you could not hammer but instead vote someone you think is actually scumIn post 5332, Baezu wrote:AK and desp are null to scum. I know bulba is at L-1 but I'm not sure I want to hammer.
like rena
you could not hammer but instead vote someone you think is actually scumIn post 5332, Baezu wrote:AK and desp are null to scum. I know bulba is at L-1 but I'm not sure I want to hammer.
6 days before deadline and no additional people have promised to lynch Nero Cain with you.In post 5289, Bulbazak wrote:We have 8 days before deadline. I'm in no hurry to move my vote. Let's talk.
after this?In post 5308, Rena wrote:If I'm no lynched today: hey dude, if you're a town PR who blocked me, don't do that again? x.x I'm pretty sure KK targetted ThAd anyway and thats why neither of us could action.
In post 5217, CrashTextDummie wrote:Hm. I suppose the implication here is that she's fabricating reads/inventing reasons to suspect people and I can see that. It's hard to picture this coming from a pro-town mindset and I concede that it's a point against her.In post 5204, Nachomamma8 wrote:You don't have a problem with her saying that she was getting suspicious of me because of the cases against me and then being completely unable to come close to summarizing any of the cases against me?In post 5199, CrashTextDummie wrote:To my knowledge, Rena hasn't done anything heinous either (except under-contribute, which in her case is more likely the result of her never really getting into the game but sticking around because she drew a PR, than of her being scum, in my opinion).
This being multiball, she shouldn't have to invent reasons to suspect people as scum. It does look like bullshitting though, and that's more likely coming from scum not giving much of a shit than from town not giving much of a shit.
Still don't think she should be lynched today, as she's keeping ThAd from being messed with either way.
No.In post 5341, Nero Cain wrote:You have a scum read on this slot now?
yes i'm trying to push lynchesIn post 5357, Baezu wrote:Nacho is scummy for trying to push lynches, like the latest one:
And I suppose there's also the possibility that there is no scum roleblocker and ThAd/Bulbazak got jailkept and after Rena saw ThAd's kill not go through Rena thought that she would be safe to claim that she was blocked based on her understanding of how jailkeepers work re: #5311.In post 5365, CrashTextDummie wrote:The alternative theory in which Rena is scum is that her own team blocked ThAd, in which case her claim to have targeted him herself with no result makes no sense at all, for similar reasons. All theories involving Rena-scum basically assume that she's falling on her own sword for no apparent reason, and I really don't see why this is supposed to be more likely than scenarios that have KK in the mix and allow for her to be town.
Your voting history was three votes long at the time of the votecount you quoted. Mine is two long, and many others have shorter VCH's.In post 5375, PeregrineV wrote:In 15 days, let's sum up your scumhunting:
Cephrir: Rena->PeregrineV->Rena
from 37 posts.
So, make a significant contribution or get vigged.
and still no one wants to join the nero cain wagonIn post 5379, mastin2 wrote:4 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes.
===========[]In post 5469, penguin_alien wrote:...so we have a doctor + a JK in the game? Mm-hm. Not buying it. Especially with the lack of declared targets. Desperado, any indication in your neighborhood exchanges that this is possibly true?
and his name is pere!In post 5494, ThAdmiral wrote:Yeah there pretty much has to be one scum out of ctd/pere.
bacde wasn't scum, trust meIn post 5496, ffullisade wrote:also why did baezu sub in if all he is going to do is immediately go on v/la and try to lurk out the rest of the game?
no
sorry ctd i was a bad kidIn post 5509, CrashTextDummie wrote:Nacho acknowledging that he was making a terrible push against Rena doesn't really mitigate the fact that he was making a terrible push against Rena, but the way half the wagon followed him onto Seanald like a flock of sheep makes him not the worst offender on this list.
In post 5071, Nachomamma8 wrote:What do you think of Rena/Peregrine?In post 5065, Bulbazak wrote:but if you can get a Seanald wagon going, I'll gladly switch. Which reminds me...
In post 5335, Nachomamma8 wrote:6 days before deadline and no additional people have promised to lynch Nero Cain with you.In post 5289, Bulbazak wrote:We have 8 days before deadline. I'm in no hurry to move my vote. Let's talk.
While if you come over here we can have Thad, Baezu and Amethyst Kitty and actually get a lynch. How much longer are you going to try to push your vanity wagon through?
In post 5347, Nachomamma8 wrote:Bulbazak, has Rena produced any valuable information? No. And watchers are strong as fuck. Do you really think it's that impossible for a different investigative role not to have any valuable information at this point if one even exists?
I appealed to Bulbazak so many fucking times yesterday, CTD. While Bulbazak was getting death tunneled by pretty much half of the town, I begged the shit out of him to please please vote Rena with me. Please, Bulbazak, just vote Rena with me. Bulbazak, like the good fucking townie he is, told me that he didn't give a shit about my begging and pleading and (correctly!) told me thousands and thousands of times that fuck that he was going to attack Nero until Nero died. He told me that he would join a SEANALD wagon if one appeared, but he wouldn't join my Rena wagon. Tell me what scum wouldn't jump on the Rena wagon with the perfect fucking excuse to. None of them. Do you think he was really that eager to protect the Mafia doctor? OK. Then why the hell didn't he protect the mafia doctor and lynch the watcher?In post 5389, Nachomamma8 wrote:and still no one wants to join the nero cain wagonIn post 5379, mastin2 wrote:4 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes.
pv, what the fuck are you doing?
