NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[AngryPidgeon]

Hey guys.

Im with a contractor my company hired on his first day of 6 months so I'll be back later today.

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Hi Shadi : )

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Fuck yea! AP you are awesome for replacing in!

VOTE: baby spice

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Why is Baby Spice still alive?

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I want to believe BabySpice's claim (and also don't want to pick it to pieces today - tomorrow is another story) because it explains why I'm alive.

Ew stop. Rub your brain cells together for 5 mins and let me know if you think there is a role in the game that can

permanently

protect itself and someone else.

Her claim is fake and dumb.

And there are a ton of posts flying by in my edit window, but BS could very easily be the SK the way she is claiming BP. Also she has a way to "stop" a kill on someone by not submitting.

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Kuribo, why are you overjustifying your babyspice suspicions? Shes fucking lying plain and simple. Why are you monologuing about lylo for no reason?

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Scum can't even win a 3-person LYLO in that situation

if I misread her role and she actually DOES protect for two nights, scum can't even win a 4-person MYLO

Example:

Night 15- Living players are Baby Spice (white mage), dram (BP), Last Scum Standing, and Vanilla Guy.
Spice protected herself Night 14, so she's still protected Night 15. She protects Vanilla Guy, and dram can't be killed.
Day 16- Vanilla Guy gets lynched (or no lynch occurs)
Night 16- Baby Spice protects herself again, dram still BP, Vanilla Guy still protected by last night's protection.

nevermind that a self-doc plus a town BP makes it 100% impossible for scum to win in 3-man lylo unless there's a strongman alive

Kuribo, you mafia?

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She didn't claim she can permanently protect. People have jumped to various conclusions.

No Shadi we haven't.

Town White Mage. Those the word Doctor isn't used I would call it a variant doctor role.
Submit a name and protect them for two nights.

Rift. Me. Serene. Rift.
Domo, you're up.

She claimed her protection lasts 2 nights, right?

Soooo, target self -> target other -> target self -> target other.

2 BULLETPROOF people...ideally her and another PR. Noooooope. Shes scum. The cop/vig claims are legit. The RB claim could be scum, but who cares atm. BS is claiming a bullshit role and needs to die.

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How else do you POSSIBLY interpret that?

"Submit a name and protect them for two nights"

Lets stop being dumb
and lynch obvious scum

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There is no way she meant that. And if she did then she absolutely sucks at English.

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Rift, when did you claim?

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Fucking, her claim is obviously fake because its OP AS SHIT. Shes effectively claiming to be the same as a BULLETPROOF DOCTOR.

Stop being dense.

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serene renounced their earlier claim of masons with Dram

Kuribo, we have sooooo much to discuss.

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Can someone point me to night action claims? I dont see them readily.

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Does koopa have a shot left?

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BS claims:
Rift. Me. Serene. Rift.

Ank was ?? Think hes the only one I don't know now.

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Rift, what night do you think you were shot at (if any)?

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Oh who did Crabd target. Obv Orci N3, but who else?

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Shadi, are you scum

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Just because Nacho is a Raving Bisexual looking to sleep with us all

Skimming for target claims, thought I saw the word bisexual. I did. This game, lol.

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Roleblocker. Crumb was here (also trolling nacho is fun)

Raving Bisexual

Bulbafenix Night One
Shadi Night Two
Orcinus Night Three

Jon_61 next please.

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So Stubbs was blocked last night. And there was one kill unaccounted for. That slot is prolly scum.

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There are 3 confirmed night killers. One is mafia. One is Koopa. The other is prolly SK.

Koopa is out of shots, so there are mafia and prolly SK left. (2 kills)

Stubbs was roleblocked. There was only one kill.

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Dear Crabd,

BS has already claimed a non-normal role.

Why are you being derp?

Love,

Angry P

P.S.: I strongly doubt anyone approved the bs she is claiming as balanced.

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Why do I care about that game?

Bs claimed a non-normal role. No one else has.

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Cool story, lets lynch BabyScum then.

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Also Im 95% sure that large normals allow for up to 2 non-normal roles.

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1: should have protected self
2: should have protected me or Ank

THIS.

Anyone claiming that role that claims something other than an N1 protect on themselves is lying. Unless there was a claimed PR already, but I dun think there was.

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Before we carry on with that, what's your perspective on the whole fakeclaim masons thing. Rift too. We really need to sort that out before going on.

Kuribo is probable scum. Its exactly the kind of shit he'd pull with no one around to blow the whistle. Also his Babyspice suspicions feel like he believes it, but his reasoning feels a bit forced. If shes an SK, hes prob mafia.

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Kuribo is probable scum. Its exactly the kind of shit he'd pull with no one around to blow the whistle.

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Because shes a pr that can effectively keep herself and another PR alive indefinitely?

If that is DGB, then my scumread on the slot is 100% right. She knows better than this.

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Who was part of the decision to claim masons with Dram?

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1: should have protected self
2: should have protected me or Ank

THIS.

