Did you even read the question that penguin asked me?In post 4242, Nero Cain wrote:So you think Sean is scum but you join his counterwagon? Gotta love that chain lynching.In post 4231, Desperado wrote:Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say
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I don't understand why this is addressed to me. Can you fill me in?In post 4234, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Desp. Slandaaar had given several scum-reads for no reason, so has Nero, and Thad has some really strange scum reads and last I recall, Thad hasn't even voted for a single scum read
Yeah your vote is justand yes, she isn't allowed to take our vote off Khan. I'm not fond of any of the leading wagons so far, and the other wagons that I might consider joining aren't yet formed so our vote there wouldn't mean shit.full of meaningall by itself on Khan.
This is a complete misread of the situation. So not only is Mala misunderstanding my point, but you're now misunderstanding Mala's misunderstanding.as for the policy lynching Seanald for Info, I don't agree with her on that respect. I don't want to push a wagon on the sole purpose of policy when I have something much better right here in front of me regardless of the information that we may or may not gain from it.
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Putting aside the single mindedness here, are you saying there's no way you are both scum?In post 4245, Nero Cain wrote:
I did, which has shit all to do with voting a counter wagon.In post 4242, Desperado wrote:
Did you even read the question that penguin asked me?In post 4242, Nero Cain wrote:
So you think Sean is scum but you join his counterwagon? Gotta love that chain lynching.In post 4231, Desperado wrote:Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say
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"It" has a name. You never dehumanized anyone in WWE even though they were being far, far stupider.In post 4253, Nero Cain wrote:If its town why is it lying and putting words into my mouth? IDK, I'm waffling hard but there's other scum to take care of like Bulb and Bacde and maybe Cephir and Despo.
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The slot doesn't type up words that you read, so when you say something like "why is it lying and putting words in my mouth" it's creepy and disrespectful.In post 4256, Nero Cain wrote:holy loaded question batman. How on earth would I know his alignment?
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So Nacho is officially town for you now?In post 4259, Nero Cain wrote:Whiteknight Nacho more, scum.-
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Why are you telling her not to worry when I wasn't even talking to her when I said that?In post 4271, ArcAngel9 wrote:^ don't worry sweets, Despo is a retard!!!!
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He already said because those are the 5 that are still alive and were on the Ryu wagon early.
Peregrine, I still don't understand how ActionDan and DLG had such a conversation pre-game that was so convincing that Thad is now so town that you're coloring him in as Green. He's the only person (other than yourself) who isn't dead to get that distinction.
Can you talk about this some more?
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You don't understand how I might be wary of a wagon that I started and got to L-2 without my five strongest townreads?In post 4314, Nero Cain wrote:
If it was, it wasn't intentional however, I do not believe this is a misrepresentation at all. I don't understand his point. It sounded to me like he believed that Sean ACTIONS were scummy, so if that's what he believes then why does he care if his town reads are not on said wagon. He could be wrong about those reads, those town reads could be wrong about Sean. I don't see how he gets "oh noes!!! town reads ain't joining the wagon so Sean might not be scum." I guess Desp needs to explain this to me kiddie style.In post 4313, ThAdmiral wrote:
You are complaining about nacho misrepping you, but I think you are doing the same to desperado here. He had moved off the sean wagon well before he voted you, saying that he was unsure about it since none of his townreads had gotten on (4106). He then voted and unvoted ak before voting you later.In post 4240, Nero Cain wrote:
So you think Sean is scum but you join his counterwagon? Gotta love that chain lynching.In post 4231, Desperado wrote:Looks to me like caught scum who doesn't know what to say
In fact desp has actually been looking good to me lately, I might have been wrong about him.
I thought desp looked good in the early game but lately he kinda stinks.
That wouldn't give you pause? What do you think I meant when I said that "I'm not sure what this means yet?" Your mini diatribe here seems to imply that I just got scared that Nacho and Mollie didn't vote with me and that I'm just cowering on to a different wagon when my behavior tells a very different story.-
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What about that was defensive? I did explain it. In real time, as it was happening. And then I quoted the same posts again later.In post 4321, Nero Cain wrote:no, not really. Which is why I asked you to explain it but instead you are defensive. Why?
