NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)
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I got to about page 13 yesterday and then decided to wait and see if mollie and I survived the night before reading the whole damn thread.In post 2845, Bacde wrote:
hey fferyIn post 2828, ffullisade wrote:hi guys.
nacho, I hear from mollie that you are looking pretty scummy. tell me it ain't so.
what else do I need to know?
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now, more than ever, I need you to not sheep the "project themselves as power players" crowd
because this game is a bigger mess than a pot of south carolina shrimp gumbo spilled over a gopher hole (although actually w/ 1 bluescum down we are doing alright)
mollie is towntowntown so I figure you are town for being in the same slot, HELP MEE
13 pages was enough to get a scum vibe off Red Ryu, though, as well as a sense of unease about Nacho. I don't really know Thor. he was another active player during the period before day 1 voting was supposed to start. How do you feel about him? Think he's town?
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actually was dodging Thor's questions. It was enough to move them out of the town pile. 2.) Majiffy was the only one who backed Red Ryu up about directing the night actions. Everybody else who commented was against it, iirc, and referred to it as anti-town.[/quote]
that is so majiffy.
I'll be focusing more on reads than on strategy probably. I know my strengths and weaknesses.
figuring you out is going to be a priority after our first game together.
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ugh quote fail...trying again.
that is so majiffy.In post 2858, Bulbazak wrote:Ffullisade: Two things: 1.) The Thor/Mollie interaction from d1. Mollie actually was dodging Thor's questions. It was enough to move them out of the town pile. 2.) Majiffy was the only one who backed Red Ryu up about directing the night actions. Everybody else who commented was against it, iirc, and referred to it as anti-town.
I'll be focusing more on reads than on strategy probably. I know my strengths and weaknesses.
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that was to bulba. he fooled me pretty badly in the first game we played. and left me alive to endgame too, damn him.In post 2868, Bacde wrote:
lol?In post 2865, ffullisade wrote:figuring you out is going to be a priority after our first game together.
I haven't betrayed you once. Ever. I wasn't even betraying you in that first game.
You keep referring to our first game as though I did a bad thing
Sure, 42 ended up being scum but I wouldn't have seen that w/o my top scumread being lynched in that game
and I helped you realize that AP was scum in that game
I'm a good guy man, and my reads are good. Maybe they aren't perfect, but they are good
and nacho isn't sitting right with plenty of people for a reason
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fwiw I think I'll be able to spot scum-nacho if he's scum this game.In post 2878, Bulbazak wrote:
No, the argument for Nacho beingIn post 2873, Bacde wrote: ugh this argument for nacho being town is ALL wifom
and your argument for me being scum is that I'm pushing on nachoscumis all WIFOM. And my argument for you being scum is thewayyou're pushing Nacho, not the actual push itself.
P-edit: I moved it to null/scum. I'm still trying to make up my mind about that slot. I'll probably get a much better read from Ffery in the next few pages.
and this IMO is town bacde.
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hi HD. what's your reasoning on Haylen?In post 2913, Om the Destroyer wrote:
You should vote Haylen whether or not you do these things.In post 2912, CrashTextDummie wrote:I feel that I should go smoke a cigarette and/or bang my head against the wall.
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it was meIn post 2823, Amethyst Kitty wrote:OMG, Bacde no... I think I'm wrong about Nacho though I wouldn't mind you following me onto Eddie
VOTE: Eddie
Going back to where I ended yesterday, Fuck you guys for lynching OS though
Mollie, was it you who said KK was town or was it Jiffy because I want to know why KK is town...
~Mara
I had him as town cos I liked his posts and I liked his push on thor. anybody who pushes thor is my auto-friend.
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Hello! I've been looking forward to playing a game with you sometime.In post 2947, Thor665 wrote:Want to address your partner's question dodging?
Is that one of your strengths?
I can't answer questions about day 1 beyond about page 15 yet. I imagine questions about Mollie's play will be better answered by her, though.
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Mollie says that she scumread you and you OMGUSed.In post 2950, Thor665 wrote:Oh, I KNOW they would be better answered by her.
But, y'know, the whole 'dodging' thing is something of an impediment to the entire discussion.
