NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

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Skim: I read the first few posts, skim the next page looking at votecounts, vote without thinking, go back to sleep.

Wow.

Such town.

Obfuscate scummy actions with stupid.

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Why do I not want 80% the players in this game anywhere near lylo?

Because this game is full of ~geniuses~

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1

coupled with the thought that a scum could self-hammer which did not go through her mind were the reasons why.

2

It boils down to whether or not you let her play the newb card. Based on her recent posts, I'm willing to let this one slide.

1) Easy to lie about

2) No

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Its appalling. Trademark easy mislynch wagon driven by scum

Any of the same scum that drove the other mislynches, that bussed Orc, or that were suspected by the NK victims?

AFB...

Show me where I drove the Sakura lynch.

(nb: This hydra is functionally BROseidon as AP is on a mafia break indefinitely)

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Dat trajectory+ignoring facts+ignoring the fact that I called him out on lying.

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(although the lack of sangres/MC Maraca is uncomfortable)

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Guyett are you scum with sangres?

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Last time Hermy was scummy like this... she was scum...

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AA9's chronicles of Narnia mafia.

pedit: HOLY FUCK p5 are you not reading the game.

claimed follower, N1 followed Orc and got that he killed, N2 hit a protective role.

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(not sure if he ever actually used "follower," but that's what the role is called)

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Anyone else find it strange that Guyett said MC claimed role cop when the wording in 2087 indicates follower?

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You think Freudian slip?

I want to hear how not me/Cabd/ffery/Nacho/Ceph people responded to 2087.

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I'm not entirely sure how that could be a freudian slip unless you're suggesting [redacted].

I'm not sure what to make of it, is the problem. I also want to check how other people responded to the claim.

If Maraca is a follower, there is no way it ("it" for hydra) could be certain of orc's assignment if orc didn't perform the night kill

Please tell me you don't believe this.

I've been thinking about this out of thread a little. If Cabd were lying, there would be some really obvious parallels to a certain other game, which I modded.

I find it hard to believe he would try to pull that shit with me in the game.

On the other hand, this is Cabd we're dealing with.

Can you be more explicit here?

I think this one is my favourite... If you highly doubted he was scum why follow him?

Are you even trying at this point?

That isn't a good reason.

If they claimed follower and didn't target orc that night, in fact, I would lynch them on the fucking spot, so.

Cephrir continues to demonstrate basic levels of intelligence.

then how come, as an outed PR, you've survived to D3 having already caught one scum?

Um...

Not saying who, but we have a protective role out there. More when I don't have a fever.

a.) If they followed orc and he was mafia but didn't make the kill, they would still get "orcinus did nothing". He claimed cop.

b.) what the actual FUCK is post 2257.

This.

Also assuming your claim is in fact true and that you would be following Orc why in anyone's right mind would scum allow orc to do the kill?!? it makes no fucking sense!!!

I'm calling bullshit on this follower claim

Apparently, since the intelligence level of this game is like 2, and the only people who can see this are me and Ceph, let me spell it out for you:

A NO ACTION FROM ORC WOULD ALSO HAVE BEEN A FUNCTIONAL GUILTY. IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD.

I'd still be down for lynching RC. The random tunneling+constant use of stupid still fills me with the burning desire to lynch it into the ground.

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The protective role should claim.
1. If no protective role claims, we lynch Maraca.
2. If a protective role claims, we have two confirmed Town and scum have to decide who to kill.
a. If they try to kill Maraca, protective role has a chance to protect them, which WIFOMs the shit out of Mafia.
b. If they try to kill the protective role, Maraca gets another night.

Plus Maraca already knows who it is, so he can call out whoever fakeclaims.

No.

Round before LyLo is when the claim should happen.

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What has happened to sangres actually>

Nacho's laptop got stolen. No idea where ffery is.

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I'm okay with that townblock, although my read on TIP is me sheeping Cabd's read on him. I'm also a bit nervous about sangres, since I'm expecting a bit bigger of a presence from ffery. I would structure the townblock like:

Core:

Me
Toomai
Ceph
MC
TIP

Outer:

Sangres
Yessiree

Guyett, why would you call yourself "low-hanging fruit" over... everyone that MC didn't put in the block sans yessiree?

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Also, I rule you drool.

Wtf why does me running this hydra solo have that many posts relative to everyone else.

wtf is this shit.

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The fact that you're only ~20 posts ahead of me is disconcerting.

Almost as disconcerting as me having the 2nd highest post count.

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Toomai, Hermy is not the optimal lynch today. It's easy to jump on her wagon using the anti-town L-1 vote on orc. This is the problem; both towns and scums can use this reason to push for her lynch and it is very difficult to differentiate one group from the other.

Implicit in this statement is the assumption that Hermy's town.

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I got banned for being so certain that Hermy was scum because of shit like that, when she was actually town.