Unless you specifically think that there are certain players on the wagon that are scum then I don't think it matters that your town reads aren't voting with you.
But I am correct in that you think Sean is scummy?
And yet here you are, asking me to explain it again and then trying to get one over on me because I was "defensive" instead of answering your question (that had already been answered).
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I don't understand your first two paragraphs. AD never shot because he got replaced by Hanzo D1, who later got replaced by Thad D1. Thad is the only person in the slot who has had an opportunity to use a vig shot, and according to him, he hasn't shot both nights. Even though both of you had replaced in on D1 and had a full day of game presence for N2.In post 4329, PeregrineV wrote:
Sure.In post 4294, Desperado wrote:Peregrine, I still don't understand how ActionDan and DLG had such a conversation pre-game that was so convincing that Thad is now so town that you're coloring him in as Green. He's the only person (other than yourself) who isn't dead to get that distinction.
Can you talk about this some more?
In the QT, after ActionDan determined DLG was town, ActionDan claimed the vig. Scum-AD would obviously be found out when his kill failed to go through. But, for whatever reason (activity most likely), AD never shot.
Good and well. I would have recommended a target but I didn't feel comfortable enough with the game having just replaced in, so just used it for game notes.
ThAd replaced in and revealed previously hidden information that scum would have no reason to do. Plus, he still has the vig shot that confirms he's the vig. So, taken all together, even though I'm not very good at mafia, I concluded that ThAd is very likely town, almost to the 99% chance.
So I get that he didn't shoot N1, whatever. But why not N2?
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Is it something about the way he's reacted to the wagon? Because I just got done playing with townNero in WWE and this looks totally different, but he was also a universal townread for a majority of the game so that kind of colors the meta.In post 4333, ffullisade wrote:UNVOTE: nero
he is painfully reminding me of the gears game where he was mislynched by town.
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okay fair enough. thad isn't retarded though. I don't think (hope) that he would just shoot willy nilly without thought or taking direction from his town reads. he knows he will be lynched otherwise so yeah he is trolling but if it bothers you just ignore it. personally I don't think he is but then I have a very high tolerance for trolling, being a massive one myself.
I do like his interactions with Bulb though, and have followed his line of logic consistently going back to when it started. Bulb tried to go after me for "deflecting" in the same manner as Nero "deflected" when Nacho and I were going at it, and it was bullshit then just as it is now.-
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It's easy to believe in something when 90% of what you say comes from a book.In post 4352, Bacde wrote:What parts of bulb are you looking at to inform your read of him? I don't even know what I should be looking at when I read his posts
its like, I disagree with everything he's saying but he really looks like he believes it-
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More the latter than the former, because I really don't think the WWE game is a good indicator of your townplay...you were basically universally town by what, halfway through D1? and it never changed. I've never seen what you look like as town when you aren't comfortable with your state in the game, which would justify some of the things I found scummy about your reaction to the Nacho case.In post 4360, Nero Cain wrote:Despo, are you voting me 'cause you think that I'm playing different then WWE + you agree with the Nacho case?
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The implication was the opposite actually, but I agree that his playing differently as an SK isn't necessarily indicative of him being town.In post 4369, ffullisade wrote:If you are asking me if I'm reading him as scum in this game, the answer is no, though I'll feel pretty cautious about him in any game until I have a baseline on his town game.
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In post 4199, Nero Cain wrote:.........................................................................................
WORST TOWN EVER!!!!
I'm being voted for a bunch of fucking nothingness. Jesus Christ.In post 4203, Nero Cain wrote:
at least one of these are scum.In post 4175, AngryPidgeon wrote:Nero Cain - 5 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie,Desperado, Bacde, Ffullisade)
When I flip town you guys should lynch the shit out the middle of my wagon.
