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What?In post 51, Thor665 wrote:I wasn't aware that I had cast a random vote in the last two years or so.-
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A lot of smack talk about my playing skills this month.In post 74, Red Ryu wrote:OS, is a bad recruit he is gonna die really fast as either alignment me think.-
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I believe in you buddy!In post 180, Thor665 wrote:In post 176, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
Looks like a TownThor, belittles like a TownThor, thinks like a TownThor.In post 174, Oversoul wrote:Majiffy what is your read on Thor?
Could be ScumThor.-
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I'm not entirely sure how I feel about CTD's suggestion anyway...
He tried to do this in the Team Mafia game which caused Glork to suggest it in OGML's New York game in which scum ultimately won... I don't remember a scenario where mass claim Day 1 actually lead to anything fruitful other than KKB's OP town setup game.
I wanted to nip CTD's plan in the bud because I think it would be highly detrimental to the town.-
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1. True that isn't originally why I wanted to claim but CTD's mass claim idea is just a disaster waiting to happen so yes I guess CTD did influence me in claiming right then and there rather than waiting.In post 220, Nachomamma8 wrote:
That's not why you claimed, now is it?In post 214, Oversoul wrote:I wanted to nip CTD's plan in the bud because I think it would be highly detrimental to the town.
No would want to shoot you because you are useless. You don't need protection because you won't be shot.In post 215, Oversoul wrote:And why wouldn't anyone shoot me?
Why would anyone want to protect me? I'm not exactly useful anymore.
I know. That doesn't change I will probably know how many killing roles are in the game by Day 2.In post 216, Oversoul wrote:Also I think the operative word is *at least*
It doesn't say for a fact that there are only 2 killing roles in the game
2. Exactly. I don't need protection because I am useless and if scum just want a kill in general at a later time they know my death won't be interfered with.
3. As I said, I have more information. Albeit not that much, but more. It is kinda useful with a massclaim I guess but one potential gain in the face of a slew of dead PRs is probably not worth it.-
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I'm not.In post 251, Cephrir wrote:I don't understand why you're so convinced someone's going to nightkill you OS
I'm usually not night killed. I'm pointing out that Nacho's reasoning is borked and him declaring that I will never die is not necessarily true at all.-
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Nhammen was lynched because he had a weird scum meta that psychologically he had followed for the entirety of his time here that caused him to get lynched.In post 230, CrashTextDummie wrote:I was not aware that Glork took the suggestion to another game and that they actually went through with it. Having just skimmed that game, I reject your implication that D1 massclaim lead to a scum win. They actually managed 3/4 scumlynches on the first 4 days as a result of it and with the exception of one scum who managed a somewhat creative fake-claim, all the anti-town roles were uncomfortable as fuck and uniformly claimed VT. The mod acknowledged in post-game that the scum was handicapped by the massclaim. It's actually a great example in favor of D1 massclaim.
Not the mass claim itself.
While yes, it did eventually result in the scum lynches, it also resulted in a large amount of town lynches.
And also gives scum a road map of who to kill.In post 230, CrashTextDummie wrote:3. It rules out any kind of mid-to-late game claiming shenanigans, which severely hampers the scums strategic options.
What if there are masons or other wise roles that can't really interfere or directly catch mafia? What then?-
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What constitutes a majority? I can already see having like 6/7 stalwarts and then the rest claiming essentially pushing those stalwarts to claim simply because it startedIn post 286, Nachomamma8 wrote:
But leaving things secret in a massclaim is not that important, especially so early on. Scum won't care about your role when they have plenty of other power roles to go through; meanwhile, the scum we can catch will be hiding behind your refusal. It doesn't help anyone if you refuse to massclaim but don't stop the massclaim; in fact, that's pretty much the most anti-town way you can respond to the plan.In post 281, Bulbazak wrote:
Yes, I will not claim as part of a massclaim. I seriously hate it that much. I understand that I may die because of it (see Newbie 1337), but at least that leaves something secret and unknown to scum (Tracey was right in this regard, and she should not have claimed during Amurika Mafia.).In post 277, Nachomamma8 wrote:[
Even if there are a majority of people who think it's a good idea?In post 274, Bulbazak wrote:
No.In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote: Bulba, but are you willing to this game?-
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In post 323, Om the Destroyer wrote:
UNVOTE:In post 321, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Papa don't roll that way. Don't want to be giving scumbutts like you legitimate reads to sheep reasons from.
