NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[ActionDan]

I am a lyncher to Trollie who is mod-confirmed to be scum

VOTE: Trollie

And the Prelude begins.

[ActionDan]

Claiming PGO early is legit.

Quadz does it for example

[ActionDan]

hrm, yes, a 5 vote wagon in an 18 player game, he is confirmed town

fucking idiot

Can you not be an abrasive A-hole this game thanks.

I agree there is a lot of wrong in this thread but there are nicer ways to say it and still be agressive at the same time!

[ActionDan]

EZ mode engage!

I have read and fully understood the last 6 pages.

HD, Go, Kingdom, Smash, and Wind-up are all town. every one. The entire argument for the last few pages has escalated because HD made a very small mistake. very small. I made it too while I was reading. it was #87. I don't think he ever realized it and while it's been pointed out by smash explicitly it's irrelevant now.

please dont dicuss it g2g bbl

also NS is scum

Vote: NS

[ActionDan]

like I really g2g now my post is 1/2 done

[ActionDan]

unvote

Vote: Bacde

Kill it with fire.

Bad vote.

I tried reading the HD/Go thing on this page but my eyes totally fell out of my head. Someone paraphrase it for me, preferably two sentences or less?

Thanks.

laziness without any further commentary on the argument after a summary was provided

Because being expected to be voted for something is what mafia think about, not town.

Wrong. I fully expect to be voted for my playstyle (among those that know and love me). I get voted for same regardless of my alignment.

So just sit there in your wrongness and be wrong.

Irrelevant

Also I dont believe that he actually "expected to be voted", I believe that was just a white lie in an attempt to sound like he knew what was going on and an attempt to almost play down his own scuminess.

Also NS just because you believe something to be true that doesn't mean it magically applies to everyone else. If I believe in god that doesn't make everyone else automatically believe in god and I dont call everyone wrong when they dont.

Translation:

I AM SCUM AND I MUST MISLYNCH NOWNOWNOW AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME MUST ALSO BE LYNCHED

You're welcome.

unvote

Vote: Go

And this vote is forced especially when Go's interpretation is reasonable.

Pertinence of HD/GO argument in NS's decision to vote GO? Zero

[ActionDan]

Also Zoneace, Bacade, and JS are all likely town.

[ActionDan]

I don't mind that there's a Zepher wagon, but why are there not more votes on NS?

[ActionDan]

Please show me where I said he was more scummy than you. (Hint: I didn't.)

It's more what he hasn't done; he has 8 posts, only one of which discusses me at any length. He's avoiding the thread, and pushing my wagon for no logical, discernible reason.

My vote is perma on NS for this.

I am pushing his "wagon" (a wagon of one, just me) for a clear-cut interpretation of his play as outlined in #164 (a post which NS did not address as of yet).

Instead of addressing that post NS deflects by citing my post count and "avoiding the thread" which is trying to paint a picture of lurking scum, even though I haven't been devoting much time at all across all my games.

Also obviously the "take a look at ActionDan if I get lynched" is a scum mentality of pretending to be victimized (esp. as I'm the only one on him). He had listed me in his reads post as "OMGUS scum: actually nah I'm just butthurt" which suggests that he at least reconized that I was on him for a understandable reason, contary to what he's proclaiming now.

NS should be the lynch for today. It's really cut and dry.

[ActionDan]

waiting for that popcorn NS.

[ActionDan]

Certainly I think now is a good time for Day 1 to end.

VOTE: MrZepher

Let's wait a few days if you please.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: ZONEACE

Also I was Under the impression that PGOs claiming early Day 1 was the expected thing. Can someone confirm this?

See here (Note that Hoopla was actually a Vengeful Townie though)

It's long and I'm lazy . But if only one of the two is town its HD, he has the better case .

these posts sound town and satisfy my lowered expectations of the slot. I've meta'd this guy previously.

[ActionDan]

Nah it was in the context of Big brother wasn't it? ;P

I believe that Dram is a sub-optimal lynch. I don't think I'll support it.

[ActionDan]

post

[ActionDan]

Greygnarl smells like a townie flailing

it happens

[ActionDan]

at least one scum has their vote parked on someone with no other votes. all townies parking their votes thusly should stop wasting their time, make one last pitch to get others to your cause or join mine, the most righteous cause.

vote zepher 2013

while I'm guilty of this.

It's hard when NS is blatant scum.

Also I've barely read up on the last 10 pages

[ActionDan]

not changing vote until I give read another readthough.

If you want to be convinced simply iso NS + me together.

[ActionDan]

Quickly isoed Bac/Zef/Dram/and Grey in 10 min.

I'm keeping my vote on NS I'd than have to lynch one of the above.