Anyone claiming that role that claims something other than an N1 protect on themselves is lying. Unless there was a claimed PR already, but I dun think there was.

Serene/Dram fake claimed masons.

I just reread this and realized you were talking about how this would affect BS's night targets and not just saying that Serene should die for that shit.

Given that there was a claimed mason on N1 and BS targeted someone else, that is all the more reason to hop on this scumlynch.

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Just me.

I appreciate your efforts but we're town.

P-edit: lol I wsa just gonna say you should smile, nod, and sheep me then but you are so cool.

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Im working on a crackpot theory which you are town in.

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Because shes a pr that can effectively keep herself and another PR alive indefinitely?

That only makes sense if she's a likely target for the scum kill.

Not really. If I had a role that was THAT powerful, I would not risk it ever unless I was pretty sure another PR was in jeopardy.

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I dunno, aren't SKs typically bp and inv-immune in large games?

Also, she has an inno on her? Anka might be mafia if she flips scum.

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Alternatively shes a mafia Godfather and trying to stave off SK kills by claiming to effectively be BP.

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Point being, there is a zero percent chance that role is in the game.

The ONLY way I could see that at all is if scum had a hard Strongman in the game. Even that would be swingy as balls and seems unlikely given the fair number of unaccounted for kills.

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Anyone defending BS is suspect, ESP if she flips not-mafia.

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Yeh. Well if BS is scum (and she is) then I could see you being likely town for good solid reasons.

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Oh this has been ffery?

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Uhhh, there doesn't have to be a Doc/JK in every single setup ever?

You really think there is a (effectively) BP doctor and a BP in the same setup?

RB is effectively protective since it stops kills.

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Also I ge the feeling there may be another PR out there that is just being sneaky and not wanting to claim.

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Yes.

I even dropped a crumb.

Not pointing out a crumb for us? Cause scum like it when townies find their shit for themselves, feels more real.

Weak vote onto Baezu wagon? Fuck that noise.

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Lol Domo complaining about my lack of motivation, for that is what it is with six hydra's and idiots who need a special class of newbie game just for them, and then goes on about his own lack of motivation.
Haven't been this unmotivated since that gang theme large.

The gang large theme was The Wire mafia where I played a doc variant before replacing out because I got sick of reading the massive walls.

Also the fuck. This is not a crumb. This is a scumpost. Come on ffery. Remember that time you wouldn't lynch me in a newbie game despite all the evidence POINTING RIGHT AT ME.

Well this time its all pointing at BabySpice and her hocuspocus claim.

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Ffery, I review normal games. I'm telling you that the chance of the reviewers seeing a Double Self-targeting Doc and letting it through review is basically not at all likely.

Her 'crumb' that she wanted to let people find, was a super offhand reference to another game in which she was apparently a alternate Doc. That isn't even a legit crumb.

I only bring up that Newbie game because I see you acting the same way here. You didn't want to lynch me cause

I'm cute

I talk sweet. Right now you don't want to lynch BS claims because you want to believe scum targeted you and shes offering that notion to you on a plate.

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Ffery, just sheep me please. I think I know who is actually an unclaimed protective role.

BabySpice is scum and its obvious. I can tell from the fakeness of the claims and the badness of the Baezu vote.

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Ffery, if BS wanted to just coast and was planning on lying about her role to protect herself, why wouldnt she claim VT instead of a role that is obviously fake? ...and ROLEBLOCKABLE

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Spoiler: I got you this to help you wake up

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Theories on why the null/scum players keep dying and the town-reads/PRs don't.

- At least one scum among the claimed PRs.

What happened to this?

Hint: You are town. Koopa is town. Ankamius is probably town for getting a hard guilty on someone. Crabd/BS are the only odd ones out and BS is the sketchiest one of the two by FAR

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BRO, I see you around. I have one more spot on this wagon! Sign up now and receive complimentary town credit!!!

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So there HAS to be a doctor role in EVERY setup EVER? No there doesn't. RB stops kills and FITS with a bulletproof. And I can see it geling with 2-shot roles.

Also, I think there is a chance of an unclaimed PR out there.

I mean..I already said all this shit, are you just buttering up Ffery?

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Wooooo, party rockin in the thread toniiiiight.

Everybody's lynching scum, allright!

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\I really do not get why people think Baezu is scum. She feels town to me.

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I can't really comment on that without having read 90% of this monstrousity (Ill hop on that over the night phase), but that sounds like PL material and not actually scum material.

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My coffee jpg was goingto outshine any other attempts at image based humor anyways

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If BS flips Town Doctor Im going to be PISSED.

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[ img ] [/ img]

W/o the spaces. Then drop a URL link to the image in those tags.

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You can link to youtube by doing [ youtube ] [/youtube] And just dropping the video code ONLY in their. It'll be like 10-15 chars long and at the end of the url for the video on youtube.

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Ffery/Syr, I encourage you guys to read Serene's ISO over night. Just the last page of it to the end. I think it'll help get us on the same page.

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No, pissd at Baby Spice for being a complete failure at mafia.

