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I'm interested in the blue team because some of them have actually flipped. I suck at non-associative tells.
Is that why Seanald? Really, how interesting. First I've heard of it. Or are you latching onto someone else's reason because you were full of shit?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I thought it was generally agreed that finishing blue was our objective today. And personally, I think it's very likely the last blue is between Rena and PA. But since there isn't enough support there, I guess it's a moot point.In post 3824, Desperado wrote:
But it is not in the town's best interest to derail a lynch because solely because they probably aren't bluescum. Which is what Cephrir said.In post 3822, Bulbazak wrote:If we are assuming that this is multiball, then it is in town's best interest to eliminate a NK. Why would you not want to do so? And why would it be more important to eliminate Kitty rather than a NK?
These arguments are disturbingly good. But it would be very easy to mostly confirm Thad via the appearance of a third nightkill, so I think giving him a chance to shoot someone is the best idea. I don't think it's likely he's an SK, unless the mod colored the one scumteam blue just to fuck with us.In post 3827, CrashTextDummie wrote:I'm struggling really hard with ThAd's vig claim.Reallyhard. My most pressing issues with it:
1. Peregrine's whole "love at first sight in the pre-game" spiel. I can only conclude that ThAd or one of his predecessors claimed vig at some point in the neighborhood QT. Why? What did Peregrine/DLG do to earn that kind of trust?
2. ThAd's motivation to out the neighborhood. I thought it was odd to begin with ("I don't think my neighbor is scum, but I'm intrigued by the 1 scum per neighborhood theory, so I'm claiming to add an interesting twist to the game", paraphrased), but by outing himself as a neighbor specifically to fuel a "scum in the neighborhoods" argument, he put himself on a shortlist of potential scum, which seems really counter-intuitive if you're playing a power role.
3. ThAd's play today (and PV's by extension). He didnothingto stop the wagon on himself, barely any scumhunting (none after his wagon started getting steam), barely any defending. Pretty much "lemme know when it's time to claim" all the way through. It feels to me like hewantedto claim. He certainly didn't put any effort into protecting his role today.
4. The revolving door of players in ThAd's slot. This is kind of a meta argument, but it's really odd to me that two players replaced out of a very popular role as claimed. This is a very demanding game so it's possible that they were both just overwhelmed, but vig is about as low maintenance as it gets; just follow along and take your shots, no case-making required to get your suspects dead and an easy out if you get wagoned.
1 and 2 just plain don't make sense from a town point of view, 3 points towards ThAd being an SK with NK-immunity. 4 makes a lot more sense as well if he's SK (SK is always an uphill battle and requires a ton of effort in a game as gargantuan as this).
Bottom line, I don't think ThAd is town. All those propagating a "we should eliminate a NK" angle should take note. Vote stays.
To whoever suggested lynching Thad if he's alive tomorrow: You can do things like that if you don't say them, but once you say them it becomes WIFOM city."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 3886, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Mollie you are being mean to me. I'm not going to talk to when you're accusing me of lurking when I was sleeping.
The fact you're saying I'm going to make empty promises and didn't even give me a freaken chance. Then accuse of me of a relative scum tell which is NOT true.In post 3887, Amethyst Kitty wrote:It's okay Mollie.
You'll learn that this little relative scum tell with >.> is bogus. Just like I had to learn that the relative scum tell I had on Om was no longer valid. Please stop saying I normally do when I write is a scum tell. I used to do it all the time on my other site and its where I picked it up from.
I can skim my only scum game there, but I don't even think I did shifty eyes, tbh.
Like these all sound like frustrated scum to meIn post 3884, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Please walk me trough the Despo town read. I'm just not seeing it.
Dear Mara I hate 1v1. Why would you do this shit? <.<
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I was beginning to think ThAd could be a sneaky SK pretending not to exist for the first couple days, but I actually doubt an SK would play the not-caring card and make little enough effort to appear town that he's generally unlikely to survive to endgame. So I'm leaning towards ruling that out and probably not wanting to lynch him ever if a third kill shows up."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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As much as you are probably town AA it would be nice if you could try a little. I'm now apparently one of your top scumreads because I didn't feel like answering a stupid question. At least pretend to care?
I am a little surprised AK is still going on with this KK garbage, and Desperado's spoiler title pretty much says it all about that "1v1".
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In what universe is this the same thing?In post 3939, Amethyst Kitty wrote: Khan, Red Ryu was killed at night... not lynched the next day... you just admitted to killing him. thanks for that.