So I just decided she's scuma and needs death. Let me know if you have any deeper thoughts about that one.
Is this true? What page did your questions start on?
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I don't think she is lying to me at all. But, I'm also not assuming that you are lying, at least not off the bat. There's a space somewhere between the two extremes of one's lying or the other is lying, where misinterpretation, ambiguity and confusion live.In post 2955, Thor665 wrote:@I don't know, is it true? She's your partner, and if you're town I would like to think she's not lying to you, right? As to what page it started on...I'm pretty sure you could go use Ctrl+F and the ISO feature as well as I could.
Since she thinks you are scum, you'll be one of my ISO priorities anyway. I was hoping that you could point me in the direction of the stuff that you are concerned about.
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this post is so full of noIn post 2962, Kublai Khan wrote:I'm curious to see where Amethyst Kitty's line of questioning is going. But not really. They are scum.
Quick, somebody (not Amethyst Kitty) name 5 reads that Amethyst Kitty has.
If you have to ISO, then you have to uncover 10 substantial reads.
Can't be done. Amethyst Kitty is a hydra double-posting nothingness.
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I'm not bothering reading any Bacde posts until he can post something substantial and not just random braindead tunnelling bullshit.
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Oh, Seanald is scum too. He's been playing enough to not WIFOM a NK so strongly. Especially with such open leading questions.In post 2899, Seanald wrote:ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him?
Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.
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Didn't you just chastise Seanald for posting IIoA?In post 2905, Bulbazak wrote:The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?
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Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?
CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???
And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.
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Was me.In post 2951, Thor665 wrote:Though, actually, who was it who was actually telling me that OS's claims didn't make logical sense considering his eventual BP claim?
That person needs to sheep me more, but I want to call them town at this stage.
I sorta think it was KK though...so...meh.
I've got a town-read on Haylen right now though. How would you feel if I started an Amethyst Kitty wagon?
I probably will soon, but I want to do some reading first. So probably Monday.
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he is going after sealderinaIn post 2974, Bulbazak wrote:Need more than that, Mollie.
I read it again and there are really great points in there but
the curve of his thought process does not line up with a right angle for me
and I can't really explain it
also "dodging thor"
majiffy was telling me to leave him alone. so I was ignoring him/putting him off cos he was not in our crosshairs.
then he gorilla fisted into mine
that's the story-
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hi Thor,
I read through the rather painful combined ISO of you and B&B last night. I came away from it with two takeaways: bleeding eyes, and a distinct impression that most of your and Mollie's disputes were crap. And I saw that you tried to do something similar with Majiffy to the effect that he was somehow responsible for answering for the arguments (and lack of arguments) that you were having with Mollie.
Knowing our alignment and knowing that Mollie and I frequently remember very different things about games we played in the past and accuse each other of lying over it, I don't find your reactions in those matters to be scummy.
Mollie does find you scummy, but she knows your game. I do not.
I didn't come away from your ISO with a good grasp of your reads. Before day 2 started, I read the first 15 pages worth of the game. RR's early posts looked like what I've seen of his scum game, and I assigned you some towncred on the basis of your reactions to his posts. So, I think I'll want to put some weight on your reads once I understand them, despite knowing that in at least the ffullisade case you're wrong.
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1. accountable does not mean able to answer for, which is what you asked me to do, and I thought you asked Majiffy to as well, but god that iso I don't want to look for the posts again
2. I'm not seeing stuff I recognize as lies. But, I am remembering some heated cross-accusations over very different recollections of what happened in some games.
3. Heh. welcome to my world.
4. You've misunderstood. Your posts looked like town reaction to me. Not faction reaction. Now I have to figure out if that should change. I hate changing reads based on early thread interactions because I trust them. But, I wasn't in the thread to interact at that point and that lack can't be remediated. What I can bring to the table at this point is fresh eyes. Though fresh eyes don't stay fresh for long in a 100+ page day 1 read.-
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Yep. but I can't and won't arbitrate an argument over old games I didn't play and don't give a shit about. If you think that's scummy, then go ahead and get us lynched.In post 2995, Thor665 wrote:That might be true if you were a replacement for her or I asked you to answer for Majify's actions.
You can still communicate with your hydra partner, last I checked.