VOTE: BeautyAndTheBeast
Well thanks for admitting it upfront that these reads have no real basis I guess?
And no, agreeing with you is not a basis and not necessarily town motivated, and I know you're a better player than that.
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People on this site need to get the fuck over this mentality that everything all at once has to be shared with them because it doesn't.In post 324, Cephrir wrote:Wow, that's a ridiculously self-centered viewpoint. By that logic anyone who suspects you is scum.
Welcome to my scumlist.
Actions like this definitely do not paint towards "omg scum!"-
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Why did you feel the need to make this correction?In post 511, Nero Cain wrote:and by scum I of course mean mafia.-
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1) I realize that
2) why did you answer for Nero?
3) confused as to how Beast made any distinction... That was Nero. They just called him SK essentially
Nero, I repeat my question... Hopefully with more clarification.
What was your motivation in changing scum to Mafia? They are the same thing essentially and your point wasn't lost when you used the word scum.
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Fair enough but it is annoying and ruins my enjoyment when I have a player who always calls me scum regardless of whether or not I am scum and I just wanted to tell you that :/In post 531, Nero Cain wrote:
Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.In post 529, Oversoul wrote:I'm not scum Nero and you continue to show your inability to read me-
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It really depends. I'm okay with hydras getting their reads consolidated and voting accordingly, but what I don't like was the apparent fact that Mala felt compelled to explain why they hadn't voted yet.In post 553, Desperado wrote:
Which comes from a town mindset, right?In post 552, Oversoul wrote:That's preemptively cautious :/
There's 11 other people not voting, most of which had not checked in. I don't think anyone was really wondering why the hydra hadn't voted yet.
I agree, but see above.In post 554, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
Or it's how a team works.In post 552, Oversoul wrote:That's preemptively cautious :/
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Hint: This is not as scummy as you thinkIn post 573, Bulbazak wrote:
Hmm...In post 571, fuzzybutternut wrote:I can already tell you that most of my reads in this game are going to be strictly gut, unless I see something direly scummy going on.-
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So, arrogant. Got it.In post 575, Bulbazak wrote:
So, scumbuddy. Got it.In post 574, Oversoul wrote:
Hint: This is not as scummy as you thinkIn post 573, Bulbazak wrote:
Hmm...In post 571, fuzzybutternut wrote:I can already tell you that most of my reads in this game are going to be strictly gut, unless I see something direly scummy going on.-
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It's alignment neutral.In post 626, Amethyst Kitty wrote:His suggestion to mass-claim seems genuine IMO and Nacho has done far more scummier stuff other then the mass-claim anyway
CTD did it in the recently finished invitational NY game as scum traitor. However, he did do much more in my opinion here to try and get mass claim to occur than in that game.
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I thought Mala posted that post?In post 745, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
Following it? I made that thread. why? what's the reason for you posting this, I'm obviously aware of the tell otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up and neither would have Mala. I also wouldn't have brought up stats if I didn't know about it...In post 652, Oversoul wrote:
It's alignment neutral.In post 626, Amethyst Kitty wrote:His suggestion to mass-claim seems genuine IMO and Nacho has done far more scummier stuff other then the mass-claim anyway
CTD did it in the recently finished invitational NY game as scum traitor. However, he did do much more in my opinion here to try and get mass claim to occur than in that game.
Are you following that thread in MD stating that Nacho's summary is a scumtell?