If Bacde was independently scummy there would be nothing preventing him from being redscum. He just isn't. And being wrong is not a scumtell in and of itself.In post 3939, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I am not calling you scummy for lynching scum, I'm calling you scummy for attacking the leader of that day's scum lynch
Subtly? That was a pretty blatant attempt to discredit you, and an accurate one at that.In post 3939, Amethyst Kitty wrote:and yes, you did try to subtly discredit us. I mean, what else would the whole "quick, who can tell me who are their reads" thing could be, especially when I'm attacking you.
He literally addressed every one of your points.In post 3939, Amethyst Kitty wrote:You aren't even addressing my points, just throwing them off to the side... again"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Since apparently no one reads my posts. Now every time someone asks me why I suspect Rena and PA I am just going to link this post unless something new comes up. It has been a while since some of these things have been said but I see no reason they should be any less valid.
In post 2956, Cephrir wrote:De ja vous. Here you go, AK.In post 1799, Cephrir wrote:It's hardly just a lurker lynch. Have you read his posts? Mindless bandwagon hops, total uselessness, and even manages to contradict himself despite never saying anything useful. (One post he's not sure what he thinks about me, a couple posts later he votes me with no explanation). I don't actually understand why he's been allowed to get away with making posts of "Vote: x" and nothing else, and if I recall correctly both times were sheeps not of the largest wagon but of the most recent vote above his. How can you sound more like you just want to lynch anyone but you than that?In post 1410, thezmon221 wrote:Alright, so now I'm going to wrap up this post with this:
VOTE: fuzzy
I don't like your overall mentality with the game at this point. You've been really dodgy this game. I don't find any value in any of your posts. Your reads are safer than OS's information was. Gut read? Really. Develop something. Try. Have AP Exams? Cool story bro, so do I. In fact, I have an exam on Thursday. You don't see me dodging the game and making useless third-party comments.
I feel fuzzy's gone unnoticed, and you should all notice him through my post. Cephrir's confrontation with him was a start. Oh, and I want a reads list from him too.In post 2842, Cephrir wrote:In post 144, fuzzybutternut wrote:Tbh: I have a hard time reading Ceph.
It's not that he's not likely as scum. It's that I don't see him as scum.
Ryu, hmm. Now THERE is a likely scum if I ever saw one.
Don't want to vote him just yet though. Ryu, what do you have to say to this?Haven't looked into every possibility yet but for now,
VOTE: HaylenIn post 3446, Cephrir wrote:Buddy analysis, part I: thez posts
Fuzzy isn't in much danger at this point, so entering the game with a vote on him isn't too dangerous if they're buddies. I've been voting him for some time at this point and it's evident that's going nowhere fast. Also, it's not like fuzzy is worth keeping around as a scumbuddy anyway. This scumlist is interesting, and we'll compare it to his final one (after he's clearly getting lynched) later.In post 1410, thezmon221 wrote: MAFIA:
[fuzzybutternut,Oversoul,EddieFenix,Thor665, Om The Destroyer, Baby Spice, Hanzo_5]
Oh, and I felt I should address this:
It's too bad I don't care. Maybe you should try putting something non-fluff yourself instead of calling out other fluff. My post had more content than yours. Your recent posts don't do much justice for you IME either.In post 1371, Hanzo_5 wrote:@Thezmon
Your reasonless list is nothing but filler. To paraphrase you, you said "Hey im here and im doing stuff, Im not done yet so it looks like im not doing anything".
Im bringing this to light because I see it as fluff and everyone else should too.
I dont know why your fluffy. But I dont care for it. Your life no linger matters to me. Plz fix that.
Alright, so now I'm going to wrap up this post with this:
VOTE: fuzzy
I don't like your overall mentality with the game at this point. You've been really dodgy this game. I don't find any value in any of your posts. Your reads are safer than OS's information was. Gut read? Really. Develop something. Try. Have AP Exams? Cool story bro, so do I. In fact, I have an exam on Thursday. You don't see me dodging the game and making useless third-party comments.
I feel fuzzy's gone unnoticed, and you should all notice him through my post. Cephrir's confrontation with him was a start. Oh, and I want a reads list from him too.
