Mafia 49: SpeedyKQ's Big New York Game - Game over!

[BabyJesus]

vote PookyTheMagicalBear

[BabyJesus]

Fritz can't vote Pooky because they are partners in CA's Pick someone else's role mafia. Fritz and Pooky set each other up for their "A" game with Fritz being a vigilante and Pooky being a doppelganger taking Fritz's ability giving the scumgroup that involves Pooky & Fritz 3 kills a night.
So Fritz can't vote pooky for a game as part of their A Game Agreement.

This metagaming brought to you by Iammars Brand Dog food and has nothing to do with their roles this game.

vote: Coron

For being green on not St. Patricks day.

pretty sure you have no idea what the hell you're talking about

unvote, Vote: Tamuz

pretty sure I'm still pissed at you two.

[BabyJesus]

What exactly is a "A" game?

An idea they stole from someone on another site.

Vote Pooky.

yep. ANd it's not "A Game".

It's "A Game, BITCHES"

gotta get it right if you're gonna plagarize.

[BabyJesus]

I'm sticking with my Pooky vote. pretty sure he's scum.

[BabyJesus]

EVERYONE VOTE FOR ME IF YOU THINK I'M MAFIA

good schtick here.

[BabyJesus]

Max wagon looks interesting, but I'm sticking to Tamuz for now.

good luck with that

[BabyJesus]

fos everyone not voting pooky

[BabyJesus]

I find it truly amusing that in two separate games in the New York forum, Pooky is being bandwagoned for the same basic reasons, both of which are caused by inattentiveness to Pooky and how he operates.

really? that is not why I am voting pooky.

[BabyJesus]

<---- Agrees with MoS.

Pooky is impossible to get a read on, so unless there is a cop saying he is scum you tend not to lynch him.

Therefore, Max should go as he is wagonning a useless cause.

Impossible to get a read on is a BETTER reason to force him to commit to a bullshit claim early on. Wanting to let pooky go now is bad. Max is pretty clearly a townie, I'm shocked that many people are voting him.

[BabyJesus]

I refer you all to BabyJesus' so adequately chosen title

[BabyJesus]

Impossible to get a read on is a BETTER reason to force him to commit to a bullshit claim early on. Wanting to let pooky go now is bad.

I like this reasoning. Except that this is a normal game, and he could probably get by claiming "doctor" or "tracker."

I have a new policy on doc claims. You claim I doc, I will lynch you. period.

[BabyJesus]

Unvote, vote Keys.

Seriously, if there are people that are "unvotable", that's crap.

can we focus on lynching Pooky pls?

[BabyJesus]

I vote he should die for acting like a martyr.

unvote vote:keys

O RLY?

unvote, vote Max

[BabyJesus]

I vote he should die for acting like a martyr.

unvote vote:keys

unvote, vote: max

i see no reason not to finish him off irght now

:goodposting:

[BabyJesus]

The question here really is, who out of the original bandwagon of people stirring up trouble against pooky for no good reason are scum trying to get Pooks lynched.

Why don't you check out the last coupla games where Pook's been scum nightfall?

Stephen King: Mafia, got investigated, got lynched
Random Mafia 2: Mafia, got investigated, got lynched
Gambits 2: Mafia got investigated by BOTH of the cops, also nightkilled N1.

I think there's hardly can cause for concern if Pooky is unlucky enough to be scum.

Werewolf mafia - made it to endgame and won with a ridiculous miller claim
MTG (?) mafia - where you somehow got everyone to lynch me even though I was confirmed mason, and you were scum.

[BabyJesus]

Pooky hasn't done anything remarkably scummy. Therefore, time spent discussing him in particular is for the most part wasted. Time spent discussing those discussing him is nearly as wasted. And there have been at least five comments discussing people discussing people discussing Pooky.

If I were scum right now I'd be participating in all the meta-Pookying to drag the day out until people get weary and jump on the wrong person for a quick, urge-satisfying lynch. Oh wait, I'm replacing MOS, who was doing just that.

Vote: MrBuddyLee

I've read the thread a few times, but give me a few more to come up with a slightly more logical vote.

oh great, another self voter. awesome.

[BabyJesus]

Actually, and I laugh out loud to do this...

I realize what you meant by the rolleyes... you were trying to make the point that armlx's action wasn't as rotten as bj's and i misread your intent. And when I reviewed both of their posts I found this gem from the day before bj's flip-flop:

Thursday 6pm

Wanting to let pooky go now is bad. Max is pretty clearly a townie, I'm shocked that many people are voting him.