But Im pretty sure shes gonna flip either SK or Godfather so Im not sweating.

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The one I quoted about you saying a PR is probably scum?

I dont think so?

Just saying if the BS flip is scum, then the only thing I know is that you should prolly be dead by now for your PR.

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Welp. The white mage flip makes Crabd very likely mafia for setup reasons.

Crabd, who did ou block last night?

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Rift, who did you target?

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Welp. The white mage flip makes Crabd very likely mafia for setup reasons.

Crabd, who did ou block last night?

Still not scum.

But it seems that we've got a SK here, over a second scumteam. Spice was the doc/protective role for anti-scumteams, i'm the solution to serene-SK running around.

Why is Serene SK as opposed to part of the mafia?

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Crabd targeted Serene last night.

Shades of AMOL. :/

Oh Im an idiot. I thought you were just parroting what he said and passing a judgment on it. Didn't realize you were confirming it.

Why the fuck would you target the confirmed roleblocker.

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I think Crabd is mafia roleblocker and Serene is SK.

Ya, pretty much this.

I dont see how the game is balanced with Town WM AND the RB on top of the flipped/confirmed power out here.

The only way I could see Crabd town is if Rift is scum which is plausible I guess.

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Either way, Serene is basically confirmed scum at this point unless Mafia and SK BOTH killed Koopa and TBH Koopa doesnt make sense as an SK kill at this point.

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Explain how he's confirmed roleblocker.

I thought there were 3 kills on that night, I looked after and realized its possible he and Koopa both killed Orci. But even that is unlikely.

Its way more likely hes an actual RB given the crumbs and the implications of making that claim. But hes still more likely Maf RB than not. Also hes confirmed not SK at this point.

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Which Koopa claimed responsibility for.

Was Orci a likely NK given that he was vig bait?

-He crumbed RB from the beginning
-His claim locks him into a bad position if hes lying given the Tracker claim.
-Scum has to have some shit to counter the WM, RB makes sense

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Like the only way he could be a NOT roleblocker is if he X-killed Orci alongside Koopa (and got lucky that Koopa claimed responsibility for that kill to save him)

and he performed a scum kill on Serene last night, who is basically confirmed SK regardless.

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So you think Crabd is a Mafia Roleblocker.
I think Crabd is a Mafia Roleblocker.

Its a party.

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Do you agree on my assessment of Serene?

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Like the only way he could be a NOT roleblocker is if he X-killed Orci alongside Koopa (and got lucky that Koopa claimed responsibility for that kill to save him)

and he performed a scum kill on Serene last night, who is basically confirmed SK regardless.

And what would stop that kill from going through? bulletproof?

SKs are almost always BP (esp in large games). So if Crabd is just plain mafia and tried to kill Serene, what would have stopped the kill? No one is claiminganything that could have stopped it, so most likely conclusion is Serene is BP which heavily implies SK, esp since dram flipped BP town already.

And if Crabd blocked Serene, then the lack of 2nd kill cant really be explained unless SK and Mafia BOTH shot Koopa which seems improbable.

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What was AMOL?

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OH that was the game that you faked a guilty on scumbuddy Iec, lol.

I remember watching him post in that game when he was at my place.

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I actually did watch him make the kill.

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I looked for a post where you lay out reasons for Serene being SK and I don't see one.

Crabd is claiming a block on her. Most obvious explanation for the missing kill other than a double kill on Koopa which I find unlikely.

With BS gone, no one else is claiming anything to stop a kill.

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I looked for a post where you lay out reasons for Serene being SK and I don't see one.

Crabd is claiming a block on her. Most obvious explanation for the missing kill other than a double kill on Koopa which I find unlikely.

With BS gone, no one else is claiming anything to stop a kill.

Also, even if Crabd is lying and his 'block' was a kill attempt, it still means Serene was prolly BP and therefore lying/SK.

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Ugh Rift, you aren't playing me like a fool with all this 'hurr durr, how is crabd CONFIRMED rb' are you. I mean really the conclusions Ive drawn are fairly obvious.

What did you expect to learn from tracking Crabd?

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Crabd-SK scenario.

But the Vig claimed to kill Orci on N2? And the SK clearly killed mafia on that night (unless you want to argue that mafia killed themselves). How the hell could crabd POSSIBLY have been SK?

I mean I guess if he is non-RB scum then he has to be making the kill in case he gets tracked to nobody which would raise eyebrows. But you said you also think hes an RB and really Maf RB makes a ton of sense.

There was no reason to track him unless you thought he was Vanilla Mafia which is p unlikely.

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But the Vig claimed to kill Orci on N2?

N3**

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He CAN'T be an SK though.

someone shot MAFIA on N3. It wasn't koopa. It was either mafia or SK and we KNOW that Crabd did not target mafia that night. So he is confirmed not SK, why do you think he could be? He could only possibly be an SK if mafia KILLED THEMSELVES on N3.

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Is it a safe assumption that a mafia roleblocker wouldn't be able to make the kill as well? I've seen factional kill mechanics handled both ways at MS.

