team member here after I said it was CKD/Him/Zabriel?

its ballsy, but dc is ballsy and wasn't "caught" yet (zab was still the leading wagon), so the fact that he did that is nowhere near enough to outweigh all the evidence i see in favor of lynching darthe

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Inb4 Josh Lyman couldn't have made an NK.

ftr i don't think this is a real argument he could have easily made the kill

he's also plenty late on the dc wagon day one, a good place to be bussing

and dgb isn't immediately obvtown, which she usually (but not always) is as town

i just think its more likely to be darthe

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assuming there's only one kill per night from now on how many lynches do we have before lylo?

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no don't prod meeee i was a about to poooost

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unvote, vote: cheery

sheeping the great and powerful dgb

if this doesn't end the game we have enough lynches left to get darthe and malp before lylo

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if this doesn't end the game we have enough lynches left to get darthe and malp before lylo

My god, no. This post is bad. You don't think like this as town.

oh stop it. maybe you don't, but i do. 99.9% chance scum is one of those three people.