[ActionDan]

EBWOP:

I'd rather no-lynch than lynch one of the four, even Zef.

[ActionDan]

so I suppose this information-less town-flip is superior to a no-lynch?

Literally town just lynched a guy who didn't give a fuck.

[ActionDan]

Standby Reads.


Reads GO:


Scum: Go, bacde

Town: Trollie, wing-nut, ZONEACE

Townish: Zepher

Irritating: KingdomFaces, rofl

Fucking irritating: petapan

GODDAMMIT: kdowns

OMGUS scum: ActionDan (nah, I'm just butthurt)

Wait, they're in this game?: dramonic, greygnarl, Konowa, kdowns

Of those four, I am equally inclined to Bacde, dram or Zepher.

I do not want to lynch Nobody Special for obvious reasons (not the least of which is that I am town -- actually a town player that would be detrimental to the town to lose, so please, factor that in).

Oh goodie! A wagon!

Vote: MrZepher

How many more times must I spell it out.

VOTE: NS

[ActionDan]

ActionDan, the more you post typical NS posts implying they're scummy without explanation, the further I shift you down the scum end of the alignment scale.

VOTE: dramonic

so I suppose I must explain that the shift in NS's 'townish-read' of Zepher without any explanation in between combined with the vote on the bandwagon today constitutes a scummy mindset?

Consider it explained

[ActionDan]

But I'll give you the [reads] that are at least semi-solid

Dramonic is null-scum

dramonic is a horribad lynch wtf

Interested in unexplained read flips, ActionDan? How about this?

I couldn't care less because HD is obv-town from his play D1. I have not looked at him since. Also that read change was made in a confrontational manner, which is not scummy.

[ActionDan]

HD, Go, Kingdom, Smash, and Wind-up are all town. every one.

These are rock-solid town. That's more or less the most important opinion I have aside from NS being scum

[ActionDan]

but i'm still so torn, because honestly if smashbard is town right now that should be like a layup mislynch for scum

Smash is town and like a good number of people will never lynch him. *swears oath*

[ActionDan]

@ActionDan considering that NS is voting for Zepher, do you think Zepher is a good lynch?

The only "good" lynch is NS. As for NS voting Zepher: NS is scum. He'll do what he wants. Maybe he's voting a buddy for cred. Maybe not. Maybe he's just parking his vote any old place. It doesn't effect my view on Zepher. I'll reread Zepher though sometime because I flipflopped before but it was a gut reaction at the end of yesterday and I didn't fully digest all his posts.

@Kingdom aces. reads on Zone Bacde, and JS haven't changed. still more likely town than not.

[ActionDan]

hey guuuuuys.

[ActionDan]

when is deadline actually over. I was going to go play some poker but if it's within the day I'll be reading

[ActionDan]

ok ok. then I'll get to this in like ~5 hours

[ActionDan]

it's probably better than ZoneFace

[ActionDan]

k I isoed both.

First I think they're both town.

2nd:

Zone is very town. I didn't read OS's wall about it but the progression of thought coming from Zone's posts makes perfect sense to me.

Zeph's #136 and #302 are enough to vote Zeph. Specifically the progression of logic in #302 of voting one guy for a supposed buss of the other, where Zeph's previous vote was.

Vote: Zeph

[ActionDan]

VOTE: NS

game is easy

[ActionDan]

From what I can see, Smashbard was the only person that Konowa had a townread on, so my best guess is that he must have protected him.

I think that two scum being the two competing wagons is rare, especially since Zepher and ZONEACE have barely mentioned each other so they couldn't have been cross bussing. While I still disagree with ZONEACE pressuring Smashbard the way he did, I don't see him following that up by killing him. I retract my scumread on him, and apologize.

If either of ActionDan or JacobSavage are scum, then the other is town. Most of Zepher's efforts towards them was tying them together and didn't have much to say besides that, so if one of them flipped town, he could easily stop bussing the other one. He wanted to lynch Jacob more than Dan, and didn't switch to Dan even when I started a small wagon on him. Therefore, I'm inclined to think that Jacob is definitely town and Dan is even more likely to be scum.

The relationship between Zepher and NS is worthy of mention however. Zepher says he can't read him, but he does provide reads from time to time which are always different. NS starts with Zepher being town, and then that turns to a scum read on him as soon as NS thinks he could be in danger.

I can't tell which of the two are more likely to be scum, but I highly doubt at this point that NS vs. Dan is town against town.

cool, let's lynch from that pool

[ActionDan]

im perfectly fine turning this into a Ns vs Dan 1v1

[ActionDan]

zomg thanks for saving me konowa
(i'll read the dead thread soon enough to find out if you really did)

vote: human destroyer

@peta, at the end of day one, why did you not sheep me onto zepher, as promised?

why this vote?

