NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[Baezu]

So sad to see Slandaar go. I really love playing with him especially when he's town, like in this game. I'm very unsettled by the loss of 3 VTs yesterday. This is really hurting us. We need to find some scum so that town has a chance. I think if we lynch TMT today, we can give ank more time to find more scum. I do agree with Slandaar's reads. I definitely think the Jon slot is scum and cephrir's posts today were super scummy too. If cop can confirm on either of those tonight, it would make tomorrow's lynch easy as well. Cabd I'm leaning scum. Rift and orc are town and also DOMO. So if we go according to DOMO's list, the remaining scum is in: BRO, shadi and stubbs. Sounds like we have a really good basis to start working on.

btw: Happy birthday, Shadi

[Baezu]

VOTE: TMT

[Baezu]

I do not know why I am still in this game

What have I read? nothing really kinda skimmed checking if I am replaced (which in hindsight was terrible I should have just Isoed the mods). I could make a fantastic case on my friend Jon but meh, I prefer him to live and carry his scumteam to victory! you can do it Jon!!! noone will suspect you you sneaky sneaky scumbag you!

Baezu is TOWN, T-O-W-N.
Crabd is VERY VERY obviously scum.

Not surprising that no scum are dead yet in this game honestly. I mean Crabd 'WELL ALL THE FLAKES ARE SCUM LOLOLOLOL' how do people not see these things?

I love you, Slandaar!

<3

[Baezu]

I'm really behind on this game. I will be catching up tonight and post my reads as soon as I am able to.

[Baezu]

Ank- I think it's getting more and more clear that he's town and not fakeclaiming

BabySpice-

Zdenel, you forgot Stubbs entering the game with a late RVS joke as a reason for a vote.
That quite often indicates scum trying to fake a rvs reason to vote.
Add in over defensive and he's a high chance.

If Stubbs flips maf - I think she's clear because she's been making a case for him all game and I don't think she'd bus that early. If stubbs flips town - I may start looking here.

BRO-

Post #463 established him as town imo and he's stayed that way ever since.

DOMO-

Stubbs, why are you voting nero?

Actively participating, asking questions and scumhunting - town

King Crabd -

A lot of his posts look like fluff. He has been active but I don't really believe this claim:

Roleblocker. Crumb was here (also trolling nacho is fun)

Raving Bisexual

Bulbafenix Night One
Shadi Night Two
Orcinus Night Three

Jon_61 next please.

Why would there be a town RB in this game? That would mean there are some heavy mafia roles to balance it out. So far, we've just seen goons so who could possibly be left? I don't believe the remaining mafia are all PRs

Also, his vote made me really uneasy.

Well that was weird as fuck.

Too many mindscrews this week for me.

VOTE: drmaonic

The fuck did you do that for, serene?

Thinking scum for sure.

Rift -

Posts a lot and useful content. I've played with her before. She's a really good player and might be playing an amazing scum game, but I feel that in this game she's town.

Shadi - Posts a lot but not a lot of explanation or rationale for his behavior. The weirdest thing is that it's been 178 pages and I still don't have a solid read on him. This makes me feel he's scum.

Stubbs -

Has had a few posts that seem very town and some that seem really scummy. Overall, he's in my town pile for now.

Thirdkoopa - Not sure what to think of his vig claim. He has had posts with content in them, but he's also not sure about ank:

Also I do find Ank more scummy than Bulba at least right now. Did Bulba get prodded? I don't get what the "Prods: *** time" mean.

I'm feeling null leaning town for now.

Jon -

That slot has looked scummy the whole game and jon has not really helped it. This post is shit:

@ ANk Can you expand on that? How did I go "back" in your scum reads? You were the 2 shot cop, right?

I remember a recent game GiF claimed something similar, I believed him, and it helped us lose. So excuse me if I start questioning you tomorrow, but this is all moot if you can talk Koopa into shooting me. I don't think I'm going to be around long enough to matter.

He's scum.

Serene -

Rude, obnoxious and crazy but still town. I've never played with either head (I don't believe) but from what I hear, this is how he is.

Dram -

Serene, hurry and retract your vote so we can pretend to be masons again

scummy posts and really not much info or scumhunting.

Honestly my vote today rests with Crabd because I still think he's the most likely scum out there

VOTE: KingCrabd

[Baezu]

Don't you at least... have a defense?

I agree.

[Baezu]

Ok dram, you're going to pretend to not be scum, that's cool, I'll play along.

Why, if you're town BP, did you not think it's better to immediately call bullshit on serene's claim, and play strong town to try to entice the scum into NK'ing you? Why sit back and watch serene clusterfuck the thread with spew while we mislynch people who she is pushing for? Why did you sit back and allow orc to take the crap he got and untilamtely take the vig's bullet when you KNOW that he's actually onto something when he distrusts you?

If you can show me the town motivation for your play as town BP, maybe I can remove my vote. I might also eat my ears.