I will not make that mistake again.

You don't get banned for thinking people are scum and pushing.

You get banned for pulling stupid shit.

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one third of it is wailing and hissing at bauss

one third of it is flinging dirt on orc's voters

the remaining one third is being a scrub and other misc.

no enough l's and o's.

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who the hell makes a post on mafiascum then proceed to take a shit

oh well that's unfortunate

Me, all the time.

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Sometimes I post while taking a shit ^_^

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I'd rather lynch Hermy or RC over Guyett. Nacho, convince me that Guyett is a better lynch than either of those two.

and RC, you're never getting NK'd. You'll be like ns, making round before LyLo as an IC for being dead weight.

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You should know by now that you can't push mislynches on me without looking horrible yourself.

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Cabd, ignore RC. He has 0 intelligence and isn't worth your time. Everyone on my wagon is functionally retarded

VOTE: guyett

sangres I wish you'd given me your fucking case before I was forced into this.

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RC your lack of intelligence is baffling.

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Toomai, Hermy is not the optimal lynch today. It's easy to jump on her wagon using the anti-town L-1 vote on orc. This is the problem; both towns and scums can use this reason to push for her lynch and it is very difficult to differentiate one group from the other.

Implicit in this statement is the assumption that Hermy's town.

what's your point?

got something to say? say it to my face

Why do you think Hermy's town?

She's being scummy: lurking except when under pressure, making shit arguments that hold 0 water, and behaving in explicitly anti-town ways.

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Is it a coincidence that the people refusing to vote AFB are mainly my scumreads?

I'm so sorry that you aren't able to get town to mislynch on itself.

Let me play you the world's smallest violin while I verbally eviscerate your scum ass into the ground.

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Do you even read the thread?

Apparently your definition of "explain" is worse than Bauss's.

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I'd think Guyett is scum based on his play but literally every single scumread of mine is on his wagon.

So, there's no way that lynch is happening. Now get AFB.

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Some of the smart people (read: people pushing for AFB)

See above image.

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And please, nobody tell me about how they don't want me in LyLo before they take a look at TIP's play.

Putting Orc at L-1 was the dumbest move this game.

TIP's play's been fine other than the awkward dance around the Orc claim.

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This is me confirming that I used a protective shot on MC last night. That's why I was getting defensive about the "why are they alive" point.

I'm not substantiating beyond that because ~reasons~

You scum read Bro in that game. he flipped scum. he didn't trounce you. gif/nacho and muffin trounced the town there but from looking at your iso you suspected both slots but didn't push it. (you on muffin and ffer on gif/nacho)

Major difference in that game is the fact that I was trying to get scumread because cabd/ffery were a one-directional lover to me. Major takeaway of that game was that I manipulated the read on me enough to time my lynch to be when I wanted it to be, and I obfuscated my team mates enough that after I died there were a few easy mislynches lined up (including the person who started the push on me).

Because I am utterly incapable of reading Hermy.

This sentence is a blatant lie. Lack of contraction + use of intensifier to amplify honesty. I can smell the duper's delight through my computer.

I almost didn't investigate him because I was so sure he was scum.

You don't investigate your scumreads.

Vote AFB

I expect more from you :/

RC's claim is BS. He's trying to squeak out a mislynch b/c his scum team knows he's dead weight. I wouldn't be surprised if they have an encryptor and include one of the people who picked up on MC's crumbs.

VOTE: RC

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I use linguistic analysis a lot; I'm a linguistics major, and I've seen Waynegg use it to great effect.

Unlike Bauss, though, I know what I'm talking about.

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RC's a shit player making a shit play that was set up poorly.

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10/10 this game.

VOTE: Hermy

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I feel like this game is me/MC/Ceph/TIP chatting with each other, sangres coming in at times tracking the convo, and everyone else having no idea what's going on.

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The fuck is this shit

I'm operating under the assumption that scum have an encryptor and got desperate.

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Welcome to The Road to Rome + A few players

The level of play here is worse than in my newbie.

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You know as soon as either of you die the other goes instantly too?

This isn't going to last long, especially when Hermy flips town, which she's positively going to.

Posture more scum.

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If you saw me IRL you wouldn't be calling me cute.

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Ceph I expect more from you.

Read TIP's day 2 interaction with Orc. It's been obvious as what his PR is since that.

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There's even a nice list on the wiki to help you out

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I can't even... RC's claim is fake.

Why would scumTIP counterclaim an investigative result on townRC as a way to defend scumme? The RC flip would indict both of us.

You do realise if AFB is a mafia doctor and a gunsmith investigates him the mafia doctor shows up as having no gun right?

There's not a cop and gunsmith in the same setup. That's way too much power to give town.

RC is fighting alone, the scum team has multiple members. That sums up the exchange.