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oops.In post 2999, fferyllt wrote:1. Nope. I don't think she's lying.And I don't see how you get that from what I've said. As far as tunnelling, where? She has a scum read on you but I don't see her making shouty posts about how you need to eat rope now or anything. When she and I synch up today, my ISO impressions will be on the agenda.
2. Noted.
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I didn't dodge you. I said if I missed something you asked it was probably cos majiffy was telling me to leave you alone. I asked you to ask me again what you think I did not answer and I can't remember if you even responded. whatever it is, there have been plenty of opportunities to clear up any confusion but instead you are trolleytracking on me while simultaneously accusing me of doing the same.In post 2979, Thor665 wrote:No, "the story" was that you intentionally didn't respond to me because word wars with scumThor = doomz!
Then you acted confused that I had issue with you not answering things because "you think you answered everything I asked"
Y'know, even though it was your strategy to deal with me by *not* answering everything I asked.
where is your vote? not on us iirc and it wasn't on us yesterday either. so if we are such a strong scumread then why no vote? why are you sheeping cephrir over one of your top scumreads? <-----this does not add up
I mean are you saying that cephrir is conftown and that his judgment is better than your own? cos that is what your actions point to only I am looking at cephrir's post and there is nothing in there that could possibly make someone with a *town read * on cephrir sheep their vote when they had a stronger scumspect in sight.
the problem is, is that your read lacks conviction cos you have yet to back it up with action. and whether you realise it or not (and I am sure you do) you are treating us as town <---- your actions point to this. placing a silly vote and saying that you were sheeping while trolleytracking on us and slaandar, helps give you cover so that you don't have to dispense other reads. <----no trail. <----scum motivation.
and this is why I think you are scum thor. your posts point to scum motivation. town thor makes good sense and you are simply not adding up in this game.
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that is some fancy tiptapping you are doing right there, is there moar? what you are trying to paint as "distancing" is called M-E-D-I-A-T-I-O-N and is giving me space to answer what is directed to me. stop trying to paint our hydra dissonance as scummy cos that is not a scumtell and you know it. also my hair is ruddy not my role pm.In post 2985, Thor665 wrote:
1. You're a hydra with her, like Majiffy before you. You *are* accountable for what she says and does just as she is. I am not playing with two slots, I am playing with two players in one slot. If one of you drops a scumtell and one of you drops a towntell then I don't have two different reads, I have one combined read. I vastly don't understand either your or Majiffy's desperate desire to distance from your ruddy other hydra head.
oh I know how this one goes down. where is the lie?2. I know my reactions aren't scummy, unless it's scummy to point out lies and say 'oi!' nowadays. I'm pretty sure it isn't.
I find you scummy cos you are doing scummy things. don't try to pretend otherwise.3. She finds me scummy for 'knowing my game' and calling things I'm doing scummy...as long as she squints and turns her head sideways to justify how she hasn't seen me doing the exact things she's calling scummy when I'm town. Which, y'know, is kind of a big deal that she's doing that.-
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I suppose if you want to twist "majiffy asked me to leave you alone so I did" into a "strategy" to not discuss things with you okay well then. I guess you were able to discern my supposed intent. where are you going to go with that?In post 3011, Thor665 wrote:While...having as your strategy *not to discuss things with me*.
I don't see how these two stories mesh.
Explain?
your vote landed on os.Wait...I *wasn't* voting you yesterday?
...since when?
Because according to the Mod I was, and according to my memory I was, and according to you complaining that I voted you yesterday I was...so...whut?
this. so much of this. walk me through the process where sheeping someone whom you were suspicious of during the prior day and haven't given out a town read on should take precedence over your own strong scum read is a normal occurrence. cos I am just not seeing it.Are you serious? Because that blatantly adds up and is a normal occurrence.
okay1. Okay, so you guys are m-e-d-i-a-t-i-n-g and thus *are* discussing reads with each other and thus *should* be able to answer me when I ask one of you what's up with the other? Because that's what I'm doing.