Another good point.

[Baezu]

dram - you're going to have to explain these points.

[Baezu]

Ank, do you have a read on anyone from last night?

[Baezu]

We have our lynch for today either way, let's just not run around in circles.

There's plenty of time in the day to change wagons if presented with better evidence.

[Baezu]

Ank, do you have a read on anyone from last night?

Ankd claimed to be a 2 shot cop.

So he has no more reads for the rest of the game, huh?

Thanks.

[Baezu]

I'd like to hear a case on Serene, honestly. I would also consider lynching jon or babyspice, given the new information that she may be godfather. I think a babyspice flip would also give us a lot of information and is less likely to be a mislynch.

[Baezu]

I'd like to hear a case on Serene, honestly. I would also consider lynching jon or babyspice, given the new information that she may be godfather. I think a babyspice flip would also give us a lot of information and is less likely to be a mislynch.

Less likely than...

Dram

[Baezu]

NVM - just caught up on posts and this one takes the cake:

I dont have a limit on my bpness.
Ive answered the rest of your post already DOMO.
@Serene: You expect me to throw crumbs to the scum, really?

VOTE: Dramonic

L-1

[Baezu]

I'd like to hear a case on Serene, honestly. I would also consider lynching jon or babyspice, given the new information that she may be godfather. I think a babyspice flip would also give us a lot of information and is less likely to be a mislynch.

This is a lot of my reason for Baezu-scum.

How exactly is this scummy?

[Baezu]

Everyone knows jon_h61 is scum, Rift Adrift, why did you quote his scum post?

If everyone knew Jon was scum, he would have been lynched by now.

[Baezu]

Crabd/Koopa/Rift being alive still is pretty strange. I had town reads on all of those, so I'm thinking I'm wrong on at least one of them.

If one of these slots is scum I would think it would be Crabd, but since Rift says she tracked him and they seem to mesh it's most likely that all three of those slots are town.

[Baezu]

@stubbs - no I think he's scummy

Crabd/Koopa/Rift being alive still is pretty strange. I had town reads on all of those, so I'm thinking I'm wrong on at least one of them.

If one of these slots is scum I would think it would be Crabd, but since Rift says she tracked him and they seem to mesh it's most likely that all three of those slots are town.

Crabd could be a scum roleblocker. For that matter, I could be a scum tracker.

In a game that could be multiball, our targets would make sense either alignment.

Ok so I would say Crabd out of that list.

[Baezu]

A lot of his posts look like fluff. He has been active but I don't really believe this claim:

In post 4368, KingCrabd wrote:
Roleblocker. Crumb was here (also trolling nacho is fun)
In post 66, KingCrabd wrote:
Raving Bisexual


Bulbafenix Night One
Shadi Night Two
Orcinus Night Three

Jon_61 next please.


Why would there be a town RB in this game? That would mean there are some heavy mafia roles to balance it out. So far, we've just seen goons so who could possibly be left? I don't believe the remaining mafia are all PRs

Also, his vote made me really uneasy.

[Baezu]

I don't remember who Goat's replacement was

I believe jon was goat's replacement

[Baezu]

Crazy jon flip

why would mafia target him I wonder

We would have in all likelihood lynched him tonight he was so scummy.

Thanks mafia for doing us a favor!

[Baezu]

Stubbs, thought there was the potential for scum there with the mini reads flipflop i noticed when re-reading overnight.

What are you referring to?

[Baezu]

I'm actually VT. Don't know what all the other VT claims are out there but I'd wager most of them are scum.

penguin next.

[Baezu]

penguin better get in here fast

Or what?

VT.

Same claim Slandaar made ftr.

What do you mean by this?

[Baezu]

^^ Penguin replaced Slandaar. I wanted to see if her claim matched. It did.

gotcha

[Baezu]

I actually think Serene's claim is fake. Not saying he's scum, but I don't think he's VT.

Same goes for DOMO. 6 PRs for town sounds like too little for a 24 player game but I've never played one with so many people. Maybe some people are trying to protect against a nk by claiming VT.

Also in your count, koopa, you need to include the people who have flipped already. 10 townspeople have died and 9 of them are confVT. That would make 15 VT in a 24 person game. Seems like way too many to me. Assuming that at most 3 of those claims are from scum (2 scum have already flipped), that leaves 12 VT in 24 and 7 PRs (those you mentioned above + dram - BP)

I guess it's possible for half of the people to be VT...

Anyway, Shadi's play has been very erratic - posting lots on some days and trailing off on other days. Can't really read him, but it's weird that he's still around. He's probably scum. Stubbs I'm less sure about. He's still pretty null-town to me. I think it's suspicious that Crabd won't say his full role since we are massclaiming but that by itself doesn't make him scum.

I wouldn't necessarily lynch out of the VT claims. Like I said, I think there may be some fake PR claims and some townspeople trying to cover up their role by claiming VT.