@MOD: Can mafia with other actions submit both an action and factional kill on the same night in this game?

@Rift: Usually I find that mods don't allow that. I tend to assume not. Doesnt hurt to ask though.

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Yaaaaaa, that Serene post. I dont think any of the heads of that hydra are anything other than proud of their play when they are town.

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hope Serene cross-fires for us

Oh god.

Are you seriously testing the water for a semantics case based on the word 'us'?

Just turn yourself in now, it'll be more painless.

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Why haven't the better players (that obviously excludes us) or claimed PRs been killed yet????

???

A claimed PR DID die last night, why is that even relevant?

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And the likliehood of Crabd being a Mafia Blocker is all the more reason to believe you are an SK, LOL

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Yaaaaaa, that Serene post. I dont think any of the heads of that hydra are anything other than proud of their play when they are town.

nah DGB, X, and i pretty much spent the night phase bitching and complaining about being alive

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Ok, Kuribo. So who is scum? Who do you think is likely SK if not yourselves?

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@Rift: All my crap yesterday about "look at Serene's ISO"

They were approaching the BS wagon kinda cautiously which is weir seeing as how aggressive those players are. It felt like Kuribo had extra reason to believe BS was scum but didn't want to go into detail. At first I thought they were likely mafia and had some sort of info about it and BS was an SK, but then it occurred to me that this could be some soft Doctor claim and they just didn't want to CC BS but wanted her lynched anyways.

I'm pretty sure Rift adrift shouldn't be alive still, that's all I know

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Now that that is apparently not the case I'm back to the Serene=scum hypothesis which looks legit with what Crabd is claiming.

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^ Like who? What are you implying? Im not going to draw your conclusions for you, holy crap.

Who do you think is likely an SK and what do you think happened to the missing shot last night then?

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I was ninja'd, above post is at serene.

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Not nearly as cautiously as we were. TBQH we're taking everything you say with a ton of salt today.

Yes, but I'd expect that from you.

Kuribo going out of his way to monlogue about hypothetical mylo/lylo scenarios involving this is bad.

And wow, sorry for being wrong once. BS had to go, her flip is giving us a lot of info to go off anyways.

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I am kind of surprised that Rift is still here actually.

Crabd Im less surprised by.

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@Serene: Koopa was MORE conftown than the 2shot cop since the vig kills are PROVABLE. The 2shot cop is likely town too, but : ?

So your point is that one of Rift / Crabd is scum? Great, thats kinda where Im at.

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fact is we have a LOT of nights with just one kill and all of a sudden crabd pulls this "OH I ROLEBLOCKED SERENE" bullshit? fuck that

You mean the exact same thing he did with Stubbs yesterday?

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The main difference is that the blocked kill cant be explained by BabySpice this time.

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Ugh, as probable as it is that Crabd is mafia, Im SO sure that Serene is scum right now.

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Ankamius, you do realize that two of those hydra heads claimed to be MASONS WITH EACH OTHER as SCUM once.

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And you guys probably DO believe your reads are bad. I can only imagine you have been trying to SK scum and keep hitting derptownies.

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Well? Someone who is basically 99.9% likely to be a RB is claiming to have blocked you. And BS isnt around to protect from kills anymore. So UNLESS scum and SK both targeted Koopa (and I find that more than a little unlikely) then you are scum.

Or Crabd DID try to NK you in which case you are still scum. So, how is that paranoia lol.

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Ank: you are saiyng that they are town because the mason claim ws 'risky'.

Im saying that these hydra heads have a KNOWN META of making risky scum plays by CLAIMING MASONS WITH EACH OTHER AS SCUM. Your townread on them is bad.

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And I'm asking how them claiming masons as a scumpair is relevant to them claiming a mason pair with a town player. Those are two completely different situations and I don't see the link between them.

How does them claiming masons with Dram make them town at all?

It doesnt. The end.

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Well? Someone who is basically 99.9% likely to be a RB is claiming to have blocked you. And BS isnt around to protect from kills anymore. So UNLESS scum and SK both targeted Koopa (and I find that more than a little unlikely) then you are scum.

Or Crabd DID try to NK you in which case you are still scum. So, how is that paranoia lol.

TOWN roleblocker? And why is he still alive then.

And what if some faction didn't submit a kill. And what if there is actually a BP SK and the SK got X-killed but the kill was absorbed?

I dunno, maybe you and the Mafia were both counting on the other to kill him?

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I dont care. They are scum because of Kuribo's bs about lylo/mylo, their meta differences from their town games, and the fact that a roleblocker is claiming to have blocked them last night.

The fact that they claimed Masons with Dramonic is a completely null point and I could see them doing that as any alignment.

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Mmm, I want a bit of time to formulate thoughts on other players before we dive into that.

BRO, Stubbs, Shadi, Safety/Baezu, PA

has 1-2 scum in it.

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Also if Crabd flips town, Rift must die the next day regardless of anything. If I am dead, do not forget this.