2. Point to me calling you on dissonance. I have never once had an issue with you having two different reads. I have very much had issue with you having different stories, and moreso have mostly had that only with one head self-contained from the other. If you are using 'dissonance' to mean 'has issues with head A telling one version of how things happened and Head B having a different story' then *yes* I am calling you on dissonance, and am quite willing to back that play. But that is not the normal 'hydra dissonance' issue most people have, so I want to clarify that.
no. and more no. but let us walk through the responses that you think you are reading and how they are completely different and therefore could not be congruent with each other. what is bugging me and is making me really sticky with my fos on you is that you have replaced into a game for me before and know my responses don't always make sense to most people. that you are not town reading me is bothering me especially since it is based on weird reasoning; it is why I am not reading you as town.We are actively discussing it currently, and I've hardly been shy about mentioning it - the issue of your question dodging and the reasons behind it. You have provided two different responses and both do not seem able to be true concurrently - therefore one is a lie and you are making answers up to defend yourself, and therefore are not town, and are scum.
That's how the tell works.
I have not seen you be super dumb and trolleytrack on town before, no. I have seen you parry, sidestep and do other things but not trolleytrack in a way that left you indefensible. so tell me why what you are doing is not scummy.You find me scummy for doing things that are;
1. Not scummy.
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2. Even if we want to live in a universe where we decide they are scummy - I blatantly do them as town and defend them as normal, so they are null tells even then, and worse off you should be well aware I do them as town since you've seen me do this exact sort of thing before.
see this is where I wonder if you honestly think I am on the opposite scum team as you cos of the winky face. I am not scum and you will get no cred with our lynch if that is what you are angling for. cos we are town.Don't try to pretend otherwise.
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actually I have never heard this particular rantIn post 3012, Thor665 wrote:@Slandaar
@Mollie
Also, both of you have played with me enough, I suspect, to hear my rants about how useless one vote wagons are.
So...y'know, both of you can clarify why this is scummy of me some more. I'd love to hear it.-
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no. what I am saying is that you are using certain words to ascribe an intention that I don't have. that is what I am sayingIn post 3014, Thor665 wrote:I was actually just using your own answer, when you said that *was* your strategy - or are we now claiming I misunderstood when you said that?
not for thatNo...according to my memory, and the mod vote counts, my vote landed on Red Ryu...y'know, a scum player. And not on OS, whom i called town, and he was.
I also voted you.
So, now that we've proven that your read on me is based, at least partially, off two totally not true things...are you still scum reading me for this?
I thought I did.Explain how it's pro-scum play?
okay. or *maybe* you are just scum. *maybe* it really is that simple.Maybe I consider Cephir's push on Red Ryu to make him look more town in retrospect?
Maybe I'm curious to get a read on Haylen, a player I've admitted to having not read any of and who replaced into a rather blatant null/lurker slot?
Maybe I just want to start the push on a wagon to see what reactions I get to it.
Y'know, the usual *totally insane* things that no town would do, because it is so blatantly scummy play.
I think sometimes we can arrive at the right conclusions by following an incorrect internal process and have the process totally be wrong but still be right in the results that we draw.I'll at least admit your quick back off of at least this misrep attack on me is a nice moment - it's a shame it took you this long and you are still glomming onto so much of the rest, while not bothering to analyze for yourself the value of your read on me considering how you're clearly using wrong info, conclusions, and thoughts.
are we going to argue about how mafia is a rational game now
okayYes, and more yes (man, this is easy to counter with)
Here is the conversation as I understand it;
Thor: U iz dodgin' scum-gal!
Mollie: Dodgin' whut na0w?
Thor: Dodgin' mah queshtins!
Mollie: I am answered all ur kweshtins! Link to ones I not!
Thor: (giant honkin' wall of links)
Mollie: Oh...well...uh..y'see, I was *intentionally* not answerin'...cause...u scumz...wit scary mind powah and u eat me aliive in werd war!
Thor: ...den Y U say U answerin' if U *plannin' not answer? Why not just say 'I plannin' not answer!
Mollie: ... ...whut?
Thor: That is a lie, only one be true, can't coexist.
Mollie: Nuh-uh!
Thor: Yes.
Mollie: Y no coexist?
And now we're here.
2 precludes 1Here's the point - you have answered a lot of my questions with dodges. You have supplied a number of reasons for those dodges. Here's a quick list in (I believe) chronological order.