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She posted the post right before so it was weird when you guys said that and it was apparently coming from another head.-
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Hmm. Ok.In post 774, CrashTextDummie wrote:I will comment on other points of discussion tomorrow when I should have time to do more than skim thanks to the holiday, and I will likely move my vote to B&B, although Oversoul really should be voted to oblivion for persistently ignoring this question:
People have been asking about the case against him. It has been repeatedly pointed out what the scum motivation is behind a claim like his, and he has so far provided zero town motivation for doing it. I really struggle to think of any.In post 267, CrashTextDummie wrote:Why did you want to soft-claim pre MC-suggestion, Oversoul?
He is also guilty of soft-claiming, which in general is shady at best and a common scum tactic, and the appropriate course of action is to force a full claim.
I ignored it again because I wanted to see your reaction to me ignoring it and whether or not you would expand beyond just suspecting me.
My claim was a gambit. I am not an informed townie. I made that claim because I wanted to see the reactions and judge whether or not anyone would jump down my throat to get me lynched for it and so far only Nacho really committed that crime.
As to why I contradicted myself, I did because I legitimately wasn't thinking when I answered the first time. I kept being vague or outright not answering the question because I wanted more people to react to my claim and unfortunately only a handful of players did.
CTD's analysis of the mass claim tell looks very town motivated and the fact that he is moving forward with his scumreads when I figured he would sit by and wait for me to respond or try to further a case against me seems very town. I am happy to call him town in this game.
Yes, my Informed Townie claim was a gambit. I do not have any special information about the setup. My extra tid bit of "I have more information" was to further the gambit more until more people had commented on it.-
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Why don't you just say SK here?In post 757, Nero Cain wrote:BTW guys, OM is a total 3rd party
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The players?In post 824, Desperado wrote:
Can you quote and comment on each of these?In post 820, Oversoul wrote:
Hmm. Ok.In post 774, CrashTextDummie wrote:I will comment on other points of discussion tomorrow when I should have time to do more than skim thanks to the holiday, and I will likely move my vote to B&B, although Oversoul really should be voted to oblivion for persistently ignoring this question:
People have been asking about the case against him. It has been repeatedly pointed out what the scum motivation is behind a claim like his, and he has so far provided zero town motivation for doing it. I really struggle to think of any.In post 267, CrashTextDummie wrote:Why did you want to soft-claim pre MC-suggestion, Oversoul?
He is also guilty of soft-claiming, which in general is shady at best and a common scum tactic, and the appropriate course of action is to force a full claim.
I ignored it again because I wanted to see your reaction to me ignoring it and whether or not you would expand beyond just suspecting me.
My claim was a gambit. I am not an informed townie. I made that claim because I wanted to see the reactions and judge whether or not anyone would jump down my throat to get me lynched for it and so far only Nacho really committed that crime.
As to why I contradicted myself, I did because I legitimately wasn't thinking when I answered the first time. I kept being vague or outright not answering the question because I wanted more people to react to my claim andunfortunately only a handful of players did.
CTD's analysis of the mass claim tell looks very town motivated and the fact that he is moving forward with his scumreads when I figured he would sit by and wait for me to respond or try to further a case against me seems very town. I am happy to call him town in this game.
Yes, my Informed Townie claim was a gambit. I do not have any special information about the setup. My extra tid bit of "I have more information" was to further the gambit more until more people had commented on it.
Realistically, I was only going to look at the people calling me scum for my claim since that usually is what happens when I do stuff like this. Scum think they see an easy mislynch and go for it either to 1) to lynch me that day or 2) make me a desirable lynch for the town at a later date
When I have more time and I am not tired I will.
I received A LOT more people defending my claim than I expected which I find strange as hell considering everything.-
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You're gonna have to walk me through this one Nero because in a normal game, 3rd parties are always SKs. There is no middle ground on that.In post 826, Nero Cain wrote:
but I wasn't calling him scum!!!In post 825, Oversoul wrote:
Why don't you just say SK here?In post 757, Nero Cain wrote:BTW guys, OM is a total 3rd party
This post seems odd given you jumped all over Mollie for calling you indie.