[ActionDan]

don't mind dram.

As evidenced by Gay mafia II, he may be clueless that you've been crumbing either mason or neighbor.

[ActionDan]

Yeah.

##Vote HD

However if this flips town for any reason Rofl gets lynched

[ActionDan]

actiondan is still scum

Is HD flipping scum or not?

Say yes and stfu

[ActionDan]

well you've given me the first real reason to doubt my conclusion by setting up that awful chain lynch

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NS

[ActionDan]

done trying to fake a cop guilty I suppose?

[ActionDan]

I suggest lynching Rofl after NS flips scum.

[ActionDan]

we have the same spring brake. huh.

[ActionDan]

didn't read it, but I assume if you "caught" him as scum in that game you did so for objective reasons. Both you and wind-up now have excused him on purely subjective grounds.

[ActionDan]

Um.

Saying "he looks exactly as he did in this game or that game" is a subjective assessment instead of an objective one based around what NS has ACTUALLY SAID in this game.

Since I just went over that newbie game HD linked, I read side-by-side read iso's from NS and HD.

NS was scum from #221 alone. That's an objective assessment since he had been partner hunting eariler in that game before he found other people doing the same thing "ludicrous".

[ActionDan]

lol that was my assessment based on an iso. NS contradicted himself ---> he's prob scum. Not unlike this game.

[ActionDan]

are you saying mafia is not a subjective game?

did I say that Bacde? I don't think so.

I believe it to be both. In NS's case subjectivity falls flat considering he more or less plays the same as town or scum. Objective arguments are universally stronger ones anyway, and that's especially true when evaluating NS.

[ActionDan]

how much more obvious must he make it.

[ActionDan]

was I actually due a prod. huh.

[ActionDan]

5/6 of my strong town reads are on NS.

good stuff.

Bacde, Dram. lend a hand?

[ActionDan]

also go ahead and claim NS anytime

[ActionDan]

You happen to be on NS. And not quite a strong town read of mine

just saying

[ActionDan]

Claim: Jailkeeper.

And, uh, I apparently did not action Night One because ..... I don't know. (Where's the facepalm smiley when you

really

need it?)

and your N2 action?

[ActionDan]

Apparently. I looked thru my sent messages, and during the Night here, I was doing a bunch of other modding stuff, but nothing for this game.

Seeing as how I was going to claim VT

and decided to check my Role PM just to make sure, I'd say it's pretty safe that I totally forgot.

ok you didn't action 2 nights in a row then

[ActionDan]

wtf.

[ActionDan]

I personally find that to be bullshit for other reasons and I HIGHLY encourage people to vote NS.

not explaining anymore than that

V/LA until Saturday 23

ongoing game?

[ActionDan]

Of those four, I am equally inclined to Bacde, dram or Zepher.

I do not want to lynch Nobody Special for obvious reasons (not the least of which is that I am town -- actually a town player that would be detrimental to the town to lose, so please, factor that in).

...

Hello setting up a fakeclaim for later.

[ActionDan]

that was NOT a long time ago before the day ended and night one began

[ActionDan]

ActionDan, the more you post typical NS posts implying they're scummy without explanation, the further I shift you down the scum end of the alignment scale.

VOTE: dramonic

so I suppose I must explain that the shift in NS's 'townish-read' of Zepher without any explanation in between combined with the vote on the bandwagon today constitutes a scummy mindset?

Consider it explained

meh, those two posts are separated by about 400 posts! how do you know that this isn't an example of town changing their mind?

@NS what caused you to change your mind about Zepher?

Bacde, I don't negotiate with terrorists, nor do I explain myself to scum.

Get lynched.

I find this a possible continuation of an investigative fakeclaim.

[ActionDan]

I've seen players getting all the way to his flip thinking he was a VT.

He wasn't, it was Day 6.

Intent to hammer HD?

It was NY 160 by the way.

Just checked. Who are you thinking of? I don't see anyone forgetting

[ActionDan]

What's HD's claim again?

why does it take you this long to pipe up.

[ActionDan]

you might be able to prove scum has a roleblocking role.

[ActionDan]

you have never said why you think my case is weak. You have only said that it is weak.

[ActionDan]

That rebuttal paraphrased:

"ActionDan provides weak reasons to think NS is scum" And you're not exactly putting my words in any kind of context either.

[ActionDan]

You mean like when you went through Nobody Special's ISO, quoted individual posts, and added one-line reasonless and therefore completely subjective remarks about them?

Yes I do. And had you the capacity to understand that such behavior typically characterizes scum play you wouldn't have made such an unlettered response. What you call 'completely subjective' was a completely fair assessment, and you have yet to disagree with any particular point I've made. Using the word 'reasonless' only serves to show how damaged your own cognitive ability is.