1. You were ignoring me.
2. Majiffy told you to back off of me.
3. You think you answered everything, but I should re-ask the ones you didn't answer...but you answered them all.
4. You were intentionally not answering me because that's some sort of anti-Thorscum strategy for you...even though it is a strategy you used as scum against town Thor in Audio mafia.
I think you should ask the ones youfeellike I didn't answer, cos Ifeellike I answered them all.
I didn't ignore you in audio mafia what are you even talking about here. one minute you are saying that I WAS ALL OVER YOU and the next you are saying that I ignored you wth
I didn't want links I wanted you to restate your questions. and I think I *did* answer your questions you are the one who keeps pushing this dumb agenda. you know who pushes dumb agendas it is scum that is who3 and 4 don't gel very well. If you were intentionally not answering me about stuff, why would you act confused and want links to questions I had asked you? After all - you *know* you haven't answered things. That's the ENTIRE POINT OF WHAT YOU WERE DOING. Like, that's the goal you were going for, to not answer things. So why act confused by me taking issue with you not answering things?
except I didn't dodge.That suggests that either 3 or 4 is a lie.
If either of them are a lie then I think you're scum, because town you being honest about 4 wouldn't have said 3, and town you being honest about 3 wouldn't have tried to dodge again.
that it does not qualify as a lie.And that's the lie
And that's why they don't mesh together.
But, please, tell me what I'm missing here.
cos you have had to defend my bad logicSo you're not reading me as town because I suspect you because you have bad logic...when I HAVE CAUGHT YOU AS SCUM BECAUSE OF YOUR BAD LOGIC IN THE PAST.
Yeah...tell me more.
wrt the bold: there is a disconnect here. I didn't target you in audio for meta reasons, never went after you for them so what in the world are you even talking aboutAre you kidding me?
Remember Audio Mafia.
REMEMBER AUDIO MAFIA - I TRAINED YOU WITH A DIESEL ENGINE OF PURE TRAIN POWER STRAIGHT THROUGH THE HEART.
You are, functionally, committing the scumtell you're attributing to me now. Fake awareness of meta.
Except I actually have a reason not to take 'lack of logic' as a town tell from you.
And I also have a reason to take 'dodging and trying to avoid around things' as a scumtell from you.
What have you got?
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Do you have a read on Thor? Or is this something you don't want to talk about today?In post 3041, Bacde wrote:Ok whether or not Slandaar is right about Thor I am convinced that he is town
Mollie and I talked about her reasons for thinking Thor is scum, and I buy into them, since I know they are coming from a town perspective and she has a hell of a lot more experience playing with Thor than I do.
I could still go for a Nacho lynch personally. Reading through that mass claim discussion did not give me a happy this-is-town-nacho vibe at all.
there are a ton of other players to catch up on, so exactly what my day 2 lynch priority should be is a little up in the air until I'm fully caught up. I have another game that's entered its final hours before nightfall and it's taking up most of my mafia-time right now.
@Thorwhile I'm getting up to speed, I'll probably ignore your day 2 posts for now unless you make it clear enough that you are addressing something to the fferyllt head of ffullisade that I can spot it as I exercise the scroll wheel on those walls. Or better yet...make it a short post!
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hi thor
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let's talk. lets get real close.
I am not going to do any wall warring with you. I am going to play in the style that I am most comfortable with cos otherwise we will on for another 20 pages. all you are doing is twisting everything I say to suit your personal narrative and it is starting to get very annoying so stop doing that.
so, your case on me is basically that my story is inconsistent. is inconsistency a scumtell of mine? cos you spent an awful lot of time defending me in this game when you replaced in:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24103
for doing that as town when adam was all and hot bothered to get me lynched. he did in that game the exact same thing that a you are doing inthisgame.
oh and dodging? didn't you try this crap in the cult game? why I do believe you did. this is so textbook it isn't funny, cos voided did in that game what bulb is doing in this one which is to support your crappy "dodging" case on me. you made it up in that game and you are making it up in this one.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=24690
so will you look at that. I just proved that you have town meta on me for doing what you are accusing me of so wat do you think that.
