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I'm on... Page 3 guys! Only 83 pages left to go!
I swear I'll catch up, but if anyone thinks it's a better idea to just get a tl;dr (Even though I feel that's pretty anti-town) that would be good for now since we're far after RVS. At least, I hope we are... Right?
And I see some stuff about the kills being how Stevie's town... how?
Based on the kills, Double Faction or Mafia and SK? (And anything else we might know)-
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Not trying to rolefish, but who?In post 2332, Serene wrote:
Except someone has hinted at having made the kill.In post 2331, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:It's a really small point but I really doubt the existence of a town-aligned kill
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Cool story bro
Any words on the possibility of a vig kill? I'm on Page 40 now. I'm having a hard time catching up but I'm still doing my best. Sorry guys. >:-
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What Mason claim did I miss?
This is totally possible so far from what I've read. I want to see an analysis on the Lynch D1. I think that entire thing is scum-fueled. I wouldn't be surprised if scum were fencesitting.In post 1200, Zdenek wrote:So I read.
I think scum are lurking. Except for maybe BulbaFenix, but they're voting Stevie, so they're in my good book again.
Page 50 right now. Still got more to read. What claims did I miss in-general? Has anyone done any VCA (Vote-Count Analysis)?-
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zdenek why would you bus me like that that's a poor busIn post 2896, Serene wrote:
zdenek tracked you to the kill on Irish PopeIn post 2894, Thirdkoopa wrote:Page 60. I've been super busy. Trying to FINALLY finish Day 1.
Anyone have an actual reason for voting me asides from lurking?
Page 65 now. I'm gonna try to get to that bandwagon soon, FINALLY.-
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Because I've been pretty busy. Really, just rack up who's claimed what.In post 2903, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:
How did you miss the masons, when you already read the pages? Not to mention you asked about them when you were on Page 40; I'm pretty sure the masons were on page 30ish.In post 2900, Thirdkoopa wrote:
zdenek why would you bus me like that that's a poor busIn post 2896, Serene wrote:
zdenek tracked you to the kill on Irish PopeIn post 2894, Thirdkoopa wrote:Page 60. I've been super busy. Trying to FINALLY finish Day 1.
Anyone have an actual reason for voting me asides from lurking?
Page 65 now. I'm gonna try to get to that bandwagon soon, FINALLY.
I'll get on reading the rest; have a singing class. GETTING TO DAY 2 SOON YES.-
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In what way, shape, or form is catching up claiming scum?In post 2951, Serene wrote:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5125740In post 2948, Calcifer wrote:Thirdkoopa is a stronger scumread of mine
Yeah, Thirdkoopa pretty much confessed scum right in that post.
Plus, if I were actually scum, I'd do it in a much more fashionable way. /wifom
Dramonic and Serene are masons, well then, okay. I don't have much else to say to that asides from I don't get why people weren't believing it considering Dramonic only had a bit of suspicion earlier. I was suspicious for some of his vote hopping (Though I may have confused him with someone else) and Serene hasn't really grasped any scum vibes. I Don't see why they would claim it if they were scum unless they were really under suspicion and somehow I magically missed that as well. My only other question, especially if we're dealing with double faction, is why none of them were nightkilled, but fuck if I know. If it's SK it's optimal SK. I think Zde's town so far, and the mason claim I can get behind, but I'm not really sure for the others
Seeing a lot of inactivity, trying to get to the Nero bandwagon on D1.
I've probably missed something else important too.
What's the case on Ank? Page 70 now. I'm doing my best guys ):-
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no no no that's scum if anything
i don't see how you got third-party, or even what third-party-
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And it's VCA time.
"For now"In post 1824, KingCrabd wrote:Nero works for me for now.
Vote: Nero
That said rift/serene/townbloc, let's go one at a time, ISO-meta as we go down the list?