[ActionDan]

townie downn!

[ActionDan]

I don't mind dying for my sins. (Although I'd argue that NS's handling his role was truly sinful).

VOTE: ActionDan

KingdomAces is also a good bet.

So is Oversoul, now that the other two parties in that Day 1 dispute have flipped scum.

I don't mind dying for my sins. (Although I'd argue that NS's handling his role was truly sinful).

Anyway.

These are some grevious grevious posts.

Besides my intuition which thinks HD was bussed early, Kingdom is town, and Go might as well be a thrid mason.

Furthermore, JS is most likely town.

Furthermore. I underestimated HD. He really knew how to string out a semantic argument. After my death, I suggest, in some order, the deaths of Dramonic, Peta, Rofl, and maybe Peregrine.

@p-edit: that progression of thought is completely normal.

After another scum flips eventually, I'd also suggest considering Wind-up. But not until that happens.

[ActionDan]

Succeeding W/O Really Trying (12/18):

• 1) ActionDan
  2) Oversoul
  Go
  - obvious town
  3) wind-up - most likely town. can reevaluate after all claims are in
  4) KingdomAces - probably town
  5) roflcopter - ?
  6) JacobSavage - soft claimed, also probably town
  7) PeregrineV
  Kdowns
  - ?
  8) ZONEACE - probably town
  9) petapan - ?
  10) Smashbard - mason, town
  11) Dramonic - ?
  12) Bacde - probably town
  

most likely 2 scum in those 4 by P.O.E. I'm going to
VOTE: Dramonic
For that Senseless Oversoul vote.

[ActionDan]

^implies JS and KA are more likely town

[ActionDan]

Dunno wat you mean Smash, your play is fine here.

I so so doubt everyone on the HD wagon read HD as scum without first knowing he was indeed scum. He was in the wrong with that HD/GO argument earlier but that would take some balls to call him scum for that.

[ActionDan]

just shoot me plz. I entered the 1v1. The sooner I die the better since more people suspect me

i.e

i am en emo fuck

[ActionDan]

Lets get A_D I don't buy his last post where he was all depressed

Vote: Action_Dan

I wrote the first line anyway. Someone I know wrote the 2nd.

Anyone who suspects oversoul should look over the Go/HD argument page 6-7 and realize that they're wrong.

HD was most definitely bussed since the remaining townreads (stronger too I might add than HD) were on NS. Obviously it seems not to be a bad strategy considering suspicions seem to be floating right back to Oversoul and Zoneace for no explicable reason.

Dram dying thins the pool to Peta/Rofl/Peregrine. I'd go with Rofl ---> Peta ---> Pere.

[ActionDan]

zepher and smash are actually the best vig targets. if zepher flips scum human destroyer dies next.

Hi my name is Roflcopter and I didn't die N1 despite people townreading me and this lovely and perfectly correct read.

hmmmm.

Vote: Roflcopter

[ActionDan]

actually I left out fear of doctor protects. No matter though. NS dying over Rofl secures the deal

[ActionDan]

You'll have to deal with it if I'm lynched today. Then the "Nonsense" I'm spouting can be trusted. I'm both town and rational. Rofl has no observable reasons for many of his votes. So I think he's cruising on the cred from bussing.

[ActionDan]

Yeah.

##Vote HD

However if this flips town for any reason Rofl gets lynched

actiondan is still scum

Is HD flipping scum or not?

Say yes and stfu

hi remember this

Yeah I do. Is there something more you'd like to mention besides presenting this interaction. Rofl was acting as if he had a cop guilty on HD. But at the same time going out of his way to take a pot shot at me, which is illogical. When pressed, he voted me, which is something no cop with a guilty would do in that position.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: ActionDan

No reason to prolong this.

Anyway one more scum besides me is out there. Who'd you think it is Peta and Rofl?

[ActionDan]

Roberto...?

Er. Black Lagoon?

Well trust me as someone who's been found guilty by fakeclaiming cops. Rofl's behavior is incredibly reminiscent of a scum setting up a cop claim and baiting real cops into claiming with impunity.

But I'm scum so this wouldn't apply unless I were really town.

[ActionDan]

those gunning for Zoneace are probably scum.

those gunning for Oversoul considering that Go v. HD slapfight that was not orchestrated because tempers flew out of control, are definitely either scum or bad at game.

Lynch Rofl tomorrow.

[ActionDan]

it isn't. I was doomed. Best to make it short, so people can focus better tomorrow.

Also Peta's "go fuck yourself" is fake.

[ActionDan]

also consider mass-claiming tomorrow.

[ActionDan]

go/HD.

wow that shit was bordering on sociopathic