I don't want to be accused of being led around by the nose, or look scummy by flip-flopping in the span of five minutes. But I have to be honest, that breaks a tie much better than my previous tiebreaker that armlx's content was primarily apple polishing.

FOS: armlx

unvote, vote: BabyJesus

did you even read where I voted Max? I voted Max after he voted Keys. Prior to that, I thought he was a townie. I found his hopping IMMEDIATELY on a guy who selfvoted very suspicious. Looked to me like he thought he could get an easy train going on him.

[BabyJesus]

unvote

vote BJ

*huggles BuddyLee*

I think you'll make a fine replacement hun.

I'll deal with you later Nightfall you.

*shakes his finger at Nightfall sternly*

you're scum with Mos, aka BuddyLee, aren't you?

[BabyJesus]

actully that's a good point he's only bandwagoned at least I have been talking in the middle so I

Unvote

VOTE:machiavellianmafia

lol....

I'm not sure who is scummier right now, Max, or Pooky/BuddyLee.

[BabyJesus]

Wow, actual game-relevant discussion!! That doesn't involve Huggle Alliances or lynching Pooky!!

I can't say I'm necessarily satisfied with BJ's response as to why he said Max was "clearly pro-town" and later advocated that we lynch him. Of course, I'd had my vote on Max for wagon-hopping and general noncontribution for a while, so perhaps BJ just saw the light.

Max is still an enigma to me. I still think his behavior is very scummy, but he definitely exhibits those newbish traits of an overeager, impatient character. Definitely keeping an eye on him, but I can let his behavior slide for now.

I've been considering voting Nightfall for a while -- throughout this whole "HA advantage" thing, he was the only one giving me particularly... scummy... vibes. I think he just pushed it too hard for too long to be completely legit in my eyes. So I'll have to re-examine his caseand really decide what I think.

I also understand the Armlx vote. Like MBL said, that's pretty much craplogic.

Finally, I had noted MBL's throwing suspicion around in every which way; but his accusations have all had merit, so I can't see any reason to believe that he isn't pro-town. Pooky's attacks and defenses have been less satisfying. I've got my eye on him.


For now, though, I'll

Unvote, Vote: BabyJesus

. His actions just seem a bit too... opportunistic... for me to buy his defense at face value. Gimme a discount or a bit more bang for my buck, and I can be convinced to change.

Is this your first game with me or something?

Also, lol @ getting voted for changing my mind on a player after he did something I found suspicious. Maybe I should just vote and disappear, like so many at this site do.

I originally thought Max was too over the op to be scum, not I think it has more to do with him in general, and has no bearing on his alignment. Given that, with his suspicious actions, I chose to vote him. If we're going to runup everyone who changes their mind about someone without a 3 paragraph explanation, this is gonna be a long game.

[BabyJesus]

O.K I haven't posted in a while as I can't get this site at the moment and my computer keeps on going slow when it's on it. All I really want to say is really

most useless award goes to

Max

So does that answer your question why I haven't posted and why my useless posts are so useless

WTF is going on here.

[BabyJesus]

Yosarian, I've seen others use it and you've used it as well, can you clarify what FOS stands for, thanks.

Full Of Shit, duh.

[BabyJesus]

unvote, vote Rhox

[BabyJesus]

^^^
The same lurkerRhox who's getting replaced?

I must have missed that....

[BabyJesus]

Yosarian, obviously in order for my experiment to work I need to cause some suspicion so that people will be on my wagon. See the connections now?

is this schtick?

[BabyJesus]

I really hate the "I was setting a trap by acting scummy" line. Half the time when someone says that, it's actually a scum who realized he was acting scummy and is trying to talk his way out of it; even when it's not, it's not useful.

I agree with this.

[BabyJesus]

spamwise, can you clarify on what a role claim is? I'm guessing its where someone tells everyone what their role is?

no, it's where we all talk about what roll's we like best. I'm going with Kaiser.

[BabyJesus]

I guess I will be the first role claim of the game, I'm a doctor.

I'll admit that I may have played too overaggresively trying to find scum by using my experiment. You may think I'm more scummy now that I make the outrageous claim of being doctor, but I really am a doctor and it's your decision to interpret otherwise. Now those scum will probably kill me during the night anyways if I don't get lynched here.

good stuff.

confirm vote

[BabyJesus]

Oh shit, I'm not even voting you, am I?

unvote, vote Machiavellian-Mafia

My new policy, I will ALWAYS vote to lynch claimed docs. always.