He claims the RR wagon isn't a bus... would he do that if he knew it was? I don't know. Though this was a misunderstanding, it's worth noting nonetheless.In post 1435, thezmon221 wrote: PEDIT:
Who is bussing Nacho? If you're saying that the RR wagon is a bus, then we have greatly differing definitions.Cephrir wrote:Are you seriously suggesting this is a bus of Nacho before Nacho has even flipped? Not to mention that anyone would ever bus this hard? =/
The Nacho wagon does have a lot of townreads on it, and the RR wagon really has the opposite. That's the most important point in its favor for me, but I'm still not convinced. What I am convinced of is that most of the voters on that wagon believe what they're saying, and maybe that should be enough reason for me to get on it as an admittedly bad scumhunter, but it still isn't. That's just not how I vote.
Stand-in for a bunch of posts like this one. thez does a lot of soft-chainsawing of Nacho, like a *lot*. I think this is white-knighting, as the connections between them are too damn easy to draw. But the opposite isn't entirely out of the question.In post 1611, thezmon221 wrote:
One-two viable points and an ass load of meta is not good enough for me. I don't need a "little bit" more, I need a decent amount more.In post 1602, CrashTextDummie wrote:Thezmon also rubs me the wrong way. He's all "your points are good, but I need justa little bitmore to get me to vote him". It feels forced. He hasn't expressed a town read on Nacho, so I don't see why the existing arguments shouldn't be enough to turn him into a scumread. Nor why he's not rereading Nacho himself to figure out if he's a good lynch. Right now it looks like he's just hedging his bets, hesitant to join the major wagon in the game. I did have a scum read on his predecessor which probably makes me biased when it comes to reading his posts, but this looks plainly scummy to me.
Sure, I haven't expressed Nacho as a town read, but he isn't necessarily a scum read either. I like my vote where it is right now, and nobody's been able to provide a solid case for me. Bacde has just sputtered out a point periodically among the "VOTE NACHO VOTE NACHO HE'S NOT TOWN HE'S SCUM META META META" crap.
Now, *this* is how you don't vote for a scumbuddy.In post 2231, thezmon221 wrote:
Have you shown why you think Nero is scum? If so, could you redirect me? If not, could you tell me? It seems like a novel, and maybe slightly random, read.In post 2181, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:But a Nero lynch is better. C'mon Nacho.
You know, I was about to really be on board with the Baby Spice lynch. Her post #2197 was truly terrible, as pointed out by Syry. Like, I had written out my vote as well as my reasons for the vote, only to then see her rage-replace vote. However, the frustration she inhibited and her replace out makes me want to wait for penguin to post some stuff for us since we still have a bit under a week.
My analysis of RR was pretty surface, but it's interesting nonetheless that his scumbuddy tried to dismiss it and make the idea that my analysis sucked more of a town-wide opinion rather than just CTD's. Perhaps I was onto something after all?In post 2931, thezmon221 wrote:
Exactly what I thought. It sounds like an easy attempt by Cephrir to get some cheap towncred for something that is actually not very beneficial and shows very little ACTUAL depth of analysis.CrashTextDummie wrote:You were a scumread yesterday.Your Red Ryu interaction analysis feels extremely surface to me(for example, you have thezmon as null when his one interaction with Ryu, an opportunistic vote on him by Mac, pretty clearly indicates they're not scum together) so I went looking for mentions of Red Ryu in your ISO and you look like a good bet for being his buddy yourself. You started out wavering on him and having him as null, then moved him to "officially scummy" when he started emerging as a counterwagon to Nacho's without contributing your vote (you were sitting alone on B&tB pretty much for the duration). You then gradually shifted him back down your list of suspects (he was a "question mark" among players on Nacho's wagon) for no discernible reason other than he wasn't posting much. In hindsight, you singling him out for "mindless Nacho pushing" bugs even more, because his attack against Nacho was more confusing than anything else in my opinion and only really obvious as a scum play to his scumbuddies.
Bacde just shot up in scumminess with me. His recent push on Nacho is so terrible. Not really sure what the point of him claiming vig is to me. It sounds like a panic and perhaps a cover-up for a tracker seeing him kill someone. It also sounds like another terrible way to frame Nacho in a bad light. Like, seriously. Even if he really is a vigilante, why is he mad at Nacho for the roleblock?
I've already pointed this out but I may as well point it out again. If you make this slip-up and Haylen isn't your scumbuddy you probably don't care enough to correct it.In post 2939, thezmon221 wrote:
Oops, that's what it should say.In post 2938, thezmon221 wrote:
True, I forgot about that. However Haylen'sCephrir wrote:@thez: Do you really think bluescum would bus today? they lost one already and it's multiball.death and flip as bluescumwouldn't clear you as town, mind you.
Oh? Are they?In post 2965, thezmon221 wrote:
Reminds me:Kublai Khan wrote:Just to understand. There are three neighborhoods?