POW!
your meta case sucks and I think you know it. you are not isoing me or even bothering to try to discern my alignment. you are doing the very same thing you did in the cult game. <----- this is why I think you are scum.
eta, xpost:
no thor this is what happened.
mollie foses thor.
mollie pursues her readwhile also looking elsewhere.
thor omguses mollie.
thor pursues mollie and slaandy to the exclusion of others in the game, not offering any other reads.
thor blatantly admits to not reading pages even though it could impact his read on us.
here we are today.
^^^ this is what happened.
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bc, will probably sheep your vote but I do not want thez speedlynched I would like for fery to be given enough time to get her feet in the game. I waffle on nacho, cureently I am back to scumreading him for a couple of meta reasons other than what I have already said.
oh and speaking of dodging questions I asked thor what he thought about my meta case on nacho and I don't think he responded. pot meet kettle.
also why are you scumreading us cephrir? you had us as town yesterday-
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This audio game thing is part of your case on her. correct?In post 3046, Thor665 wrote:Could you explain her reasoning as regards Audio Mafia?
She is refusing to do it for me, but I'm guessing when she explained it to you and how I was wrong so you could understand - could you restate what she said to you about it so *I* can understand?
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I just wanted to clarify because iirc we misunderstood each other over somethig else. or maybe it's me who misunderstood you.In post 3084, Thor665 wrote:
That would be a point I have brought up repeatedly and just asked you about before you now have asked me if that's what I was asking you about.In post 3082, ffullisade wrote:
This audio game thing is part of your case on her. correct?In post 3046, Thor665 wrote:Could you explain her reasoning as regards Audio Mafia?
She is refusing to do it for me, but I'm guessing when she explained it to you and how I was wrong so you could understand - could you restate what she said to you about it so *I* can understand?
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I haven't really discussed your case on mollie with her. Our convo about you was more about catching me up with her case on you.
I'm logged into this account for a bit, but I am going to have to go back to my near-nightfall game pretty soon. I'll check to see if you have something else for me when I'm back on this account.
btw I'm not a he.
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he didn't keep emphasizing it and ftr that was probably majiffy's subtle little way of trolling me he does that a lot.In post 3074, Bacde wrote:
hmmIn post 3067, Thor665 wrote:The relevant points are as follows;
Thor calls Mollie out on being scummy.
She complains that I'm misrepping her by changing the order of how she did things (I'm not even sure if I did or didn't, to be honest)
I say the order doesn't matter, but explain to me how that's a scumtell.
She says the order does matter.
I ask 'how'?
She says she already answered the question.
I point out that she hasn't.
She tries to act like she has, and keeps dancing around as I try to force her to explain it, even starting up other lies and arguments to prevent having to revist the past.
Sound familiar to...y'know...anything that has happened here today?
Especially with her saying I don't tunnel as town?
Take your time.
This game is so big, so I believe your take on the story, but can you link me to the relevant posts?
this is interesting
Maybe majiffy was coaching mollie in their QT?
he did try to make it seem like he wasn't reading mollie AT ALL, and he kept emphasizing that
also we do not use a qt we discuss everything on gchat same with fery
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you said I was "depressingly town" and you treated me like town for most of the day round and today you have me as your top scum read along with 1 other person there is no progression of your read so you need to explain.In post 3077, Cephrir wrote:
Actually, I didn't. I had Majiffy as scum early, then your posts brought it up to "null, maybe nullscum" and your argument with Thor (mainly the contradiction point) has brought it back down. Looking through my ISO for where I said you were town (because I didn't say it, I just said "mollie's posts are depressingly town" which isn't the same thing), I did notice that I thought Thor wasn't doing so well at the beginning. I suppose it's possible arguing with Thor for this long just isn't possible to do without looking bad. But the story change is pretty bad, so I think I'm just going to apply that to Slandaar.ffull wrote:also why are you scumreading us cephrir? you had us as town yesterday
Obviously I'm not completely sold on this one, that's why I'm still voting Haylen.
In other news 3072 does sound kind of like BS.
did you read my big long post to thor about why his case on us is bs? you probably should-
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lolIn post 3081, Thor665 wrote:Awesome!