[BabyJesus]

MrBuddyLee and BabyJesus: Although both of you may not like the fact that I claimed doctor and be more suspicious of me, I will ensure you that if there is a cop investigation of me during night 1, it will prove me innocent.

Glork, Yosarian, and Help im a bug: Good moves on you all's parts, you all should feel great that you all helped to prevent the lynch of a doctor.

doc claim has absolutely no bearing on my suspicion of you. I could care less if you are or are not the real doc. I have recently decided I will always vote for a claimed doc. Larger goal - to force scum to not fake doc, as well as prevent a "doc" from living to endgame to confuse the town. I used to beleive otherwise. now I'm thinking big picture here.

[BabyJesus]

doc claim has absolutely no bearing on my suspicion of you. I could care less if you are or are not the real doc. I have recently decided I will always vote for a claimed doc. Larger goal - to force scum to not fake doc, as well as prevent a "doc" from living to endgame to confuse the town. I used to beleive otherwise. now I'm thinking big picture here.

While I agree with the metagame approach, I'm not sure it's wise to begin with such a drastic plan as lynching everyone who claims doctor. Especially as, since I think you also are for lynching anyone who claims basic townie as well, this will leave

real

doctors who get run up with very little room to maneuver.

Why not instead lynch anyone who claims doctor and then survives the night? That would still discourage scum from claiming doctor, while allowing for possible cop investigations on the claimed doctor, etc.

gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.

[BabyJesus]

vote Max

[BabyJesus]

it did not matter....

people that claim doc need to f'n die, regardless....

[BabyJesus]

Unvote

for now. This Maxlynch feels a little too easy right now....

protection of Max is noted....

[BabyJesus]

unvote

Vote:Max

We should lynch either Max or Machiavelli today, it'll probably come down to claim vs claim.

MM was town and assuming Max is town too I end up with:

vote: Spamwise

so you went from this...

Going to sleep now and since I'm the only one voting ubertimmy atm, I like to get this game moving and I think it's best to vote guy I'm most suspicious about. Also lynching him would give new information even if he is town which I doubt.

And that would be Max so

unvote

vote Max

to voting Spamwise for voting the same you were just voting, simply based on this post?

Everyone I do not say it'll make people believe I'm just saying Wouldn't I do that anyway. It's your choice to believe me or not.

hmmm...

unvote, vote twito

[BabyJesus]

Your quotes doesn't work right..

But I understunt what you meant and I told my reasons to vote Max on earlier posts but I'm still kinda like 50/50 on whether he is scum or not.

I also told my reason why I voted ubertimmy. I'm not sure what lurking means but if it means looking to topic but not posting or something like that I think he is doing that and that makes him look scummy to me.

My vote on Spamwise was based on that post I quoted and some others voting him. I would like to get more evidence and that can be done for example by pressuring someone to claim.

Do you have better idea of who to vote? Well except me ofc coz I know I'm townie

it seems like you are voting Spamwise on the assumption Max is town, when your previous post he was your biggest suspect....it just seems off.

[BabyJesus]

But you are basicly voting me just coz I've changed my vote (and I have told reasons for changing it). Just for record many ppl have been changing their votes in this game. You might have noticed bandwagons on day1. I can't see no real reason why you would vote me atm unless you are mafia. You are just quoting my posts without giving no reasons. That is suspicious imo.

FOS: BabyJesus

No, I'm not voting you just for changing your vote. Did you not read anything? I voted you, because your "reason" for changing was the assumption that the guy YOU were voting for is clean. That, and your vote is simply based on Spamwise thinking one of 2 people were scum, and you disagreeing. And now you fos me. Is everyone that disagrees with you scum?

[BabyJesus]

Also protection of Spamwise noticed.

In your earlier posts you have also told that you are gonna vote anyone claiming doctor or cop. .

Please bump where I said ANYTHING about lynching a claimed cop.

[BabyJesus]

Unvote

I would think that you, BJ, of all people would know that votes get passed around like...well...STDs. 8)

I'm surprised that you are ok with people voting without posting an iota of reasoning (like Kelly Chen) but you come right after Twito because you think it's faulty, which makes me think people can slide by you by doing this:

Vote: Spamwise

.

Right now we need to decide if Max is a newb or if he's scum. We might be making the same mistake as we did yesterday, or we might be rectifying ourselves. If we want more information, however, we can't keep voting Max. We've flogged that horse.