TOO BAD YOURE DEAD IRISH
"Look I'm going for one but acting impartial to the other while voting for the other. I won't get noticed after this, right?"In post 1831, Shadi1337 wrote:
Then... Why not go for Nero?In post 1830, KingCrabd wrote:Well, to be fair, I expected pope to follow right along. It's what he does.
Shadi sheeping us is a bit more off, but whatever.
In post 1675, Shadi1337 wrote:anything other than*, if you wanna go for me, fine. * (punctuation!)
Basically I just wanna see something going. For me I think Steve would be better but I am OK with Nero..
+Points for actually trying to do something nobody had the balls to doIn post 1858, Metal Sonic wrote:well i actually like the serene and nero posts
nero makes good responses
i laughed irl quite a lot
alternatively if there is a silencer role that would be great(i know, i know its mafia role, but hey!)
stevie/Stubbs/Shadi is fricking confusing names
VOTE: Stevie
-Points when this looks like a tactic I've seen in another game.
Holy shit that's a lot of lynches but at least you tried.In post 1862, Baby Spice wrote:Vote Nero
Nero really shows the same asshat style from that other game, but the posting is different.
There isn't the same scum hunting going on here though.
That said, othere part of Serene needs to rein this 'yates' head in a bit.
I would also support a Stevie, Stubs, or Bro lynch, with the Goat, or Holywood, or Orc as lesser candidates.
A Mixture of reason, tell, and lurker.
...Would be better if you voted someone else other than Nero but moving on...
In post 1888, Cephrir wrote:(Shadi isn't going to flip town though )
why did you fakeclaim as townIn post 1893, Nero wrote:im a one shot role cop i dont give a shit whether you lyncvh me or not. i want everyone to swear an oath right now to COMPLETELY DISREGARD AND IGNORE SERENE'S OPINION once I flip town thanks.
gah
just why
this is so bad
at least you didn't call a real role to claim
...And no vote.In post 1899, StubbsKVM wrote:Looks like everyone is so tired of this game, they're all voting Nero just to finish this day.
Thank you. At least ONE person on this wagon isn't blatant. Also where's your avatar from? Totally off-topic.In post 1902, Zdenek wrote:
I'm voting him because I think he'll flip scum.In post 1899, StubbsKVM wrote:Looks like everyone is so tired of this game, they're all voting Nero just to finish this day.
well okay i don't blame you because it was a shit claim. even though I don't particularly like the posts I don't blame youIn post 1903, BROseidon wrote:Reading from where I last posted because fuck it I’m skipping that middle part:
Calcifer still seems fine to me. Serene, what are the relevant posts that I skipped that make you think Calcifer is scum?
Dropping Nero from my townreads and moving him into the scumpile. This is fucking ridiculous. Cabd hydra is a solid townread now, though.
Letters being gone for so long makes me want to scumread the slot, and Stevie being gone strengthens my scumread on it. Cephrir makes me like the Doc slot a lot more, but not enough to shake the early scumread.
I like Ank’s 1752. Frustration seems natural and scum would have to fake that because the Nero/Serene shitstorm benefits scum.
Wow Serene makes an actual case. Woohoo something worth reading in this shitshow of a thread.
Holy fuck that wagon formed fast. Still not convinced on Shadi-town but the rest of the wagon seems fine.
Baby Spice why is Orc on your “would support to lynch” list? I can work out a reason for just about everyone else on there. Also, why is letters not on that list if you’re including lurkers?
Oh look you gave a weak explanation could you give one with specifics.
Serene don’t try to push MS he’s just being his wacky old townie self.
Okay that claim could easily a scum rolecop claiming town rolecop. I am fine with the Nero lynch.
TIP why would you unvote that is a shit claim.
VOTE: Nero
Hi dead town. Well, you tried.
oh snapIn post 1942, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:no actually you know what
VOTE: rift
since when are you EVER this sure about reads on day 1
Well you tried.In post 2016, Nero wrote:turbo lynch stevie tomorrow and verbally assault serene.
keep in mind to completely disregard any reads that "it" gives.
Toodles.