Which I did mention at the time, here:In post 4207, Nero Cain wrote:I know it looks OMGUSy but in that WWE game I was town reading the shit out of Despo but he's actually playing pretty pro-town this game, so idk, maybe he is scum. Nevertheless, both his and Ffulls votes were extremely opportunistic.
In post 4204, Desperado wrote:Since when is 3-5 on a 10 person wagon "the middle?"
Upon which you stopped flailing like a wuss and actually started engaging your wagon, made some good points against Nacho and bulb, and now we're here, with "here" being the point where I'm deciding where to place my vote next.In post 4205, Desperado wrote:And that is like, the newbiest reaction.
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I reread my seanald case and it's really good.
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Vote: Seanald
I will absolutely not vote for Nacho, CTD, Arc, Khan, bacde, or ffullisade today.
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My god.In post 4373, Nero Cain wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25658
here is a mafia Bulb game you guys can read. BBL
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He's in my head. No, seriously:BBMolla wrote:You're probably right sadly.
And then I flip town, and Bulbazak convinces themselves that I played scummy and it's not their fault, and they keep scumhunting in their flawed ways.
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After reading that game it's going to take something really, really drastic for me to ever read Bulb as town again.In post 2289, Desperado wrote:I bet you're wrong a lot, aren't you? Not everyone is an automaton...players are guaranteed to make mistakes as either alignment, get caught in your web of neverending quote boxes and buzzwords, and eventually just give up under the sheer weight of it all. But your conscience is clean because you went by the book.-
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Yeah Nero is town. And that was Arc's town game through and through, how did they not see that?In post 4382, pirate mollie wrote:
then look at this game:In post 4364, Desperado wrote:
More the latter than the former, because I really don't think the WWE game is a good indicator of your townplay...you were basically universally town by what, halfway through D1? and it never changed. I've never seen what you look like as town when you aren't comfortable with your state in the game, which would justify some of the things I found scummy about your reaction to the Nacho case.In post 4360, Nero Cain wrote:Despo, are you voting me 'cause you think that I'm playing different then WWE + you agree with the Nacho case?
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fery, I have to see this game where Bulb dominated as SK. Link/name please?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=26483
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Not sure what you're talking about. Clarify?In post 4386, ffullisade wrote:so what in that game do you see different in this one?-
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I'd ask you the same question about Seanald. The only time you've mentioned him has been to say that his wagon is a least common denominator lynch, which is frankly insulting to me.In post 4410, CrashTextDummie wrote:HD, why are you not the least bit interested in lynching Nero-scum?
I assume by "least common denominator" you mean it's the least controversial lynch, but I would argue that there's no backlash because the case is good and he's done nothing to defend himself from it (other than tell me that it's good and that he wishes we could use our QT to work together, which doesn't fly when a) we haven't been doing that to begin with and b) what he has said he would do in that QT, he has not followed through with).
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I'm spooking you because we don't agree on one person?In post 4413, CrashTextDummie wrote:Desperado, you are spooking me a great fucking deal. It's like we've entered bizzarro land.
You vote Nero Cain, and all it takes for you to move on is him showing up to defend himself ("stop flailing like a wuss", as you so nicely put it). It's enough for you to move him into the "likely won't lynch" pile even. I'm beginning to question why you voted him in the first place, he certainly hasn't defended well against the most pressing issues at hand. And now you've started defending him with arguments that are just astonishingly bad to me:
1. This is a normal game. Giving the scum team a color distinction when there's not actually a second scum team to match it is tantamount to bastard moddery. It's at the very least mod trickery, which is already against the spirit of normal games, and I'd be severely pissed off with Mastin and whomever greenlit the game if that was the case. In addition, we have had two kills a night and a third killing party claimed in ThAd. There is every reason to assume this is a multiball game at this point.
2. Even if it wasn't a multiball game, it doesn't haveanybearing on Nero Cain's scumminess. He said something that directly contradicts his claimed game theory stance, to defend a player of questionable alignment (AK, who you read as scum). He claimed having this game theory stance to defend averyquestionable line of reasoning he used to help lynch OS-town. There isnot a single thingabout this whole story that adds up to Nero being town and it doesn't make a lick of difference whether he knew this was multiball, thought this was multiball or knew the opposite.