VOTE: AFB

Which is why I'm the leading wagon...

Wait...

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Hermy/RC/yessiree for remaining scum.

Would also explain why TIP survived last night.

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Here we go again, manipulating evidence to discredit your attackers

Using evidence to make cogent argument=manipulating evidence.

Got it.

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You do realise if AFB is a mafia doctor and a gunsmith investigates him the mafia doctor shows up as having no gun right?

There's not a cop and gunsmith in the same setup. That's way too much power to give town.

depends how strong scum pr's are...

Redirects and busdrives aren't normal.

Scum would need a roleblocker+a metric shitton of power beyond that to let that into the game, and even then it'd be rubbish.

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Hermy/RC/yessiree for remaining scum.

Would also explain why TIP survived last night.

do explain how tip surviving implicates those 3?

RC faked cop guilty on me. This play also implies an encryptor to set up the play once it become obvious that MC was on me last night.

TIP has a guilty on Hermy.

Yessiree is sheeping at the last moment using reasoning that's false to push through the mislynch on the protective PR.

All of them not being particularly strong players would explain TIP not getting shot last night.

with 17 players I'd expect a 4 man team.

pedit: entire scumteam could be caught by PRs by day 3. Orc would have had to have been a RB. It's also shit design to use 2 investigative roles+2 scumroles that can bypass them to compensate.

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I don't have a goddamn guilty on Hermy.

I read too far into it, then :/

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I'm pointing out RC is fighting alone in the verbal argument with you and MC Maraca

You're ignoring Guyett and Hermy's existence...

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AFB doc

Who says I'm a doc?

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You're a protective PR apparently...
if not doc what can you be that is both normal and fits in here?

Multiple things. Apply some critical reasoning.

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its not on the wiki.
AFB needs to do a full claim imo

"Let me not obfuscate my claim."

No.

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There's no town motivation in simultaneously trying to discredit me and not pushing a lynch on me.

Today we're my guilty, and no one else.

I've wanted you lynched all game, and pushed for you on day 1. Reason I wasn't on you now is b/c I thought TIP had a gun result on Hermy.

VOTE: RC

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Also, at no point did MC Maraca or AFB try to get me lynched.

They just wanted me discredited and ignored.

All game apparently doesn't count.

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More theory questions.

1) Why did so many people jump ship to Orc from AFB.
2) If Likeabauss died and AFB was town, scum would clearly be planning to capitalize and push that lynch safely. Yet this lynch is so difficult to pull off that a cop guilty didn't even do it. Why?
3) Why are they trying to discredit me but not trying to get other people to lynch me?

Ball is in your court, people.

1) ask Sangres. He made the push.
2) You did.
3) I still want you lynched, but we're lynching sangres first.

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if ceiphir is a SK we leash him. he has to kill AFB tonight and if he doesn't we insta lynch him tomorrow. work our way through Sangres, AFB and Mc Maraca and if the game is still active lynch ceiphir.
We have the numbers for this to work

This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

"Let's shoot the town protective PR"

Really?

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I don't want to hammer until Ceph's shot goes to a useful place.

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*facepalm*

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MC's (unless scum have some sort of rolecop), Ceph's, TIP's.

RC's and sangres's are obviously fake.

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why is RC's obviously fake?

1) I'm town.

2) I still doubt that there's both a cop and a gunsmith.

3) RC is a dumb enough player that scum probably thought they could get him to pull the "Oh I was town fakeclaiming cop b/c I was really confident" card after I flip town.

I think RC's the best shot for tonight.

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If you flip town then we auto lynch RC so what is the worry?

Because I'd rather be alive to do my work.

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:/

I expect better from you.

pedit: because it's still rubbish design.

And I still know that RC's claim's fake.

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@AFB

There you go appealing to my intelligence again.

Surely you must be able to acknowledge how this looks from my perspective.

You're seeing my frustration at having to deal with an onslaught of idiocy from when I entered this game.

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A set up of

Cop
Gunsmith
Vig

vs


Mafia doc
2 from Roleblocker/Godfather/Encryptor

seems pretty even no? probably even a little scumsided

Town can get full-confirmed scum by PRs by day 3. That's a shit fringe case to have.

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Also, the only way I think we can consider not shooting you tonight is if you swear not to protect Maraca. Even then I'm not sure.

I'd rather 33/33/33 you/MC/TIP, but I could 50/50 you/TIP

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Is there anything town still needs to do, or are we free to hammer?

Stop being fucking worthless and read the conversation we're having.

Or are you going to derphammer again to cut it off.

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ggwp I see that Cabd already went with the scoop.

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ftr no the scum communications are being made public.

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none of the scum communications are being made public*

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AP's still on break. I haven't been able to flag him down.

I'm getting close to a break myself. This game was fun, though. Playing on my back foot the entire time was good practice.