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Ok, who, in your opinion(s) is scum? Who is more likely SK than not?

I grok that you think Crabd is scum but he confirmed not SK unless scum self-killed N3 anyhow.

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Also, what do you think about the possibility of Rift being scum?

Im really getting worried there. There is no way all the claimed power is town given the BS flip, but I could see it being them and them counting on the protective role to justify their continued survival.

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pigeon, you will never live post 5129 down after i flip VT

Thats ok, I'm already never living down the babyspice flip, its like a party.

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Dram is always scum though

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WAIT A MINUTE. Crabd claimed his RB on Orci BEFORE Rift claimed their track results?

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soooo you're saying you know we're not mafia?

He already said he doubted you would be making the scum kill if you were mafia.

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That was because of the track.

Except Crabd claimed a legit role before he even needed to justify having targeted a dead body with it >.>

That is a huge difference than you outing your role and him falling back on an RB claim.

Basically I think one of you/Crabd is scum, Serene is prob-SK, and last 1/2 scums in Baezu/SD, PA, Stubbs with Stubbs being pretty likely if Crabd is town

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Ok. Worst case scenario, 3 mafia and an SK left imo. 6:3:1. If Crabd is town and there are 2 scum kills tonight, that goes to 3:3:1 at which point mafia basically have won.

Ugh, that is zero wiggle room.

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You are also possible scum. I encourage town to remember that on day 7.

This is doing nothing to convince me of your good intentions.

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Nope.

Just gonna stop you right there.

And I would rather lynch Serene than Crabd all things considered.

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If it makes you feel better, Im paranoid that you are realizing that you will be unable to justify your continued survival at night so you are trying to take Crabd down before you go. Which is why Id rather let you both go to night and remove someone who is responsible for 50% of the anti-town kills in the game.

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: ), Well if you are town then lynching Serene/Crabd is kind of arbitrary since both are probscum. But Im quite certain Serene is scum regardless of your alignment.

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:/

Not seeing where your sudden anger is from, ffery. And its 100% not my fault if you can't read me.

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How likely do you think it is that Serene is SK?

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AngryPidgeon-Was town as fuck, but pushing me alongside the obv SK feels like setting up a non-maf lynch in both cases

The obv SK that YOU ARE VOTING.

Wow.

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Sorry for absence, way overbooked again. :/, in an offsite turbo game with people from different backgrounds. And it really is turbo by MS standards.

So SafetyDance is probably mafia.
Crabd is probably mafia.
Serene is still a serial killer.

I'll be on after work for real.

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Like wtf? Who the hell does that and you didn't even wait for a replacement to even clarify BS' ambiguous claim and there was still 2 days till deadline.

I see no rational reason why town!AP would come in like that and do what he did.

I was actually really clear on this.

-Baby spice claimed a role that is VERY powerful to the point of being ridiculous.
-She was claiming a role that could justify its continued survival throughout the game (effectively bulletproof) when there was already a flipped bulletproof role.
-There was too much claimed power for it all to be town and her role was the odd man out.

But basically her flip HAS to confirm Crabd. I thought a bit about it and a Mafia Tracker simply is not enough spunk to counter that role. Even if they find it, mafia just wastes a kill on her while her self-protect stops it?
No.
Mafia has to have either an RB or a strongman. There doesnt appear to be a strongman. There is a claimed RB. Crabd basically got dunked by the setup as soon as BS flipped.

SD is ignoring all my points and assigning scum motive to the action itself.
Rift, if you had to pick a 3rd scum from BROseidon, Stubbs, PA, which would you bet?

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(The first 2 being Crabd and Safety)

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VOTE: KingCrabd

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Huh actuall Serene's point about Crabd dropping the push on Stubbs is interesting.

He did just kind of forget it. And I realize that I have been saying that night actions are more meaningful now that we know BS's role is confirmed and no longer interfering with other variables, but Crabd was gung-ho about that Stubs lynch and just kind of let it fly.

Crabd/Stubbs/{SD?}

Serene you guys better just SK me tonight.

[AngryPidgeon]

And I realize that I have been saying that night actions are more meaningful now

To clarify since I'm kinda monloguing internally:

The block on Serene is more damning since both SK/scum are no longer potentially being blocked by BabySpice to explain missing kills.

A missing kill likely means maf either targeted the SK or SK got blocked. Whereas yesterday its totally possible mafia tried to kill BS/rift and that was the sponged kill. Either way, Crabd hasn't been acknowledging this at all and totally amnesia'd about that Stubbs read. Would not at all be surprised if that were a bus. And I highly doubt he would have expected Rift to track him again on that night since he was basically an obvious roleblocker at that point.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also I'm pretty sure Crabd is at L - 1.

[AngryPidgeon]

I feel like both of those questions are already pretty obvious.

[AngryPidgeon]

Phone,post.

Kuribo, feel free to whale on me now cause Im town as it gets.

I am starting to doubt my read on you after your latest bit.

PA has a track inno on her at some point right?