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Nero. In normals all third parties are scum.
Jesters are strictly not allowed.
Survivors are strictly not allowed.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal Read the last line under "explicitly non-normal" headline-
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I am a gullible person naturallyIn post 834, Nachomamma8 wrote:please stop letting nero troll you, jesus
Although this is the only thing that you are commenting on now that I have basically confirmed your suspicions that the claim was a lie?-
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People really just like wagoning me for whatever reason. I don't think I've ever gone through a game where people have not either wagoned me or suspected me for a long period of time.In post 841, Nachomamma8 wrote:Why did you think that anyone would jump down your throat to get you lynched for it?
When I do strange things I usually get wagoned, see AFFC where I mixed up my role PM, see 90s Cartoon Mafia where I did another gambit, see First Time Mafia where people did not necessarily wagon me for my gambit claim, but they did announce suspicion.
It isn't a tell in that "if a player gambits, they will be voted" but more so "if Oversoul does something strange, he will be voted".
I will try to give reads on the people who reacted for those who asked, but don't expect them to be timely. Also expect that post to be long.-
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Explain what? That is my Informed Townie claim. I just said that the claim was a gambit and everything that was related to it was a lie.In post 853, Bulbazak wrote:
Eddie, let Oversoul and others answer their own questions and defend themselves.In post 847, EddieFenix wrote:
He was lying about there being 2 killing roles to make a believable story. The quote you are asking him to explain about is just fluff from the gambit while it was going on during early day 1.In post 823, Bulbazak wrote:
Explain this:In post 820, Oversoul wrote:Yes, my Informed Townie claim was a gambit. I do not have any special information about the setup. My extra tid bit of "I have more information" was to further the gambit more until more people had commented on it.
In post 204, Oversoul wrote: There are at least *2* killing roles in this game.
Oversoul, I still want you to answer this.
I did it to get reactions.
If you mean specifically why that information well because it was something I could say that wouldn't immediately be a lie. I was legitimate in applying the fact that Mastin had 7 people review this game. There are probably a lot of roles and such that required that much balance maintenance.
It is also very large so I can see it going the way of Peregrine's Playground Mafia which was large and had a lot of roles too.
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I did read it.
I don't have confidence in my ability to read Nacho. He isn't a player that sticks out in my mind despite his prevalence on the site for whatever reason.
I'm not going to really go into people's alignments until I have had the time to reread the reactions to my gambits anyway. I'll let you know then.
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If you are trying to do something psychological I wish you luck, lol.In post 866, Bulbazak wrote:Regarding your "gambit", why did you choose "roles" specifically?
I said roles because I didn't want to say definitively "oh there is a vig, oh there is an SK" that could let people who had the ability to kill to have a buy.
Mainly, I just wanted to be inclusive of all possible killing roles while being vague enough to see if people brought up specific roles or not.-
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<3In post 878, Seanald wrote:I have a soft spot for Oversoul cuz of 90's mafia so my heart says town but my mind is still leary.-
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I'm not attacking you here. I actually thank you for answering it because I thought the answer was obvious as well. I guess we both misunderstood what Bulb was actually getting at since it seems to be more than just motivation and involves specific wording.In post 885, EddieFenix wrote:I wasn't answering FOR you at all. So, let's stick to the facts here.
Anyway, I don't think what you did was actually scummy. Especially since you're attacking me here. The only reason I could see someone doing what you did as scum was to tie themselves to the other person. You attacking me makes me think you are worried about being associated with me which goes against the original premise.-
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Does that really make sense, FuzzyIn post 1038, fuzzybutternut wrote:>.> Fine.
Prod dodge.
Bacde is too, well, bacde, to be scum. So I think he is likely town.-
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