I don't find votes with no reason particularly scummy....using poor reasoning on the other hand strikes me something that scum might do, trying to find a reason for a vote they know is no good.

[BabyJesus]

doesn't that allow the scum to skate by with a vote with no reasoning while we kill townies that make mistakes?

when scum start doing that maybe....I've found that scum like to try and justify their votes so they don't look scummy, though...

[BabyJesus]

oh yea and

vote BJ

Cuz lynching doctors early in a large game is really stupid strategy wise.

Especially in a NORMAL large game where there really is no downside to letting a scumbag live a few days.

look who came out of the woodwork....
a) There is ALWAYS a downside to letting a scumbag live.
b) I disagree on the strategy wise of letting claimed docs live. I used to believe otherwise, and would ALWAYS let a claimed doc live. I now disagree. Vote me for it if you like, it is now SOP in all my games.

[BabyJesus]

Lynching BJ will make kittens dance in the skies!

Do it!

[BabyJesus]

/me likes dancing kittens

I ain't helpful it seems so make your own conclusions and if someone feels like defending me if it seems I'm getting lynched he has the same amount of info I do.
Me defending me simply ain't working

No more of my logic coz you don't seem to like it and you don't find it helpful. If it even makes it thougher for you I'm just gonna stay out of way.

Now on I will follows the best logic I can see someone else having.

wow, that may be the worst reasoning to hop on a vote ever. Pretty sure you're scum now....

[BabyJesus]

confirm vote twito

first he claims he will follow anyone with good reasoning, then he votes to see "dancing kittens"

nice. I'm betting he's just hoping to get any bandwagon going here that will save his scum ass...

[BabyJesus]

These last hops between BJ and BrianMcQueso have just been coz I'm tired of all this. But I do find BJ suspicious. I never understood the reasons of his vote on me and he wasn't willing to explain them.

Is this schtick? I explained in great detail, with quotes and everything why I was voting you.

[BabyJesus]

how bloody clearer do you have to get?

BJ votehops blatantly gets doc lynched day 1 never states any reasoning,(2 people wagon him)

Twito votehops, states crappy reasoning(like a bajillion people vote him)

GEE! I WONDER WHERE THE SCUM ARE THROWING THEIR SUPPORT TO???!?!

Lynch BJ ftw plz.

Every game I'm in I will vote a claimed outed doc. Actually happened in like 3 games here at the same time.

And I hate to break it to you, but my one vote didn't get anyone lynched by itself. But keep spinning, guy. I'm still going to always vote for an outed doc in every game, and I could care less if you agree with me.

[BabyJesus]

vote kellychen

[BabyJesus]

No problem. I was going by the theory that scum like to FOS each other.

I deliberately didn't explain it... That way you don't have anything specific to respond to.

I find it strange that if BabyJesus found that to be suspicious of me, that he should vote for me in the same manner.

no, I voted you for other reasons.

[BabyJesus]

vote vikingfan

[BabyJesus]

rajrhcpfreak

wagonned Pooky, wagonned Max, hammered the doctor without a single word about the guy, voted me, wagonned Max, accused Glork of protecting Max, wagonned Twito, with evidence this time:

Oh yeah and I'm still not gonna RC and pressure won't make that happen. Another thing I actually feel more like voting ubertimmy coz atleast Spamwise postes something but not gonna switch my vote just yet.

That just radiates scumminess.

Then lurked for two weeks and popped up to place a 6th vote on my wagon.

My vote would be here if it weren't for other people's opinions.

I could go here...

in fact,

unvote, vote rajrhcpfreak

[BabyJesus]

I like a raj lynch much better then a MBL lynch now...

[BabyJesus]

Hm, actually I change my mind. I think I'm running too great a risk of being nightkilled for no reason.

I have information related to my role which suggests that vikingfan is scum.

unvote raj, vote: vikingfan

is that all you have? We've had more then one day, care to share more?

[BabyJesus]

I want to hear "info" Kelly has on viking.

[BabyJesus]

. But I tend to think there's a doctor out there, don't you?

besides the one that's already dead?

I'm a little suspicious why kelly refuses to share info with a doc dead, and has only ONE piece of info to share with us, when we have had multiple nights. Clearly she's no cop, and even a tracker-type would have more info, plus would not be 100% positive of scumminess.

[BabyJesus]

alright, I still don;t get why kelly refuses to give more info, but I will

unvote, vote vikingfan

Just a roleblocker, we can survive that loss if Kelly is wrong.