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm in this game at least 3 days longer than I should be so no. You can suffer with me.

This shit. Stop posting this shit if you are playing to a town wincon

[AngryPidgeon]

@mod

will a blocked action show up to a tracker?

[AngryPidgeon]

Serene, who do you guys think is scum?

[AngryPidgeon]

I am not happy with a Crab lynch, tbh. The only thing that is rewarding with that is knowing whether Rift should stay alive depending on his flip.

You should try to sell a counter wagon then : ?

Who would you lynch if you had the power?

[AngryPidgeon]

I have a question, if Serene flips scum what would your thought be of all the events that happened, and if he flips town as well?

If Serene is town, I'd look a Stubbs, Crabd, Safety with Stubbs being the SK in that.

If Crabd is town, then Rift is scum although I'd rate that at a 15% probability.

[AngryPidgeon]

BRO, what is your read on me and why?

[AngryPidgeon]

1. FTR, I quickhammered a claimed SK because it was a claimed Sk....the only time I've ever been in a situation to do so. Statefarm mafia.
2. Right, Im unafraid to lynch PRs because that how I roll.

^ Look at me lynching Cop claims that I don't like.

3. How do you know an SK is going to kill scum, lol. SKs are anti-town and need to be lynched. They dont just go away on their own because they are BULLETPROOF.

4. How do you even know Serene is SK and not mafia? Also, I'm voting Crabd with you iirc.

What would you thin about me if Serene flipped town?

[AngryPidgeon]

Shut up Kuribo. No one is voting you.

[AngryPidgeon]

1) Not sure what this has to do with anything.

2) could be playstyle issue, then. Still not going to give you a free pass on it.

3) SK is playing to his own wincon. His wincon right now includes finding and killing scum. It's like how town needs to work with the minority scumgroup in multiball to target the majority scumgroup.

4) Crabd doesn't have an incentive to lie about his RB target if he's town or scum roleblocker. Mafia should want the SK gone right now because it removes and NK that could hit them and delay their win by a day. So, unless Crabd isn't a roleblocker at all (unlikely given how his claim in response to RA played out, and the fact that RA has tracked him to someone who didn't die), the missing kill needs to be accounted for. Serene being blocked out of the kill is the only thing that could have happened unless either the SK and mafia both targeted TK or the mafia have some sort of defensive role. So if you take that Crabd is scum, by extension Serene is the SK unless you're willing to say that they're partners who intentionally blocked themselves out of a kill.

If Serene flips, town, I'd still think you're part of the mafia group with Crabd and SD. The only way my read changes on you is if one of Stubbs/Shadi/PA/RA flip mafia.

1) I posted town meta of me quickhammering an SK because they were an SK... Your point that SK hunting is anti-town/scum is terrible anyhow.

2) I blame mini 1385. Theplague42 fake claimed Doctor on D1 and I kept wanting to give him a pass. I don't need PRs to carry my team.

3) Except not at all? The most pro-town thing is to eliminate a anti-town kill if you are actually a decent town player so the game isn't just a clownfuckery of rando kills going out every night and making day play less valuable.

4) Right, also Rift confirmed he targeted Serene. You literally just said that there are two other explanations for only one kill and then conclude that Serene -has- to be an SK because crabd targeted them? Like, that is just too dumb to even be scum. At least maf would try and me consistent. RA and Crabd are mutually exclusive right now. There pretty much HAS to be exactly one scum in there for setup reasons. Wooo setup reasons like what got BS lynched, look at all the fucks Im giving.

You just listed basically everyone still inn this game other than Ank as plausible scum. I don't get your obsession with my wanting to lynch Serene and now dont. And in all seriousness, I'm p sure they are town right now.

[AngryPidgeon]

you don't think it's the least bit fishy that EVERY FUCKING PERSON in the game wants to call me scum


and yet no one is voting me?


gimme a break, man

What is fishy about it if EVERYONE is doing it?

Who exactly is fishy, for fucks sake.

Also I was hoping we could both be town and just scream at people, can we ^^

[AngryPidgeon]

I kinda want to scream at BROseidon, but he seems like hes just dumb.

Whats your read on Stubbs?

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm here. Sorry. Reading through now.

Also I was maf with Safety recently and this is scum-Safety for those who can't tell.

Hes pretty transparent.

[AngryPidgeon]

Worst case scenario is 6:3:1, if we misylnch its 5:3:1 -> possibly 3:3:1 tomorrow worst case.

So its not lylo/mylo, but its pretty fucking close.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm here. Sorry. Reading through now.

Also I was maf with Safety recently and this is scum-Safety for those who can't tell.

Hes pretty transparent.

He's Brian Hollywood, that slot has been scum from the very beginning.

Well, I'm down to lynch it if you are.

[AngryPidgeon]

Aight, Im gonna guess its Crabd, Safety mafia. Stubbs SK. If there is another mafia, cross that bridge later.

[AngryPidgeon]

Uh, yes?

Who do you think is the SK then? Rift? Crabd? Ank?