Best post is best post. I mean, EM is okay for dicking around, but...In post 2057, Serene wrote:AhahahHahahhahahahahahHagahgaggagahagavgaagahhaha
Ahahhahahahahhahahahhaha
Ahahhahahhahahahahaha
Fuck my spleen
Totally different regardless anyways.
Also not sure if you know of Final Fantasy, but you made me think of Kefka.
^ ThisIn post 2088, Zdenek wrote:
Look at the thread.In post 2084, Rift Adrift wrote:I don't get the Stevie hate.
Look at the things Stevie has chosen to comment on.
not to add more WIFOM but stevie's either incredibly anti-town town or scum. after a mislynch yesterday though I'm not sure whether vigging him (If we have one) or VCA would be better. Hmm, choices.
Does anyone have any changed thoughts towards stevie? Any support
Let's do this.
Red's my suspicion. The more I think about it, the more I don't think we're playing with double faction and we're just playing with a Mafia (And an SK, perhaps?); the green indicates deadtown or the masons, and the red indicates some of my suspicions. Frankly, I think scum hopped on in the middle to see where it went, fencesat, or stuck on StevieIn post 2129, PeregrineV wrote:
Nero (13)- Rift Adrift, Zdenek,KingCrabd,Shadi1337, Baby Spice, Cephrir, BROseidon,ProHawk, BulbaFenix,Serene (Mason),StevieT92,dramonic (Mason),TheIrishPope
StevieT92 (4)- The Goat,StubbsKVM- I don't like where this was., Metal Sonic, orcinus_theoriginal
BROseidon (2)- Brian Hollywood, DOMO
Calcifer (1)- Ankamius
BulbaFenix (1)- Calcifer
Shadi1337 (1)- Thirdkoopa
The Goat (1)- TMTOLBTWNTOF
Ankamius (1)- Nero
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The fuck kind of SK wincon would be different? Claim to day ***?In post 2965, Rift Adrift wrote:
It depends on the wincon.In post 2964, DOMO wrote:Seems even more retarded if he's SK, it goes against his wincon because scum can pick him off easily. At least if he's in a team, he can still win after dying. I dunno. I need to not be drinking cider when thinking about it.
If I*or hypothetically any other SK*was actually SK and had that, the hell is stopping me from hypothetically claiming survivor or an important town PR? I'm not use to MafiaScum, and I'm rusty, but I'm flabbergast by this logic.-
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Furthermore, what's with this SK stuff anyways? Yeah, I can see an SK in this setup, but why Stevie? I mean, I guess he could be. Furthermore, I don't getme... Okay, I guess from the standpoint my replacement was playing optimal is something.
I'd lynch Stevie for being scummy, not as an SK suspicion.
I'm finally done with Day 1. Now onto Day 2. I'm probably doing terrible at this, but hey, have to start again somewhere right?-
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the fuck is an amished tellIn post 2970, Serene wrote:
okay seriously, stop dropping the amished tellIn post 2968, Thirdkoopa wrote:Furthermore, I don't get me... Okay, I guess from the standpoint my replacement was playing optimal is something.
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Oh, I'm not apologizing for scummy behavior of my replacement, I'm saying "If I were any other slot, I could see how you guys could draw the conclusion ofIn post 2174, BROseidon wrote:Also can we stop with the dayvig reaction test already? It's really fucking dumb and needs to be killed with fire.TSObeing SK, but not myself as much"
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It's time for this dayphase!
i want to see thisIn post 2185, Serene wrote:
no but i once saw town fake a dayvig gambit and then get counterclaimed by the actual dayvig who proved it by shooting a third playerIn post 2183, DOMO wrote:dayvig gambits suck. Has anyone ever been caught by one?
that third player was bulletproof scum
More like "I was just asking" - I still did read the thread, by the by.In post 2254, Calcifer wrote:Vote: Thirdkoopa
"If anyone thinks that this antitown thing is a good idea, then let's do it!"In post 2145, Thirdkoopa wrote:I swear I'll catch up, but if anyone thinks it's a better idea to just get a tl;dr (Even though I feel that's pretty anti-town) that would be good for now since we're far after RVS. At least, I hope we are... Right?