[BabyJesus]

Now Night Fall I 1000% agree with that statement so
I say we lynch VKF
if scum lynch Glork
if town lynch Kelly

vote:Vikingfan

huh? did I miss something?

[BabyJesus]

I am a one-shot cop/vig. More or less if I target a scum with my ability they die, but if I target a townie they live.

I targetted MBL last night due to my suspicions. He is still alive and I recieved confirmation he is pro-town.

this seems pretty weak, IMHO.

[BabyJesus]

BJ, that ability is more powerful than a cop

I mean a weak claim....completely unverifiable, and no pressure to continually come up with views.

[BabyJesus]

vote armlx

way to convenient of a claim, IMHO.

[BabyJesus]

As I stated earlier, I believe armlx. There's no real reason to lynch him. So can we lynch Mariyta already? Obv scum.

no reason other then an extremely suspicious role claim you mean? I wasn;t voting him till that, it seems way to convenient a claim.

[BabyJesus]

But we know NOTHING about Fritz's sanity, RAJ.


And Kelly -- assuming she's a cop (which I do) -- is clearly sane.

starting to think Glork might be scum trying to cast doubt on the cop's investigations now

[BabyJesus]

yea, that doesn't add up....

unvote, vote fortify

[BabyJesus]

I think Glork was the bookie pick of the day.

That was thought as well....

[BabyJesus]

err, that was

my

thought as well.

[BabyJesus]

vote spamwise

[BabyJesus]

BJ: Your voting for the Kelly-confirmed Innocent has been noted.

lol...

Eh,

unvote

I was going back to look to see who may have been going along with Fortify the bookie and pushing Glork yesterday, I forogt who was investigated.

[BabyJesus]

I'm sorry to claim to have started the Max wagon, I belive I did that in the other ongoing NY game I am in and mixed it up (side note: 2 D1 wagons on the same guy? Must be terrible luck).

I think just about every game Max is in he gets suspected as scum.....

good point about him being likely gg though.

[BabyJesus]

vote armlx

like that train better then the std one

[BabyJesus]

happy with an armlx lynch at this point

[BabyJesus]

is armlx dead yet?

[BabyJesus]

wtf is going on here

[BabyJesus]

vote glork

[BabyJesus]

vote tamuz

[BabyJesus]

Vote Max

Going back to my original suspicion until I get a chance to go back and re-read. I want to find out why timmy is such a target (I don't recall anything he did to make it so).

max is not the play...

[BabyJesus]

vote gmk

I don't like a Max lynch at all, simply for the fact it looked earlier like the scum were pushing his lynch pretty hard.

[BabyJesus]

I'm not voting Max, I think he is innocent.

unvote, vote ctd

- I prefer a gmk lynch to ctd, but I'd rather ctd then Max, if that makes sense.

[BabyJesus]

I don't get it. To be honest, I don't even know what I'm accused of. I brought up evidence against a player. I pointed out that Raj, as much as he would like it, is not confirmed innocent. And I replaced a player who was massively lurking.

No one bothered to disprove the first. There's nothing wrong with the second. And me being a replacement and not being afraid to open my mouth should be enough to remedy the third.

And yet we have people like Raj, who has been pretty apathic all game long (because he's bored by allegedly being a simple townie) and was inspired by my analysis to post his biggest message of the game in self-defense, even though I didn't even attack him.

And we have people like slaking_master, who in one post says that Max and Raj are both scummy, yet votes for me in the next because I "seem like a pretty good lynch".

And almost everyone else seems to be comfortably sitting at the sideline waiting for the deadline to kick in, so that an innocent can be lynched without much hassle.

Seeing as I'm at lynch-1, I might as well claim. I'm a vanilla townie. At one point in this game, someone voiced his frustration with all the mindless bandwagons. My guess is that there were (are?) too many people around who didn't really give a damn and decided to bandwagon whomever seemed like the quickest lynch. Raj even admitted it. I know it's true for ubertimmy.

Unless there is an amazing development, this will probably be my last post for today. I've said and done everything that could be expected from me. Max is the correct play for today, but after everything that has transpired, I'd also partake in a Raj lynch. Do with this what you want.

FWIW, I WOULD prefer to lynch gmk, but I'm pretty sure Max is clean.

[BabyJesus]

vote gmk

it's where I thought we should have gone yesterday

[BabyJesus]

all not voting gmk are highly suspect

[BabyJesus]

Huh. I think I will

vote Ameliaslay

today. Mostly for the blatant hopping on the bandwagon yesterday to hammer gmk, while I had thought he was scum for a while (gmk I mean), not much else to go on. Scum is very likely in that runup on gmk.