@Rift: Id be more inclined to believe TK was double killed than you getting shot?

[AngryPidgeon]

Sure, its dumb either way. There could also be a mafia doctor or something around.

[AngryPidgeon]

Or mafia shot the SK last night.

FUCK why are you implying you were shot at? There is no logical reason to believe that. And you are trying to get me to direct scumhunting efforts to who would be 'dumb enough' to shoot you.

How about this. Do YOU have any theories? Or can we just lynch the guy who is confirmed scum in the event you are town?

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: crabd

in the interim.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm here. Terribly terribly sorry.

I'll catch up tonight.

[AngryPidgeon]

Herp derp.

VOTE: Crabd

Lynch ALL the power roles.

[AngryPidgeon]

I guess Im interested in hearing who he blocked last night but lets take this one day at a time, I'll hold your hand if you hold mine.

P-edit: Oh shit. I've been siteflaking over the past 2 weeks.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

Scum slot is still made of scum and slot.

Rift flipping town makes this one a no-brainer.

[AngryPidgeon]

Sup Jacob, you scum as well?

[AngryPidgeon]

Kuribo, why is my scum-radar just giving me a blank when I point it at you this game?

That lylo spec was eyebrow raising levels of WHAT back on the BS lynch day. And you keep insisting ya'll are town, but Im gonna go out on a limb and guess that Crabd is gonna claim a block on you (why wouldnt he do it again if it worked yesterday?) so the reality of the situation is that you are probably an SK and your attempts to find scum are influenced by that.

Your little crap about claiming BP with Dramonic is apparently getting scrubs to townread you.

ALL THE REREADS. Im almost done with a very fast paced offsite game that is draining my mafia time, so more active here very shortly.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh right Crabd got replaced. But still the slot owner is mafia and he seemed pretty sure it was you guys, so.

[AngryPidgeon]

Someone that previously held your slot, obviously.

Am I scum too? In addition to you? :S Negative ghostrider, Im town as the city of townsville. We have a Serial Killer because there is a confirmed/flipped Vig and 3 sources of NKs so far. So there is either ANOTHER vig in the game who decided not to CC Koopa back when (nope) or 2 mafia factions (we're fucked if that is the case), or an SK.

So its an SK. And SKs are generally BP/Inv-immune in larges. Hell, they are generally BP anyways.

Quick Recap: Crabd is a Mafia roleblocker. If he claims to have blocked Serene again, then Serene is pretty much SK.

[AngryPidgeon]

Dram has been dead since forever and he was BP town.

There pretty much has to be an SK and that SK is 99% likely to be BP at this point.

Screw you ffery, you just couldn't take my olive branch and wagon Crabd when it was there. Leave me here in the 4th quarter, down 21 points. Making hail mary plays like its GOING OUT OF STYLE.

[AngryPidgeon]

You couldn't at least lynch SafetyDance? Stubbs was only suspect because of the claimed block which we have CONFIRMED to be on serene on a night when there were
1) Less obfuscating factors to mitigate kills other than the block
2) Confirmation of the target
3) Reason to believe the kill that went through was mafia rather than SK.

Derp derp de doop. If I speculated that Stubbs could be mafia with Crabd at any point, I apologize but ffs that means LYNCH CRABD NOT STUBBS.

[AngryPidgeon]

And seeing how this game is statistically unwinnable (unless its 2 mafia left I guess), its just all trolling all the time from me.

Hell, I think we are so in the hole the SK should just claim. Become confirmed, help us find mafia and if it gets to you in endgame: ok. Its just an acceptable risk at this point.

[AngryPidgeon]

Im going to reread some bits and parts, but I could probably be convinced to lynch the JS slot today.

That JS entry post was so "oh look how lost I am, I have no idea whats going on"

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok.

Probable SK: Kuribo
Scum: RC, Jacob

We have applications available for one more scumslot, send in your resumes now!

Put "I wanna be the final scum" in the header so I can sift it outta my junk mail.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm sure there is an excellent reason for that.

But JS is going to flip scum so meh.

[AngryPidgeon]

You seriously couldn't figure out who Brian hollywood was given the context or made a GUESS?

I mean come on. And Im talking about the air of your post overall, not just that one liner.

[AngryPidgeon]

I suspect a 4-man scumteam + SK

With that in mind, killing the RB and having him flip town is shit, or him flipping scum and going back to 2 kills a night is also shit.

Well, this is certainly more optimistic than my worldview.

If this were the case, I would have no problem lynching the SK. Id rather plan for the worst though. And if the worst is the worst, we lose if we lynch the SK. Unless Crabd actually IS town and can block a kill tonight, but I doubt it.

That said, I'd probably be fine with lynching that slot pending an ISO skim, but I REALLY think Crabd is the right move today. Im 99% sure that slot is scum.

hell, SK needs to be shooting scum if it can at this point. We could probably VOTE on who the SK should target and they would do it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Claiming BP = claiming masons. Oops.

Well did you shoot Rift? :S

If you guys thought she was mafia, that kill makes complete sense.