I went through the entire thread practically TWICE and I hardly saw you pushing for TSO, if at all. And clown? More like "Inactive player". By the time I got replaced into this game, Nero was lynched.In post 2262, Cephrir wrote:VOTE: Thirdkoopa
Wanted to lynch this clown yesterday, still want to today.
You... I don't...In post 2308, Rift Adrift wrote:Town
Serene
Dramonic
Lean town
KingCrabd
orcinus
Zdenec
DOMO
Ankamius
Calcifer
Cephrir
Metal Sonic
StubbsKVM
Null-Town
Shadi1337
StevieT92
Baby Spice
Scum/Leaning Scum
The Goat
Thirdkoopa (T S O)
Brian Hollywood
BulbaFenix
Want to rethink
BROseidon
TMTOLBTWNTOF
What?
I'm very very interested in hearing your reasoning on The Goat, Brian, and Bulba. Now.
Well, I'm not the biggest fan of the Ank wagon, but I'm gonna go look at some posts for a sec.In post 2337, Zdenek wrote:I like Cephir's reads of 3rdK and TMTLetters, so that makes me feel better about him.
In post 2311, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:serene is jackshit.In post 2313, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
I'm curious as to who. Can you blame me? I've been missing a lot of stuff.In post 2253, Serene wrote:Calcifer's confession:
VOTE: thirdkoopaIn post 2200, Calcifer wrote:
Seriously?In post 2334, Thirdkoopa wrote:Not trying to rolefish, but who?
No matter your faction I appreciate this.In post 2354, BROseidon wrote:Koopa's posts are horrible but I would rather let him catch up and see a little bit more before jumping on him.
NO NO DISGUISE FOR THAT TUNNEL-VISION.In post 2355, Cephrir wrote: Thirdkoopa's posts are indeed bad but I'm also voting him at least as hard for replacing scum.
It was one post. COME ON.In post 2684, StubbsKVM wrote:
You look at my ISO and assume a bunch of things. That's not putting words in my mouth?Zdenek wrote: I'm not putting words in your mouth. I looked at your ISO, and that's what I got out of. Now, I'm checking to see if you have anything else you want to add or if I missed something. I ask because if this is correct then I really don't understand your null reads on TMTOLBTWNTOF and Brian Hollywood and your town read on The Goat, since they've also not provided content. The fact that you don't have a read on BulbaF seems odd to me, since you're scum reading Ank for reading the mason's differently, and BulbaFenix's reads on the masons seems incredibly contrived.
I gave you a list and reads on them as far as I remembered. I did not look up anything before writing them down.
Let's see:
Ankamius has pinged me a few times, but I can't really remember what he did.
Baby Spice did some weird voting and displayed some really weird behaviour on day 1.
Stevie well I don't think I need to explain that one.
Thirdkoopa: The "I'm not rolefishing, but who are you talking about" post was exceptionally bad. Because people already pointed it out, I didn't see the need to repeat that.
TMT: can't remember anything he posted. How can I read him other than null? I've been wondering why people are scumreading him, but haven't put in effort to find out why.
Brian Hollywood: same thing.
The Goat: I remember him saying he was townier than Serene. I could not agree more. Maybe I just really liked that post to just want him around. The Doctor on fire thing was golden.
BulbaFenix: One head says yes, the other no. I have to admit I may have skipped some of his posts.
Maybe I should put some effort in reading through some of these guys. But after catching up 20 pages, I did not feel like it. Basically since the whole Serene/Nero theatre, I kind of lost interest and I have a hard time getting back into it. It feels like I'm not really a part of this game, just spectating. That's probably the reason why I'm lacking strong scumreads.