ThAd read takes priority; doesn't make sense for redscum to have two killstoppers or for bluescum to have two roleblockers, so if we kill bluescum and there's no roleblockers, then ThAd dies instantly. The reads aren't necessarily mutually exclusive: if PV flips redscum, I'll be extremely suspicious of ThAd. If PV flips bluescum then I'd rather sort out the other blue before sorting Thad, if that makes sense.In post 5523, penguin_alien wrote:Which of these reads takes priority for you, Nacho? Or are they not mutually exclusive?
6 scum would be the normal for one team. I'm guessing there will be more scum because multiball.In post 5583, ffullisade wrote:^^^^In post 5582, Bulbazak wrote:It does to me too. I'm just wondering why you're thinking 2 teams of 4 instead of 2 teams of 3.In post 5581, Nachomamma8 wrote:Because 10 scum at the beginning of the game seems a bit excessive.
This has been discussed and the speculation here is useless.In post 5612, Bulbazak wrote:he's in a neighborhood with a vig.?
We don't know if the same team shot Thor and Kublai Khan. I wouldn't be that convinced even if that was the case because both were protown and highly regarded as town at the time of their deaths.In post 5528, PeregrineV wrote:Refute it.
You expected CTD to vote the person without a wagon on them...?In post 5578, Bulbazak wrote:I didn't like the way you pushed me yesterday. Your primary reason was that you thought I was scum partners with Nero and that we were distancing from each other. Yet, with your primary case on Nero, you were voting for me instead. Later, you said that you still thought Nero was scum, but that we were not partners. However, you still kept your vote on me. All your reasons for voting me yesterday were repeatedly countered, yet you continued to push them almost out of desperation.
He does this every game, this is wrong.In post 5578, Bulbazak wrote:I also feel that my initial gut read of the massclaim suggestion was correct in that it was rolefishing.
You're doing an awful lot of reading.In post 5584, Human Destroyer wrote:a) know he was a vig before he claimed it (didn't he claim like Day 3 or something? I could be wrong on this)
In post 5493, ThAdmiral wrote:I shot hd last night. I was blocked again, obviously, but this time it didn't cost me one of my x-shots. So I guess I was blocked in a different way?
thad = scum arguments officially make no fucking sense whatsoeverIn post 5664, mastin2 wrote:By my interpretation, any X-shot role being roleblocked will not lose their shot, vigilantes included.
By my interpretation, a vigilante shooting at someone being protected expends their bullet.
It's like the difference between town you and scum you sometimes. Not as much *lately*, but. Plus Bacde was incredibly fucking town how can you say anything else???In post 5693, ffullisade wrote:In both of her town games, she looked unsure, hesitant, and kinda looking around for a direction to take. In her scum game she looked more confident. Compare the cases she made in her scum game to her cases in her town game. And to here.
if you don't have a witty retort, then don't say anything at allIn post 5699, Human Destroyer wrote:ahahahahaIn post 5697, Nachomamma8 wrote:It's like the difference between town you and scum you sometimes. Not as much *lately*, but. Plus Bacde was incredibly fucking town how can you say anything else???In post 5693, ffullisade wrote:In both of her town games, she looked unsure, hesitant, and kinda looking around for a direction to take. In her scum game she looked more confident. Compare the cases she made in her scum game to her cases in her town game. And to here.
no
oh hey this is why hd suspects bacdeIn post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man
I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it
I can't handle all these walls
This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?
he complimented your playstyle and that is scummy? why?In post 5704, Human Destroyer wrote:this was around the time where my posting was sparse due to me being busyIn post 5702, Nachomamma8 wrote:oh hey this is why hd suspects bacdeIn post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man
I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it
I can't handle all these walls
This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up
the fact that he chose to compliment this supposed "playstyle" combined with the fact that he always tries to get on my good side when he's scum is sus as fuck
he complimented your playstyle and that is scummy? why?In post 5704, Human Destroyer wrote:this was around the time where my posting was sparse due to me being busyIn post 5702, Nachomamma8 wrote:oh hey this is why hd suspects bacdeIn post 4927, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 4887, Bacde wrote:HD I'm coming to really appreciate you in my games man
I mean, I already did, but I can see that you are somewhat changing your playstyle and I love it
I can't handle all these walls
This is the most sus post you've made so far. Why did you feel the need to make this?
i am fairly disgusted in myself for even looking this up
the fact that he chose to compliment this supposed "playstyle" combined with the fact that he always tries to get on my good side when he's scum is sus as fuck
so why PV?In post 5728, ThAdmiral wrote:But from my perspective, since I know I'm town, its a 50/50.