Not only did you do an almost complete U-turn on Nero, you also apparently threw the big issue you had with the Seanald wagon out the window.The vast majority of your strong town reads still don't support a Seanald lynch,while the vast majority of your other scum reads does or did at the height of the wagon. I reread your case against him, and it's still not as strong as you make it out to be. The totality of your valid points doesn't even come close to matching the one huge point against Nero in scumminess, and there are other strong points in favor of Nero scum in addition to that.
Seriously, get a grip.
I helped you and nacho push the nero wagon because the case was good and I was still trying to work him out, which I said here:
Then he started interacting with me and the rest of his wagon and towntold, so I unvoted him and went back to my Seanald case, which you still have not addressed (other than the final line of this post, which is unnecessarily vague).In post 4052, Desperado wrote: Hd and slandaar lean town, penguin leans scum, and I'm still working Nero out. Just finished a game with town Nero that was going concurrently so I will probably lean on that.
@ bolded: this is just inaccurate. Fery said the case "was good on the face" but Seanald "might get mislynched a lot" so she'll have to do research; Nacho didn't address it at all until just now; Khan hasn't addressed the case either, only that he had reservations about the composition of the wagon, but he also scumread Seanald earlier in the game; and Arc is still on the wagon with me.
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Who is this and why not?In post 4462, ffullisade wrote:I'm not comfortable voting him today.-
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In post 4460, Nero Cain wrote:I've melted down? The fuck?In post 4199, Nero Cain wrote:.........................................................................................
WORST TOWN EVER!!!!
I'm being voted for a bunch of fucking nothingness. Jesus Christ.In post 4203, Nero Cain wrote:
at least one of these are scum.In post 4175, AngryPidgeon wrote:Nero Cain - 5 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie,Desperado, Bacde, Ffullisade)
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Good question, I'll get back to youIn post 4481, Nero Cain wrote:I also need Mara and Despo to talk to me about PA's play in WWE. Is this different?
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PA is definitely playing different in this game. In WWE, PA never addressed someone individually unless it was to implicate them as scum.
In contrast, ISO her in this game and you see a lot of interactions initiated by her that never materialize into scum reads. Like this:
In post 2557, penguin_alien wrote:UNVOTE: Oversoul
I'm good waiting to see how his play develops.
Bacde and Red Ryu, what does each of you think is the single top piece of evidence that Nachomamma8 is scum?
Amethyst Kitty, do you think Desperado is scum after the last couple pages?In post 3030, penguin_alien wrote:
My understanding of friendly neighbor is that Syryana would have sent out a message confirming self as town. So presumably that message would only go out to a town read of Syryana's. Why would scum want to keep quiet about effectively being a town read of Syryana's?In post 2962, Kublai Khan wrote:Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.
Cephir's pointing out the fuzzy-Haylen links with Red Ryu tracks to me. I'm good with pressure there.
VOTE: Haylen
CTD, given your presumed interactions with Slandaar, what's your take on his current back-and-forth with Thor665?In post 3636, penguin_alien wrote:
Eh, not a game I'd want to be remembered for. I mean, kudos to IaI and the scum team, but being duped by a fake cop twice and mislynched at Lylo, hardly a shining moment.In post 3619, ffullisade wrote: @penguin
I am sorry I forgot you were in that game too. that was one of points was the aggressive roleclaiming. a watcher claim can be pulled off we saw it gears when messiah claimed on d1. he claimed a one shot though. I agree we probably shouldn't lynch her today but I just want to go on record that I think she is scum. she is exhibiting classic scum behaviour and if I had the confidence I would push for her lynch but I don't, mostly cos I don't know her.
Meta knowledge aside, it seems possible that Rena (hope your brother's OK) showing classic scum behavior might be more a side effect of having a PR and the overlap that can happen there. And I can't find where Messiah claims he's only one-shot. That is a game where the opposing scum faction had a Ninja, like Red Ryu, so another point where Rena could be claiming with a scum PR.