Either way, I don't think you are scum with Crabd and we should probably keep you around if you are SK anyways.

[AngryPidgeon]

Like if the Crabd slot reports a block on you again (and why wouldn't it??) then all the more reason to leave you alive, lol.

[AngryPidgeon]

I can't believe I fell for Baezu's vague cheerleading when I tried to counterwagon her.

I'm better than this.

[AngryPidgeon]

Epiphanies:
Serene

THANK YOU MOD FOR RECOGNIZING MY MOMENT OF PERSONAL GROWTH

Actually just lold.

[AngryPidgeon]

Huh, doesnt look like I missed much other than a Stubbs flashwagon while I was flaking.

Serene is still the worlds cheekiest SK.

Rift trolled herself harder than I ever could have.

[AngryPidgeon]

For FUCKS sake.

Town Bulletproof, Tracker, 2xVig, 2xCop, White Mage, Roleblocker.

Zero flipped mafia PRs. Versus a Doctor that can infinitely protect itself and another PR.

You know which one of these roles doesn't exist? Town Roleblocker. There is absolutely no way Town also has a roleblocker on top of all this OP shit. You know what team probably DOEs have a n RB to stop the OP town shit? The mafia team.

Not to mention Crabd is basically just pushing whoever he feels like at the time in order to stay alive.

--
This is quite possibly LyLo with town's win chance looking shitty. So no, the SK has 100% motivation to shoot scum and they CAN if we remove the fucking mafia roleblocker. You can howl all you want about wanting to troll and kill claimed PRs, that is throwing the game and I know you are better than that.

And gosh its so interesting how Ankamius is over there voting ur fav lynch from yesterday and you are on me now?

[AngryPidgeon]

town doesn't need cross-kills, scum does.

Actually, it does.

Assume its 4:3:1 because it probably is, also worse case.

We lynch a serial killer. 4:3

goes to night.

Crabd misses his RB

Crabd is mafia. 3:3

GG.

What are you even playing at?

[AngryPidgeon]

PPPPPPPPEDIT: I'm pretty sure scum have daytalk. I also think the bulletproof guy is scum. That leaves you.

What are you even talking about.

[AngryPidgeon]

1) I have only vague intentions of reading that until maybe after we lynch your slot because wow.
2) Why is day chat remotely relevant to the conversation?
3) Why are you voting me?

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, if supposedly it was in scum's interest to leave SK up to cross kill... why did I role block the SK?

Because its not in the scums interest to let the SK cross kill...which is exactly what Ive been saying.

[AngryPidgeon]

Right. So you decided to just randomly discredit me and vote me from left field..

[AngryPidgeon]

Right well I have explained that, and your vote on me is admitted omgus.

And I don't know what BP you are talking about. I wasnt in the game when Dram was.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also I'd like to point out that Ffery was saying exactly what I am now saying and she ended up dead.

[AngryPidgeon]

So anyone that calls you scum...is scum. Got it.

Glad to know you aren't even trying to scumread me for a legit reason.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wow.

[AngryPidgeon]

That is some pretty bad (and wrong) logic.

[AngryPidgeon]

Im guessing Rift was the maf kill. Which makes complete sense because she wants Crabd dead and Crabd is maf.

[AngryPidgeon]

K, I think we both know that is a lie.

[AngryPidgeon]

I wasnt in the game when Dram was here and I have no idea.

[AngryPidgeon]

Im a VT. GG no re.

[AngryPidgeon]

K, I think we both know that is a lie.

[AngryPidgeon]

lmao.

[AngryPidgeon]

I <3 DGB.

(But srsly are you guys the SK?)

Cause dat damage control.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh my god. I own a coffee maker.

This is just one of the many aspects of living on my own where I dont make coffee when I want it...but mostly cause its not socially acceptable to make coffee at night.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd point it out but Im simultaneously playing games of LoL endlessly.

Cowbells is so so mafia. Serene is probably the SK they win by lynching today.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes yes, town points for you too Bro.

[AngryPidgeon]

Serene is also voting you.

Do you think BRO and I are maf?

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually I may be ok with Serene getting blocked another night. They are probably shooting at me.

[AngryPidgeon]

Mmmmmmm hm. Thats about all I needed to hear

UNVOTE: RC
VOTE: Jacob

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, you are totally scum if you don't vote for RC!!
Ya, screw that AtF.

Im totally fine with lynching JAcob->Cowbells and then seeing if its likely kingmaker or what from there.

[AngryPidgeon]

Side note: I strongly doubt Roleblocker is the only mafia PR, ESPECIALLY if there are only 4 total.

[AngryPidgeon]

Kuribo's attempts to SK hunt to show they are not actually the SK is still laughable.

[AngryPidgeon]

And yes actually it was confirmed by the flipped Town Tracker that you were blocked two nights ago and there was only one kill.

So either the SK killed Koopa (and is a complete idiot) or is you. I guess its possible scum shot SK and the SK killed koopa but nawwww.