I've been thinking about them. Generally I find more scum in multiball than normal since crosskills, but that might be an incorrect assumption. I don't think PV is scum, but I also don't really think that it makes sense for a random vig to be tossed into the neighborhood. We're probably lacking on power roles at this point, so why is a vig given the benefit of a townie he can talk to while every other power role is completely isolated?In post 5709, Bulbazak wrote:@Nacho: You still haven't answered my questions.
I'm pretty confident that I'm not voting him for activity level. Why are you interpreting things differently?In post 5724, Amethyst Kitty wrote:considering he was less then active when he was playing with me then I'm not really inclined to vote him based on activity level
In the end, I think that town is more likely to do something for the town ESPECIALLY if he had a strong read on his neighbor being scum and especially if he was continually getting roleblocked. He's been a useless sack of shit for a while now and I'm not so confident I'm more willing to believe that town would put us through this before scum would.In post 5732, Bulbazak wrote:The "I don't give a crap" attitude is more indicative of town in this instance than scum, as I would think scum in his position would be more compliant with the town.
probably not.In post 5744, Baezu wrote:Could all three of PV, HD, and CTD be scum?
sorry but you're going to have to rephrase this so I can understand youIn post 5746, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I'm pretty sure you are Nacho, but I'm not entirely sure if I can buy your reasons for suspecting him and the best reason I can personally come up with is his lack of investment in this game
neighbors sorting each other out is an interaction that is older than time itself.In post 5752, Bulbazak wrote:Why are scum given the benefit of a townie to talk to when figuring out their night actions? I'm not sure how strong a point that is and how that would really effect the balance in the long run. And if we are shorter on PRs than is usual, wouldn't it be better balance-wise to pair a townie with the vig?
I'm looking forward to this!In post 5754, CrashTextDummie wrote:Unvote
Need to regroup. I have a couple hours to reread tomorrow.
Remind me why this matters?In post 5758, Human Destroyer wrote:no one on my wagon has actually voiced suspicion before this game day (except maybe Nacho idr for sure, but I'm 99% sure no one else has).
This means something different. Not to mention:In post 5759, Human Destroyer wrote:Alright, maybe I'll word this differently.
He only tries to get on my good side as scum, never as town.
He ended up working with you for pretty much the entire of the time he was alive. Would you like to word it differently again?Bacde wrote:Vote: Mastin
look at this guys I'm sheeping HD
I never thought it would happenbut it is
Bulbazak and I were talking about neighborhood interactions. My position was wrong and I will explain that shortly.In post 5760, penguin_alien wrote:Then too, I'm not following what Nachomamma8 is saying here:
His push on Baezu, especially when his push on Bacde is not something he explored while Bacde was alive and now he somehow has some meta reason for finding Bacde scum that has already been proven wrong a couple of times.In post 5767, PeregrineV wrote:Is there an actual Human Destroyer case from the 5 HD voters? My biggest scum indicators came more from his hydra and Om's plays, although his play this game has been subpar.
Where has Mala been?
I could agree with you on this point, maybe.In post 5785, Bulbazak wrote:To be honest, I'd rather lynch CTD-scum, get the information from the flip and the NK, and then go from there.
probably AK at this point.In post 5816, Nachomamma8 wrote:last scum is between AK and PA i guess. i sort of have a tendency to turn on AK at this point in time and haven't been right yet but who fucking knows hey
do you see why i am suspicious of you?In post 5819, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Apparently you're just fucking wrong at reading me or you're scum.
well actually this might have some sort of meritIn post 5819, Amethyst Kitty wrote:No. I disagree with PereV. I agree that Despo could be conf-town, but PereV I disagree with.
come on mara this is ffery saying that nacho is town and OK to sheep.In post 5796, ffullisade wrote:My strong townreads look like yours, but you're one of them.
you can give me your scumlist or else i'll probably ignore you.In post 5840, PeregrineV wrote:Would like to see everyone's town-scum-scumcolor list.
In post 5823, Nachomamma8 wrote:oh shush i fucked up and didn't have enough scumreads to go around and thought i had to be paranoid
In post 5816, Nachomamma8 wrote:last scum is between AK and PA i guess. i sort of have a tendency to turn on AK at this point in time and haven't been right yet but who fucking knows hey
nacho town = mollie town.In post 5851, penguin_alien wrote:If I'm wrong about something, I'd expect to have misread Nacho over the various mollie hydras, but I also know I'm bad at reading mollie-scum. Which makes that kind of a wash.
because nacho-blue scum would bus the living fuck out of his living competent partner out of the blue.In post 5856, Desperado wrote:Thezmon's is the most interesting and I think it means that Bacde was right about Nacho the whole time--he really is the last blue scum.
you and desperado are town today.In post 5861, ffullisade wrote:Would you clarify who are in your scum pile and who are in your town pile?
yup OKIn post 5877, Human Destroyer wrote:ugh, I'm just going to sheep desperado at this point
VOTE: Nacho