[BabyJesus]

hi

[BabyJesus]

Nah.

I may be missing some vital subtle things, but the last two days give the impression that you're actually lynching pretty much at random out of the non-confirmed players. Running down people for small things, then failing to discuss things properly. In you guys just seem pretty much paralysed by indifference aout the game at this point.

We have dead scum. With this, and their names, in mind, I intend to read the thread. I'm busy today, so it'll probably get done tomorrow. I encourage other people to do the same. If people are still convinced that I am worthy of their suspicions, then I will answer any and all points,and queries you may have.

But I'm not claiming yet.

my vote on Amelia was mostly due to the oddness of the hammer on gmk yesterday. It didn't seem like there was any effort or belief that gmk was scum - just a hammer drop. It seemed suspicious.

[BabyJesus]

Nah.

I may be missing some vital subtle things, but the last two days give the impression that you're actually lynching pretty much at random out of the non-confirmed players. Running down people for small things, then failing to discuss things properly. In you guys just seem pretty much paralysed by indifference aout the game at this point.

We have dead scum. With this, and their names, in mind, I intend to read the thread. I'm busy today, so it'll probably get done tomorrow. I encourage other people to do the same. If people are still convinced that I am worthy of their suspicions, then I will answer any and all points,and queries you may have.

But I'm not claiming yet.

my vote on Amelia was mostly due to the oddness of the hammer on gmk yesterday. It didn't seem like there was any effort or belief that gmk was scum - just a hammer drop. It seemed suspicious.

I don't really know how to respond to this. Amelia was bored of the game, something that, although it is a ridiculously weak defence, I admit, is also true. I fail to see how I can defend myself against this without using WIFOM in an unreasonably large way, so, i you don't mind, I won't even try. I don't expect people to ignore it, as that would be unreasonable too, but I have no way of answering your question in the manner it deserves.

I didn't expect you to have a "defense" for that, asking people to defend every vote is stupid anyway. it's just what I found suspicious, so I voted you. The fact that the player you replaced dropped out just as they were getting runup does not bode well either...and again, I know that's not something you can defend against.

[BabyJesus]

WTF IS GOING ON HERE

[BabyJesus]

Seems likely at this point Primate and Mariyita are both scum....

[BabyJesus]

huh.

vote mariyita

thought they were both scum, maybe it's just mariyita though.

[BabyJesus]

hi...

[BabyJesus]

Sorry, BJ. You're wrong on that one.

Where's Max? Did we ever get a replacement for him?

well, it's you, Max, or slaking. Why should I believe you?

[BabyJesus]

posting to allow people to read my sig.

thanks for not voting while you were here....

[BabyJesus]

fine, my last ms post,

Vote: Mariyita

.

why do you keep checking in then if you've quit....

[BabyJesus]

raj? Max?

[BabyJesus]

Um, BJ, could you unvote me so someone can't pull an Amelia and just come in and hammer for no reason? Please?

[BabyJesus]

i think we need a replacement for slaking.

yep

[BabyJesus]

I suppose I will

unvote

while we look for a replacement. Where is max?

[BabyJesus]

hi...

I see we're playing again? Good deal.

vote Mari

[BabyJesus]

Oh, sorry. I keep forgetting this game is still going on, lol.

Not ready to vote yet, to be honest. I will do a reread later, kinda tired at the moment. I'm not ready to asume raj is the godfather, as it could just as easily be a deliberate attempt to leave a "godfather" alive at the end to be mislynched.

I seem to recall scum pushing a Max lynch a lot. Need to go see who else was on board with that. I'll try and check in tomorrow.

[BabyJesus]

vote raj

re-reading is overrated

[BabyJesus]

well, before you judge me. BJ did the same thing. i was able to get into the end game where all i had to do was convince the other townie that the other person was scum. and at the end of the game i was contributing more. i dont know why Thok was so agisnt me compared to BJ... i guess just having the name babyjesus people forget about his scummy actions. and it didnt help that my internet was down this weekend.

no choice here, I HAD to let you get to endgame. You and I were the only 2 people "confirmed". Can't kill you off, and then have everyone wonder why I didn't die.

Although, I don;t kow if I was ever viewed or not. I didn;t come up innocent, I had the power to make any of us look innocent. I don;t think I used it on myself a lot - could have gotten lucky though.