CrashTextDummie - Slandaar
ThAdmiral - ???
Desperado - ???
What do people (not just KK, but KK can answer too) are the chances that at least one, if not two, of the neighborhoods are town-scum neighborhoods? I personally would say the chances are pretty good.
Who uses this phrasing if they are a member of Nacho's party?thez wrote:
He claimed to be RBed by Nacho's party.And Bacde is claiming vig with no kill on the board? I smell bullshit on that one.
At this point thez is pretty clearly going down. penguin_alien has disappeared compared to the original scumlist for no discernible reason. Desp, AK and myself have appeared on it, also for little discernible reason.In post 3247, thezmon221 wrote: SCUM:
Haylen
ThAdmiral
Om the Destroyer
Desperado
Cephrir
Amethyst Kitty
And now to comb through everyone else's posts.
But I'm not completely closed to considering other possible bluescum connections if they're actually persuasive. I recognize that I can be wrong seeing as I usually am. But this also means that I'm more open to hunting redscum (which, again, I didn't really want to bend my personal efforts to yet because I'm more confident in my ability to scumhunt by association, even though I have never actually caught scum either way) as long as these two are alive and unlynched, since there doesn't seem to be anything I can do about it.In post 3739, Cephrir wrote:Buddy analysis, part deux
Again I'll be ignoring my overall town/scumreads to what extent I can.
CTD- Light suspicion of thezmon early D1 and (lol) said he was "clearly not scum with RR". No conclusion.
Nacho- has thez as 'strong town' early on, later votes him. Could be blue.
PV- nothing
Nero- not much interaction, but among the earliest thez voters. With RR dead, I don't think there's any chance blue would have voted him until his death became inevitable. So I'm giving Nero a free pass.
Bacde- ahahahaha no
Bulb- not much interaction
Desp- big argument with thez + myself about essentially nothing. I don't think thez would have gone this far attacking his scumbuddy.
PA- defended thez after his claim; end of 3279 sounds potentially like someone who helped thez craft his claim (doesn't see the glaring issues with it, possibly wasn't paying attention when thez botched it). Likely partner, because if you're PA, who is widely suspected and grade A useless, if you're scum with only thez, your only play is to try to save him.
Sland- Light scumread on thez eventually, suggests lynching him long before anyone else does, which I would think was possibly safe bussing except he then presents a somewhat compelling if brief argument. Good point wrt those who were on the wagon and got off, I'll keep that in mind.
Sean- nothing, shocker
ThAd- Maybe-fake rage about thez's continued survival (this is after his death is inevitable). Also that one Hanzo post. Analysis today based on the premise that scum must have bussed thezmon is kind of bluey.
Rena- fuzzy and thez has a small but pissy argument about his activity level (frustrated scumbuddy?). Rena asked someone why they were voting thez at one point and then never mentioned him again.
KK- initially hesitant about Bacde's case but ultimately becomes an early voter.
AK- has thez listed as town, but doesn't know why. Not sure I see the scum motivation is jumping on thez then immediately jumping off because they apparently needed to ask me a question.
ffull- effectively an early voter
Om- Defended thez after claim with suggestion that he should live for now. Don't like it.
AA9- suspected thez early; his explosive reaction = not scumbuddies.
Likely thezmon buddies
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Considering thezmon's posts and both of my blue lists, I conclude that the most likely blue scum are Rena, Penguin, Om, ThAd and Slandaar.
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I'm perfectly aware that Rena is not getting lynched today. She could be redscum, too, but my case is mostly associative.
I guess it's possible that we're just dealing with an SK and Mastin is trolling us, but I doubt it. And the SK theory is probably assuming ThAd is said SK, and he just isn't."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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If Thad is an SK he isn't a good one. The theory is to balance your posts somewhere between lynchable and nightkillable, but Thad just hasn't made any effort to be townie enough. I could see maybe a deliberate lurking strategy, but his "I don't give a fuck" responses and his insistence that he's going to kill CTD are just not SK material.
I suppose I might be tunneling at this point. I'll try to drop that for the time being.
I like the Seanald wagon. I'm tired of him doing nothing but hopping between myself and the biggest wagon. And I know I can hardly be objective in the matter but his suspicion of me as well as dat vote on AK were pretty terrible. AK are looking a bit better since they stopped flailing so hard anyway, and besides I have three solid townreads on this wagon.
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I think that could be something scum might do to look town (unafraid of looking anti-town) but I have trouble imagining town caring little enough to vote for such a dumb reason when they are supposedly actually suspicious of someone else. Plus, why does Seanald care if someone is annoying when he barely seems to be reading the thread?