...just don't tell Majiffy, he may or may not have a beard bigger than mine...
you always make me laugh. I swear you are the biggest troll on ms but you are so subtle about it no one knows you are doing it.
you are a zen troll.
lets get sweaty
except that isn't what I am doing that is what you are doing as well as twisting my wordsDid he now?
Here's a quote from me in that game "defending" you...
except that he was accusing me of doing the same thing that you are.In [http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4532995#p4532995]post1140[/url], Thor The Bearded gawd of Sexiness wrote:Congrats, you proved she doesn't have flawless logic in her scumtells (shock - she plays emotionally) and have also proved that she can be flustered.
I would submit she does that less as scum - go check out this game: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/9GN4yrhCaUvR
Note that I catch her with bad logic...and she REFUSES TO DISCUSS IT. (relevant stuff is around halfway through Day 1 if you track down the Day 1 archive audio, or you can listen to Day 2 where I'm discussing it with her)
That's rather different than what she did here, innit?
Wonder why...
except you didn't say anything of the like! you subbed in for me as a favour and knew what my alignment was cos we had the same role pm. quit being obtuse thor. and I didn't strengthen anything except your scummy little meta case on me which falls apart when confronted by truth.Oh...wait...look at that...I clearly *didn't* think you were acting like you did in Audio Mafia.
And yet...here I am...saying that you ARE acting like you did in Audio Mafia.
YOU GOT ME IN A LIE!...oh...wait...wait, no, it's that other thing, the thing where you actually just strengthened my position.
you are saying I dodged...when I don't believe I dodged. the post you pointed to were a couple of questions interspersed with a bunch of rhetoric where you were not interested in sorting out our alignment. I answered your questions and now you are trying to push thisnewnarrative cos your original argument doesn't really have weight despite the window dressing.
TAKE THAT!
so you are acknowledging that you cannot read me based on meta? thanks buddy!Hurm, ad let's look at this one - Oh, look, I raised the issue of you dodging...BEFORE I WAS RECRUITED BY CULT.
that I also did in cult game. I don't think I am dodging and I didn't think I was in the cult game either mebbe you just have a hard time understanding me.Also, I never voted you over it at any point. i discusse dit as bad and silly.
Much like I did in this game - except in this game your dodge was combined with scummy lying.
Like in Audio Mafia.
Making it different.
And vote worthy.
what I am wondering is why you are blatantly ignoring the town meta you have on me in favour of something you should be reading as a null tell.
yes it is and it is not a stretch. all someone has to do is iso me it is right there you should try it some time. oh wait, you would have to be town in order to do that since you would also have to read some posts that you flat out said you were not reading. <----points for scum motivation!!!!1. You 'FOS' really isn't - this is a stretch of reality.
lookit dis2. Well...Majiffy did, yes.
I had a larger pool than majiffy. I went after nacho <---- in a big way, oh hai remember that question I asked you several pages ago
thor meet reality, reality meet thor. apparently you both are strangers.
yes I do. the stickiness of yours looks scummy as hell at this point3. My attack on you is a legit one, with reasoning, so it's, again, a stretch to call it OMGUS. Do you even understand why that tell is scummy? It's not just about attacking someone who attacks you.
yeah a vote that was going nowhere lemme guess your vote on ryu somehow makes you more town.4. This is provably false. We even just got done discussing my Ref Ryu votes, much less the rest.
you did nothing to push that case.
5. This is true, what did you do during those pages I should look at?In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4998496#p4998496]post 2955[/url], Thor665 wrote: As to what page it started on...I'm pretty sure you could go use Ctrl+F and the ISO feature as well as I could.6. This is also true. Except you should add 'with Mollie, as usual, twisting reality - and then claiming someone else is twisting reality.' Like we've been doing.
also when I say "okay" it doesn't mean I am agreeing with you it means okay that is where you stand I disagree but w/e.
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except I didn'tIn post 3091, Thor665 wrote:She lies about things she's done to avoid explaining them and fakes emotional breakdowns as town?
Links to any examples?lieabout anything and I am not having a breakdown lol. nor did I have a fake breakdown in audio,YOUwere the one that had a breakdown with your sputtering and aTeing all over the place. it wasn't quite a meltdown but it was damn close.-
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no, I did explain it.In post 3092, Thor665 wrote:
Did she explain my hypocrisy to you?In post 3088, ffullisade wrote:I haven't really discussed your case on mollie with her. Our convo about you was more about catching me up with her case on you.