Lol, what? If I were scum, that'd be even MORE reason to read the thread - To you know, not get lynched. Me missing the mason claim was a fault of laziness and not just searching it up.In post 2802, KingCrabd wrote:Thirdkoopa claims to have been current up to page 50 when he made that post. Issue is, the mason claim was on page 45, and pages 45-50 were pretty much entirely centered around the mason claim discussion. Scum isn't bothering to read the entire thread.
VOTE: thirdkoopa
Will get to the other stuff asked of me/etc in a few.
Also, hey, hey Cephrir.
Try making an actual case on me. I've said more now, so I'm highly interested. Do it.-
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My suspicions are at the end, but I did post a lot. I haven't done a full reads list yet, but I did put a lot of red into the middle. The beginning wagon... I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was that.In post 2978, Cephrir wrote:
Which explains why your suspicions are from those who hopped on at the beginning, a Stevie voter, and... Stevie?Thirdkoopa wrote:Frankly, I think scum hopped on in the middle to see where it went, fencesat, or stuck on Stevie
Nah, not everyone was being stupid. I don't mean to come across as a jackass with that. What is stupid, however, is one vote sheeping. Even if those votes are town, they don't offer anything of substantial value. Is it truly wrong to place more attention on these terrible votes? I think not. I know it's Day 1, but seriously? RVS phase was far by over by then.I don't really care for a lot of those quote + obvious one liners, nor do I especially care for replacing in and acting like everyone who suspected dead townies was being stupid.
Looking back, I don't blame you all for lynching Nero regardless. I would have lynched his ass too or made him talk. Probably the latter.
DBG? whatHow did those posts convince you he might be town DGB? They're not even good.
...What? Who even said anything about TSO being an SK?
I need to get more sleep. Well, whatever oddball theories people want to keep on SK, whatever. I just want to get scum.-
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Hey, it's at least trying.In post 2980, Rift Adrift wrote:
You could argue that I did, though I was thinking more broadly about third party roles in general.In post 2978, Cephrir wrote:What? Who even said anything about TSO being an SK?
I'm trying to keep in mind that a lot of the shenanigans I've seen in games elsewhere are off the table due the word "Normal" in the thread title.-
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Okay, so I made one part unclear: My suspicions on scum voting Stevie are basically because "lolbus" (if he's scum) because by then they knew Nero would get voted. If it's single faction, it more points to what I think. That, the middle of the wagon, and the fencesitting is getting me off.
Not feeling the Zeta/Beta (That's his name right?) wagon, so here I go.
Vote: Stevie
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Let's do this
Blue = Town
Red = Scum
If anyone else wants to ask me my reads on anyone else, go for it.In post 0, PeregrineV wrote:Ankamius
Baby Spice
Brian Hollywood
BROseidon[/color]
Calcifer (mastin2 & Nachomamma8) - I really don't know
Cephrir - Keep on a watch here, I can't tell.
DOMO (TheReverend & DoubleJD)
dramonic
KingCrabd (Hydra of Cabd & TheKP)
BulbaFenix (hydra of Bulbazak and Eddie Fenix)Mac
Marquis
orcinus_theoriginal
Rift Adrift (Syryana and fferyllt)
Shadi1337
StevieT92
StubbsKVM
The Goat
TMTOLBTWNTOF
Serene (hydra)truly14
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King I'll forgive you if you're town if you lynch one scum (And I'll laugh if you're scum, harder if you're SK) but never do that again. Seriously, patience is a thing.
It's okay since I was gonna be roleblocked anyways <3
Not sure on King being scum now as much, but keep a lookout for Marquis and Shadi as well. There's scum at least on one of the two bandwagons, so don't let people get away with poor voting.
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I'd say wait for the nights flips. Zde's probably my strongest Town Read, but I've seen people play good Town as Scum. Stevie and Cephir I really don't like after my lynch. I'd also keep a watch on the replacements (I never particularly liked Metal Sonic's posts) and the generally poor sheep.In post 3093, BulbaFenix wrote:Thanks that's all I needed. Do you have any other strong or semi-strong reads?