[Baezu]

I'm banned from joining new mafia games, yes.

[Baezu]

"This is a new game ban, so no replacements are required."

[Baezu]

I will give an updated reads list tonight when I'm on a computer.

[Baezu]

I actually think Serene's claim is fake. Not saying he's scum, but I don't think he's VT.

Same goes for DOMO. 6 PRs for town sounds like too little for a 24 player game but I've never played one with so many people. Maybe some people are trying to protect against a nk by claiming VT.

And is this based on gut? The ones you think aren't telling the truth about their VT claim but could still be town? If it is, try to explain it; if it isn't gut where are you getting it from?

I was just thinking that if I were a doctor, for example, I may claim VT so as not to give scum a clear option of who to target. So why wouldn't someone is a similar position do a similar thing?

[Baezu]

I actually think Serene's claim is fake. Not saying he's scum, but I don't think he's VT.

Same goes for DOMO. 6 PRs for town sounds like too little for a 24 player game but I've never played one with so many people. Maybe some people are trying to protect against a nk by claiming VT.

And is this based on gut? The ones you think aren't telling the truth about their VT claim but could still be town? If it is, try to explain it; if it isn't gut where are you getting it from?

I was just thinking that if I were a doctor, for example, I may claim VT so as not to give scum a clear option of who to target. So why wouldn't someone is a similar position do a similar thing?

I didn't say your logic behind lying about a claim was bad or anything; it just seems like you are pointing towards specific people and I wonder why. Did they (soft) claim before? Have they done the same in previous games?(meta) did they seem to see themselves as a bit more useful than a simple VT?

I'm not going to talk about any ongoing games so for now please take my reads for what they are. Thanks.

[Baezu]

There was a missing kill on n3. Babyspice claims she protected serene n3. If we're to assume that the protection lasts two nights, then babyspice self protected on n2. It seems that one of the following happened... serene was attacked and protected, babyspice was attacked and protected, or crabd shot the same person as koopa. I think it's looking likely that crabd is scum.

vote crabd

I've been saying this for most of the game

[Baezu]

Vote Baezu

Any particular reason?

[Baezu]

I've had a crazy shit day after being stranded in the airport last night. I will do a comprehensive reads list tonight.

[Baezu]

Claimed PRs:
Ankamius - 2 Shot Cop (Used Up) I believe that he's the cop. I guess he's still alive because at this point he's effectively VT. No cc so yeah.
Baby Spice - White Mage - This role seems too crazy to make up and she was inno'ed by ank so I think it's safe to say town.
KingCrabd - INF-Shot Roleblocker- I'm very suspicious of town roleblocker. I think it makes town way overpowered. A lot of his posts have seemed scummy and those tht haven't have seemed tailored to look townie. I think he's doing a fabulous job of confounding us. Scum
Rift Adrift - Tracker - I get no scum vibes off of RA at all. I'm not sure why some people have a scum read on her (will someone who has a scum read on her please elaborate on that for me?)
Thirdkoopa - 2-Shot Vig (used up)- The towniest. Nuf said

Claimed Vanillas:
Baezu- VT - play sucks but I'm still town
BROseidon- VT - Seems town.
DOMO - VT - after last post - town
penguin_alien- VT - I like her posts, she shows concern for town. Town
Shadi1337 - VT - I really don't like this line from post 3773 "As I've explained before I am, myself, really surprised at the amount of town cred I got. It seems to be from a range of players that have worked together up until the game, but in a town-way though.." Not expecting people to town read you is not something you'd say as town. Scum
StubbsKVM - VT - I keep going back and forth on Stubbs. Some posts are scummy, some are extremely town. Null
Serene - VT - I really suspect that serene is NOT a VT. I don't know if he's a PR but I get the feeling that he's scum from the post that he wrote in response to mine regarding PRs posing as VTs Scum

btw Happy scum day, Kuribo!

[Baezu]

Lynch pool {serene, stubbs, shadi, crabd}

[Baezu]

I have recent shadi as scum data from vengeball two, and it does NOT fit his play here.

Stubbs, however, the "why me" in 4792 paired with 4662/4663 makes me okay with that wagon. Rift, meta on baezu?
You have more data than me.

VOTE: stubbs

And what are we going to do about serene?

What do you feel about Shadi's play this game?

Serene, I'm just trying to figure out the reason there are so many VT claims. What are you thoughts on that?

[Baezu]

v/la until Wed

[Baezu]

Dear Crabd,

BS has already claimed a non-normal role.

Why are you being derp?

Love,

Angry P

P.S.: I strongly doubt anyone approved the bs she is claiming as balanced.

First off, so happy AP is in the game as town. We have a chance of figuring this shit out now!

Second I agree the BS claim is way OPed for town especially with all the roles we currently know. In short I think BS's claim is BS. Shadi is also shady but not more than BS

VOTE: BabySpice