Human Destroyer, why the vote with no comment on the role claim? Your ISO has you saying that fuzzy was useless and shouldn't make it to endgame, but you don't say anything about why Rena was a good lynch, particularly in light of being an un-CC'd PR.
I'm not getting the Nachomamma8 case, even with reading my predecessor's ISO. It seems to be based on the idea that Bacde and Nachomamma8 are bussing each other, but since there's no proof that either is scum, it reads like a circular argument.In post 3857, penguin_alien wrote:Eh, I don't think I buy the vig claim, but I agree with those who say that if it's not dead or proven overnight we know where to lynch.
UNVOTE: ThAdmiral
ffullisade, do your points about the AK hydra members still apply when they're working together? Because while I have yet to play in a hydra, one of the advantages seems to be the ability to rein in each other's bad habits. You said mara was that way in a hydra, but mala wasn't in that hydra, right?In post 4071, penguin_alien wrote:ArcAngel9, which poor reasonings?
None of these have reasonable analogues from WWE. She's been far more proactive this game, and she's making an effort to engage people she (presumably) trusts.In post 4230, penguin_alien wrote:ArcAngel9, what's your reason for having Seanald as your top scum read?
Desperado, given that Seanald hasn't responded to any of the people who think he's scum since he appealed to you, what's your take on him independent of his wagon composition?
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Why is this guy still alive?In post 4509, Seanald wrote:You really shouldn't act so eager arc, cuz you just sound like you dont actually give a shit about who dies just as long as someone dies.-
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Alright. If not Seanald and not Nero, where are you guys looking next?In post 4520, ffullisade wrote:
It will have to do for this game. Posts far enough outside that range are attention-getting, for sure.In post 4519, Desperado wrote:So you've decided that the vengeball is OK to use as a meta baseline?-
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If that's how you choose to interpret it I doubt there's anything I can say to change your mind. How about we revisit it if Nero flips scum?In post 4537, CrashTextDummie wrote:
You are spooking me because I don't get the change of heart and I don't get why you're making such an awful argument to defend him. You say he towntold, but I don't see it. All I see is "he stopped playing like a wuss and engaged his wagon", which is intrinsically town how exactly? It's not hard for scum to engage a wagon, and it's not hard for scum to make good points either when you just look at the softball arguments. He hasn't made good points on the damning arguments.Desperado wrote:I'm spooking you because we don't agree on one person?
You are spooking me because this kind of play strikes me as something a scumbuddy would want to do. Sheep the wagon to distance, allow buddy to "towntell", move him into townpile.
An issue in what way?Desperado wrote:If it's not as strong as I'm making it out to be, tell me where it's weak, don't tell me to "get a grip."
I think it's bad practice to defend players against cases made by others before they have defended themselves, particularly if you don't have at least some semblance of a town read on them. In writing this, I ask myself why the hell exactly Seanald hasn't addressed your case on him because it's been a while and it turns out his wagon pretty much imploded without any intervention on his part. That is an issue.
I remember having instances of doubt wrt to Bulba, but I'd have to do some rereading to check what they were. There seem to be some meta-related reasons people are suspecting him (Desperado in particular, if memory serves), and I'd like for someone to summarize these reasons, as I most certainly don't have time to read any of his other games.
Cliffnotes of the game from my reading: Bulb replaces in as scum, townreads the VI that is about to get lynched and goes after his wagon leader (Molla) real hard. All of his game is mind games and quote boxes, complete with his Buzzword Bingo board, with Molla. Molla immediately sniffs it out as bullshit but Bulb never quits. Molla eventually breaks and goes insane with multiple all caps posts about how obviously manufactured Bulb's play and case was.In post 4382, Desperado wrote:
He's in my head. No, seriously:BBMolla wrote:You're probably right sadly.
And then I flip town, and Bulbazak convinces themselves that I played scummy and it's not their fault, and they keep scumhunting in their flawed ways.