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The primary difference is that, given ThAd's claim, I don't believe he can possibly be mafia. This attitude can work for mafia but it does not work for an SK, as said SK needs to be one of the last two players alive, and a player would never think he'd be able to do that while playing like Thad has been. If it helps, I would rule Seanald out as an SK as well for the same reasons.CTD wrote:Cephrir's argument for keeping ThAdmiral alive is terrible. He's giving him a pass for not giving a shit, when such an attitude is strictly alignment neutral. It's bad play if he's town (in that he makes no effort to help his faction), but can work as a strategy if he's scum, as evidenced by Cephrir's argument. And then on the same page, he offers up this insight into Seanald's play:
So ThAd can't be SK because he's unafraid of looking anti-town and not giving a shit, but Seanald can be scum because he's doing it to look town and would be giving a shit if he was town. He's essentially making the same argument for both players, but reaching completely opposite conclusion.Cephrir wrote:I think that could be something scum might do to look town (unafraid of looking anti-town) but I have trouble imagining town caring little enough to vote for such a dumb reason when they are supposedly actually suspicious of someone else. Plus, why does Seanald care if someone is annoying when he barely seems to be reading the thread?
The first time he said it I didn't take it seriously, but yeah, I should address this now that it's clear he is serious.CTD wrote:Meanwhile, Cephrir hasn't said a peep about the fact that ThAd is planning to shoot one of his strong town-reads. If he was town, I would expect him to at least acknowledge this in his rampant white-knighting of ThAd.
@Thad:Are you able to not shoot CTD tonight if that's the condition for you not being lynched today? If it comes down to it, running Thad up until he agrees to this would probably be worth it. Everyone else, don't end the day until this has been discussed."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Do you want to win, or don't you, Thad? Are you actually going to be so egotistical that you're going with your own self-admittedly weak read when literally everyone disagrees with you? Should I lynch you just for asking that question?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Yep she's pretty much blatantly scumIn post 4127, Slandaar wrote:Lets just lynch Rena...
Rena is obviously scum 'IMMA PR YOU GUIZ LOOK I HAZ BREADCRUMBS I NO DO ANYTHING ELSE THO LOLOLOLOL'. I mean wow, 'ohhhhhh we can't lynch claimed PR gotta test da claim!' no you don't shes scum you just lynch her.
Who actually believes town has all the power claimed so far plus whatever is left? Of course noone does; Rena is scum.
Why isn't Sean 'too easy?'In post 4084, Rena wrote:I'm not feeling an AK scum.It seems too easy.
I could easily see Seanald as scum ie lurking through most of the days to the extent I forget he's actually playing this game, coming in to bandwagon that sort of thing.
Scum has been found.
VOTE: Rena
Regardless of whether he is actually a vig Thad is obviously trolling us at this point... maybe he was only claiming vig to live another day, is scum, and knows he's dying tomorrow when no kill shows up... but that still isn't a reason to lynch him. I don't know what we should do if he won't quit trolling, like, I've never been in a situation like this before and I just don't know how to respond to it."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Why are you complaining about us not paying attention to the neighbors when we are literally paying attention to the neighbors at this exact moment? Just another 'here's someone else to look at!' I guess. I'm not sure how you look at that group of 6 players and come up with PV as the one you don't have any issues with..."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I had no way of knowing this. Why are you being needlessly hostile?In post 4220, Nero Cain wrote:I'm typing it now. Why are you rushing me?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I haven't. I've never seen a claimed vig say, "Nope fuck you imma do whatever I want". Find a completed game of mine where this happens. You can't. If I didn't believe he was town I'd lynch him for it, but now it's a question of, 'is it worth lynching town to save a useful, stronger town?' and I'm not sure it is because we could potentially lynch scum today. I guess we could have protective roles go on CTD or something, or at least WIFOM that possibility, just so he'll pick a different target. [/directingPRs]In post 4312, ffullisade wrote: let's look at cephrir. does anybody seriously believe that cephrir has no idea what to do with thad's "trolling". omg, no. I mean that is what cephrir is saying, "I have no idea what to do about thad's trolling cos I have just never encountered it before!". oh plz.
Honestly, I think this is a skill that I don't have. When Desp was flailing, I thought the flail was scummy. The difference between him and AK for me at this point is that the body of Desp's posts outside of said flail is good (day 2 & 3, at least), whereas AK's other posts are basically useless and aren't really scumhunting (KK doesn't count because that case and vote have got to be the most useless thing I have ever seen).In post 4312, ffullisade wrote:cephrir, how do you feel about discerning the difference between town flail and scum flail? I thought we had a nice exchange around that but it seems to be lost...