She hasn't done that yet either. She said I did it, then basically refused to explain how, where, or why.
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how do you know ryu is a she I thaought it was a guy aren't supposed to assume everyone on the interwebz is a guy or somethingIn post 3154, ArcAngel9 wrote:
No mention of RR? Are you kidding, RR is the first person I have voted after my catch up. I said she is SCUM, please ISO me again and tell if you don't find it. I was so sure on RR and she completely ignored my accusations. Infact I supported khan's read on RR to lynch RedRyu yesterday...In post 2916, Cephrir wrote:AA9: Big long readpost with no mention of RR into vote RR seems weirder now but she's still town.
The worst part of this game is Bcade who don't stop posting fluff.... and i am not suprised not everone reading everyone's post here.
also bc is not even remotely fluffposting
khan don't get your granny panties in a twist. gut tells me your town I am just trying to solidify the read through interaction
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omg majiffy did not "reign me in" except with thor and that has more to do with his relationship with thor. you are doing a serious misrep here cos I posted a helluva lot more than majiffy. you would have to be an imbecile to not be town reading me right now
in other news nacho is not getting as close to me as I would like and I agree with bc in that if you can spot town nacho early and strong he is town but he isn't so
but then I start to waffle again-
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not wrt wc. scum love "useless town" lynchesIn post 3156, thezmon221 wrote:Firstly, my post has nothing to do with what you said in the first statement. Try again.
Secondly... umm... yeah. useless town and scum can be rather synonymous to one another.
wat is this I MEAN WHAT IS THIS1. Nacho didn't even really tunnel him after the fiasco at the beginning of the day. And sure you can make it seem worse now after you've seen the flip. Otherwise it's a poor point.
town moves in herds. nacho is very good at finding the herd2. Just because you don't agree quite as much with his reads doesn't necessarily make them bad. However, I do know that I didn't like a lot of his reads.
^smoke and mirrors3. But he did believe in the reads that he did push. Did you read his posts or submit to confirmation bias?
^smells like scum desperation4. Go ahead and make that point. That's only speculation. The fact that I don't think he's scum, however, can't even prove that we are "obviously scumbuddies" without a flip.
meta is a beautiful thing. my case on nacho isn't about pattern matching at all it is knowing how he thinks and his basic approach to mafia.When did I ever object that I didn't like those two points? I don't think you see the picture here. I said you had two good points, yes, but you have to look at the big picture. When your case is riddled with as much meta as yours was, it lacks that credibility in my eyes. I didn't vote for him because I read your meta read, and then I read his posts, and confirmed he was town. Notice when I voted OS, I supplied what another had as a summation of a case against him which had at least 5 pretty solid points.
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So you think bacde's change in stance is about *who* flipped blue, not that a blue flipped?In post 3236, Slandaar wrote:No.
RR looked scummy to me from really early - how he handled his pre-rsv/rsv reaction test. It would be odd if the red team didn't have him down as a potential opposite number on day 1.
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The various "what they might do"'s are pretty much all wifom. But it comes down to grabbing some towncred early, or not confirming multiball as long as possible.In post 3242, Slandaar wrote:
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True. He looked obvious to me when I read the first 15 or so pages of the game during the night phase. Since then, I've mostly focused on isos and picking B&B's game.
I think that *I* would have had him down as scum on day 1, though. And I have this bias that what I think is obvious is actually obvious. And I should know better, given prior games. :/
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Re the claim, I'm skeptical. Doies it make sense that universal backup would apply to a relatively weak or limited role?
Moliie agrees about Desp.In post 3218, Nachomamma8 wrote:it's slowly coming together
he won't be able to resist me forever, and i'm working on what the hell thor is doing, and he's treating me sort of weird so far.
CTD is inactive, Desp is in...
I've never played with Kublai Khan before, but his no-nonsense approach seems town to me.
@CTD what are your thoughts about these players? slandaar, desp, bacde, nacho, KK? Who are you reading as strongly town atm?
Same question to Desp.
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