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Oh my god you've made my night. I need to add some of you guys on skype.In post 3099, Cabd wrote:Yeah. It was totally 120% fake. I was already voting you, so by unvoting and re-voting, my post had no ACTUAL affect on you.
I want to think about that a bit.Rift Adrift wrote:In post 3098, Thirdkoopa wrote:I want to think about that a bit.
I want to think about that a bit.
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You've got no idea?In post 3110, Rift Adrift wrote:
freaking highlight/quote.In post 3102, Rift Adrift wrote:In post 3098, Thirdkoopa wrote:I want to think about that a bit.
I want to think about that a bit.
This was in answer to your question about who to target tonight.
Also not sure whether it's a good idea to say so public-ally.
I was going to claim anyways by the L-1 point, so this just made me notice it faster. Good job Crab.-
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I won't disagree with you on that. I did look like I was trying to save my ass, so all apologies for that.
Dramonic, I asked you a question a few pages back, did I not?-
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A wa-In post 3119, KingCrabd wrote: I think it's time for another rift townbloc meeting. Now featuring thirdkoopa.-
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Reason being?In post 3124, Ankamius wrote:UNVOTE: ThirdKoopa
VOTE: DOMO
Now watch as I get quickhammered by the legion of thirdkoopa unvoters.-
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In post 3134, Cephrir wrote:I wanted to make sure I got that in since I was having trouble maintaining an internet connection for more than 2 seconds at a time
It looks like I'm a shitty scumhunter. Somehow, no matter how many times I learn this, I continue to be surprised every time.
I need to think about where I want to go next.
Pedit: DOMO is clearly referring to Koopa and Crabd, and I find his hypothesis somewhat silly.
It's okay, we all make mistakes in these games. I think I've got very rusty at scumhunting myself. >:-
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Two-shot cop? Removing WIFOM, you're probably sane, but iunno. It seems weird to have another two-shot role. I'm curious to this: Why'd you investigate Baby Spice? (Assuming you're telling the truth)
i'm okay with this
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The other problem I have with it, not to outguess the mod, but Cop is usually a role that can go on without being limited. Full Vig, on the other hand, could screw up an entire scum team in the right hands or screw a game over for town in the wrong hands.
Then again, I see little benefit (Unless he were Mafia) in lying about it.-
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Vote: BulbaFenix
I'd rather him than Ank today. Probably won't bother shooting Ank so he can get a result.
We've got five days to get this cracking.
It's okay it happens to the best of us. Take a break. I had to sit down for a bit when I started freaking out over that "Hammer" on me.Cephrir wrote:i can't deal with this shit today, see you when that changes-
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Wait what now, also ^ This. Same with the first day wagon. You guys are letting too much off the hook.In post 3367, Serene wrote:BFenix is town, that was an experiment.
I still want to see BFenix's analysis of ALL wagons, not just his own.
I'm here for a bit now at least. Since the day is ending one way or another soon, I do want to have more of an idea on who to vig since I think that got lost in everything else. Yeah, give me a list. I'm not gonna just pick one person.-
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Bulba, just on the odd chance that you are town, could you actually give us VCA on the other wagons? We have three days left, and unless everyone magically agrees on Stevie (Or another good idea...)
Also nobody is answering about the vig shots but I suppose at least nobody opposes to me not shooting Ank.-
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...point madeIn post 3818, Rift Adrift wrote:
If scum have a roleblocker.In post 3817, Thirdkoopa wrote:Actually wait, if Ank is scum won't I just be roleblocked anyways?
plus they didnt block me anyways and i'm obvious block so-
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I'd say so. Too bad he didn't do vote analysis for any other wagons.In post 3831, Rift Adrift wrote:Worth taking a look at bulba's reads?-
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Maybe they didn't go for me/Ank because loldoctor or lolbodyguard? Granted, we probably don't have a roleblocker on scum side at least.
Also the more I think about it, we probably don't have a second scum team and it's just an SK. ProHawk and Caph kills look totally optimal play. Just some thought throwing to myself.
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