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Fair, but I actually found the rest of it somewhat convincing, or at the very least genuine from AK. Anything to say about that?In post 4427, Kublai Khan wrote:Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Please don't be intentionally obtuse it isn't cuteIn post 4429, Kublai Khan wrote:
A relative tell of what?In post 4428, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
No, I'm using it as a relative tell.In post 4427, Kublai Khan wrote:Is Amethyst Kitty using humor as a town-tell? Seriously?
Nice misrep though
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It's hard for me to disregard CTD's rather solid case for a little meta done by someone else. With a few of my townreads moving off that wagon I don't feel as obligated to sheep anymore, but I've become more convinced in the meantime. That said, I'll hop over and support the lynch I think has a better chance of going through today.
Unvote, Vote: Seanald
PV is hardly a shining beacon of towniness but I don't think he's the right lynch today. First of all, if he was scum neighbored to a claimed vig, do we think he would leave that vig alive? Maybe, if said vig's suspicions were incorrect. Second, outguessing the mod a bit, do we think a vig would be neighbored to scum? Okay, again, maybe. But I think what I'm trying to say here is that I want to find out whether ThAd is a vig first and I also think the relationship between the two of them, if PV is in fact scum, could prove to be a wealth of information and I'm in favor of continuing to let that information flow."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I would lynch Rena over anyone else in a heartbeatIn post 4499, ffullisade wrote:tbh I wanna lynch rena. especially with that last post.
I don't give a shit if she is a claimed watcher cos it is kind of obvious she isn't even reading the game if she is asking who has claimed so far. <----- I mean if you are a watcher shouldn't you be paying attention so you know who to watch?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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This post is both town and a slam dunkIn post 4514, ArcAngel9 wrote:In post 878, Seanald wrote:I think arcangel is a strong town read for me right now, this is based mainly on Meta and it's relation to this game.
I have a soft spot for Oversoul cuz of 90's mafia so my heart says town but my mind is still leary.
Om is null to me, ive seen him do that stupid shit before and it hasn't really been alignment indicative to me.
What rubbish!!!!!In post 3324, Seanald wrote:
Still awarded no town points, and I find it's more likely scum who says these types of things in some hope to gain easy town points somehow.In post 3317, ArcAngel9 wrote:Which is exactly that I said about Oversould and nobody believed me. I said Red Ryu is scum which was pretty much ignored by everyone.
And who are you calling Horribad?? Get a life you punk!!! Huh!!
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So your'e saying that others are giving lame reasons to jump in your while you have done the same.
You intially called me "town" for meta reasons and after that you have hardly said/asked me anything in the game and you started accusing me and calling me scum....
Morever, you were open to sheep someone and now you're complaining others sheeping despo??? Are you kidding me seanald?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 4569, Desperado wrote:
Please don't forget, I'd love to hear it.In post 4568, Slandaar wrote:Don't feel like explaining it right now though."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I've been townreading him since early and have seen little reason to change my mind. You both feel each of you is misrepresenting the other. You're both tunneling. I stopped reading your bickering several pages ago, but I didn't see that either of you was light years ahead when I was reading it.In post 4577, Nero Cain wrote:Why is Bulb town?
Also, you and Seanald, both of whom I believe are scum, are voting him. That's rather compelling."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Every opinion in Rena 1571 is exactly the majority town opinion; she's a little paranoid about the townreads that there are 1 or 2 people suspicious of; is paranoid of CTD and calls him town in the same post; doesn't want to direct the vig and is a little paranoid of CTD thereby encouraging ThAd to shoot CTD; we should wagon Desp despite him being a townread for a stupid reason (and btw it turns out most people react to pressure, not that I wasn't scumreading Desp back in the day but still); pointing out Slandaar's 'contradiction' is useless since this is multiball anyway so it can't possibly be a slip; insinuation that ThAd is only a *claimed* vig; and why the hell do you think "the scum team" is particularly powerful? (Air quotes because there are two scum teams, unless I suppose you're on one of them)"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Really? They're scumbuddies because they aren't bussing each other? I'm sure there are a variety of pairs in this game who aren't attacking one another and, newsflash, they aren't all scum.Slandaar wrote:Then PV comes in and voted Oversoul D1 out of the blue over Desp; PV who doesn't like to bus."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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