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After reading that game it's going to take something really, really drastic for me to ever read Bulb as town again.In post 2289, Desperado wrote:I bet you're wrong a lot, aren't you? Not everyone is an automaton...players are guaranteed to make mistakes as either alignment, get caught in your web of neverending quote boxes and buzzwords, and eventually just give up under the sheer weight of it all. But your conscience is clean because you went by the book.
As I read it, each new Bulb post made me do a double take; it was like his game here was a direct sequel. I haven't had a chance to read the town game he provided, though, so it's possible that he plays similarly as town as scum, because his SK game was pretty distinctively different, so I'll get back to you.-
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Hey I asked you once and you ignored it.In post 4544, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
my gawd Mollie.In post 4539, ffullisade wrote:
first off which post of adam's I mean adam had like 600 posts in that game but you seem to have a specific 1 in mind. so can you post it here and compare? cos I think desperado and adam are as different as night and day like I don't think desp is a dickhead at all. tbh that comparison looks like you are talking out of your ass and throwing mud to see what sticks.In post 4535, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Despo #4495 reminds me a lot like Adam's post in Jiffy's game.
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You and Mollie were agreeing we were town read to you guys at some point? Can you explain that further please?
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you are also being needy as hell with these freaking inane questions and I mean the both of you. and ftr I haven't moved you to my town pile cos I did not wake you up when you went apeshit, you had already posted a good 15 minutes before you posted in this game in another part of the board. so you were lying about that and it still isn't sitting right with me.
This was towards Fery. She made a comment towards Nacho and I read it once upon a time you guys shared a read on us that was not-scum. So I asked for explanation.
I guess it's not the same. I swear I thought he did spoilers like Despo did, but he didn't. So forget it.
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Please don't forget, I'd love to hear it.In post 4568, Slandaar wrote:Don't feel like explaining it right now though.-
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Looks to me like Nacho is challenging peregrine's accusation that he's been useless.In post 4634, ThAdmiral wrote:^^ fuck is all that?-
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OK I read enough of NY 163 to see town Bulb here.
Thad's jump onto Bulb's wagon was terrible. In #4065 Thad "will not lynch" bulb:
In #4087 he responds to Bulb's question like he's a townread and joins the Seanald wagon:In post 4065, ThAdmiral wrote:Ok Imma try and sort out my reads.
Will not lynch:
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cephrir
kk
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bulb
ffulisade
Then in #4494, with no further interaction, Thad says:In post 4087, ThAdmiral wrote:Honestly I'm leery that everyone thinks he is town (even though I used to). Looking back I don't see much to imply he's as towny as everyone says he is.
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Seanald wagon seems good enough for me.
vote: seanald
Reminder: Nero has been discussing directing Thad's night action as early as #3838:In post 4494, ThAdmiral wrote:
Don't try to direct night actions. I think Nero might be right about you, you're a bad egg.In post 4442, Bulbazak wrote:Vote Nero Cain
Okay, here's the plan. I'm assuming that town has a protective role of some sort. What I'm asking is that CTD be protected during the night phase, since he is essentially def. town, and we'll need him in the upcoming days. With that, the ball is in your court ThAd. If you really are the vig., you should know that this upcoming night phase is likely to be the only one to prove yourself. You can shoot at whoever you think is scum or is harmful to the town (although it might not hurt to ask for suggestions from the town itself, being that you outed yourself and all), however, should you aim at CTD, you will be wasting your shot. Anybody else is okay (even me), as there is enough contention with the rest of the player list as to gain useful information from a flip.
CTD, I'd still find those reads/final thoughts useful, just in case. Should the wagon get to L-1, I'll try to keep the hammer off long enough for you to get as much information as you want out. If anybody quickhammers with this in mind, I will make it my mission to lynch them.
Nero you're town aren't you?
In #4503 bulb is back in Thad's townpile:In post 3838, Nero Cain wrote:
this is correct.In post 3837, Desperado wrote:Thad claims X-Shot, not 2-Shot
I'm think THAD is scum based on his role claim but the extra kills could be useful. I don't think I want to kill him today.
And then in #4558 he responds to CTD calling him out on the above contradiction:In post 4503, ThAdmiral wrote:quite a few actually:
peregrine
cephrir
kk
bacde
bulb
ffulisade
nero
desp
^He says he copy/pasted from an earlier page, but as you can see above he added Nero and myself to his town list. It was clearly meant to be updated list, and it hadn't even been ten posts since he told Bulb not to direct his night action. I don't buy it.In post 4558, ThAdmiral wrote:In post 4537, CrashTextDummie wrote:
In post 4503, ThAdmiral wrote:
In post 4499, ffullisade wrote:
@ thad
who is in your town pile. I would like to know plz.
quite a few actually:
peregrine
cephrir
kk
bacde
bulb
ffulisade
nero
desp
In post 4494, ThAdmiral wrote:
Don't try to direct night actions. I think Nero might be right about you, you're a bad egg.
Clearly he's not even paying attention to what he's writing himself.
Yeah, I just copy-pasted that from an earlier post. Take bulb off there.
Can we just lynch him now? Enough with this leashing shit.
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This can't be all you had. I dropped it without ever revisiting because DLG got replaced. And I didn't follow up on Ryu accusations because he fucking died that night.In post 4656, Slandaar wrote:I have reasoning actually... Desp made case on DLG, his best contribution of the Day which he dropped without ever revisiting he also made some weak accusations towards Ryu without following up.
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No, it isn't simple. You added us to the end with the thought process of "I'm gonna update my town reads." Not even ten posts earlier you had started to consider Bulb as scum. I understand that you just. don't. give. a. shit. but I don't understand how it wouldn't occur to town-you to take Bulb out of your townpile. This reads like a lame excuse.In post 4690, ThAdmiral wrote:Notice how your names are both at the end? Yeah, that's because I added you and didn't edit the stuff that was already there. Pretty simple really.-
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Yeah this guy is scum tooIn post 4703, Cephrir wrote:Nero has actually been townposting lately.
It irritates me that we are somehow, inexplicably, lynching neither Seanald nor Rena today. Them's the breaks, I guess.
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How did you conclude that 1/3 is more likely than 1/4?In post 4711, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, I just did the math. 6 is only 25%. 8 is 33.33333333333%. So 8 is more likely than 6. Slandaar is prob red scum with Cephir and two of Khan/Nacho/Rena/CTD/Bacde
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OK, but since we've already talked about Nero's large game experience re: multiball, we have 11 large games that I would say represents a reasonable cross section of possibilities.In post 4713, Kublai Khan wrote:
Because each scum group is competing against the other. (Potential for cross-kills)In post 4712, Desperado wrote:
How did you conclude that 1/3 is more likely than 1/4?In post 4711, Nero Cain wrote:yeah, I just did the math. 6 is only 25%. 8 is 33.33333333333%. So 8 is more likely than 6. Slandaar is prob red scum with Cephir and two of Khan/Nacho/Rena/CTD/Bacde
So blue is probs Bulb with one of CTD/Bacde/khan.
I like how Nero Cain is just now questioning the 8 scum = scumslip theory. When I questioned it, he declared I was defending Slandaar.
WWE - 21 players, two scum teams, 5 scum, 24%
Gears of War mafia - 21 players, two scum teams, 6 scum, 29%
How two and a half friends - 21 players, scum team + SK team, 5 scum, 24%
Meta Playstyle mafia - 20 players, scum team + SK, 6 scum, 30%
Harry Potter - 21 players, scum team + SK, 5 scum, 24%
NY 163 - 17 players, scum team, 5 scum, 30%
NY 161 - 21 players, scum team, 5 scum, 24%
NY 160 - 15 players, scum team + SK, 4 scum, 27%
NY 151 - 24 players, scum team + SK, 7 scum, 29%
NY 150 - 17 players, scum team, 4 scum, 23%
NY 143 - 21 players, two scum teams, 6 scum, 29%
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